What keeps Vance in Liberty Hill?

[CautionOrange]

Just curious. He is good friends with former Caldwell coach, Rick Cobia, who is now in Taylor. Vance first started at LH back when they played Caldwell in the season opener about six or seven years ago. By now, coaches like that take jobs at 4A or 5A schools.

[Old Tiger]

I heard he is about to retire and be an AD or something

[Emerson1]

Doesn't seem like a run only offense like that would work in 4a or 5a.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Emerson1
Doesn't seem like a run only offense like that would work in 4a or 5a.
did you miss Garland a few years ago when they won state using the Wing T???

[burnet44]

winning

[sinton66]

Vance is only a couple years from retirement. He won state last year and has a ton coming back. I think I would stay too. He'll retire as AD/HC, run for mayor and win. After about five years at that, he'll run for governor.;)

[Gobbla2001]

those kids have bought into his system... play extremely hard... why would he want to leave?

[g$$]

Originally posted by Gobbla2001
those kids have bought into his system... play extremely hard... why would he want to leave?

Exactly. Good town, good people, good program, good place to live, pretty much all good. At this stage of his career, why leave?

[Phantom Stang]

Originally posted by Emerson1
Doesn't seem like a run only offense like that would work in 4a or 5a.
Euless Trinity has done quite well using a run based offense.

[g$$]

Originally posted by Emerson1
Doesn't seem like a run only offense like that would work in 4a or 5a.

Ever heard of Gordon Wood & his style of play? How about Darrell Royal or Bear Bryant? It is not what you run but HOW you run it that matters. The spread may be in vogue, but basic & simple still works when executed with some athletes. Schemes run in cycles & coaches are the biggest copy-cats ever too. If something is working, you can bet your paycheck others will give it a try ASAP.

[scotty]

When TJ Mills left Sealy and took a job that raised his retirement, it pretty much wrecked his coaching career. The Sealy kids were sold on his program and there isn't any tellin how many more games they would have won. Now Sealy is in a rebuilding program with a new coach.
Mickey Finley won last year at Schulenburg with pretty much a smash-mouth program. I think if you have the kids that type of football works very well.

[LH Panther Mom]

What keeps any coach anywhere?

[BullFrog Dad]

Maybe he just wants to be remembered as 'Liberty Vance'!

[Gsquared]

Originally posted by Emerson1
Doesn't seem like a run only offense like that would work in 4a or 5a.
Now thats funny right there!

[maestro]

a super quality guy....

and the community has everything that a coach could desire...

[LHdog]

He's "the man" at Liberty Hill. Anywhere else, just another coach.

[CautionOrange]

Originally posted by LHdog
He's "the man" at Liberty Hill. Anywhere else, just another coach.

... and money doesn't talk? Come on now.

[winthebigone]

The biggest mistake made by many coaches is leaving a place where you have it rolling, you are happy, and people love you. Yet, coaches do it all the time. Billy Clyde left a place where he would have become a legend, to chase the mythical "National Title". Billy Donovan almost made the biggest mistake of his life leaving Florida. Lou Holtz always said taking the Jets job was the worst mistake he ever made. Dick Vitale was a highly successful college coach and did not succeed as a professional coach. The coaching mentality in some ways isn't any different than the drive to compete on the field. Some feel if they aren't always striving to move someplace better, then they are lettting themselves down. Some coaches are in it to win games/titles, and some are in it to raise young men. Unfortunately the days of a high school coach staying in one town his whole career are gone.

[CautionOrange]

Originally posted by winthebigone
The biggest mistake made by many coaches is leaving a place where you have it rolling, you are happy, and people love you. Yet, coaches do it all the time. Billy Clyde left a place where he would have become a legend, to chase the mythical "National Title". Billy Donovan almost made the biggest mistake of his life leaving Florida. Lou Holtz always said taking the Jets job was the worst mistake he ever made. Dick Vitale was a highly successful college coach and did not succeed as a professional coach. The coaching mentality in some ways isn't any different than the drive to compete on the field. Some feel if they aren't always striving to move someplace better, then they are lettting themselves down. Some coaches are in it to win games/titles, and some are in it to raise young men. Unfortunately the days of a high school coach staying in one town his whole career are gone.

