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IHStangFan
07-07-2007, 06:41 PM
I have always wondered to myself, what if (insert team) could play (insert team) this year of teams that rarely or have never played. I think there could be some great matchups. I myself have been wondering what would happen if my hometown Mustangs of Ingleside matched up w/ my present hometown Needville Bluejays. I think it would be a great game, and I'm not sure who I'd cheer for. I honestly think though that the Mustangs would be too much for the Jays. The Blue Jays appear to be good on paper, but look a bit one dimensional. Ingleside would shut down T.W. and cruise to a 2 TD victory as the Jays would not be used to playing a team w/ multiple looks on offense as D 24-3A as of late seems to be the district of the "one man show".

I'd also love to see some of the West Texas teams...i.e. Sweetwater, Snyder, etc. play some of the teams around here and across the state....

WOS -vs- Sweetwater: Sweetwater would be stunned by the WOS speed.

Gilmer -vs- A WOS type of team

I could sit here and think of a million of these I'd like to see....but I'm interested in hearing some of your matchups!

Thanks for taking the time to think on this and share!

charlesrixey
07-07-2007, 06:49 PM
Celina vs. Gilmer

(part 2)

IHStangFan
07-07-2007, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by charlesrixey
Celina vs. Gilmer

(part 2) yup....that'd be a good one alright.

Gobbla2001
07-07-2007, 06:51 PM
Palacios vs. Kermit

Emerson1
07-07-2007, 06:51 PM
What years Gilmer and Celina?


Not HS, but I would love to see 01 Miami and 05 Texas play

IHStangFan
07-07-2007, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by Gobbla2001
Palacios vs. Kermit ........really? :confused:

Gobbla2001
07-07-2007, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by IHStangFan
........really? :confused:

why the hell not?

IHStangFan
07-07-2007, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by Gobbla2001
why the hell not? LOL...hell, I don't know.......Kermit? hell, I'd of figured they were 6-man! LOL. I was out there recently but don't actually remember if I saw a population sign or how big the town actually was.

Here's one for you.....

The Devine War Horses -vs- Progreso Red Ants....just cause their names are cool :D

Gobbla2001
07-07-2007, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by IHStangFan
LOL...hell, I don't know.......Kermit? hell, I'd of figured they were 6-man! LOL. I was out there recently but don't actually remember if I saw a population sign or how big the town actually was.

Here's one for you.....

The Devine War Horses -vs- Progreso Red Ants....just cause their names are cool :D

"The Crazy-wicked Name Bowl"

Kermit was 3A in '98 I'm sure... I remember them making the playoffs with a 3-7 record...

IHStangFan
07-07-2007, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by Gobbla2001
"The Crazy-wicked Name Bowl"

Kermit was 3A in '98 I'm sure... I remember them making the playoffs with a 3-7 record... Kinda like..who was it outa the valley this past year that made the playoffs and was 2-8? Crystal City or somebody? I don't remember, just remember seeing a 2-8 team had got in....meanwhile up here in D24 my Needville Blue Jays were 7-3 and didn't get in.

fireman1
07-07-2007, 07:01 PM
well since boling is like 5 min. down the road they always say how they can hang with us but since they are 2A we never play and our coaches like to play bigger schools for predistrict so I would like to see the Boling Bulldogs and the Wharton Tigers play

Gobbla2001
07-07-2007, 07:02 PM
Gunna get the boys together and go boling?

fireman1
07-07-2007, 07:06 PM
well Im sure that if they set up a game between the two Wharton will gladly make the trip down the road... now that i think about it I would like to see Wharton and East Bernard BrahmaBulls they always say the same thing as Boling

Snydertigersrul
07-07-2007, 07:44 PM
Snyder vs. Sweetwater

Phil C
07-07-2007, 08:14 PM
I would like to see Port Isabel play at their stadium which looks awesome. Then after the game go across the bridge to South Padre Island to hear the Pelican West band play at their place located just south of the Radissen Hotel.

Matthew328
07-07-2007, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
Snyder vs. Sweetwater

Could you be any less creative?

bobcat1
07-07-2007, 09:13 PM
Liberty Hill versus Giddings this year. Might be a little bad blood there.:D

burnet44
07-07-2007, 09:19 PM
for fun Wall vs Mart

for real
Mart vs Tatum

LH Panther Mom
07-07-2007, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by bobcat1
Liberty Hill versus Giddings this year. Might be a little bad blood there.:D
:doh: :doh: :doh: :p

Ranger Mom
07-07-2007, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by IHStangFan


I'd also love to see some of the West Texas teams...i.e. Sweetwater, Snyder, etc. play some of the teams around here and across the state....



Hey!!! That's exactly what we heard when we played Daingerfield in 2002....no way could a bunch of white cornfed boys from West Texas keep up with that famous East Texas speed.

I think THEY were the ones who left the field "stunned"!!

Well....I take that back, we were a little stunned over the melee that broke out the last few seconds of the game!!

I learned by experience not to be too overwhelmed by pronouncements of "speed" if you have the weapons to stop it!!:D

Matthew328
07-07-2007, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Hey!!! That's exactly what we heard when we played Daingerfield in 2002....no way could a bunch of white cornfed boys from West Texas keep up with that famous East Texas speed.

I think THEY were the ones who left the field "stunned"!!

Well....I take that back, we were a little stunned over the melee that broke out the last few seconds of the game!!

I learned by experience not to be too overwhelmed by pronouncements of "speed" if you have the weapons to stop it!!:D

I think what happened in the Greenwood-Daingerfield game was the exception and not the rule...I could name 20 times when a West Texas team went up against a speed team from DFW-East Texas and got beat and more often than not got beat bad...

Ranger Mom
07-07-2007, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by Matthew328
I think what happened in the Greenwood-Daingerfield game was the exception and not the rule...I could name 20 times when a West Texas team went up against a speed team from DFW-East Texas and got beat and more often than not got beat bad...

That may very well be....but I said, "I learned by experience"...and since we only that one experience.....well, that's all I can go by!!:D :D

Matthew328
07-07-2007, 10:20 PM
Just to let you know I wasn't just running my mouth LOL

2006: SLC 42 Odessa Permian 6
2006: Colleyville Heritage 24 Lubbock Monterrey 10
2006: Cedar Hill 49 Amarillo 28
2006: Tatum 32 Littlefield 14
2005: Euless Trinity 63 EP Franklin 14
2005: SLC 52 Abilene 0
2005: Plano 20 Midland 7
2005: Tatum 32 Sweetwater 19
2004: Mansfield Summit 26 San Angelo Central 9
2004: Denton Ryan 49 Midland 38
2004: Sherman 36 Wolfforth Frenship 26
2004: Aledo 36 Pampa 12
2004: Gilmer 53 Snyder 20
2003: Arlington Lamar 40 San Angelo Central 12
2003: North Crowley 35 EP Riverside 8
2003: Denton Ryan 51 Plainview 27
2003: Gainesville 37 Abilene Wylie 24
2003: Kennedale 26 Merkel 10
2003: Atlanta 32 Vernon 14
2003: San Augustine 28 Jim Ned 7
2003: Garrison 27 Bangs 0
2002: SLC 41 Abilene Cooper 17
2002: Arlington 24 Lubbock Monterey 7
2002: Aledo 31 Big Spring 21
2002: Denton Ryan 35 Pampa 9
2002: Everman 37 Abilene Wylie 0
2002: Everman 50 Monahans 10
2001: Keller Fossil Ridge 45 Midland Lee 35
2001: Euless Trinity 35 Lubbock Monterey 14
2001: DeSoto 56 EP Del Valle 28
2001: Burleson 19 Amarillo Palo Duro 7
2001: SLC 31 Andrews 0
2001: Everman 36 Perryton 6
2000: Arlington Lamar 30 Lubbock Monterey 10
2000: Denton Ryan 55 Wolfforth Frenship 22
2000: SLC 47 Andrews 35
2000: Lake Worth 29 Sweetwater 10
2000: Forney 41 Muleshoe 17



