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Keith7
05-24-2007, 03:22 PM
Polar bears at risk as warming thaws icy home



LONGYEARBYEN, Norway (Reuters) -- Time may be running out for polar bears as global warming melts the ice beneath their paws.

Restrictions or bans on hunting in recent decades have helped protect many populations of the iconic Arctic carnivore, but many experts say the long-term outlook is bleak.

An estimated 20,000-25,000 bears live around the Arctic -- in Canada, Russia, Alaska, Greenland and Norway -- and countries are struggling to work out ways to protect them amid forecasts of an accelerating thaw.

"There will be big reductions in numbers if the ice melts," Jon Aars, a polar bear expert at the Norwegian Polar Institute, said by the fjord in Longyearbyen on the Arctic archipelago of Svalbard, about 600 miles from the North Pole.

Unusually for this time of year, the fjord is ice free.

Many restaurants and shops in Longyearbyen, a settlement of 1,800 people, have a stuffed polar bear or pelt -- often shot before a hunting ban from the early 1970s. Self-defense is now the only excuse for killing a bear.

Many scientific studies project that warming, widely blamed on emissions of greenhouse gases from burning fossil fuels, could melt the polar ice cap in summer, with estimates of the break-up ranging from decades to sometime beyond 2100.

Bears' favorite hunting ground is the edge of the ice where they use white fur as camouflage to catch seals.

"If there's no ice, there's no way they can catch the seal," said Sarah James of the Gwich'in Council International who lives in Alaska. "Gwich'in" means "people of the caribou", which is the main source of food for about 7,000 indigenous people in Alaska and Canada.
Threatened

U.S. President George W. Bush's administration is due to decide in January 2008 whether to list polar bears as "threatened" under the Endangered Species Act.

That would bar the government from taking any action jeopardizing the animals' existence and environmentalists say it would spur debate about tougher U.S. measures to curb industrial emissions.

The World Conservation Union last year listed the polar bear as "vulnerable" and said the population might fall by 30 percent over the next 45 years. Bears also suffer from chemical contaminants that lodge in their fat.

Some indigenous peoples, who rely on hunts, say many bear populations seem robust.

"The Russians thought there's more polar bears that they're seeing in their communities, so they felt that it's not an endangered species," said Megan Alvanna-Stimpfle, chair of the Inuit Circumpolar Youth Council, of an area of Arctic Russia.

"But if we're talking about the future and there's no ice, then they are," she said.

And some reports say the melt may be quickening.

"Arctic sea ice is melting at a significantly faster rate than projected by most computer models," the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center said in a report on April 30.

It said it could thaw earlier than projected by the U.N. climate panel, whose scenarios say the Arctic Ocean could be ice-free in summers any time between about 2050 to well beyond 2100.

An eight-nation report by 250 experts in 2004 said "polar bears are unlikely to survive as a species if there is an almost complete loss of summer sea-ice cover."

Paal Prestrud, head of the Center for International Climate and Environmental Research in Oslo who was a vice-chair of that study, said there was no Arctic-wide sign of a fall in numbers.

But there were declines in population and reduced weights among females in the Western Hudson Bay area in Canada, at the southern end of the bears' range where summer ice has been breaking up earlier.

Mitchell Taylor, manager of wildlife research at the Inuit-sponsored environmental research department in Nunavut, Canada, said some bears in region had simply moved north.
Hunters

"Hunters in many regions say they are seeing increases," he said. "It's clear that the ice is changing but it's not at all clear that the trend will continue."

Prestrud said the fate of polar bears may hinge on whether they adapt to survive longer on land in summers. In the Hudson Bay, bears often go for months without food, scavenging on birds' eggs or even on berries and roots.

"Otherwise they will end up in zoos," he said.

Aars, however, said the bears had survived temperature swings in the past: "I hear far too often that within 100 years polar bears could be extinct," he told a group of climate students in Longyearbyen.

"You will still have bays with ice for many months a year where polar bears can live," he said.

On Svalbard, bears may have become less scared of people since the hunting ban, and are more likely to see them as a meal. Aars' recommendation: don't show you are scared.

"You start shouting, or use flare shots to make a noise. Most polar bears get scared if you behave in the right way. But you have to act from the start. If you show weakness you are in trouble."

Copyright 2007 Reuters. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Story Highlights
• Many experts say the long-term outlook for the polar bear is bleak
• An estimated 20,000-25,000 bears live around the Arctic
• Studies project that warming could melt the polar ice cap in summer
• Report: Polar bears won't survive as a species if there is no summer sea-ice cover

Black_Magic
05-24-2007, 03:26 PM
Trouble maker!! your going to make those who like sticking thier heads in the sand and hoping Global warming is a myth mad again.:rolleyes:

shankbear
05-24-2007, 03:33 PM
Yawn. Very few dispute the existence of global warming. It is the cause that is in dispute. What happened to the frickin bears in the global warming events of the past???? It is cyclical. We didn't cause it. We cannot stop it. Panic is so fun isn't it?

