Only OU? Not quite

[Emerson1]

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/10255471

Top 10 cheating programs.

[sinton66]

The state of Texas, football and rules violations go together like ham, egg and cheese.

Way to win friends and influence people, moron.

[carter08]

At least Alabama goes all out when they cheat.

RTR!

[burnet44]

Originally posted by sinton66
Way to win friends and influence people, moron.

lol as always

8. Texas A&M. The state of Texas, football and rules violations go together like ham, egg and cheese. Might deserve a higher slot, but the Aggies' cheat-to-win ratio is low. In other words, it hasn't been money well spent.

TAMU would seem not to get more bang for their buck.


no one cheated like Barry
Bear did too
bear didnt get as many gun toters

I figured it would be

1. Blow U
2. Miami
3. Bama
4. FSU
5. SC
6. Delaware
7. Florida
8. Ohio State
9. Nebraska
10. Colorado


The ags dont make my list cuz they dont cheat very well
tech dont win with the cheating they do
Texas would but they get more for their money
TCU did but still didnt win big
baylor has in basketball so that dont count


SMU would be there but SMU aint even in the mix
they are almost D2 after the death
and yes it did kill em, but really it would not have mattered
Church schools historically cant compete except ND and they are having problems

[3afan]

Deleware?

[lepfan]

Apparently some are better at hiding it than others!!!

[burnet44]

and winning

[Fal44]

at leas texas-pan american is mentioned :)

[burnet44]

yeah thats a program that needs to be probated

Death to Pan Am

If we dont stomp this stuff out
next thing you know Texas A&M International University
will be cheating

[lepfan]

There is a level of cheating going on at ALL of them. Some just choose to wear their rose colored glasses and say "oh no, not my child....they would never do that". :rolleyes:

[burnet44]

lol no kidding
Im waiting for UNT to offer mine anything

[CalallenWildcat]

Originally posted by burnet44
Church schools historically cant compete except ND and they are having problems

That's why USC has so many problems, right? For your information, SMU and USC both have historical ties to the Methodist Church. Both are now nonsecular in their teaching, though the church still exerts some limited decision-making ability.

Other "church schools" with successful sports programs include:

Duke (Methodist)
Northwestern (Methodist)
Georgetown (Catholic)
Boston College (Catholic)

and that's just a short list.

The Death Penalty did hurt SMU, as did the restrictions put in place by A. Kenneth Pye. Those have just recently been lifted, and SMU's program is on the rise again.

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by lepfan
There is a level of cheating going on at ALL of them. Some just choose to wear their rose colored glasses and say "oh no, not my child....they would never do that". :rolleyes: But officer, I wasn't the only one speeding...

[burnet44]

Originally posted by CalallenWildcat
That's why USC has so many problems, right? For your information, SMU and USC both have historical ties to the Methodist Church. Both are now nonsecular in their teaching, though the church still exerts some limited decision-making ability.

Other "church schools" with successful sports programs include:

Duke (Methodist)
Northwestern (Methodist)
Georgetown (Catholic)
Boston College (Catholic)

and that's just a short list.

The Death Penalty did hurt SMU, as did the restrictions put in place by A. Kenneth Pye. Those have just recently been lifted, and SMU's program is on the rise again.

I was speaking about funding
Duke plays basketball-less money needed
NW-another fb power
GT-1-AA?
BC-decent but not a power

I was speaking about big-time college fb programs
killing SMU the NCAA was trying to say
"ok clean it up or you will be SMU"
the universities laughed
no big time university is really afraid of getting the death penalty
too much money involved
sure, takes some ships, take a bowl away
look like we are doing something
reality-wont happen
look at Blow U's history and SMU's
who deserves the death penalty?
plus the big time schools in the SWC were mad at SMU for getting Dickerson and James
the NCAA figured we cant have that
we are losing money by them going there
we need kids like that in the big time schools
helps TV ratings makes us more money
granted SMU kept on
like giving money to David Stanley
but if you dont think there was a concentrated effort between
TU-TAMUCS-Blow U- and other big time programs and the NCAA to get SMU your are very naive
and dont think the NCAA didnt know what they were doing ethier

[lepfan]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
But officer, I wasn't the only one speeding... Not only....

I think some have the feeling that it is just 'a little lie' so it is ok when in reality a lie is a lie and a cheat is a cheat....

[Phil C]

Originally posted by CalallenWildcat
That's why USC has so many problems, right? For your information, SMU and USC both have historical ties to the Methodist Church. Both are now nonsecular in their teaching, though the church still exerts some limited decision-making ability.

Other "church schools" with successful sports programs include:

Duke (Methodist)
Northwestern (Methodist)
Georgetown (Catholic)
Boston College (Catholic)

and that's just a short list.

The Death Penalty did hurt SMU, as did the restrictions put in place by A. Kenneth Pye. Those have just recently been lifted, and SMU's program is on the rise again.

Calallen I admire the Methodist Church.

[Phil C]

Calallen I admire the Catholic Church.

[Phil C]

Calallen Baylor is affiliated with the Baptist Church.

Calallen I admire the Baptist Church.

[CalallenWildcat]

Originally posted by burnet44
I was speaking about funding
Duke plays basketball-less money needed
NW-another fb power
GT-1-AA?
BC-decent but not a power

I was speaking about big-time college fb programs
killing SMU the NCAA was trying to say
"ok clean it up or you will be SMU"
the universities laughed
no big time university is really afraid of getting the death penalty
too much money involved
sure, takes some ships, take a bowl away
look like we are doing something
reality-wont happen
look at Blow U's history and SMU's
who deserves the death penalty?
plus the big time schools in the SWC were mad at SMU for getting Dickerson and James
the NCAA figured we cant have that
we are losing money by them going there
we need kids like that in the big time schools
helps TV ratings makes us more money
granted SMU kept on
like giving money to David Stanley
but if you dont think there was a concentrated effort between
TU-TAMUCS-Blow U- and other big time programs and the NCAA to get SMU your are very naive
and dont think the NCAA didnt know what they were doing ethier

GT is a basketball power
TCU another Church-affiliated school having success

OU definetely deserved the DP during the Switzer era...not as much now...but one could certainly argue that they deserved it when SMU got it.
Obviously the NCAA has always favored the big-time football programs (case in point: the BCS)

but the death penalty wasn't the only thing that led to SMU's demise...the subsequent restrictions put on the football program by President Pye prolonged the effects of the death penalty. Those were just recently lifted and the program is just now starting to have success again.

Look at two schools that are quite similar (other than in athletic success): USC and SMU. The reason why USC has had a higher degree of athletic success is that they have never had a president who was not friendly in policies toward athletics.

Pye put in Ivy League-style restrictions at SMU. That hurt SMU just as bad or worse than the death penalty.

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by Phil C
Calallen Baylor is affiliated with the Baptist Church.

Calallen I admire the Baptist Church. Unfortunately Baylor is a Baptist school in name only now.:(

[burnet44]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
Unfortunately Baylor is a Baptist school in name only now.:(

not so
they drink AND dance there
true baptists

not fake ones

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by burnet44
not so
they drink AND dance there
true baptists

not fake ones Being a true Baptist has NOTHING to do with drinking or dancing. It has to do with putting the principles held in the Bible into practice administratively on down.