Since 2000 these are the double digit wins by DFW-East Texas teams over West Texas teams in the playoffs....although there are some nice cuddly exceptions to the rule (Abilene Wylie, Midland Greenwood that one year, Midland Lee when they had Benson) for the MOST part the smart money is speed kills the West Texas teams....

burnet44
07-07-2007, 10:31 PM
and they lost to a Bandera team
who lost to Burnet in district 49-14
Burnet lost in the finals to
FINALS: Everman 35, Burnet 14

I saw both games
At SA and at Waco ISD

Matthew is right
the 2 division system
waters it down

bandera wins state while losing to Burnet 49-14 in dist
Please correct the score Im probably wrong
but it wasnt close

and beating DF
they were not the DF of old

be glad you caught them down
and they havent been that good ever since

fire away

matthew is right

we know huh Matt

Matthew328
07-07-2007, 10:34 PM
I have all the respect in the world for the football played in West Texas but in the end talent will win out most of the time and for West Texas all the heart and toughness in the world just doesn't cut it when most of the time you are going against guys who are just flat out better....

burnet is right, that Daingerfield team was good but lets not kid oursevles Daingerfield hasn't been elite for quite sometime...I saw for myself in 2000 when a 12-0 Daingerfield ranked in the top 5 in the state got lambasted by Everman 34-8....

burnet44
07-07-2007, 10:34 PM
gotta love this one
2004: Gilmer 53 Snyder 20
wait
Robison vs Ingleside
Robinson 62, .Ingleside 21

same story

Matthew328
07-07-2007, 10:36 PM
yeah most of the time South Texas can be lumped into that category also....

I forgot about Bandera getting hammered by Burnet in district play that year....two divisions just isn't the same...

Matthew328
07-07-2007, 10:37 PM
Ohhh I left off

2006: Texarkana Liberty-Eylau 36 Canyon 20

Emerson1
07-07-2007, 10:39 PM
2000: Forney 41 Muleshoe 17


I remember that game, Forney paid Muleshoes way to drive 7 hours to come and play in Texas stadium.

Matthew328
07-07-2007, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by Emerson1
2000: Forney 41 Muleshoe 17


I remember that game, Forney paid Muleshoes way to drive 7 hours to come and play in Texas stadium.


Maybe the dumbest thing I ever heard of....its like Muleshoe knew they were going to get drilled and just said "well lets at least play at Texas Stadium"

burnet44
07-07-2007, 10:44 PM
some of my favs

1989
SEMIFINALS: Tyler Chapel Hill 59, Big Spring 6

1992
SEMIFINALS: Waxahachie 70, Lubbock Estacado 6

Matthew328
07-07-2007, 10:46 PM
That Waxahachie team was GOOD, man they ran the veer like no one's business.....two NFL players on that team and numerous other Division 1 players....one of the best teams I ever saw with my own two eyes and a VERY underrated team as far as all time greats...

They were in Everman's district that year and we played em tough losing 28-14

LH Panther Mom
07-07-2007, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by Matthew328
I forgot about Bandera getting hammered by Burnet in district play that year....
:weeping: :weeping: :weeping: We beat Bandera pretty good that year too. :( Why did you have to remind me? :p

burnet44
07-07-2007, 11:03 PM
It makes our point

Emerson1
07-07-2007, 11:04 PM
02, 03 Forney vs any of the teams we are playing now

burnet44
07-07-2007, 11:07 PM
SEMIFINALS: Everman 21, Forney 14
Burnet 46, Jasper 28

QUARTERFINALS: Abilene Wylie 18, Snyder 6
Gainesville 24, Forney 21
Jasper 24, Manor 21
Burnet 42, Sinton 21

SEMIFINALS: Gainesville 37, Abilene Wylie 24
Burnet 21, Jasper 14

FINALS: Gainesville 35, Burnet 24

Emerson1
07-07-2007, 11:11 PM
and that stat is for?

Emerson1
07-07-2007, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by Matthew328
Maybe the dumbest thing I ever heard of....its like Muleshoe knew they were going to get drilled and just said "well lets at least play at Texas Stadium"
If I was a player I would rather drive the extra 2 hours and play in Texas stadium then some podunk field in the middle of nowhere. Heck they do that all season.

burnet44
07-07-2007, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by Emerson1
and that stat is for?

02, 03 Forney

you should know that before you open your mouth nn

Matthew328
07-07-2007, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by Emerson1
If I was a player I would rather drive the extra 2 hours and play in Texas stadium then some podunk field in the middle of nowhere. Heck they do that all season.

If you were a player you would have known Forney had played in Texas Stadium and was comfortable there...if you want to have any chance whatsoever you must get the opponent out of their comfort zone if they are more talented to have a shot..Muleshoe would not have beaten Forney if they played at Shotwell or Wichita Falls...BUT if they woulda flipped home and home and made Forney drive to Dick Bivins they would have had a chance

Emerson1
07-07-2007, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by burnet44
02, 03 Forney

you should know that before you open your mouth nn
Well knowing you it was some attempt at bashing another team. BTW isn't it past your bedtime old man?

Bull Butter
07-08-2007, 02:04 AM
I was under the impression the title of this thread was "Teams You'd Like To See Play"

not "Let's all get together and bash Regions 1 & 4"

Txbroadcaster
07-08-2007, 02:08 AM
Originally posted by Matthew328
Maybe the dumbest thing I ever heard of....its like Muleshoe knew they were going to get drilled and just said "well lets at least play at Texas Stadium"

Kind of like the El Paso team agianst Euless Trinity year before last...ASKED to play the game in Texas Stadium..Coach said I want the boys to have one high point of this game

charlesrixey
07-08-2007, 07:43 AM
Originally posted by Emerson1
What years Gilmer and Celina?


Not HS, but I would love to see 01 Miami and 05 Texas play

'04, '06 Gilmer

'99, '00, '05, '06 Celina

Any combination, really

charlesrixey
07-08-2007, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by Matthew328
Ohhh I left off

2006: Texarkana Liberty-Eylau 36 Canyon 20

You also forgot:

1999--Celina 56, Stratford 13
2000--Celina 59, Stanton 7
2001--Celina 35, Sonora 13
2005--Celina 35, Childress 7

STANG RED
07-08-2007, 09:24 AM
One thing all you Region 1 bashers are forgetting, is that the whole West Texas area has been in a very depressed state since the late 80s, and much population moved out because of it. Now that the oilfeilds are going strong again, and weve now picked up a new and fast growing energy industry in windfarms, West Texas is back on the rise again. It may still take a few years, but youll start seeing Region 1 powerhouses again, just like the old days.
Permian turned the corner back to respectability some last year, Andrews is finally on its way back, Snyder should be very strong for several years to come, and the whole region in general will continue to get better and better as these major industries continue to grow and get stronger and stronger each year. We have already seen significant population growth in many of our West Texas communities again, and it should do nothing but accelerate in most of the area, as our industries pick up more steam. We may still have a long row to hoe yet, but watch out, we are coming.

burnet44
07-08-2007, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by STANG RED
One thing all you Region 1 bashers are forgetting, is that the whole West Texas area has been in a very depressed state since the late 80s, and much population moved out because of it. We may still have a long row to hoe yet, but watch out, we are coming.

agreed
but
Many of the schools have dropped in classification.
Mainly from 4A to 3A.
This would make these school "big" schools with enrollments at the top end of the 3A classification.

Which should be at least one reason to be successful at that level.

I do also agree many dropped so much they are not even the largets school in their district which would make them even stronger in the small school division.

Many school s in West Texas have lost a ton of kids.
My old school of hamlin had 2A numbers 230 when I was there just a short time ago. We were in the playoffs3 years in a row.
Now they have 134 and are struggling in class A.

