Best RB in 3A this year [Archive]

Gobbla2001

07-08-2007, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by eagles_victory
not to take away from the kid because it sounds like he had a great sophmore year but if you break down the numbers in 16 games he is averaging less then 100 yards a game and under 2 touchdowns a game i dont think thats best in 3a numbers

as a sophmore, plays for a team that is not a one man show EVER, those are great numbers and that is a great running back... just think, 6 of those games were played in the playoffs, where the competition is supposed to be higher...

as a sophmore you sometimes don't even get the majority of your playing time til a few games in anyway...

DU_stud04

07-08-2007, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by charlesrixey
Yes

I believe he had 25 TD's in the regular season nvm...just read. :D

charlesrixey

07-08-2007, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by eagles_victory
not to take away from the kid because it sounds like he had a great sophmore year but if you break down the numbers in 16 games he is averaging less then 100 yards a game and under 2 touchdowns a game i dont think thats best in 3a numbers

As a junior, and being the featured back (despite still splitting carries like he did last year, only about 60% of them in '06) he should be rocking and rolling this year

setxsports

07-08-2007, 05:23 PM

Garrett..WOS

charlesrixey

07-08-2007, 05:38 PM

if you wanted to talk numbers, then calhoun would be out

fitzhenry may be the top rusher in that sense

bobcat1

07-08-2007, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by eagles_victory
not to take away from the kid because it sounds like he had a great sophmore year but if you break down the numbers in 16 games he is averaging less then 100 yards a game and under 2 touchdowns a game I dont think thats best in 3a numbers

As Gobbla said. Not a one man show. A great back no doubt. If he was a one man show, he would have had astronomical numbers. Let's see what he does this year. We will have D'Anton Lynn healthy all year this year I bet.

Snydertigersrul

07-08-2007, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by carter08
Can you name me just 1 player who doesn't play for Snyder?

Andy Rivera at Ira

thewyliefan

07-08-2007, 06:22 PM

i have a question. who is it looking like is going to be the RB for sweetwater next year, anyone know?

mustang04

07-08-2007, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by thewyliefan
i have a question. who is it looking like is going to be the RB for sweetwater next year, anyone know?

me:D

DU_stud04

07-08-2007, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by mustang04
me:D if you're the new running back, then im starting over holsey at the qb position :D

jlivey7

07-08-2007, 09:02 PM

How about the kid from Gilmer or Lamichael James from Texarkana LE

Txbroadcaster

07-08-2007, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by jlivey7
How about the kid from Gilmer or Lamichael James from Texarkana LE

Justin Johnson from Gilmer might be the most complete package..can catch well out of the backfield is a good blocker and great runner..problem is...he might be a better LB

burnet44

07-08-2007, 09:27 PM

at a glance
Fitzhenry Giddings 2900
Whakey Madisonville 2130
Allman LH 1930
Waldrep Celina 1836
Wilkerson Needville 1725
Calhoun Van 1610
James LE 1600
Davis Lake Worth 1600
Rhodes Kirbyville 1526
Salinas Pleasanton 1378
Garrett WOS 1327
Thompson Castleberry 1286
Mogavero 1283
Dickey Llano 1270
Clay Snyder 1260
JHohnson Gilmer 1100

Also From Robinson spliting time
Alford 1000

footballgal

07-09-2007, 10:51 AM

Port Isabel Tarpons duo,

Sr. - Nolan Nunez 5'9" - 165 - 4.4
Jr. - Diego Garcia 6'0" - 175- 4.4

LH Panther Mom

07-09-2007, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by burnet44

Allman LH 1930

Not too shabby for someone who split with 3 other starters. :)

kaorder1999

07-09-2007, 10:58 AM

Calhoun was amazing last year. Keep in mind his stats are from 10 games only

JuicE68

07-09-2007, 02:54 PM

J TRANT of Decatur

pirate4state

07-09-2007, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by JuicE68
J TRANT of Decatur

I'm pretty sure he posts on the downlow :thinking:

DUKE22

07-09-2007, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
Will Clay, Snyder Will has the physical ability to be very very good. He needs to improve on several areas such as making a cut in the hole and catching the ball out of the backfield. He is blessed with the size and speed that big time schools look at. He is not the best back in the state, but he could be if he decides to do what it takes to get better.

IHStangFan

07-09-2007, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by footballgal
Port Isabel Tarpons duo,

Sr. - Nolan Nunez 5'9" - 165 - 4.4
Jr. - Diego Garcia 6'0" - 175- 4.4 if they are true 4.4 speed...that is impressive...the thing that I always notice about "good backs" from PI and the surrounding areas is that they are small....165 & 175, they BETTER be fast, LOL.

bobcat1

07-09-2007, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Not too shabby for someone who split with 3 other starters. :)
He's a load for sure. Hope we get another crack at him. I bet you do too cause that could mean only one thing!;) :D

footballgal

07-09-2007, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by IHStangFan
if they are true 4.4 speed...that is impressive...the thing that I always notice about "good backs" from PI and the surrounding areas is that they are small....165 & 175, they BETTER be fast, LOL.