DDBooger
05-24-2007, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by shankbear
Yawn. Very few dispute the existence of global warming. It is the cause that is in dispute. What happened to the frickin bears in the global warming events of the past???? It is cyclical. We didn't cause it. We cannot stop it. Panic is so fun isn't it? if we don't stop global warming it will follow us home :rolleyes: lol

Maroon87
05-24-2007, 03:39 PM
I personally think we could help fight global warming by restricting the expulsion of large amounts of hot air in discussions such as "how do we stop global warming?":cool:

DDBooger
05-24-2007, 03:43 PM
or preferably what can we do to help clean our darn environment. no one likes to live in a mess at home, earth included. im more worried about that!

JasperDog94
05-24-2007, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by shankbear
Yawn. Very few dispute the existence of global warming. It is the cause that is in dispute. What happened to the frickin bears in the global warming events of the past???? It is cyclical. We didn't cause it. We cannot stop it. Panic is so fun isn't it? Exactly.

Phantom Stang
05-24-2007, 04:53 PM
Endangered?
Threatened?
Haven't these "experts" studied science?:nerd:

All the Polar Bears need to do in order to survive, is to evolve into a species that can tolerate warmer climates.:crazy1:

DDBooger
05-24-2007, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by Phantom Stang
Endangered?
Threatened?
Haven't these "experts" studied science?:nerd:

All the Polar Bears need to do in order to survive, is to evolve into a species that can tolerate warmer climates.:crazy1: uh but according to creationists they can't do that:crazy1: lmao!

Reds fan
05-24-2007, 05:17 PM
Poor Polar bears:( How did they ever get through the last few periods of global warming and cooling without help from the humans?

LH Panther Mom
05-24-2007, 05:19 PM
Another one? :doh: :rolleyes:

smustangs
05-24-2007, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Another one? :doh: :rolleyes:

thats what i was thinking

Phantom Stang
05-24-2007, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Another one? :doh: :rolleyes:
Yeah, but in my own defense, I think this is the first one I've posted on.:cool: :p

STANG RED
05-24-2007, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by shankbear
Yawn. Very few dispute the existence of global warming. It is the cause that is in dispute. What happened to the frickin bears in the global warming events of the past???? It is cyclical. We didn't cause it. We cannot stop it. Panic is so fun isn't it?

Yea, and I can see it now. When the next cycle of gobal cooling begins, there will be plenty of these same whinners decendents that will be claiming the human race has somehow contributed to that also. :rolleyes:

Phantom Stang
05-24-2007, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by STANG RED
Yea, and I can see it now. When the next cycle of gobal cooling begins, there will be plenty of these same whinners decendents that will be claiming the human race has somehow contributed to that also. :rolleyes:
It's done happened. Back in the 70s the Chicken Littles claimed that all the emissions would eventually form a giant cloud, blocking the sun's rays, and we would all freeze to death.

STANG RED
05-24-2007, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by Phantom Stang
It's done happened. Back in the 70s the Chicken Littles claimed that all the emissions would eventually form a giant cloud, blocking the sun's rays, and we would all freeze to death.

Your probably right, but I was too preoccupied with sex and beer back then to notice much else. :D

Phantom Stang
05-24-2007, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by STANG RED
Your probably right, but I was too preoccupied with sex and beer back then to notice much else. :D
Curly's told us all about that!!:D

SintonFan
05-24-2007, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by Keith7
Polar bears at risk as warming thaws icy home



LONGYEARBYEN, Norway (Reuters) -- Time may be running out for polar bears as global warming melts the ice beneath their paws.

Restrictions or bans on hunting in recent decades have helped protect many populations of the iconic Arctic carnivore, but many experts say the long-term outlook is bleak.

An estimated 20,000-25,000 bears live around the Arctic -- in Canada, Russia, Alaska, Greenland and Norway -- and countries are struggling to work out ways to protect them amid forecasts of an accelerating thaw.

"There will be big reductions in numbers if the ice melts," Jon Aars, a polar bear expert at the Norwegian Polar Institute, said by the fjord in Longyearbyen on the Arctic archipelago of Svalbard, about 600 miles from the North Pole.

Unusually for this time of year, the fjord is ice free.