I do agree that the massive drops in enrollment have been a factor in the weakening of the region in smaller schiools, but Odessa, Midland, Abilene are still at 5A levels.

Abilene 2478
Abilene Cooper 1989.5
Midland 2741.795
Midland Lee 2812.95
Odessa 3916
Odessa Permian 4027.905

while
Southlake Carroll 2408
Euless Trinity 2765.07
Cedar Hill 2448.5
Katy 2789
Converse Judson 3546
Tyler Lee 2610
Austin Westlake 2356.5
Smithson Valley 2405

While enrollment helps especially in the smaller schools, SLC wins a ton with 2400. They had 2200 in the last enrollment.

Another thing that will hurt region 1, especially in 5A, since there have been so many schools dropping, Region 1 now extends to SLC, Trinity, Cedar Hill, Lewisville, and Irving. Will meake it tough to see traditional Reg 1 teams in the Semi's, much less the finals.

In 4A Region 1 extends to Aledo, Stephenville, Everman, Denton Ryan, not as big a list as 5A because so many of the traditional 4A schools out west have dropped in classification.

In 3A region 1 extends to Gainsville and only has 36 schools in it, an average of 4.5 schools/district. Yes having Presidio in its own district hurts that. But that makes it easier to win your region because there are less schools to compete against. Dist 1 gets a free playoff win with the bye.

In 2A region 1 extends down to Sonora, Mason, Brady and Blanco. Which used to be 3A schools. 2A region 1 has grown south and not as far east.

In 1A region 1 things are pretty much unchanged. Being at the bottom of the food chain you may get some more teams in but the effect hasnt been to the east ethier.

I agree that many towns in west texas have lost kids. But the drop in class would balance that out to some extent. It is not the sole reason for the weakness of the region.

txkmom
07-08-2007, 10:50 AM
I would like to have seen a matchup b/t the 2006 Liberty Hill and Liberty Eylau state champ teams.

carter08
07-08-2007, 10:58 AM
Hoover (AL) vs. South Panola (MS)

This matchup could create a new civil war. Bama v. Mississippi. People would die after the game.

burnet44
07-08-2007, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by txkmom
I would like to have seen a matchup b/t the 2006 Liberty Hill and Liberty Eylau state champ teams.


Liberty Hill wins 35-14 easily
The turnovers killed us.
21 gimmes.
LH had a tougher game with Celina.
While I dont know if we could beat Celina, we didnt week one, it would be a better game the second time around. If we dont turn it over.

IHStangFan
07-08-2007, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by Matthew328
I think what happened in the Greenwood-Daingerfield game was the exception and not the rule...I could name 20 times when a West Texas team went up against a speed team from DFW-East Texas and got beat and more often than not got beat bad... yup...my thoughts exactly...whats the old saying..."the sun even shines on a dog's (BEEP) every now and then"

DU_stud04
07-08-2007, 01:06 PM
euless trinity and southlake carroll...again....and again...and again.

charlesrixey
07-08-2007, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by DU_stud04
euless trinity and southlake carroll...again....and again...and again.

AMEN!

that game gives me hope that we will see another state championship this year

lineweaver has always been a good defensive coach, but they were amazing the last two years, especially against SLC's spread

Emerson1
07-08-2007, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Kind of like the El Paso team agianst Euless Trinity year before last...ASKED to play the game in Texas Stadium..Coach said I want the boys to have one high point of this game
That game was close at halftime I remember.

Matthew328
07-08-2007, 02:43 PM
Yeah Franklin actually was in that game for a half I think they even missed a FG in the 2nd qtr...Trinity just overwhelmed them in the 2nd half though

Matthew328
07-08-2007, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by Bull Butter
I was under the impression the title of this thread was "Teams You'd Like To See Play"

not "Let's all get together and bash Regions 1 & 4"

The title of the thread was that but then RM mentioned something about East Texas speed and how they handled it and I respectfully disagreed....then I just made some arguments to support my point

DU_stud04
07-08-2007, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by charlesrixey
AMEN!

that game gives me hope that we will see another state championship this year

lineweaver has always been a good defensive coach, but they were amazing the last two years, especially against SLC's spread sadly i missed it :( i had been telling everyone euless trinity would steal southlakes lunch. :(

two exciting teams going head to head....that live just a few miles apart and have only played once (or a couple of times i cant remember) now that southlake has grown even more, theyll both start going for the d1 title, sucks that theyll meet up in the middle of playoffs, when these two teams could meet up in state if they were separated apart.

IHStangFan
07-08-2007, 03:30 PM
seriously guys, lets get back on track. Anyone who knows anything about football knows that 9 times outa 10, speed kills and thats just football law. There are exceptions to the rule...but far and few between. Also, on the whole region 1 & 4 suck, 2 and 3 rule thing. Enough already. Take a look at where most of the state's population is located, pop. per square mile, etc. etc. and that should explain that. It's not that Reg. 1 and 4 "suck" its that 2 & 3 have alot bigger pool of atheletes to pull from. So, can we drop that please and get back to the topic at hand. Thank you. :)

Matthew328
07-08-2007, 03:32 PM
I don't think Region 4 is doing that bad population wise actually

IHStangFan
07-08-2007, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by Matthew328
I don't think Region 4 is doing that bad population wise actually are you kidding me? compared to who? Region II...DFW....Reg. III..Houston.....whats the biggest city in Reg. IV? San Antonio? Let's not play ignorant here. Reg. II and III are much more densely populated and concentrated than IV and especially Reg. I.

UIL Breakdown Of Regions by School/Town (http://www.uil.utexas.edu/2007align/pdf/3A_fb_bsktb.pdf)

Matthew328
07-08-2007, 03:59 PM
Actually the Valley is booming along with San Antonio and Austin....so I'd say Region 4 isn't quite in the population decline Region 1 is...

The Valley is producing more growth than just about anywhere

Phantom Stang
07-08-2007, 04:04 PM
What is Ingleside's record against Region4 teams anyway?

Old Green
07-08-2007, 04:19 PM
I'd like to see Sweetwater vs Cuero. With all the psoter's on this board from both schools, it could produce a bigger thread than the 2004 Sinton-Cuero.

Phantom Stang
07-08-2007, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by Old Green
I'd like to see Sweetwater vs Cuero. With all the psoter's on this board from both schools, it could produce a bigger thread than the 2004 Sinton-Cuero.
That's one I'd like to see as well. I've looked for Cuero scores in the Saturday paper, ever since y'all's run in the '70s.

LH Panther Mom
07-08-2007, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by IHStangFan
are you kidding me? compared to who? Region II...DFW....Reg. III..Houston.....whats the biggest city in Reg. IV? San Antonio? Let's not play ignorant here. Reg. II and III are much more densely populated and concentrated than IV and especially Reg. I.

UIL Breakdown Of Regions by School/Town (http://www.uil.utexas.edu/2007align/pdf/3A_fb_bsktb.pdf)
Regardless of the population of each region, we're all still 3A schools, so have "roughly" the same amount of kids to choose from as the rest, right? ;)


I'd love to have the chance to see Permian play. :)

LH Panther Mom
07-08-2007, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by Old Green
I'd like to see Sweetwater vs Cuero. With all the psoter's on this board from both schools, it could produce a bigger thread than the 2004 Sinton-Cuero.
I'd like to see that! I've seen the "track meet" in May....would love to see it on the gridiron.

