My Pre-Season Top 25

[Matthew328]

Lets see how bad it is this year


1. Liberty Hill
2. Celina
3. Giddings
4. Texarkana Liberty-Eylau
5. Royse City
6. Cuero
7. Gilmer
8. Snyder
9. Robinson
10. Wimberley
11. West Orange-Stark
12. Carthage
13. Kennedale
14. Kirbyville
15. Abilene Wylie
16. Decatur
17. Graham
18. Coldspring
19. Crockett
20. Pleasanton
21. Midland Greenwood
22. Port Isabel
23. Silsbee
24. Waco LaVega
25. Needville

[Cameron Crazy]

Wimberly should be top5

[Adidas410s]

looks good Matt!!! :thumbsup:

[charlesrixey]

i like it, especially the top 3

although it is interesting that Graham is gone and Coldspring is up there

know something we don't matt?

:p

[buff4life]

Originally posted by Cameron Crazy
Wimberly should be top5

they lost alot...they have to prove themselves....

[District303aPastPlayer]

thank God we aren't up there...

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by charlesrixey
Coldspring is up there :eek:

Seriously?

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer
thank God we aren't up there...

Why would we be up there? Seriously? I think Matt has a good pulse on these things.

Looking good, but I agree with everyone else ----- Coldspring? :thinking:

[crzyjournalist03]

someone who has some time on their hands should find last year's preseason top 25 and compare it with the final top 25...I'd like to see how close he was!

[lion75]

You must not know much about them. Most have them in the 11 to 12 range. There are teams on your list that can't handle Vernon. Twice in the last 4 years they have taken teams ranked below 50 to the semi's, so where's the love?

[Fotbol]

Waco La Vega will surprised!

[Z motion 10 out on 2]

I agree with Lion75. Vernon has a lot of returners and have proven over the recent past that they have a good team year in and year out. Why are they not in there Matt? Just curious.

[Cameron Crazy]

I think vernon should be a good one this year, can't wait to see the matchup this year.

[charlesrixey]

pretty much that entire district (IP, Vernon, Graham, etc) is top 50 material

although 15-35 are really quite interchangeable, so i could see where one could argue against having Vernon in the top25

[Matthew328]

I liked Vernon last year, but I am a little concerned about depth especially at the skill poisitions..

Coldspring is more of a hunch pick than anything else..

My top 25 pre-season last year SUCKED!!! It was a rough year.....I think this year there's 5 or 6 teams that are really easy to place and then a group of 35 or so teams who could make legit cases for top 25

[charlesrixey]

Originally posted by Matthew328
I think this year there's 5 or 6 teams that are really easy to place and then a group of 35 or so teams who could make legit cases for top 25

yep

pretty much anyone can put up LH, celina, Giddings, RC, Gilmer and TLE up there

it's the others that most of the debate in the coming weeks will be centered on

can't wait for the season to start

[lion75]

Vernon's QB is one of those 11 players that has accepted a scholarship (nonbinding) to North Texas from Todd Dodge. Their tailback Ray Daniels was stuck behind Aston Whiteside last year and is considered a D1 prospect as well. He is an outstanding athlete that I saw two handed dunk vs. Abilie Wylie in the bball playoffs. No one knows about him yet except for some college recruiters. Last years JV QB is supposed to be good also and I can tell you that Vernon will always have people in line to play tailback.

[Matthew328]

Vernon's QB Darien Williams was also their best DB last year....but he didn't have the added responsibility of playing QB and Daniels will likely have to go both ways if I'm not mistaken....

Those guys were one way players last year.....thats what I mean when I refer to a lack of depth...typically your big time elite 3A schools have very few guys going both ways full time....its just a hunch but late in the season that may come back to bite Vernon

[lion75]

You could be right. I am impressed with your knowledge of our team. However, it should be noted that we went to the semi's last year with a running back that played both ways the entire season and a QB that played both ways most of the time, especially in critical situations.