Many restaurants and shops in Longyearbyen, a settlement of 1,800 people, have a stuffed polar bear or pelt -- often shot before a hunting ban from the early 1970s. Self-defense is now the only excuse for killing a bear.

Many scientific studies project that warming, widely blamed on emissions of greenhouse gases from burning fossil fuels, could melt the polar ice cap in summer, with estimates of the break-up ranging from decades to sometime beyond 2100.

Bears' favorite hunting ground is the edge of the ice where they use white fur as camouflage to catch seals.

"If there's no ice, there's no way they can catch the seal," said Sarah James of the Gwich'in Council International who lives in Alaska. "Gwich'in" means "people of the caribou", which is the main source of food for about 7,000 indigenous people in Alaska and Canada.
Threatened

U.S. President George W. Bush's administration is due to decide in January 2008 whether to list polar bears as "threatened" under the Endangered Species Act.

That would bar the government from taking any action jeopardizing the animals' existence and environmentalists say it would spur debate about tougher U.S. measures to curb industrial emissions.

The World Conservation Union last year listed the polar bear as "vulnerable" and said the population might fall by 30 percent over the next 45 years. Bears also suffer from chemical contaminants that lodge in their fat.

Some indigenous peoples, who rely on hunts, say many bear populations seem robust.

"The Russians thought there's more polar bears that they're seeing in their communities, so they felt that it's not an endangered species," said Megan Alvanna-Stimpfle, chair of the Inuit Circumpolar Youth Council, of an area of Arctic Russia.

"But if we're talking about the future and there's no ice, then they are," she said.

And some reports say the melt may be quickening.

"Arctic sea ice is melting at a significantly faster rate than projected by most computer models," the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center said in a report on April 30.

It said it could thaw earlier than projected by the U.N. climate panel, whose scenarios say the Arctic Ocean could be ice-free in summers any time between about 2050 to well beyond 2100.

An eight-nation report by 250 experts in 2004 said "polar bears are unlikely to survive as a species if there is an almost complete loss of summer sea-ice cover."

Paal Prestrud, head of the Center for International Climate and Environmental Research in Oslo who was a vice-chair of that study, said there was no Arctic-wide sign of a fall in numbers.

But there were declines in population and reduced weights among females in the Western Hudson Bay area in Canada, at the southern end of the bears' range where summer ice has been breaking up earlier.

Mitchell Taylor, manager of wildlife research at the Inuit-sponsored environmental research department in Nunavut, Canada, said some bears in region had simply moved north.
Hunters

"Hunters in many regions say they are seeing increases," he said. "It's clear that the ice is changing but it's not at all clear that the trend will continue."

Prestrud said the fate of polar bears may hinge on whether they adapt to survive longer on land in summers. In the Hudson Bay, bears often go for months without food, scavenging on birds' eggs or even on berries and roots.

"Otherwise they will end up in zoos," he said.

Aars, however, said the bears had survived temperature swings in the past: "I hear far too often that within 100 years polar bears could be extinct," he told a group of climate students in Longyearbyen.

"You will still have bays with ice for many months a year where polar bears can live," he said.

On Svalbard, bears may have become less scared of people since the hunting ban, and are more likely to see them as a meal. Aars' recommendation: don't show you are scared.

"You start shouting, or use flare shots to make a noise. Most polar bears get scared if you behave in the right way. But you have to act from the start. If you show weakness you are in trouble."

Copyright 2007 Reuters. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Story Highlights
• Many experts say the long-term outlook for the polar bear is bleak
• An estimated 20,000-25,000 bears live around the Arctic
• Studies project that warming could melt the polar ice cap in summer
• Report: Polar bears won't survive as a species if there is no summer sea-ice cover
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lol
You had to go to Norway to find a story to agree with ya huh Keith?:p

BILLYFRED0000
05-25-2007, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Another one? :doh: :rolleyes:
I love this article. I saw another estimate of around 40,000 polar bears not that long ago. Besides Keith, you believe in darwinian laws too do you not? They will adapt and evolve as life always has on this planet. I wonder how many Polar Bears were alive 10000 years ago when man was not here. I am sure some scientist somewhere driving a time traveling suv so he could pollute the air and count long dead polar bears has the stat sheet on it.:rolleyes:

LH Panther Mom
05-25-2007, 06:09 AM
Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
I love this article.
I didn't even read it past the first sentence or two.....just commented on another thread. ;)

BILLYFRED0000
05-25-2007, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
I didn't even read it past the first sentence or two.....just commented on another thread. ;)

I know. It is kinda funny tho. I think he has some smarts but Global warming just isn't that simple. it's the chicken or the egg
kind of thing. Fun to debate cause there is so much room for
confusion......