IHStangFan
07-08-2007, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Regardless of the population of each region, we're all still 3A schools, so have "roughly" the same amount of kids to choose from as the rest, right? ;)
ummm..yeah..but I'm sure you're aware ...or maybe youre not....some schools take everyone cause they NEED everyone they can get, and others, they hold tryouts due to the high level of talent, etc. Besides...who said anything about this conversation being strictly held to 3A? Maybe you should go back and re-read a little. ;)

Old Green
07-08-2007, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
I'd like to see that! I've seen the "track meet" in May....would love to see it on the gridiron. Yeah, it would be a good game. If gas prices weren't so high it could be done. Years back we played teams in other regions at neutral sites. You don't see many teams doing that any more.:(

IHStangFan
07-08-2007, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by Old Green
Yeah, it would be a good game. If gas prices weren't so high it could be done. Years back we played teams in other regions at neutral sites. You don't see many teams doing that any more.:( yeah, no kidding. I can only imagine out in certain areas where schoos actually have to "travel" for games. I wonder what the cost of travel for say....Van Horn ISD (or a similar school w/ several miles between it and the nearest town) is per year for atheletics -vs- say a school such as Needville where I live that the furtherest team away they play is probably at max 25 to 30 miles away.

Old Green
07-08-2007, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by IHStangFan
yeah, no kidding. I can only imagine out in certain areas where schoos actually have to "travel" for games. I wonder what the cost of travel for say....Van Horn ISD (or a similar school w/ several miles between it and the nearest town) is per year for atheletics -vs- say a school such as Needville where I live that the furtherest team away they play is probably at max 25 to 30 miles away. I guess if a coach planned in his budget for the next year and realignment it could be done with a school boards approval. There could be some good games.

I could imagine it would be quite an expense if you had to do it each week.

charlesrixey
07-08-2007, 05:17 PM
I would also like to see Celina vs. Cuero or Celina vs. Giddings

interesting possibilities, especially with Giddings this year

Old Green
07-08-2007, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by charlesrixey
I would also like to see Celina vs. Cuero or Celina vs. Giddings

interesting possibilities, especially with Giddings this year Two more great match ups. That would be awesome.

charlesrixey
07-08-2007, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by Old Green
Two more great match ups. That would be awesome.

i can't think of too many more matchups at the 3A level that would feature such tradition-rich teams

(referring to cuero/celina)

Phantom Stang
07-08-2007, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by charlesrixey
I would also like to see Celina vs. Cuero or Celina vs. Giddings

interesting possibilities, especially with Giddings this year
I agree. It would be nice to see Celina finally play "somebody".

Old Green
07-08-2007, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by charlesrixey
i can't think of too many more matchups at the 3A level that would feature such tradition-rich teams

(referring to cuero/celina) YEP. The Mighty Green vs Unstopable Orange. Great matchup.

Dang I hate dreaming:( :D

burnet44
07-08-2007, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by Matthew328
Actually the Valley is booming along with San Antonio and Austin....so I'd say Region 4 isn't quite in the population decline Region 1 is...

The Valley is producing more growth than just about anywhere

for sure
True again matthew

Celina would beat Cuero. They have too much big game experience. More than Cuero. Cureo is good but not anything like the 3 year run they had. Sealy also.

Id kinda like to see any of these hook up.
WOS-Celina-LH-Gilmer-Jasper-Bridge City-Wimberly-Giddings

would be good ones

Actually if you look the BIGGER 3A schools are in the Valley. Schools with 7-8-900. The population is growing in the valley even if it aint on I-35.

Texas has 21 million people. 50% live 10 miles ethier side of I-35. Thats 10 million people.

footballgal
07-09-2007, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by Phil C
I would like to see Port Isabel play at their stadium which looks awesome...

PI stadium is really not that great, even though it's fairly new. Now, the OLD stadium that was in the middle of PI - now that was a nice stadium, as far as how it was located. As you would drive into the heart of PI, the stadium looked as if you were driving right into the stadium, before the road curved. Even though it wasn't that big, the way it was sitting it there, it gave it an intimidating atmosphere.

Now it's not really in PI, it's sits at the end of Laguna Heights, or what use to be LH, now that they extended the city limits. The only plus is that it's right by the high school.

footballgal
07-09-2007, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by Matthew328
Actually the Valley is booming along with San Antonio and Austin....so I'd say Region 4 isn't quite in the population decline Region 1 is...

The Valley is producing more growth than just about anywhere True, alot of 5A schools in the valley, HOWEVER Port Isabel has remained a small school, since they started playing football in 1952. Not only PI but most of the teams in the valley @3A have remained 2A or 3A for a long time, and don't see that changing anytime soon. So, the pool of talent to which to choose from, still reamins about the same.

burnet44
07-09-2007, 11:10 AM
Zapata 857.5
Hidalgo 819
La Feria 826
Port Isabel 701

Ranger Mom
07-09-2007, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by Matthew328
The title of the thread was that but then RM mentioned something about East Texas speed and how they handled it and I respectfully disagreed....then I just made some arguments to support my point

Gee thanks!! Blame it all on me!!

Someone else STARTED about the speed vs. W. Texas teams....I just give my 2 cents worth!!

:p :p :p

BobcatBenny
07-09-2007, 11:27 AM
Orangefield vs. Celina!

Could the refs ever keep it straight?

I wonder if the players could keep up with it?

footballgal
07-09-2007, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by burnet44
Zapata 857.5
Hidalgo 819
La Feria 826
Port Isabel 701


Zapata is not an RGV team.

burnet44
07-09-2007, 11:42 AM
close enough


while not in the valley these are the region 4 schools that are very large 3a's

above 700


Bandera 856
La Vernia 780
Castroville Medina Valley 908.5
Pleasanton 944.5
Somerset 889
Cuero 704
Gonzales 742.5
Zapata 857.5
Hidalgo 819
La Feria 826
Port Isabel 701

footballgal
07-09-2007, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by burnet44
close enough


while not in the valley these are the region 4 schools that are very large 3a's

above 700


Bandera 856
La Vernia 780
Castroville Medina Valley 908.5
Pleasanton 944.5
Somerset 889
Cuero 704
Gonzales 742.5
Zapata 857.5
Hidalgo 819
La Feria 826
Port Isabel 701 Wow, never thought PI would be considered a large 3A - what's Lyford, Progreso and Rio Hondo's?

lostaussie
07-09-2007, 12:00 PM
i have always wanted to watch Cuero play. others would include WO-S, Sweetwater, and A-Wylie. but the good thing is, I have got to see lots of great teams in my time.

burnet44
07-09-2007, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by footballgal
Wow, never thought PI would be considered a large 3A - what's Lyford, Progreso and Rio Hondo's?

District 31 Enr.
Falfurrias 516
Lyford 433
Raymondville 681
San Diego 449
Zapata 857.5

District 32 Enr.
Hidalgo 819
La Feria 826
Port Isabel 701
Progreso 485
Rio Hondo 643

LH Panther Mom
07-09-2007, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by BobcatBenny
Orangefield vs. Celina!

Could the refs ever keep it straight?

I wonder if the players could keep up with it?
Yes, it would be simple. Orangefield has a paw on their helmet. :D (At least that's what I think I remember seeing.....)

gold_33
07-09-2007, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by burnet44
for sure

Id kinda like to see any of these hook up.
WOS-Celina-LH-Gilmer-Jasper-Bridge City-Wimberly-Giddings

would be good ones

You can see two of these this year we play both Giddings and Liberty Hill.

Whats all the region 4 bashing about! We played TLE last year and beat them, played Liberty Hill and beat them and Abilene Wylie and beat them, granted we didn't get outta regionals we still swept 1,2 and 3. Liberty Hill was in region 4 for many years and had great teams before this year but couldn't get through the region. We may not have the majority of good teams but the top 4 or 5 are just as good as any other regions top 4 or 5 but all you need is the #1 team at the end to have bragging rights regardless.

footballgal
07-09-2007, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by burnet44
District 31 Enr.
Falfurrias 516
Lyford 433
Raymondville 681
San Diego 449
Zapata 857.5

District 32 Enr.
Hidalgo 819
La Feria 826
Port Isabel 701
Progreso 485
Rio Hondo 643

Thanks! ... that Progreso enrollment doesn't see right, for some reason, I remember Progeso being close to Rio Hondo's. Is there a site your getting these from, is it the UIL and are they the most recent?