[Matthew328]

Whiteside was a special player...but if I'm not mistaken he split carries much of the time also with Daniels.....now the load is all on Daniels....last years QB Miller I think was his name was only a spot defensive player....also don't discount losing guys like Coryan Briggs and Chase Graf....Vernon had some good depth at the skill spots last year which I felt was key in their run....once Vernon got things rolling in the playoffs their depth in the second half of games was key...

[piratebg]

Ingleside?

[Matthew328]

I'm not sold on Ingleside....Robinson made them their girlfriend in the semi-finals and that showed the gap is still as wide as the Grand Canyon for them to compete with the big boys....I think Pleasanton with their QB Salinas back will overtake Ingleside this year....and then they'll likley endure the same fate Ingleside did in the semi-finals

[Blastoderm55]

If Port Isabel is on the list, Ingleside should be as well. They return a lot and had a couple of off-season transfers that should make them even stronger.

[lion75]

I am hearing that Craig Whiteside, who started at DE as a soph. last year, is a beast that's taking Aston's place at fullback. Our kicker should be all-state. We have 3 excellent recievers in Weitner, David, and Plyler. Last years JV QB would have been on varsity as a soph. but they had already moved up several sophs and did not want to gut the JV. Many people in Vernon think he is a better pure QB than Williams.

[JuicE68]

decatur at 17??

[JuicE68]

im sorry, at 16??

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
someone who has some time on their hands should find last year's preseason top 25 and compare it with the final top 25...I'd like to see how close he was!
2006 Pre-season Top 25 (http://bbs.3adownlow.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=47079)

1. Gilmer lost 1st round
2. Cuero lost 3rd round
3. West Orange-Stark lost 2nd round
4. Texarkana Liberty-Eylau DI State Champs
5. Hutto lost 1st round
6. Wimberley lost 4th round
7. Cameron Yoe lost 1st round
8. Dallas Madison lost 2nd round
9. Bellville lost 1st round
10. Sweetwater lost 2nd round
11. Palestine lost 2nd round
12. Snyder lost 3rd round
13. Giddings lost 4th round
14. Abilene Wylie lost 2nd round
15. Celina lost final
16. Kennedale lost 2nd round
17. West Columbia lost 3rd round
18. Rusk lost 2nd round
19. Van Uhm......
20. Carthage Uhm.....
21. Sinton lost 1st round
22. Brownsboro lost 4th round
23. Monahans lost 2nd round
24. Canyon lost 4th round
25. Waco Connally Uhm.....

Sorry, crzy, not sure how you'd go about ranking them. Interesting rankings this year, Matthew. Hopefully you're dead on. :)

[lion75]

Vernon's off. coordinator Bateman lives 23 miles from Vernon in Electra and his son was the QB in Electra for the last 3 years. Coach Bateman had enjoyed success as Electra's head coach in the past and chose to continue living there so his son had to play there. For the last three years Vernon has allowed their Offensive Coordinator to be absent from their varsity games so he could watch his son play. After his son's season was over, Vernon went on a tear in the playoffs, partly because they actually had there OC at the games. The last time he was at all of the games was when his son was a freeshman and Vernon went to the semifnals and lost a tough game to Atlanta. This year we will have him all year again.

[Matthew328]

Thats true I forgot about that little nugget...

[Ingleside Fan]

Originally posted by Matthew328
Lets see how bad it is this year


1. Liberty Hill
2. Celina
3. Giddings
4. Texarkana Liberty-Eylau
5. Royse City
6. Cuero
7. Gilmer
8. Snyder
9. Robinson
10. Wimberley
11. West Orange-Stark
12. Carthage
13. Kennedale
14. Kirbyville
15. Abilene Wylie
16. Decatur
17. Graham
18. Coldspring
19. Crockett
20. Pleasanton
21. Midland Greenwood
22. Port Isabel
23. Silsbee
24. Waco LaVega
25. Needville



Region 1 = 5
Region 2 = 5
Region 3 = 11
Region 4 = 4

You favor region 3 alot. With these odds the next Champion should come from region 3.