Actually, those stats are from last year's preseason, Diego who was only a soph last year, was at 6". I haven't seen him lately, but I heard he has put on some weight. As for Nolan Nunez, IMO, most of that weight is in his lower body, where it counts - because he has some big running legs, on him. :) And your right, PI has had some small backs 5'6” – 5’ 8” backs and yes they are normally fast. Johnny “Nitro” Nieto was a small back too, but he had some power and moves, despite his size. It was amazing how he could drag guys twice his size, with him. The most recent back, which had about the same size as Diego and Nolan’s speed, was Misael “Missile” Iracheta, who Diego reminds me alot of. Then we have another promising back in soph, Joe Vega, he’s another above normal PIs backs. So this years edition of backs, IMO, will be a little above our normal traditional backs, and with speed. I look forward to watching them play. Also, the small back around 5’6” would be, last seasons back up QB, Clemente Valdez. He is blazing fast, and with him, yeah he better be fast, cuz he looks tiny out there.

So in high school /3A, you think a 165 &175, 6' backs are small? How big are your backs?

Hey Bull Butter, is Joey Alvarez playing RB this year and did I miss anyone, as far as running backs?

IHStangFan

07-09-2007, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by footballgal
Actually, those stats are from last year's preseason, Diego who was only a soph last year, was at 6". I haven't seen him lately, but I heard he has put on some weight. As for Nolan Nunez, IMO, most of that weight is in his lower body, where it counts - because he has some big running legs, on him. :) And your right, PI has had some small backs 5'6” – 5’ 8” backs and yes they are normally fast. Johnny “Nitro” Nieto was a small back too, but he had some power and moves, despite his size. It was amazing how he could drag guys twice his size, with him. The most recent back, which had about the same size as Diego and Nolan’s speed, was Misael “Missile” Iracheta, who Diego reminds me alot of. Then we have another promising back in soph, Joe Vega, he’s another above normal PIs backs. So this years edition of backs, IMO, will be a little above our normal traditional backs, and with speed. I look forward to watching them play. Also, the small back around 5’6” would be, last seasons back up QB, Clemente Valdez. He is blazing fast, and with him, yeah he better be fast, cuz he looks tiny out there.

So in high school /3A, you think a 165 &175, 6' backs are small? How big are your backs?

Hey Bull Butter, is Joey Alvarez playing RB this year and did I miss anyone, as far as running backs? well Thaddeus Wilkerson ...he goes 5'11 and 206 for Needville. I'm not saying because of this Needville is state bound or anything, but seriously...take a look at your Liberty Hills, Gilmers, Giddings and traditional powerhouses of the Texas HS football world...I'll bet you 9 times out of 10 their backs aren't 165lbs. PI is a good program, and by far the best out of the valley, but historically the valley just can't compete (heck Region IV cant for that matter) w/ the size and speed of better teams. And yes, that hurt to admit that, as I'm a Reg. IV alum. but seeing the PIs and the Rio Hondos and the Inglesides, etc. of our Region play, then getting to see other teams outside of our Region play...I can say this with certainty.

bandera7

07-09-2007, 11:00 PM

in general, IHS you are right. But then at the same time Region 4 will often produce the best team...we dont have much depth, that is the problem. But Region 4 always produces a good contender, if not the state champ.

IHStangFan

07-09-2007, 11:07 PM

and just to support my above claim...

Jermie Calhoun, RB Van: 6'0" 205
4.49, benches 250+ and squats 460

Will Clay RB Snyder: 6'2" 205 and runs a 4.6

Josh Trant RB Decatur: 5'11" 190; 4.5

Justin Johnson RB Gilmer: 6'2" 200; 4.6

LaMichael James RB Liberty-Eylau: 5'10" 185; 4.5

Clayton Chaney RB/SS Bellville: 6'0" 185; 4.35

Heck Look at Giddings....

their QB is 5'10" 185 and runs a 4.3 then they have two other kids one at 220 and one at 195, both 4.5 or faster.

basically speed is one thing, but when you have speed AND bone crunching size...its a whole other ball game. I could go on and on listing big, strong, fast RBs, but I'm tired of flipping pages in my Dave Campbell's. LOL.

