Subject: Father-Daughter talk

[olddawggreen]

Father-Daughter Talk

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so
many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal
Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch
Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures
that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a
professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil,
selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.


One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher
taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare
programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her
professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.
He responded by asking how she was doing in school.


Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA,
and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she
was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying,
which left her no time to go out and party like other people she
knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really
have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.


Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?"


She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy
classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so
popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always
invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show
up for classes because she's too hung over."


Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's
office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GP A and give it to your
friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and
certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."


The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily
fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my
grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey
has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I
worked my tail off!"


The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently,
"Welcome to the Republican Party."

[CHS_CG]

Originally posted by olddawggreen
Father-Daughter Talk

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so
many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal
Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch
Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures
that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a
professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil,
selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.


One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher
taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare
programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her
professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.
He responded by asking how she was doing in school.


Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA,
and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she
was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying,
which left her no time to go out and party like other people she
knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really
have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.


Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?"


She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy
classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so
popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always
invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show
up for classes because she's too hung over."


Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's
office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GP A and give it to your
friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and
certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."


The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily
fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my
grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey
has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I
worked my tail off!"


The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently,
"Welcome to the Republican Party."




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[JasperDog94]

Nice.:)

[Blastoderm55]

I'll just copy-paste the feedback this got at the 4a site. :p

[Bullaholic]

I can't wait for BBDE to get hold of this one. Somebody is going to have to give him nitro-glycerin. :D

Way to go, Olddawg---keep em' coming.

[Phil C]

:clap: :clap: :clap:


Very good. But how did they lose that surplus that the Democratic Bill Clinton had? And they did it in such a short time.

[Phil C]

Originally posted by Phil C
:clap: :clap: :clap:


Very good. But how did they lose that surplus that the Democratic Bill Clinton had? And they did it in such a short time.

Never mind. Welcome the the Republican Party.


:D

[Bullaholic]

Originally posted by Phil C
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Very good. But how did they lose that surplus that the Democratic Bill Clinton had? And they did it in such a short time.

Ummmmmm........You may get "licks", Phil. :D

[Tx Challenge]

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[BuffyMars]

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[CHS_CG]

Originally posted by BuffyMars
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i so dont want lunch any more:speech: :helpme:

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by olddawggreen
Father-Daughter Talk

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so
many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal
Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch
Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures
that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a
professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil,
selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.


One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher
taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare
programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her
professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.
He responded by asking how she was doing in school.


Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA,
and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she
was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying,
which left her no time to go out and party like other people she
knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really
have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.


Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?"


She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy
classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so
popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always
invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show
up for classes because she's too hung over."


Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's
office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GP A and give it to your
friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and
certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."


The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily
fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my
grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey
has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I
worked my tail off!"


The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently,
"Welcome to the Republican Party." MAN!! thats a great lesson!!! Because everyone knows that the only people in this country that are having a hard time making ends meet are the ones who are lazy.... The ones who work the hardest make the most money.. Its a good thing that ALL hard work is rewarded by multi million dollar rewards.... Dang lazy folks:dispntd: ;)

[smustangs]

this could get interesting here haha :clap: :clap:

[mustang04]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
MAN!! thats a great lesson!!! Because everyone knows that the only people in this country that are having a hard time making ends meet are the ones who are lazy.... The ones who work the hardest make the most money.. Its a good thing that ALL hard work is rewarded by multi million dollar rewards.... Dang lazy folks:dispntd: ;)

my parents struggled to make ends meet while i was growing up.....i don't blame the ritch..but i do blame the wellfare programs helping those who are lazy and work just 30-40 hours a week at mcdonalds, buy drugs, alcohol and Escalades with that money, and then try to turn around and sell the food stamps my parents taxes are paying for:mad:

[smustangs]

Originally posted by mustang04
my parents struggled to make ends meet while i was growing up.....i don't blame the ritch..but i do blame the wellfare programs helping those who are lazy and work just 30-40 hours a week at mcdonalds, buy drugs, alcohol and Escalades with that money, and then try to turn around and sell the food stamps my parents taxes are paying for:mad:

amen reggie wel-fare is good in theory but it is very abused and wasted on many pelple now days.