How do these two region IV districts, compare to the other regions?

chaingang
07-09-2007, 02:02 PM
I would like to see Cuero against my Mighty WOS Mustangs!

Old Green
07-09-2007, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by chaingang
I would like to see Cuero against my Mighty WOS Mustangs! That would be a good one too. We could meet in Pearland Stadium halfway point.

Maroon87
07-09-2007, 02:12 PM
I'd like to see anyone play because that would mean that it's football season.:cool:

charlesrixey
07-09-2007, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by burnet44
close enough


while not in the valley these are the region 4 schools that are very large 3a's

above 700


Bandera 856
La Vernia 780
Castroville Medina Valley 908.5
Pleasanton 944.5
Somerset 889
Cuero 704
Gonzales 742.5
Zapata 857.5
Hidalgo 819
La Feria 826
Port Isabel 701

that looks like the reg. 4 playoff bracket!

;)

Old Green
07-09-2007, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by Maroon87
I'd like to see anyone play because that would mean that it's football season.:cool: I wish Calallen and Cuero would start playing each other again. Those were intense games with a playoff type atmosphere.

Maroon87
07-09-2007, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by Old Green
I wish Calallen and Cuero would start playing each other again. Those were intense games with a playoff type atmosphere.

Same here...for a few years that was our season opener. Talk about finding out quick how good you are!:eek:

DDBooger
07-09-2007, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by Old Green
I wish Calallen and Cuero would start playing each other again. Those were intense games with a playoff type atmosphere. hard hittin games

pirate4state
07-09-2007, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by Maroon87
Same here...for a few years that was our season opener. Talk about finding out quick how good you are!:eek: Well, now they are our season opener. :( LOL

burnet44
07-09-2007, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by charlesrixey
that looks like the reg. 4 playoff bracket!

;)

1

La Vernia 42, .Bandera 35
Pleasanton 28, .Pearsall 15
Ingleside 31, .Gonzales 22
La Feria 31, .Zapata 26

2



Wimberley 56, .Marion 20
Medina Valley 20, .Devine 14
Cuero 48, .Sinton 0
Rio Hondo 37, .Raymondville 0
Llano 26, .Luling 20
Hondo 47, .Lytle 6
Orange Grove 42, .Yoakum 14
Port Isabel 34, .Lyford 6

TarponFanInNorthTexas
07-09-2007, 03:07 PM
I'd love to see Port Isabel go on a "payback" tour, so to speak.

Play and beat teams that have beaten Port Isabel in the playoffs in the past. These are teams that I can think of that Port Isabel hasn't had a chance to "pay back" yet.

Port Isabel vs. Kenedy (Kenedy beat Port Isabel in 1978 Regional Round.....does Kenedy even exist anymore??)

Port Isabel vs. Van Vleck (Rematch from a CLASSIC 1980 State Quarterfinal matchup that was decided by number of first downs)

Port Isabel vs. Freer (Rematch from a 1991 bi-district game)

Port Isabel vs. Sealy (1994 and 1996 - Port Isabel has lost twice to Sealy, in the 3rd round in 1996, and a much more painful loss in the state semi-finals in 1994 against what was considered the best team Port Isabel has ever fielded)

Port Isabel vs. Hallettsville (Rematch of 2004 3rd round game)

Port Isabel vs. Devine (Rematch of 2005 Area round game)

Port Isabel vs. Orange Grove (Rematch of 2006 Area round game, decided under "questionable" circumstances thanks to a slow moving "Walrus" type referee)

LH Panther Mom
07-09-2007, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by gold_33
We played TLE last year and beat them, played Liberty Hill and beat them and Abilene Wylie and beat them, granted we didn't get outta regionals we still swept 1,2 and 3. Liberty Hill was in region 4 for many years and had great teams before this year but couldn't get through the region. We may not have the majority of good teams but the top 4 or 5 are just as good as any other regions top 4 or 5 but all you need is the #1 team at the end to have bragging rights regardless. Didn't you make this same point about beating us the other week? :thinking: :thinking:

pirate4state
07-09-2007, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by TarponFanInNorthTexas
Port Isabel vs. Orange Grove (Rematch of 2006 Area round game, decided under "questionable" circumstances thanks to a slow moving "Walrus" type referee)

OMG that cracked me up!! I remember that guy!!! ROFL!

Bull Butter
07-09-2007, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by footballgal
PI stadium is really not that great, even though it's fairly new. Now, the OLD stadium that was in the middle of PI - now that was a nice stadium, as far as how it was located. As you would drive into the heart of PI, the stadium looked as if you were driving right into the stadium, before the road curved. Even though it wasn't that big, the way it was sitting it there, it gave it an intimidating atmosphere.

Now it's not really in PI, it's sits at the end of Laguna Heights, or what use to be LH, now that they extended the city limits. The only plus is that it's right by the high school.

You mean the stadium with the wooden visitors side bleachers, rusted out home side bleachers, rusted light standards, tiny press box, old chewed up track and very little parking?

footballgal
07-09-2007, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Bull Butter
You mean the stadium with the wooden visitors side bleachers, rusted out home side bleachers, rusted light standards, tiny press box, old chewed up track and very little parking?
I was refering to the location of the old stadium, which IMO, was trully awesome. (And yes the new stadium is adequte and like I mentioned the plus is the high school is right there.)

tid bid - did you know that the home side of the Old Tarpon stadium is still in use in Los Fresnos? That's right the Rodeo grounds in LF, next to Lions club. So the Falcon folks, have a bit of Tarpon History. :D

burnet44
07-09-2007, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by TarponFanInNorthTexas
I'd love to see Port Isabel go on a "payback" tour, so to speak.

Play and beat teams that have beaten Port Isabel in the playoffs in the past. These are teams that I can think of that Port Isabel hasn't had a chance to "pay back" yet.

Port Isabel vs. Kenedy (Kenedy beat Port Isabel in 1978 Regional Round.....does Kenedy even exist anymore??)

Port Isabel vs. Van Vleck (Rematch from a CLASSIC 1980 State Quarterfinal matchup that was decided by number of first downs)

Port Isabel vs. Freer (Rematch from a 1991 bi-district game)

Port Isabel vs. Sealy (1994 and 1996 - Port Isabel has lost twice to Sealy, in the 3rd round in 1996, and a much more painful loss in the state semi-finals in 1994 against what was considered the best team Port Isabel has ever fielded)

Port Isabel vs. Hallettsville (Rematch of 2004 3rd round game)

Port Isabel vs. Devine (Rematch of 2005 Area round game)

Port Isabel vs. Orange Grove (Rematch of 2006 Area round game, decided under "questionable" circumstances thanks to a slow moving "Walrus" type referee)

maybe you could play Marlin again

2003
Marlin 41, Port Isabel 10 Semi's

Maroon87
07-09-2007, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by pirate4state
Well, now they are our season opener. :( LOL


They opted for the "softer" schedule...:p

j/k :cool:

footballgal
07-09-2007, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by burnet44
maybe you could play Marlin again

2003
Marlin 41, Port Isabel 10 Semi's

That would be nice, but of course that couldn't happen this year, now that Marlin is 2A.

burnet44
07-09-2007, 03:49 PM
yeah i know
but still? lol

Pay back?

pirate4state
07-09-2007, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by Maroon87
They opted for the "softer" schedule...:p

j/k :cool:

:tongue:

shut up you

:p

footballgal
07-09-2007, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by burnet44
yeah i know
but still? lol

Pay back? :)
Yes, and any paybacks, would be nice.