IHStangFan

07-09-2007, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by bandera7
in general, IHS you are right. But then at the same time Region 4 will often produce the best team...we dont have much depth, that is the problem. But Region 4 always produces a good contender, if not the state champ. you have a good point bandera. I used to preach that year after year due to us getting stomped by Sinton for so many years...but it didnt take a whole lot to figure out why. They always had twice the kids on the sidelines...and that was their gameplan. They were good, but they also had depth. When your 2 way players started to wear out during the 2nd half, Sinton always had fresh jerseys to go into the game, and they'd pull away and not look back....good point man.

burnet44

07-09-2007, 11:22 PM

Robinson

Seth Mogavero 5-8, 180 4.7 191-1300-12 tds
Keenan Alford 5-8, 175 4.4 138-967-13 tds

IHStangFan

07-09-2007, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by burnet44
Robinson

Seth Mogavero 5-8, 180 4.7 191-1300-12 tds
Keenan Alford 5-8, 175 4.4 138-967-13 tds Robinson's QB is what made that team tick. He was amazing.

burnet44

07-09-2007, 11:34 PM

the OL is what did that.
They came around a ton.
Didint hurt that Kitchens, McGee, Lewis, Spicer, Richardson,
were in HNS. No dummies there.

IHStangFan

07-09-2007, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by burnet44
the OL is what did that.
They came around a ton.
Didint hurt that Kitchens, McGee, Lewis, Spicer, Richardson,
were in HNS. No dummies there. yes sir, that team was special indeed

KATS

07-10-2007, 05:57 AM

THE BEST RUNNING BACK IN AAA THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR WILL BE CHRIS WHALEY FROM MADISONVILLE.

6' 03"
220

4.5

THIS KID IS BETTER THAN ADRIAN PETERSON EVER WAS.

g$$

07-10-2007, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by KATS
THE BEST RUNNING BACK IN AAA THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR WILL BE CHRIS WHALEY FROM MADISONVILLE.

6' 03"
220

4.5

THIS KID IS BETTER THAN ADRIAN PETERSON EVER WAS.

Whoa...kid may be good but hold on there fella. AD was recently a 1st round draft pick. Proof is in the pudding, so let it play out. Quite a statement from you...

BTW, Region 4 backs weighing 160ish lbs.? Region 4 may produce 1 solid team every year but it will NEVER produce the quantity of talent in Regions 2 & 3. Depth in #s. It happens every year buddy. Region 4 is not horrible by any means but lacks the #s & demographics of other regions.

Crow22

07-10-2007, 09:05 AM

burnet44

07-10-2007, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by Crow22
I find that harder to believe than Paris Hilton's new "smart" personality.

Paris has a new one?

Rocket Dad

07-10-2007, 06:13 PM

The RB from Madisonville is talented indeed. Seems to run high according to some people in that area. Watch him for development, if he commits to training in the weight room, he could be a name heard across the country. I really like the 2 RB's at Robinson ( homer ) Especially # 18, he had 226 rushing in the State Championship game, think about it, that is quite impressive against a L.E. team that was touted as a run-stopping defense with tons of speed. Charlie W. from Celina is the real deal. James from L.E. is a big play threat. The bruiser from L.H. is a top RB for sure. These are the ones I've seen live, they are solid. P.S.- The other RB at Robinson- Alford, 4.4 forty- 21.96 200- has worked every day this summer in the weight camp. Watch for him.

charlesrixey

07-10-2007, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by Rocket Dad
The RB from Madisonville is talented indeed. Seems to run high according to some people in that area. Watch him for development, if he commits to training in the weight room, he could be a name heard across the country. I really like the 2 RB's at Robinson ( homer ) Especially # 18, he had 226 rushing in the State Championship game, think about it, that is quite impressive against a L.E. team that was touted as a run-stopping defense with tons of speed. Charlie W. from Celina is the real deal. James from L.E. is a big play threat. The bruiser from L.H. is a top RB for sure. These are the ones I've seen live, they are solid. P.S.- The other RB at Robinson- Alford, 4.4 forty- 21.96 200- has worked every day this summer in the weight camp. Watch for him.

it's good to hear from someone who has seen them all!

and i agree about Robinson's two backs--there's a reason they are still top ten material this year!

charlesrixey

07-10-2007, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by burnet44
Paris has a new one?

I didn't know she had one to begin with!

BrahmaDAD70

07-10-2007, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by tigerpride_08
Would Brock Fitzhenry count as a running back...:D

Fitzs runs a ton but he doesnt do in on his own.
His line did a good job also.
The best back in 3A this year will have a supporting
cast.

zebrablue2

07-10-2007, 11:17 PM

I will throw Clayton Chaney from Bellville in the mix. A little blocking will go along way. Won the hurdles in 3a at state
in 2007. Hope he has a good year. He is a super good kid.

Mustangpride09

07-10-2007, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by thewyliefan
i have a question. who is it looking like is going to be the RB for sweetwater next year, anyone know?

Rufus McCann

necks_c/09

07-11-2007, 05:40 AM

Lamichael James-TLE
Justin Johnson-Gilmer

BrahmaDAD70

07-11-2007, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by zebrablue2
I will throw Clayton Chaney from Bellville in the mix. A little blocking will go along way. Won the hurdles in 3a at state
in 2007. Hope he has a good year. He is a super good kid.