:thinking:

[Matthew328]

Year in year out Region 3 along with Region 2 are the deepest regions.....with East Texas not being as deep as it used to be Region 3 is by far the deepest region in the state and its not even close

[Z motion 10 out on 2]

Thanks for the insight Matt. Can't wait to get into that 1st week now.

BTW: My daughter is a senior this year!!!!

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
2006 Pre-season Top 25 (http://bbs.3adownlow.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=47079)

1. Gilmer lost 1st round
2. Cuero lost 3rd round
3. West Orange-Stark lost 2nd round
4. Texarkana Liberty-Eylau DI State Champs
5. Hutto lost 1st round
6. Wimberley lost 4th round
7. Cameron Yoe lost 1st round
8. Dallas Madison lost 2nd round
9. Bellville lost 1st round
10. Sweetwater lost 2nd round
11. Palestine lost 2nd round
12. Snyder lost 3rd round
13. Giddings lost 4th round
14. Abilene Wylie lost 2nd round
15. Celina lost final
16. Kennedale lost 2nd round
17. West Columbia lost 3rd round
18. Rusk lost 2nd round
19. Van Uhm......
20. Carthage Uhm.....
21. Sinton lost 1st round
22. Brownsboro lost 4th round
23. Monahans lost 2nd round
24. Canyon lost 4th round
25. Waco Connally Uhm.....

Sorry, crzy, not sure how you'd go about ranking them. Interesting rankings this year, Matthew. Hopefully you're dead on. :)

wow...thanks for all that work! so I guess we have to assume that there will be a lot of movement as the season goes on!

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
wow...thanks for all that work! so I guess we have to assume that there will be a lot of movement as the season goes on!
No problem. Personally, I think he's closer this year than last. ;)

[crzyjournalist03]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
No problem. Personally, I think he's closer this year than last. ;)

1-25 or just 1???? :D :D :D

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by Ingleside Fan
Region 1 = 5
Region 2 = 5
Region 3 = 11
Region 4 = 4

You favor region 3 alot. With these odds the next Champion should come from region 3.

:thinking:

Not necessarily. It means that the III is the most competitive with the largest number of good teams. The best can still come from another region. However, IMHO those III teams are all bears. Region II this year is up for grabs some. Celina will be in the mix and our District would be one of the tougher districts this year with Prosper and Pilot Point looking to be better than last year and Frisco Wakeland is a sleeper since this year they will have seniors on the team for the first time. Could be a tough year in 9 3a.

[Matthew328]

Dont count Bonham out...new coach who is a Slot T guru!

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
1-25 or just 1???? :D :D :D
Uhm.....well, how's this? Definitely several.....for sure 1. ;)







I mean he can't possibly get 5 one and dones and 3 "uhms" again, can he? ;)



Sorry 328.....J/K with you. :kiss: :kiss: Seriously, overall this year looks better than last.

[crabman]

Cuero is 15-20 spots too high. Way, way too many losses from last year plus no proven quarterback.

Coaching will only take you so far.

[IHStangFan]

I agree w/ 95 % of it, I like where you have WOS, but Port Isabel and no Ingleside? That makes me chuckle.

[NewYorkYankee]

What was the score the last time you played Port Isabel..wasnt it 35(PI) to 25(INGLESIDE) now that makes ME chuckle...LOl

[IHStangFan]

Originally posted by NewYorkYankee
What was the score the last time you played Port Isabel..wasnt it 35(PI) to 25(INGLESIDE) now that makes ME chuckle...LOl How many rounds deep did Port Isabel go in the playoffs last year? Ingleside would have trounced PI last year. YOU make me chuckle. PI = Valley team, Valley team = decent speed sometimes, but always undersized. They knock off an "Ingleside" from time to time, but anytime they go north of Corpus or East of Rockport they get demolished. FACT.

[NewYorkYankee]

Poor guy,guess he's still bitter we beat them....you wanna talk about facts buddy....