I would like to see PI against Celina - because both communites live and breath football.

footballgal
07-09-2007, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by TarponFanInNorthTexas


Port Isabel vs. Kenedy (Kenedy beat Port Isabel in 1978 Regional Round.....does Kenedy even exist anymore??)


yes they are 2A now, if I am not mistaken.


Originally posted by TarponFanInNorthTexas


Port Isabel vs. Sealy (1994 and 1996 - Port Isabel has lost twice to Sealy, in the 3rd round in 1996, and a much more painful loss in the state semi-finals in 1994 against what was considered the best team Port Isabel has ever fielded)


You know Kenny, that's debatable within the Tarpon faithful, some say the '81 other's even the 2003

burnet44
07-09-2007, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by footballgal
:)
Yes, and any paybacks, would be nice.


I would like to see PI against Celina - because both communites live and breath football.

7 state championships vs 0

You need to play someone else first
maybe Ingleside

and BTW Van Vleck is 2a also

Bull Butter
07-09-2007, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by burnet44
7 state championships vs 0

You need to play someone else first
maybe Ingleside

and BTW Van Vleck is 2a also

The amount of state championships won has absolutely nothing to do with the communities attitude toward football.

vet93
07-09-2007, 04:57 PM
Actually this statement may not be completely true...I did research about 5 years ago when Ballinger was still a 3a school and we had an enrollment in the low 300's playing Abilene Wylie in the 900's...anyway...I found that not only was the bulk of the population centered around the I-35 corridor, but the average size of the schools was also significantly higher in that region than in some of the outlying areas. The difference in average enrollments was 60-80 students if I remember right. Other facets of demographics aside from population also have an effect on how well a school does....I will leave that discussion for another time....


Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Regardless of the population of each region, we're all still 3A schools, so have "roughly" the same amount of kids to choose from as the rest, right? ;)


I'd love to have the chance to see Permian play. :)

footballgal
07-09-2007, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by burnet44
7 state championships vs 0

You need to play someone else first
maybe Ingleside

and BTW Van Vleck is 2a also


Originally posted by Bull Butter
The amount of state championships won has absolutely nothing to do with the communities attitude toward football. Yes, that's right! ;) and correct me if I am wrong, but aren't those (Celina) championships in 2A?

Hey, you want to be the best, you have to beat them and in order to beat them, you have to play them. Besides, we did and beat Ingleside a few years ago.:p

burnet44
07-09-2007, 05:00 PM
True, but ment towns live and breathe football.
But before you try elevate yourself to their level by saying that you live and breathe football, be at that level.

Wimberly-Giddings-LH-LE-Robinson-WOS-Wylie-Cuero-ect

All breathe football. pick one of them.

I'm glad you beat Ingleside.
That will move you up the food chain.
To Region 4 quarters?

footballgal
07-09-2007, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by burnet44
True, but mant towns live and breathe football.
But before you try elevate yourself to their level by saying that you live and breathe football, be at that level.

Wimberly-Giddings-LH-LE-Robinson-WOS-Wylie-Cuero-ect

All breathe football. pick one of them.

Tarpons also also beat LH and Cuero:p

burnet44
07-09-2007, 05:05 PM
Good keep climbing the food chain.

footballgal
07-09-2007, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by burnet44
Good keep climbing the food chain.

That's the plan, hopefully we'll start doing that, starting this season ....

IHStangFan
07-09-2007, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Old Green
That would be a good one too. We could meet in Pearland Stadium halfway point. I'd definately make this game if it ever took place

IHStangFan
07-09-2007, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by vet93
Actually this statement may not be completely true...I did research about 5 years ago when Ballinger was still a 3a school and we had an enrollment in the low 300's playing Abilene Wylie in the 900's...anyway...I found that not only was the bulk of the population centered around the I-35 corridor, but the average size of the schools was also significantly higher in that region than in some of the outlying areas. The difference in average enrollments was 60-80 students if I remember right. Other facets of demographics aside from population also have an effect on how well a school does....I will leave that discussion for another time.... amen, thank you sir.

Da Mules
07-09-2007, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by Matthew328
If you were a player you would have known Forney had played in Texas Stadium and was comfortable there...if you want to have any chance whatsoever you must get the opponent out of their comfort zone if they are more talented to have a shot..Muleshoe would not have beaten Forney if they played at Shotwell or Wichita Falls...BUT if they woulda flipped home and home and made Forney drive to Dick Bivins they would have had a chance

Yep, coulda shoulda woulda. All of the Muleshoe fans were really disappointed that the coach didn't at least flip for it and try to bring em up to the Panhandle since Forney wouldn't negotiate on meeting halfway. so what if the school got paid transportation and the hotel; the long trip and the infamous Hump in the field of Texas Stadium just made a bad situation even worse. But that's all water under the bridge now.
BTW, Lincoln Riley who was da Mules QB in that game, is now an assistant QB coach at Texas Tech.
BTW further, his younger brother Garrett Riley is the QB for Muleshoe now, and Muleshoe looks to be a contendah in Region 1, the Lord willing.

TarponFanInNorthTexas
07-10-2007, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by footballgal
yes they are 2A now, if I am not mistaken.



You know Kenny, that's debatable within the Tarpon faithful, some say the '81 other's even the 2003

2003? Please, they lost during the regular season, 1994 team didn't. End of story.

pooch
07-10-2007, 09:27 AM
Dalhart vs. Port Isabel in a home and home...

burnet44
07-10-2007, 09:29 AM
Anthony and Deweyville

TarponFanInNorthTexas
07-10-2007, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by pooch
Dalhart vs. Port Isabel in a home and home...

I've been to Dalhart before.....that's a long ways away, but still, would be fun to see the Tarpons playing in the Panhandle. I'd go, for sure.

District303aPastPlayer
07-10-2007, 11:37 AM
Ingleside vs WO-s

burnet44
07-10-2007, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by TarponFanInNorthTexas
I've been to Dalhart before.....that's a long ways away, but still, would be fun to see the Tarpons playing in the Panhandle. I'd go, for sure.

Lol Yeah Ive been to Dalhart
Flat and silos
Im sure the PI people havent seen a lot of that
Or
The Dalhart people the Gulf

charlesrixey
07-10-2007, 11:46 AM
you know, that really isn't such a bad idea

texas is so big, most people haven't seen the opposite sides of it

it could be a great geography class trip, sponsored by the UIL

even the football would have a strange flavor to it

burnet44
07-10-2007, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by charlesrixey
you know, that really isn't such a bad idea

sponsored by the UIL


good idea
but really the UIL will never sponsor anything
lol

But I know what you meant

also LE vs El Paso Chapin

Gsquared
07-10-2007, 12:02 PM
Didnt Midland Lee play PA Jefferson twice? Once in PA and once in Midland?

TarponFanInNorthTexas
07-10-2007, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by burnet44
Lol Yeah Ive been to Dalhart
Flat and silos
Im sure the PI people havent seen a lot of that
Or
The Dalhart people the Gulf

Also would be fun to see just how badly the PA Announcer from Dalhart butchers the word "Tarpons". :D

I've heard "Tarpawns" "Tarpins" and "Terrapins", but the one that took the cake was the announcer from Orange Grove calling us "The Port Isabel Tarpoons"

pooch
07-10-2007, 02:06 PM
geesh, hopefully the announcer didn't emphasize the last syllable...:rolleyes:

TarponFanInNorthTexas
07-10-2007, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by pooch
geesh, hopefully the announcer didn't emphasize the last syllable...:rolleyes:

Nah, he didn't emphasize it. I remember we were warming up on the field when we heard the announcer say that. It gave us and the coaches a good laugh.

This was in 1994, Port Isabel @ Orange Grove, bi-district playoff game.