Yes I will be getting a real good look at Chaney this year.
My son is finally at the show. He is 6'2 295 Jr. and hopefully
will be able to open many holes for Byron Abbs and Chaney
this and next year. I cant wait til the season starts.

lostaussie

07-11-2007, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by KATS
THE BEST RUNNING BACK IN AAA THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR WILL BE CHRIS WHALEY FROM MADISONVILLE.

6' 03"
220

4.5

THIS KID IS BETTER THAN ADRIAN PETERSON EVER WAS. i thought that is why OU recruited Justin Johnson.............the next Peterson................problem is, when they see him stick a RB, he will be moved to LB. and that is where he will excel.

buff4life

07-11-2007, 08:16 PM

i'm sticking with my town...fitzhenry has speed that is pretty much unmatched...

burnet44

07-11-2007, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by Rocket Dad
The other RB at Robinson- Alford, 4.4 forty- 21.96 200- has worked every day this summer in the weight camp. Watch for him.

good news for us
bad for CS lol
he split them open like a Georgia peach last year
I hope he does well

Mustangpride09

07-12-2007, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by buff4life
i'm sticking with my town...fitzhenry has speed that is pretty much unmatched...

He's the fastest 19 year old still playing high school football.

buff4life

07-12-2007, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by Mustangpride09
He's the fastest 19 year old still playing high school football.

not yet...as of october he will be...but its not illegal just smart

Mustangpride09

07-12-2007, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by buff4life
not yet...as of october he will be...but its not illegal just smart

More like unfair if you ask me.

LH Panther Mom

07-12-2007, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Mustangpride09
More like unfair if you ask me.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

buff4life

07-12-2007, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by Mustangpride09
More like unfair if you ask me.

if it was unfair then they would make it illegal wouldn't they???

but wait..UT doesn't care how old he is he's still gettin a scholarship there...

Mustangpride09

07-12-2007, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by buff4life
if it was unfair then they would make it illegal wouldn't they???

but wait..UT doesn't care how old he is he's still gettin a scholarship there...

Your point? I never said he was a bad player. He's an amazing athlete. But you can't deny an advantage when he's playing against 16 and 17 year olds, 2 years is a big difference.

LH Panther Mom

07-12-2007, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by Mustangpride09
Your point? I never said he was a bad player. He's an amazing athlete. But you can't deny an advantage when he's playing against 16 and 17 year olds, 2 years is a big difference.
Sometimes it is.....sometimes it isn't. He's still 18. My son was 15 when we played them. Your point?

zebrablue2

07-12-2007, 06:26 PM

the big advantage is in 7-8- and 9th grades. many turn 18 during their sr. season. if he was held back a grade, that is why the 19 comes into play as a sr.. heck, I graduated when I was 17, really no advantage at all turning 19 your sr. season.

buff4life

07-13-2007, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by Mustangpride09
Your point? I never said he was a bad player. He's an amazing athlete. But you can't deny an advantage when he's playing against 16 and 17 year olds, 2 years is a big difference.

but you were complaining about him being too old and it being unfair...your right it is an advantage and it was a smart move...

on another note Dock could be a junior this year if he wanted to be..

Mustangpride09

07-13-2007, 03:00 AM

Originally posted by buff4life
but you were complaining about him being too old and it being unfair...your right it is an advantage and it was a smart move...

on another note Dock could be a junior this year if he wanted to be..

Thats because I do think its unfair. That has nothing to do with him going to Texas though, as what you were trying to point out, thats why I asked what your point was.

LH Panther Mom

07-13-2007, 05:09 AM

Originally posted by Mustangpride09
Thats because I do think its unfair. That has nothing to do with him going to Texas though, as what you were trying to point out, thats why I asked what your point was.
Then you should take it up with the UIL, as THEIR rule states it is fair. :)

Mustangpride09

07-13-2007, 05:57 AM

Just because its allowed doesn't make it fair.

buff4life

07-13-2007, 12:05 PM

if it was unfair then the UIL would make it illegal...

Mustangpride09

07-13-2007, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by buff4life
if it was unfair then the UIL would make it illegal...