Playoff Record: 37-28-3
District Championships: 23
Bi-District Championships: 11
Regional Championships: 7
Qtr-Final Championships: 6
Semi-Final Championship: 3

FACT!

PI 35 Ingleside 25-FACT

Matthew328's Pre-season top 25

22.Port Isabel
Ingleside-who knows
FACT!

The only thing most ppl knew about Ingleside was that they are usually Sintons Doormat...FACT!!

Lol you have one decent season and you think your teams gods gift to the world..LMAO..
Your cowbell avatar has a better chance of making noise than your team does......FACT!

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Originally posted by NewYorkYankee
Poor guy,guess he's still bitter we beat them....you wanna talk about facts buddy....

Playoff Record: 37-28-3
District Championships: 23
Bi-District Championships: 11
Regional Championships: 7
Qtr-Final Championships: 6
Semi-Final Championship: 3

FACT!

PI 35 Ingleside 25-FACT

Matthew328's Pre-season top 25

22.Port Isabel
Ingleside-who knows
FACT!

The only thing most ppl knew about Ingleside was that they are usually Sintons Doormat...FACT!!

Lol you have one decent season and you think your teams gods gift to the world..LMAO..
Your cowbell avatar has a better chance of making noise than your team does......FACT! :D few more weeks to football and it really heats up:)

[99IHSMustang]

Originally posted by NewYorkYankee
Poor guy,guess he's still bitter we beat them....you wanna talk about facts buddy....

Playoff Record: 37-28-3
District Championships: 23
Bi-District Championships: 11
Regional Championships: 7
Qtr-Final Championships: 6
Semi-Final Championship: 3

FACT!

PI 35 Ingleside 25-FACT

Matthew328's Pre-season top 25

22.Port Isabel
Ingleside-who knows
FACT!

The only thing most ppl knew about Ingleside was that they are usually Sintons Doormat...FACT!!

Lol you have one decent season and you think your teams gods gift to the world..LMAO..
Your cowbell avatar has a better chance of making noise than your team does......FACT!


1. I am pretty sure Ingleside has had more than one decent season in a row. Which has been from 2004-2006 and this year is anyones guess.

2. The score you are referring to is from 2004... 2 years ago. what does that have to do with this coming season?

3. Sinton has had outstanding players and coaches for the last 6 or 7 years in a row.... Many, many teams have been Sinton's doormat. I don't think that PI has had a team like Sinton in there district and if they did, PI would appear to be a doormat as well.

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Originally posted by IHStangFan
They knock off an "Ingleside" from time to time, but anytime they go north of Corpus or East of Rockport they get demolished. FACT.

Now as far as 5A teams in the RGV are concerned, that statement is pretty much dead on.

However, Port Isabel is an exception to that norm. Let me give you some prior examples that I can think of off the top of my head.

2003 - Port Isabel 35, Liberty Hill 27 (a CenTex team)
1994 - Port Isabel 24, Bandera 11 (a San Antonio area team)
2002 - Bandera 27, Port Isabel 24 (Bandera eventual Div 2 State Champs)
2004 - Hallettsville 10, Port Isabel 0 (another team north of Corpus Christi...I don't see PI getting "demolished")

And the Coup de Grace....

1994 - Port Isabel 20, Cuero 20 (Cuero was #1 all season long, PI comes and does the "unthinkable")

So, my friend, you ARE right in that statement for the most part, however, when it comes to Port Isabel, it doesn't apply. PI WILL compete, fortunately most people don't think so, which is fine by us. We'll just come and shock people.

[crzyjournalist03]

Ahh, I love the sound of rivalries reborn!

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Originally posted by crzyjournalist03
Ahh, I love the sound of rivalries reborn!

Ain't it great? :D

[IHStangFan]

Originally posted by TarponFanInNorthTexas
Now as far as 5A teams in the RGV are concerned, that statement is pretty much dead on.

However, Port Isabel is an exception to that norm. Let me give you some prior examples that I can think of off the top of my head.