Hey, you're preaching to the choir here, but coaches tend to look out for the bottom line. Coaches used to small town politics rarely can conform to traditional big-city "I don't care if he IS your kid, play the senior" philosophy. You can't pull the wool over big-city street smart boosters like you can in comparably tinier schools.

[Centextrash]

Originally posted by Emerson1
Doesn't seem like a run only offense like that would work in 4a or 5a.

San Marcos went to the quarterfinals running the Slot T
Gregory Portland has ran the Slot for many years.
I would say both offenses are successful.

It is not always about what you run. Its HOW you run it.
Do your players "buy" into it.
Do your COACHES know it and "buy" into it.
Does your community buy into it.

If the answers is yes to all of those, then you will be successful. Either throwing the ball or running it.

[maestro]

true...

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
What keeps any coach anywhere?
What keeps any coach coaching. There just are not that many Celina and LH towns out there anymore. Too many people just think they ought to be the coach from the stands in most places.

[Phantom Stang]

Originally posted by Centextrash

It is not always about what you run. Its HOW you run it.
Do your players "buy" into it.
Do your COACHES know it and "buy" into it.
Does your community buy into it.

If the answers is yes to all of those, then you will be successful. Either throwing the ball or running it.
Well said!!:clap:

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Too many people just think they ought to be the coach from the stands in most places.
Oh, we have a few bleacher coaches here. :doh:

[BILLYFRED0000]

Well, we do too. G A comes to mind when he comes to the games. But then again, he was the winningest coach in texas football history so I guess he counts. But what I really mean is that we have some people who have enough smarts to call the game differently and sometimes even suggest something the coaches pick up on. But more's the pity on the town where anybody with an opinion can hold the coaches feet to the fire. I asked Coach Elliot last year bout what keeps him coaching and he just said Celina.... I said I kinda understand that and he said there weren't too many Celina's out there. And it was not just about the quality of the kids as it was the quality of the town and the way we liked things. It is starting to grow out here. I hope we can keep things simple.

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Well, we do too. G A comes to mind when he comes to the games. But then again, he was the winningest coach in texas football history so I guess he counts. But what I really mean is that we have some people who have enough smarts to call the game differently and sometimes even suggest something the coaches pick up on. But more's the pity on the town where anybody with an opinion can hold the coaches feet to the fire. I asked Coach Elliot last year bout what keeps him coaching and he just said Celina.... I said I kinda understand that and he said there weren't too many Celina's out there. And it was not just about the quality of the kids as it was the quality of the town and the way we liked things. It is starting to grow out here. I hope we can keep things simple.
Oh, I get you. I guess our bleacher coaches just "think" they're better qualified than the ones on the field, if you get my drift. None of them are actual coaches. Heck, we have one who can call better plays, run better patterns, tackle & block better.....and I think officiate better. :doh:

If I had to guess what keeps Vance here, it would be that he likes it....and is well liked. It's a nice town to live and at some point retire, in. The kids "bought into" what he had to say back before my oldest son's Junior season in 2001. And all those kids who followed are believers as well.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Oh, I get you. I guess our bleacher coaches just "think" they're better qualified than the ones on the field, if you get my drift. None of them are actual coaches. Heck, we have one who can call better plays, run better patterns, tackle & block better.....and I think officiate better. :doh:

Yes I get you. I would love to see a rematch. Just two good towns and teams havin fun playin the game. Sure was fun last year......

If I had to guess what keeps Vance here, it would be that he likes it....and is well liked. It's a nice town to live and at some point retire, in. The kids "bought into" what he had to say back before my oldest son's Junior season in 2001. And all those kids who followed are believers as well.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Yes I get you. I would love to see a rematch. Just two good towns and teams havin fun playin the game. Sure was fun last year......

[bobcat1]

I think he stays because he loves Barney and Barney is purple too.:D

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by bobcat1
I think he stays because he loves Barney and Barney is purple too.:D
roflmao

[Snydertigersrul]

Originally posted by bobcat1
I think he stays because he loves Barney and Barney is purple too.:D

Maybe because he loves beating Celina.

:D

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
Maybe because he loves beating Celina.

:D
He did that last year. Yes he did.