So last year when G.J. Kinne transferred from Canton to Gilmer obviously for athletic reasons, and the UIL allowed that, it was fair? Ask the board and see how many users thought that was fair.

burnet44

07-13-2007, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by buff4life
if it was unfair then the UIL would make it illegal...

the UIL aint about fairness all the time
they are about the legalities

Fair-UIL yeah pretty funny

ask the Skyline 4x4 a coulpa years ago
fair lol

Bull19

08-30-2007, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by BrahmaDAD70
Yes I will be getting a real good look at Chaney this year.
My son is finally at the show. He is 6'2 295 Jr. and hopefully
will be able to open many holes for Byron Abbs and Chaney
this and next year. I cant wait til the season starts.

wont be blocking for them

sweetwater07

08-30-2007, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by Mustangpride09
He's the fastest 19 year old still playing high school football.

hahahahaha...i heard you talk about that all offseason last year..and still dwelling on it...:D

lion75

08-30-2007, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by Gobbla2001
as a sophmore, plays for a team that is not a one man show EVER, those are great numbers and that is a great running back... just think, 6 of those games were played in the playoffs, where the competition is supposed to be higher...

as a sophmore you sometimes don't even get the majority of your playing time til a few games in anyway... I would call him a very good back that ran behind a Great line.

LH Panther Mom

08-30-2007, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by Old Green
Doug Allman from Liberty Hill. :thumbsup:

wookinpanub

08-30-2007, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by buff4life
i'm sticking with my town...fitzhenry has speed that is pretty much unmatched...

.. and if the cocky attitude doesn't vanish (which the Statesman will make sure it never does), he'll find himself in the same situation as Mike Stone of Caldwell did in the early 90's when players got so sick of his implying he was the reason for success, they quit blocking for him.

The result:

Cuero 57, Caldwell 20

LHMom

08-30-2007, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by Old Green
Doug Almann from Liberty Hill.

Gets my vote.
Go #44!!

CueroDad2006

08-30-2007, 10:13 PM

I take it 7 times in the state finals makes reg. 4 weak ha?

LHPfactory

08-30-2007, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by Mustangpride09
More like unfair if you ask me.

:crying: Give me a break, I guess if you give any 16 or 17 year old they will run a 4.3 40 yard dash. Its plenty fair, he has been able to play 6 years like everyone else and no rules are broken, get over it.

OH yeah and LH#44 gets my vote also

CueroDad2006

08-30-2007, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by CueroDad2006
I take it 7 times in the state finals makes reg. 4 weak ha?

sorry it was 10 times

buff4life

08-30-2007, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by Mustangpride09
So last year when G.J. Kinne transferred from Canton to Gilmer obviously for athletic reasons, and the UIL allowed that, it was fair? Ask the board and see how many users thought that was fair.

thatz a little different...moving for a sport...and being held back IN KINDERGARTEN which isn't that unusual so your a year older...big difference there

buff4life

08-30-2007, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by wookinpanub
.. and if the cocky attitude doesn't vanish (which the Statesman will make sure it never does), he'll find himself in the same situation as Mike Stone of Caldwell did in the early 90's when players got so sick of his implying he was the reason for success, they quit blocking for him.

The result:

Cuero 57, Caldwell 20

yea but from knowing him, its the austin american statesman doing it...just coming from my friendship with him...if your ever at at a game in the fourth quarter...if caldwell keeps it close...you'll see him congratulating his lineman and chatting with them...he fixed all of them steaks this summer...

Bull19

08-30-2007, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by buff4life
yea but from knowing him, its the austin american statesman doing it...just coming from my friendship with him...if your ever at at a game in the fourth quarter...if caldwell keeps it close...you'll see him congratulating his lineman and chatting with them...he fixed all of them steaks this summer...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

buff4life

08-30-2007, 10:37 PM

dont' get me wrong..he's not perfect...how many stars are not a little cocky...AAS blows it up...

Bull19

08-30-2007, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by buff4life
dont' get me wrong..he's not perfect...how many stars are not a little cocky...AAS blows it up...

he doesnt blow it up.....

clemsmarina

08-31-2007, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by charlesrixey
Charley Waldrep, Celina?

30 TD's and 1,500 yards last year as a sophomore

No homer pick here....

Waldrep will be awesome this year, and a freaking BEAST next year!!!!

87 TIGER

08-31-2007, 08:13 AM

The best two I saw last year Alman LH, and Whaley Madisonville. This year is yet to be seen. Oh and the kid from Celina, saw at the state game, he's a good one for sure.

ToroChingon

08-31-2007, 01:57 PM

"Port Isabel Running Backs"

and

"4.4 speed"

are two terms which should NEVER go in the same sentence. LOL! :thinking:

Our FB is 6'0", 248, runs a legit 4.7(not with a Tarpon rolling start :rolleyes: ), benches 390, squats 600, and runs over Linebackers for fun. :eek:

But I am not even claiming him to be one of "the best' in 3A. At least not just yet. :D

Old Tiger

08-31-2007, 01:59 PM

How come everyone in South Texas runs 4.4's:confused:

ToroChingon

08-31-2007, 02:02 PM

They use rolling starts and the coaches start thir watches after a couple of steps.

I HAVE SEEN THIS IN PERSON MANY TIMES!

clemsmarina

08-31-2007, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Go Blue
How come everyone in South Texas runs 4.4's:confused:

Yeah, it's just like those guys from Hondo that ran 4.3's last year....