2003 - Port Isabel 35, Liberty Hill 27 (a CenTex team)
1994 - Port Isabel 24, Bandera 11 (a San Antonio area team)
2002 - Bandera 27, Port Isabel 24 (Bandera eventual Div 2 State Champs)
2004 - Hallettsville 10, Port Isabel 0 (another team north of Corpus Christi...I don't see PI getting "demolished")

And the Coup de Grace....

1994 - Port Isabel 20, Cuero 20 (Cuero was #1 all season long, PI comes and does the "unthinkable")

So, my friend, you ARE right in that statement for the most part, however, when it comes to Port Isabel, it doesn't apply. PI WILL compete, fortunately most people don't think so, which is fine by us. We'll just come and shock people. I'll give you that, PI is more successful than any other team out of the valley. Two points though....1. the last thing PI fans have to "brag" about happened in 2004 when they beat a very young Ingleside team that was marginally above average at best. 2. Thank you for posting your playoff record/appearances, it helps solidify my point. Your road to the playoffs is weak. Who do you have to go through to win a district title and secure a playoff spot...virtually nobody. Whereas Ingleside has to content w/ Sinton, the Mathis and Aransas Pass team sof the late 90s. Just curious, how many state title games has PI played in? Ingleside has played in 2 that I know of.

Also, just curious about your 1994 Cuero statement...IF Cuero was ranked #1 that year all year long (granted they did play in the state title game the year before, but lost) , it just goes to show how rankings are usually complete crap considering Sealy went on from that year to win 4 state titles in a row from 94 to 97. Where were they ranked during the year?

To wrap it up, I'll just say, PI is a good program, and definately dominates the valley. It is good that PI has such a fanbase and diehard supporters. I applaud that. My point is, playoff appearances alone do not put you in the same class as teams that have won multiple state titles. Playoff appearances mean jack squat. Which team was it last year that was 2-8 and made the playoffs out of the valley? Meanwhile my Needville Blue Jays were 7-3 and didn't make the playoffs...says a little about the gap in the compitition level of the districts, and THAT is my overall point. With that said, I've been a bit long winded here. I'd like to wish PI good luck on their upcoming season, and I hope Ingleside and PI get a chance to meet up again soon.

[IHStangFan]

Originally posted by NewYorkYankee
Poor guy,guess he's still bitter we beat them....you wanna talk about facts buddy....

Playoff Record: 37-28-3
District Championships: 23
Bi-District Championships: 11
Regional Championships: 7
Qtr-Final Championships: 6
Semi-Final Championship: 3

FACT!

PI 35 Ingleside 25-FACT

Matthew328's Pre-season top 25

22.Port Isabel
Ingleside-who knows
FACT!

The only thing most ppl knew about Ingleside was that they are usually Sintons Doormat...FACT!!

Lol you have one decent season and you think your teams gods gift to the world..LMAO..
Your cowbell avatar has a better chance of making noise than your team does......FACT! My reply above adresses the majority of your post here, this is in response to your "Mathew328's Pre-season top 25 PI 22 Ingleside who knows comment....Like it means a whole lot....

How about Dave Campbell's 3A Top 25?? Ingleside #9, PI not on the list? :D

We can throw around lists and top 25s all day long, but in the end they don't mean much.

[footballgal]

This is sooo cool, finally some football and football smack talk! :D

Oh yeah AND ... GO TARPONS GO!

[IHStangFan]

Originally posted by footballgal
This is sooo cool, finally some football and football smack talk! :D

Oh yeah AND ... GO TARPONS GO! hey footballgal! you know thats right!! Are you as excited as I am about football getting ready to start?? I try to watch other sports to get me through the year, and honestly, I just have a hard time getting into anything other than football!! Good Luck to the Tarpons this year, and I hope we see yall in the playoffs! ;)

[footballgal]

I can't wait ... I am so pathetic, I am even counting down to the scrimmages! :D I wish your 'Stangs, the best this season too. I don't know if we'll meet again, with the Div I & II thing, but hey you never know. :)

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by footballgal
I can't wait ... I am so pathetic, I am even counting down to the scrimmages! :D
I don't think you're the only one. :D

[Johnny 5]

Cuero is too high . . . way too high.