[Ranger Mom]

Before we go any further...let's make sure we don't start treading on the ""political toes"!!

:)

[Black_Magic]

You guys are right. ALL those people on public assistance are lazy drug taking worthless bums!! They should strive to be more like ALL the people who are rich and make tons of money and work long hard hours and stay off of drugs!!:thumbsup:

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
You guys are right. ALL those people on public assistance are lazy drug taking worthless bums!! They should strive to be more like ALL the people who are rich and make tons of money and work long hard hours and stay off of drugs!!:thumbsup:

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Hansum Stranger]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
work long hard hours and stay off of drugs!!:thumbsup:

It's worked for me so far.

[Bullaholic]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
You guys are right. ALL those people on public assistance are lazy drug taking worthless bums!! They should strive to be more like ALL the people who are rich and make tons of money and work long hard hours and stay off of drugs!!:thumbsup:

O.k., Blackie.....Tell us why there are so many people on welfare.

[Blastoderm55]

This welfare issue is hitting a nerve right now. All the housing in the area is Section 8, meaning welfare recipients get dibs on vacancies, free cable-phone-internet, reduced priced utilities and rent, vehicle stipend, etc. Meanwhile, my fiancee and I make too much to even live at most of these apartments, and must resort to living in a slum with the rest of the people who actually work for a living. I'm all for helping my fellow man, but time limits need to be implemented so that this abuse can be ended. I survived thanks to welfare while my mother got her degree, so I'm not for doing away with the system. I just think it needs to be tweaked. Drastically.

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by Hansum Stranger
It's worked for me so far. thats right!! I got screwed though. I work Long hard hours and stay off of drugs but im not rich.. But Im sure it works for everyone else. Only the Lazy drug using bums have to take public assistance. I just wonder how hard paris hilton works to have all that money to spend like she does. Im sure she is drug free too.;)

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Bullaholic
O.k., Blackie.....Tell us why there are so many people on welfare.

Oh Lordy!!:doh:

I agree that there are some people who are down on their luck and need some "temporary" assistance.

But there are SO MANY who abuse the system.....I don't think even Blackie can deny that!!

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by Blastoderm55
I'm all for helping my fellow man, but time limits need to be implemented so that this abuse can be ended. You mean there is abuse some abuse in the wellfare system? I thought is was just for lazy folks. I didnt know that some actualy diserve it....

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Oh Lordy!!:doh:

I agree that there are some people who are down on their luck and need some "temporary" assistance.

But there are SO MANY who abuse the system.....I don't think even Blackie can deny that!! Sure there is abuse. Rich folks abuse the system too in tax fraud.. but few gripe about that..;)

[smustangs]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
You guys are right. ALL those people on public assistance are lazy drug taking worthless bums!! They should strive to be more like ALL the people who are rich and make tons of money and work long hard hours and stay off of drugs!!:thumbsup:

Were not saying some ppl dont need it and that all millionaires work for what they have. most were born with a silver spoon, I am not trying to deny that. Its just the ones who use foodstamps and well fare then drive an escalade. I checked out behind a guy at the grocery store the other day who was buying steaks to feed his dog w/ food stamps because dog food dosent qualify, now justify how that is right?