So many 17 and 18 years olds running 4.4's, yet none of them are on tv on Saturday's because all of the legit 4.5 guys get the 'ships.

I laugh everytime I see the 4.4 claims, since the fastest 40 yard time EVER at an NFL combine was 4.25, and Deion Sanders ran a 4.29.

Old Tiger

08-31-2007, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by clemsmarina
Yeah, it's just like those guys from Hondo that ran 4.3's last year....

So many 17 and 18 years olds running 4.4's, yet none of them are on tv on Saturday's because all of the legit 4.5 guys get the 'ships.

I laugh everytime I see the 4.4 claims, since the fastest 40 yard time EVER at an NFL combine was 4.25, and Deion Sanders ran a 4.29. I was watching the NFL combine this year and Deion said that they clocked him anywhere from a 4.19-4.25

Sweetwater Red

08-31-2007, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by Go Blue
I was watching the NFL combine this year and Deion said that they clocked him anywhere from a 4.19-4.25

Was that with or without all of his gold on?:thinking:

g$$

08-31-2007, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by CueroDad2006
I take it 7 times in the state finals makes reg. 4 weak ha?

What I said was strength in #s, not one team like Cuero (or Burnet, or Sinton, or Wimberley, or LH, etc.). No doubt Cuero is legit & has been a long time. Region 4 as a whole is not as strong as other regions. I have played & competed in both Region 4 & Region 3 - no comparison in speed & athletes as a whole. That does not mean 1-2 teams cannot emerge from that region who can play with anybody, & they have too. Houston & Dallas (Regions 3 & 2) simply have more people to choose from every year = athletes. Strength & depth in #s. Look at the demographics & recruits each year from the regions. Not even close.

BTW, RBs Chris Whaley (Madisonville) & Dexter Pratt (Navasota) are 2 studs. Will be top state & even national recruits. They are that good & regarded highly.

keep_it_real

09-04-2007, 06:15 PM

dexter pratt was offered by a&m monday.

footballgal

09-04-2007, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by ToroChingon
"Port Isabel Running Backs"

and

"4.4 speed"

are two terms which should NEVER go in the same sentence. LOL! :thinking:

Our FB is 6'0", 248, runs a legit 4.7(not with a Tarpon rolling start :rolleyes: ), benches 390, squats 600, and runs over Linebackers for fun. :eek:

But I am not even claiming him to be one of "the best' in 3A. At least not just yet. :D

4.4 - 4.6 does it matter?? All I know is your Jackets couldn't catch him! Ha! :D :D :D :D :clap: (If in fact you're even from EE - EE's 6-2 or whatever was a TE and was not fast) So now you claim to be in 3A?? What team do you really follow?

Gsquared

09-04-2007, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by footballgal
4.4 - 4.6 does it matter?? All I know is your Jackets couldn't catch him! Ha! :D :D :D :D :clap: (If in fact you're even from EE - EE's 6-2 or whatever was a TE and was not fast) So now you claim to be in 3A?? What team do you really follow?
He coaches up here for a certain North Texas 3A yellow jackets. He coached down there for a long time though.

Emerson1

09-04-2007, 07:08 PM

According to his rivals profile, Dabryan Blanton ran a 4.3. So I highly question anyone who runs a 4.4 and isn't well known

LH Panther Mom

09-04-2007, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by LHPfactory
OH yeah and LH#44 gets my vote also
21 totes for 178 yds & 3 td's in last week's game. :cool:

I have to say Troxell looks pretty dang good, too, with 17 for 165. (Heck, we had all kinds of kids with carries the other day. :D )

footballgal

09-04-2007, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by Gsquared
He coaches up here for a certain North Texas 3A yellow jackets. He coached down there for a long time though.

Whether, it's hand time or FAT time, fast is fast, and he shouldn't dismiss it, (coach or not ) unless he has actually seen him (Nolan Nunez) IN PERSON, before putting the kid down.

footballgal

09-04-2007, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by Emerson1
According to his rivals profile, Dabryan Blanton ran a 4.3. So I highly question anyone who runs a 4.4 and isn't well known

Unless you are a Div I prospect, just being from the valley, chances are you will be not known. Plus I didn't know the thread was who is a DIV I prospect. Were talking high school and 3a right?

bandera7

09-04-2007, 10:52 PM

uh...our runningback ran a 4.4 three times in a row at the state 7 on 7...fox tried to interview him. He didnt want to...just wanted to play. He was the fastest recorded 3a player there.

And he is not noticed at all because it was hard for him to do anything last year, seeing as how we passed the ball about 40 times a game.