Da Mules
07-10-2007, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by TarponFanInNorthTexas
Also would be fun to see just how badly the PA Announcer from Dalhart butchers the word "Tarpons". :D

I've heard "Tarpawns" "Tarpins" and "Terrapins", but the one that took the cake was the announcer from Orange Grove calling us "The Port Isabel Tarpoons"

Muleshoe used to be in Dalhart's district... the game announcer at Muleshoe speaking in his very genuine West Texas accent kept callin Dalhart the "Goldin Wooves."
Up here, you'd probl'y be the "Poat Is'bl Tawp'ns."

LH Panther Mom
07-10-2007, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by Da Mules
Muleshoe used to be in Dalhart's district... the game announcer at Muleshoe speaking in his very genuine West Texas accent kept callin Dalhart the "Goldin Wooves."
Up here, you'd probl'y be the "Poat Is'bl Tawp'ns."
LOL! :D

carter08
07-10-2007, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by Old Green
That would be a good one too. We could meet in Pearland Stadium halfway point.

Oh. I've always wanted to go to the Rig.

Cuero/ WOS would be enough to get me to Pearland

TarponFanInNorthTexas
07-11-2007, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by Da Mules
Muleshoe used to be in Dalhart's district... the game announcer at Muleshoe speaking in his very genuine West Texas accent kept callin Dalhart the "Goldin Wooves."
Up here, you'd probl'y be the "Poat Is'bl Tawp'ns."

:D LOL! I hadn't thought of that! It'll probably sound pretty funny, and give the PI team and the crowd a good laugh before the team slaughters the "Goldin Wooves".

pooch
07-11-2007, 01:17 PM
A&M Consolidated vs. Zephyr....bookends of the Texas HS football teams alphabetized....

footballgal
07-11-2007, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by burnet44
...and BTW Van Vleck is 2a also
They are now, but back then they were 3A.

TarponFanInNorthTexas
07-11-2007, 04:07 PM
Actually Footbalgal, I think PI was 2A in 1980, and then was moved up to 3A in 1982.

footballgal
07-13-2007, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by TarponFanInNorthTexas
Actually Footbalgal, I think PI was 2A in 1980, and then was moved up to 3A in 1982.
are you sure? what year was it when all classification moved up 1, to get rid of class B?

burnet44
07-13-2007, 09:23 AM
1920 first year of UIL play

1940 First year of PVIL play

1947 First year of 2 Divison PVIL play (A and 2A)

1948 first year of 2 division UIL play (City-A-2A)

1951 first year of UIL 4 division play (4A-3A-2A-1A)

1952 first year of 3 Division PVIL play (3A-2A-1A)

1960 first year of 4 division PVIL play (4A-3A-2A-1A)

1966 PVIL goes to 3 Divisions (4A-3A-2A)

1967 PVIL goes to 2 Divisions (3A-2A)

1968 PVIL goes to 1 Division (3A)

1970 all schools in UIL 4 Divisions (4A-3A-2A-1A)

1972 UIL goes to 7 Divisions (4A-3A-2A-1A-B-Eight-Man-Six-Man)

1976 UIL goes to 6 Divisions (4A-3A-2A-1A-B-Six-Man)

1980 was the first year for 5A (5A-4A-3A-2A-1A-Six-Man)

1990 first year of the 2 divisions (5A Big-5A Regular-4A-3A-2A-1A-Six-Man)

1991 first year of D1 and D2 (5A D1-5A D2-4A-3A-2A-1A-Six-Man)

1996 first year of 4A D1-D2 (5A D1-5A D2-4A D1 4A-D2-3A-2A-1A-Six-Man)

1998 first year of 3A-2A D1 and D2 (5A D1-5A D2-4A D1 4A D2-3A D1-3A D2-2A D1-2A D2-1A-Six-Man)

2006 2 Divisions for each class (5A D1-5A D2-4A D1-4A D2-3A D1-3A D2-2A D1-2A D2-1A D1-1A D2-Six-Man D1-Six Man D2)

I still think 6 Man D2 is an oxymoron
6 man ARE small schools

footballgal
07-13-2007, 09:37 AM
Kenny, found this in the Los Fresnos (32-5A)football site, according to this PI was 3A in 1980, which means so was Van Vleck. I know for a fact, that even in 1982, Van Vleck was 3A, cuz in high school, we beat them in an area VB, playoff game.


1980
32-AAA
Buford Joe Wyatt
6 Hebbronville 9
14 Brownsville St. Joe 21
38 Hidalgo* 6
36 Sharyland* 15
20 Rio Hondo* 0
21 Lyford* 19
28 La Joya* 7
20 La Feria* 42
14 Port Isabel* #10 state 20
42 Santa Rosa* 7

http://www.lfcisd.net/falconhistory/fb1980.htm

http://www.lfcisd.net/falconhistory/football.htm

I just noticed something else, that year the Tarpons according to this, were ranked 10th in state.

ahh, the 80's when PI used to beat up on the Falcons in the long rival game, "Battle of Hwy 100"! :clap: :D And now 5A, La Joya and Sharyland were 3A. That was a large district, with 9 district teams, compared, to the 5 we now, since they moved Lyford and Raymondville to dist. 31.

TheDOCTORdre
07-13-2007, 10:10 AM
i would like to see juarez academia play

burnet44
07-13-2007, 10:13 AM
1980 3A


CLASS 3A
BI-DISTRICT: Littlefield 35, Perryton 6
Childress 22, Slaton 15
Canutillo 30, Denver City 0
Stamford 37, Sonora 15
Decatur 28, Jacksboro 6
Allen 48, Cedar Hill 20
Pittsburg 21, De Kalb 0
Van 7, Gilmer 7
West 49, Rusk 7
Hamshire-Fannett 16, Woodville 7
Waller 7, Barbers Hill 3
Caldwell 20, Marble Falls 6
Van Vleck 20, Elgin 7
Universal City Randolph 14, Hondo 9
Edna 13, Refugio 12
Port Isabel 7, Hebbronville 2



REGIONALS: Littlefield 17, Childress 0
Stamford 26, Canutillo 13
Decatur 19, Allen 10
Pittsburg 24, Van 0
West 35, Hamshire-Fannett 12
Waller 9, Caldwell 7
Van Vleck 28, Universal City Randolph 6
Port Isabel 17, Edna 9



QUARTERFINALS: Stamford 26, Littlefield 18
Pittsburg 28, Decatur 0
West 7, Waller 6
Van Vleck 0, Port Isabel 0



SEMIFINALS: Pittsburg 35, Stamford 0
Van Vleck 31, West 0



FINALS: Pittsburg 13, Van Vleck 2

Mustangpride09
07-13-2007, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by TheDOCTORdre
i would like to see juarez academia play

lmao

burnet44
07-13-2007, 10:38 AM
we played Monterey Tech when I was in college

http://www.isacamty.org.mx/Images/Mty/Galery/estadiotec1.jpg

footballgal
07-13-2007, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by burnet44
we played Monterey Tech when I was in college

http://www.isacamty.org.mx/Images/Mty/Galery/estadiotec1.jpg

Thanks for the info burnett44, oh and do you happen to have the one for 1981?

Judging by the Soccer lines on the field, looks like you played them in Monterrey. Plus the stadium, doesn't look like your typical High school one.

Who is Juarez Acedemia?

burnet44
07-13-2007, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by footballgal
looks like you played them in Monterrey.

Who is Juarez Acedemia?

yeah it was there
and no it wasnt soccer

Since 1987, Juarez Academy has trained more cosmetology professionals in the Pacific Northwest than any other organization. The only cosmetology school in the country developed by the Pacific Institute, Juarez Academy boasts a curriculum rooted in the fundamentals of professional success. Students study a variety of product lines, designs, colors, style, texture, fashion, skin, and nail care and have the opportunity to put their classroom skills to use in an externship program. Competitions and other community events provide students exciting opportunities to unleash their creativity and further develop their skills.



Programs:

Cosmetology
Hand and Foot Therapy
Instructor Training

Location: Juarez Academy has two campuses in the Seattle area: 10715 8th Avenue NE in Seattle, and 2222 South 314th Street in Federal Way.