RH is not on there despite returning most of the team that held Cuero to the lowest score they had last season . . . and the team that lost to PI by one touhdown.

PI lost to OG by 6(?)in a low scoring game, while RH lost to Cuero (ranked high top 10 at the time) by only 14.

RH should be on there . . . the only competition that PI will have this year in district?

RH has a transfer RB that is a monster (1200 yards last year) of a sophomore. The QB was the All RGV Newcomer of the year last year. He comes from QB stock, but is an excellent player wherever he is placed. He will be throwing to an all state reciever and a few others that all had over 100 yards receiving last year.

The D-Line is bigger and faster (last year was slow. The LB had to help the D Line). There is more diversity in the LB spots . . . and the DB's are all returning.

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Yeah, no doubt Rio Hondo is going to be making some noise too.

[footballgal]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
I don't think you're the only one. :D

Opps! :D


Originally posted by TarponFanInNorthTexas
Yeah, no doubt Rio Hondo is going to be making some noise too. +1



Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't La Feria give the Mustangs a good game last year in the play-offs? and they came out 3rd in our district.

[Johnny 5]

Originally posted by footballgal
Opps! :D

+1



Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't La Feria give the Mustangs a good game last year in the play-offs? and they came out 3rd in our district.

Yes indeed they did.

[Bull Butter]

I agree that Ingleside should be in the top 25. They have a good team with lots of talent returning. However, so does Port Isabel.

Just because Ingleside was left off the list (I didnt make the list, Matthew did so you'll have to ask him)is no reason to put down the Tarpons program and their accomplishments. They've shown year after year that they can hang with out-of-the-valley teams. Being from the RGV, teams tend to be forgotten in pre-season forecasts. It's nice that someone notices Port Isabel and the quality program that Coach Stumbaugh runs.:)

[Johnny 5]

Originally posted by Bull Butter
I agree that Ingleside should be in the top 25. They have a good team with lots of talent returning. However, so does Port Isabel.

Just because Ingleside was left off the list (I didnt make the list, Matthew did so you'll have to ask him)is no reason to put down the Tarpons program and their accomplishments. They've shown year after year that they can hang with out-of-the-valley teams. Being from the RGV, teams tend to be forgotten in pre-season forecasts. It's nice that someone notices Port Isabel and the quality program that Coach Stumbaugh runs.:)

If PI is there, Ingleside and RH should be up there as well

[Bull Butter]

Originally posted by IHStangFan


Which team was it last year that was 2-8 and made the playoffs out of the valley?.

Hmmmmmmmm let's see.........
Port Isabel 8-2 (32-AAA)
Rio Hondo 9-1(32-AAA)
La Feria 6-3 (32-AAA)
Raymondville 7-3 (31-AAA)
Lyford 5-5(31-AAA)


I don't see any 2-8 teams in that group, Do you?

[Blastoderm55]

Originally posted by Bull Butter
Hmmmmmmmm let's see.........
Port Isabel 8-2 (32-AAA)
Rio Hondo 9-1(32-AAA)
La Feria 6-3 (32-AAA)
Raymondville 7-3 (31-AAA)
Lyford 5-5(31-AAA)


I don't see any 2-8 teams in that group, Do you?

Might be talking about one of the 5As. Maybe from the Laredo district. Very likely given they take four teams. Doesn't correlate much to the issue at hand, which is about 3A teams, though.

[HEMOTOXIC]

Coldspring? Bellville or Madisonville gets my vote over Coldspring. But hey, we shall see.

[Mustangpride09]

Originally posted by NewYorkYankee
Your cowbell avatar has a better chance of making noise than your team does......FACT!

That has to be the best comeback ive seen on this site.

[footballgal]

yeah, that was actually funny. :)