PlayaJBiehl20

09-05-2007, 12:02 AM

CURTIS KEVIL FROM CLYDE!!

big daddy russ

09-05-2007, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by clemsmarina
I laugh everytime I see the 4.4 claims, since the fastest 40 yard time EVER at an NFL combine was 4.25, and Deion Sanders ran a 4.29.
Only in the last 17 years, since they started using PAT. Before that, there were guys that beat out Fabian Washington's 4.25. Of course, it was all hand-timed.

Randall Washington is largely credited with the fastest one ever at the combine. If I remember correctly, he was clocked at 4.12. Darrell Green and some kid from Arizona State back in the 80's also ran in the 4.1's at the Combine. Hell, Green ran a PAT 4.24 at the NFL's Fastest Man Competition in 1999 at the age of Methuselah.

He ran in the 4.2's at the combine, but Deion ran a 4.17 at FSU's Pro Day in 1989.

All except Green's were hand-timed.

Another thing to remember, though, is that the track at Indy is notoriously slow. Watch the 40's run at the Combine (Devin Hester-4.39, Reggie McNeal-4.35) vs. the 40's run at a team's pro day or in their own practice facility (Hester-4.27 PAT, McNeal-4.28 hand-timed). Overall, there are a lot of different factors that go into it. Are they all legit?

Nope, but then again Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin, and Jerry Rice never broke a 4.6.

I wish we could've seen Green run a PAT 40 in his late-20's. I'd be willing to bet he was a legit 4.1 guy. He's been the NFL's fastest man since the Truman administration. Hell, he's probably still the NFL's fastest man.

g$$

09-05-2007, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by big daddy russ
Only in the last 17 years, since they started using PAT. Before that, there were guys that beat out Fabian Washington's 4.25. Of course, it was all hand-timed.

Randall Washington is largely credited with the fastest one ever at the combine. If I remember correctly, he was clocked at 4.12. Darrell Green and some kid from Arizona State back in the 80's also ran in the 4.1's at the Combine. Hell, Green ran a PAT 4.24 at the NFL's Fastest Man Competition in 1999 at the age of Methuselah.

He ran in the 4.2's at the combine, but Deion ran a 4.17 at FSU's Pro Day in 1989.

All except Green's were hand-timed.

Another thing to remember, though, is that the track at Indy is notoriously slow. Watch the 40's run at the Combine (Devin Hester-4.39, Reggie McNeal-4.35) vs. the 40's run at a team's pro day or in their own practice facility (Hester-4.27 PAT, McNeal-4.28 hand-timed). Overall, there are a lot of different factors that go into it. Are they all legit?

Nope, but then again Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin, and Jerry Rice never broke a 4.6.

I wish we could've seen Green run a PAT 40 in his late-20's. I'd be willing to bet he was a legit 4.1 guy. He's been the NFL's fastest man since the Truman administration. Hell, he's probably still the NFL's fastest man.

And Reggie McNeal is out of work, again, cut by Bengals! Don't you mean FAT on the timing mechanism? Fully automated time = FAT right?

BILLYFRED0000

09-05-2007, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by big daddy russ
Only in the last 17 years, since they started using PAT. Before that, there were guys that beat out Fabian Washington's 4.25. Of course, it was all hand-timed.

Randall Washington is largely credited with the fastest one ever at the combine. If I remember correctly, he was clocked at 4.12. Darrell Green and some kid from Arizona State back in the 80's also ran in the 4.1's at the Combine. Hell, Green ran a PAT 4.24 at the NFL's Fastest Man Competition in 1999 at the age of Methuselah.

He ran in the 4.2's at the combine, but Deion ran a 4.17 at FSU's Pro Day in 1989.

All except Green's were hand-timed.

Another thing to remember, though, is that the track at Indy is notoriously slow. Watch the 40's run at the Combine (Devin Hester-4.39, Reggie McNeal-4.35) vs. the 40's run at a team's pro day or in their own practice facility (Hester-4.27 PAT, McNeal-4.28 hand-timed). Overall, there are a lot of different factors that go into it. Are they all legit?

Nope, but then again Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin, and Jerry Rice never broke a 4.6.

I wish we could've seen Green run a PAT 40 in his late-20's. I'd be willing to bet he was a legit 4.1 guy. He's been the NFL's fastest man since the Truman administration. Hell, he's probably still the NFL's fastest man.

I watched D Green in college and he was lightning fast. The two fastest I have ever seen him and Deon.

big daddy russ

09-05-2007, 02:23 AM

Originally posted by g$$
And Reggie McNeal is out of work, again, cut by Bengals! Don't you mean FAT on the timing mechanism? Fully automated time = FAT right?
Good call. I meant to say FAT at the NFL's Fastest Man Competition, but they use partial automatic timing at the Combine and most Pro Days. It's controlled by hand when the runner releases, but stops automatically when they cross 40.