Career Services: Career services offered to students include training in communication skills, portfolio management, job interviews, and business skills. The academy hosts portfolio shows and career fairs and provides each student with an externship opportunity.

Accreditation: Juarez Academy is accredited by NACCAS (The National Accrediting Commission of Cosmetology Arts and Sciences) www.naccas.org

Juarez Academy
10715 8th Avenue NE
Seattle, WA 98125

2222 South 314th Street
Federal Way, WA 98003

footballgal
07-13-2007, 01:46 PM
:D
That explains this. lol


O
Originally posted by TheDOCTORdre
i would like to see juarez academia play

Originally posted by Mustangpride09
lmao

Fotbol
07-13-2007, 01:59 PM
Div I State champs vs Div II state champs each year, in every classification!:clap:

footballgal
07-13-2007, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Fotbol
Div I State champs vs Div II state champs each year, in every classification!:clap:

+1

Keith7
07-13-2007, 02:07 PM
03 Gainesville Leopards vs 02 Gainesville Leopards.. I think we could take them

footballgal
07-13-2007, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by footballgal
Thanks for the info burnett44, oh and do you happen to have the one for 1981?
...

Never mind, I found it.

1981 (3A)
PI 33, Hebbronville 15 (bi-district)
PI 36, Refugio 0 (regionals)
PI 10, Hondo 0 (state quarterfinals)
Cameron Yoe 25, PI 14 (state semifinals)

burnet44
07-13-2007, 08:08 PM
yeah

1981 3A


CLASS 3A
BI-DISTRICT: Littlefield 42, Perryton 14
Floydada 16, Tahoka 0
Kermit 19, Seminole 7
Breckenridge 14, Brady 7
Bowie 40, Aledo 7
Wylie 28, Midlothian 6
Paul Pewitt 41, Pittsburg 20
Gilmer 16, Van 8
Crockett 27, Mc Gregor 16
Newton 28, Orangefield 21
Barbers Hill 14, Waller 13
Cameron 15, Manor 14
Luling 9, Van Vleck 8
Hondo 21, Medina Valley 10
Refugio 23, Edna 14
Port Isabel 33, Hebbronville 15



REGIONALS: Littlefield 28, Floydada 7
Kermit 14, Breckenridge 7
Wylie 0, Bowie 0
Gilmer 21, Paul Pewitt 0
Newton 40, Crockett 21
Cameron 23, Barbers Hill 8
Hondo 20, Luling 0
Port Isabel 36, Refugio 0



QUARTERFINALS: Kermit 21, Littlefield 14
Gilmer 16, Wylie 14

Cameron 28, Newton 28
I saw this game Played at brand new Katy Rhodes Stadium.
one of the best ever. Anthony Byerly played for Newton.
Cameron took a knee at the one to run the clock out.
Didnt want to kick to Byerly. He had an 80 yarder in the 2nd half.


Port Isabel 10, Hondo 0



SEMIFINALS: Gilmer 28, Kermit 0
Cameron 25, Port Isabel 14



FINALS: Cameron 28, Gilmer 3

LH Panther Mom
07-13-2007, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by TheDOCTORdre
i would like to see juarez academia play
I thought you were going to watch them this past season? What happened? :confused:

IHStangFan
08-07-2007, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by Bull Butter
I was under the impression the title of this thread was "Teams You'd Like To See Play"

not "Let's all get together and bash Regions 1 & 4" thank you kind sir! :)

lion75
08-07-2007, 04:49 PM
1990 Vernon Lions vs. any Celina team thats ever been put on the field.

IHStangFan
08-07-2007, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by lion75
1990 Vernon Lions vs. any Celina team thats ever been put on the field. wow!

lion75
08-07-2007, 05:06 PM
Research it.

IHStangFan
08-07-2007, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by lion75
Research it. I had friends that grew up in Vernon, no need to research anything. Just saying that the 1990 V team vs the best Celina team would be a knock down drag out.

lion75
08-07-2007, 05:51 PM
That team, aside from going 16-0 and winning state,also did it when all of 3a was combined. Some highlights: Opened their first scrimmage against then 5a WF Rider and beat them 7 touchdowns to 0. Beat 4a playoff team Wichita Falls 56-14. Rarely played the first string in the second half during district. Played 13-0 Childress in the Quarterfinals and was ahead 42-6 at halftime. Played backups most of the second half and won 48-6. In the semifinals they took out a Southlake Carroll team that averaged over 50 points a game and gave up less than 6 in the largest crowd (13,800) to ever see a game in Memorial Stadium in WFalls. In the state championship, they faced a Crockett team whose seniors were undefeated in the 7th, 8th, 9th, and jv years. Their junior year, they were 13-0 before finally losing their fist game ever on the 14th game of their junior year. This incredible senior class from Crockett came into the state championship 15-0 with one loss in their life....and got rolled 41-20 by Vernon. I sat by the Denton High coaches after the game and they had seen the #1 4a team in the state (A&M Consolidated) play the week before. They all agreed that Vernon or SLC either one would handle A&M Cons. no problem. Their QB, Ken Collums won a State Champ ring, went to Central Arkansas and started as a freshman, leading them to a NCAA DIV III National Championship in his first year. Our tailback Derrick Richardson 2,400+ rushing and 44td's was Texas Football Magazine AAA Player of the year. Dline was 255, 285 and 245. O-line huge also. Absolutely the most dominant 3a team I've seen except for the Dangerfield team that posted 14 straight shutouts

burnet44
08-07-2007, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by lion75
1990 Vernon Lions vs. any Celina team thats ever been put on the field.

Celina still wins

yeah I know

SEMIFINALS: Vernon 11, Southlake Carroll 6

lion75
08-07-2007, 05:59 PM
No chance.

burnet44
08-07-2007, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by lion75
Absolutely the most dominant 3a team I've seen except for the Dangerfield team that posted 14 straight shutouts

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
no

You havent see ALL of Celina teams play
or
The SLC ones 92,88
Pittsburg 80
Jefferson 86
Gilmer 04
Atlanta 03
Sealy 78 old 2A but same class as 3A

maybe top 10
but to say 2nd best to DF

uhhhhhhhh no

and yes I saw all of those
and coached against 3 of them

Vernon was good
but not THAT good

lion75
08-07-2007, 07:07 PM
I saw Celina play twice last year and I can tell you they would not have beaten that Vernon team. The 92 Southlake team beat Vernon 39-35 and Vernon had nowhere near the team they had in 90 so I would dispute that.

Cameron Crazy
08-07-2007, 07:09 PM
I would like to see Liberty Hill or LE

lion75
08-07-2007, 07:18 PM
also saw 03 Atlanta beat a Vernon team in the semifinals. No way they beat Crocket, SLC, or Vernon of 90

Fal44
08-07-2007, 07:41 PM
I don't care about who these teams play but just would like to watch them play..

Liberty Hill
Graham
Celina
Sweetwater
West Orange Stark

burnet44
08-07-2007, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by Fal44
I don't care about who these teams play but just would like to watch them play..

Liberty Hill
Graham
Celina
Sweetwater
West Orange Stark

take Graham and Swater out

Fal44
08-07-2007, 07:53 PM
I would just like to see sweetwater stadium, and graham I would watch the game with CC which would be pretty cool. so those are their reason for being on the list.

lion75
08-07-2007, 09:08 PM
I would like to see Some of the southern schools with tradition like Cuero, WOStark, Jasper, and Sealy

IHStangFan
08-07-2007, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by Fotbol
Div I State champs vs Div II state champs each year, in every classification!:clap: I second that!

LH Panther Mom
08-07-2007, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by lion75
I would like to see Some of the southern schools with tradition like Cuero, WOStark, Jasper, and Sealy
I've seen half of them. :)