To my knowledge, though, neither A&M nor UT have adopted PAT at their Pro Days. May have changed recently with all the money coming in, though.

g$$

09-05-2007, 02:34 AM

Originally posted by big daddy russ
Good call. I meant to say FAT at the NFL's Fastest Man Competition, but they use partial automatic timing at the Combine and most Pro Days. It's controlled by hand when the runner releases, but stops automatically when they cross 40.

To my knowledge, though, neither A&M nor UT have adopted PAT at their Pro Days. May have changed recently with all the money coming in, though.

Gotcha, you know more about it than I do. To my knowledge, A&M uses FAT Accutrack in Netum Steed. I am not a track guy but I watched my niece enough (now senior at Texas running track/pole vault & All Big 12) to learn some terms! She used to hurdle & got 3rd in 4A at State a few years ago after winning Region 3. I was a football/basketball/baseball guy myself & still am! Good stuff.

big daddy russ

09-05-2007, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by g$$
Gotcha, you know more about it than I do. To my knowledge, A&M uses FAT Accutrack in Netum Steed. I am not a track guy but I watched my niece enough (now senior at Texas running track/pole vault & All Big 12) to learn some terms! She used to hurdle & got 3rd in 4A at State a few years ago after winning Region 3. I was a football/basketball/baseball guy myself & still am! Good stuff.
I just learned about it by reading a lot of Scott Wright's stuff at NFLDraftCountdown.com. I can't take much credit myself. There's a forum on there where a bunch of scouts and wannabe scouts go and talk about this kind of stuff, what the players are doing, etc.

I just kinda latch on to what they say and use it here.

footballgal

10-11-2007, 09:39 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_5sIS8MlpQ

orangeblood

10-12-2007, 12:05 AM

Don't really know who the best is.....
But the hornets have some good ones

X. Canto 63 att. 743 yards 11.8 per carry ( 4 games )
F. Simms 55 att. 443 yards 8 per carry ( 4 games )

X was 2nd place total yards and 1st in yards per carry that info was in the Austin Statesman 10-10-07

navscanmaster

10-12-2007, 07:40 AM

I believe Dexter Pratt is sitting at 80 carries for 752 yards and 8?TDs. Carries by game:
Madisonville - 12
Hempstead - 20
Hearne - 28
Cleveland - 11
Coldspring - 9 (Injured)

I think you could look in at D23-3A and grab a handful of all-staters by the end of the year in Fitzhenry, Canto, Nunn, and Pratt. And more if you are including Honorable mentions:D Heck, any district game should not last more than two hours either with these teams, unless you are talking about LaGrange v. Smithville.

deer spotter

10-12-2007, 08:00 AM

Does anybody know the stats for Curtis Carter from Columbus? I know he went over a 1000 yds. last week. This kid is tougher than a hospital steak.

Texasfootball2

10-12-2007, 08:28 AM

I know this ads a little different flavor to it, but I'll take the 4 headed monster that Abilene Wylie has at tailback. Through six games the four guys that rotate in at tailback have accumulated 1025 yards and 19 TD's.

Thats 170.8 yds per game and 3.2 TD's per game. Not bad

Black_Magic

10-12-2007, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by Texasfootball2
I know this ads a little different flavor to it, but I'll take the 4 headed monster that Abilene Wylie has at tailback. Through six games the four guys that rotate in at tailback have accumulated 1025 yards and 19 TD's.

Thats 170.8 yds per game and 3.2 TD's per game. Not bad I would Say It is Will Clay at this point. Clay has right at 1400 yards in 6 games . I think he has an average of 230yds per game at this point.

Texasfootball2

10-12-2007, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Black_Magic
I would Say It is Will Clay at this point. Clay has right at 1400 yards in 6 games . I think he has an average of 230yds per game at this point.

Can't excatly agrue with those numbers. He's definitly a great back. I might still rather have the four headed monster that Wylie possesses, because one injury doesn't devistate your backfield. But at this pace, if Snyder makes a good playoff run, Will could be the 3A player of the year.

Snyder_TigerFan

10-12-2007, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by Black_Magic
I would Say It is Will Clay at this point. Clay has right at 1400 yards in 6 games . I think he has an average of 230yds per game at this point.

and 19TDs.

Originally posted by Texasfootball2
Can't excatly agrue with those numbers. He's definitly a great back. I might still rather have the four headed monster that Wylie possesses, because one injury doesn't devistate your backfield. But at this pace, if Snyder makes a good playoff run, Will could be the 3A player of the year.

Snyder has a pretty good three headed monster, Will just has the bulk of the yards.

DaHop72

10-12-2007, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by Texasfootball2
Can't excatly agrue with those numbers. He's definitly a great back. I might still rather have the four headed monster that Wylie possesses, because one injury doesn't devistate your backfield. But at this pace, if Snyder makes a good playoff run, Will could be the 3A player of the year. But the Tigers also have their fullback and tailback who are accumulated quiet abit of yardage as well.