[themsu97]

Magic... you need to get over yourself... everyone knows, that where's theres money, there's corruption... I don't know anything about you, and you don't know anything about me... but I can say that of the people I know that are on welfare, they are abusing the system and that is wrong... and they are lazy... and the government does not stop it... but lets argue about Iraq instead...
rich is how you look at it, my wife and I are both in education, but i have a house, 2 nice cars, 2 great kids and I love my dog... to me, i am rich... so again, get over yourself...
oh yeah, neither one of my parents graduated high school, dad only has a GED, is a mechanic, mom works in the school cafeteria, but they worked... taught me to work for what I want... I had to pay for my own college and worked my way through, took me 9 years but I did it... it isn't anyones fault,

[smustangs]

Originally posted by themsu97
Magic... you need to get over yourself... everyone knows, that where's theres money, there's corruption... I don't know anything about you, and you don't know anything about me... but I can say that of the people I know that are on welfare, they are abusing the system and that is wrong... and they are lazy... and the government does not stop it... but lets argue about Iraq instead...
rich is how you look at it, my wife and I are both in education, but i have a house, 2 nice cars, 2 great kids and I love my dog... to me, i am rich... so again, get over yourself...
oh yeah, neither one of my parents graduated high school, dad only has a GED, is a mechanic, mom works in the school cafeteria, but they worked... taught me to work for what I want... I had to pay for my own college and worked my way through, took me 9 years but I did it... it isn't anyones fault,

couldnt have put it better myself

[Reds fan]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
thats right!! I got screwed though. I work Long hard hours and stay off of drugs but im not rich.. But Im sure it works for everyone else. Only the Lazy drug using bums have to take public assistance. I just wonder how hard paris hilton works to have all that money to spend like she does. Im sure she is drug free too.;)

You got screwed because you have not gotten rich or you don't get part of the Hilton money

:confused:

[AP Panther Fan]

This conversation reminded me of an e-mail I received yesterday, so I thought I would share.....

Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job.
I work, they pay me.
I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as they see fit.
In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test.
This, I have no problem with.
What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who
don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check or any kind of "unearned" government assistance?
After all, I have to pass one to earn it for them?
Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on
their feet.
I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit
on their butt.
Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to
pass a urine test to get a public assistance check.

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by smustangs
Were not saying some ppl dont need it and that all millionaires work for what they have. most were born with a silver spoon, I am not trying to deny that. Its just the ones who use foodstamps and well fare then drive an escalade. I checked out behind a guy at the grocery store the other day who was buying steaks to feed his dog w/ food stamps because dog food dosent qualify, now justify how that is right? sure there is abuse.. its wrong. but it helps many who NEED it and dont abuse it. Im saying to equate public assistance with lazy dishonsest drug users is as inacurat as saying that wealthy folks work long hard hours for the money they have.. Rich folks abuse the "System" too by sheltering money from the government because they dont have it taken out of a check like most of us do.

[themsu97]

like i have said before, nothing disgusts me more than the media... who cares about the Hilton's, Brittany or Anna Nicole, but yet that is all we hear about...:mad: :mad: :mad:


and amen to that AP

[Blastoderm55]

I think the funniest abuse of the system is what my dad does with some of his employees. They need cash, so they'll buy him $100 worth of name-brand, high dollar groceries. We're talking huge packs of fajitas, REAL Coke, awesome deli meats. You get the picture.

In return, he gives them $50 cash.

Now that's capitalism folks! :D

[smustangs]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
thats right!! I got screwed though. I work Long hard hours and stay off of drugs but im not rich.. But Im sure it works for everyone else. Only the Lazy drug using bums have to take public assistance. I just wonder how hard paris hilton works to have all that money to spend like she does. Im sure she is drug free too.;)

you didnt get screwed you chose your career path not the govt or anyone else. you could have done a lot of other things to make a lot more money so thats your own fault

[Blastoderm55]

Originally posted by AP Panther Fan
This conversation reminded me of an e-mail I received yesterday, so I thought I would share.....

Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job.
I work, they pay me.
I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as they see fit.
In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test.
This, I have no problem with.
What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who
don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check or any kind of "unearned" government assistance?
After all, I have to pass one to earn it for them?
Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on
their feet.
I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit
on their butt.
Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to
pass a urine test to get a public assistance check.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

I'm all for that, and I'm a raging liberal hippie. :D

[Snyder_TigerFan]

Originally posted by AP Panther Fan
This conversation reminded me of an e-mail I received yesterday, so I thought I would share.....

Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job.
I work, they pay me.
I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as they see fit.
In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test.
This, I have no problem with.
What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who
don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check or any kind of "unearned" government assistance?
After all, I have to pass one to earn it for them?
Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on
their feet.
I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit
on their butt.
Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to
pass a urine test to get a public assistance check.

Me likes. Random piss testing those who receive government assistance!:thumbsup: Oh, but then we would be invading their rights.:rolleyes:

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by AP Panther Fan
This conversation reminded me of an e-mail I received yesterday, so I thought I would share.....

Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job.
I work, they pay me.
I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as they see fit.
In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test.
This, I have no problem with.
What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who
don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check or any kind of "unearned" government assistance?
After all, I have to pass one to earn it for them?
Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on
their feet.
I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit
on their butt.
Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to
pass a urine test to get a public assistance check.

I couldn't agree more!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by smustangs
you didnt get screwed you chose your career path not the govt or anyone else. you could have done a lot of other things to make a lot more money so thats your own fault Your right. the one I am in is one of the very few that does not reward long hours and hard work with a huge paycheck....:rolleyes:

[smustangs]

Originally posted by AP Panther Fan
This conversation reminded me of an e-mail I received yesterday, so I thought I would share.....

Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job.
I work, they pay me.
I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as they see fit.
In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test.
This, I have no problem with.
What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who
don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check or any kind of "unearned" government assistance?
After all, I have to pass one to earn it for them?
Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on
their feet.
I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit
on their butt.
Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to
pass a urine test to get a public assistance check.


best thing i have read in a while

[Darren]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
thats right!! I got screwed though. I work Long hard hours and stay off of drugs but im not rich.. But Im sure it works for everyone else. Only the Lazy drug using bums have to take public assistance. I just wonder how hard paris hilton works to have all that money to spend like she does. Im sure she is drug free too.;)

Sure all people that are on welfare aren't lazy or drug addicts. Just as all people that are rich aren't wicked, lazy or drug addicts. But you would have to admit that the greater majority of benefits such as welfare, goverment housing and food stamps are given to people that aren't making an effort to provide for themselves.

EX.... People effected by Katrina that are still getting government housing, food, and monetary support. Some still don't have jobs (without plans to secure one) and cry everytime there is anything mentioned about discontinuing any of these services.

[smustangs]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Your right. the one I am in is one of the very few that does not reward long hours and hard work with a huge paycheck....:rolleyes:

i have chosen the same field and i will be right there with ya in a few years so its ok your not hte only one but i dont feel i will be screwed its something i want to do and i chose to do

[AP Panther Fan]

Originally posted by Blastoderm55
I think the funniest abuse of the system is what my dad does with some of his employees. They need cash, so they'll buy him $100 worth of name-brand, high dollar groceries. We're talking huge packs of fajitas, REAL Coke, awesome deli meats. You get the picture.

In return, he gives them $50 cash.

Now that's capitalism folks! :D


This goes on all the time and it really ticks me off. They will get the $50.00 cash and spend it on whatever while their babies don't have diapers, formula, food. :mad:

[Snyder_TigerFan]

Originally posted by smustangs
you didnt get screwed you chose your career path not the govt or anyone else. you could have done a lot of other things to make a lot more money so thats your own fault

I gotta agree. Before I went to college, I did the research to figure out what I wanted to do for a living, average salaries, hours, etc. I can't gripe about my job one bit because I chose it. I do, however, have the right to change jobs or go back to school if I see fit or if the money is not right.

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by Snyder_TigerFan
Me likes. Random piss testing those who receive government assistance!:thumbsup: Oh, but then we would be invading their rights.:rolleyes: Sounds Great to me!! Lets make the "poor" farmer who gets government subsidy to take one too. Im all for it.!! Heck I have to take one 2 times a year. Heck lets test everyone!! if the flunk they lose the individual tax deduction ..:D

[smustangs]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Sounds Great to me!! Lets make the "poor" farmer who gets government subsidy to take one too. Im all for it.!! Heck I have to take one 2 times a year. Heck lets test everyone!! if the flunk they lose the individual tax deduction ..:D

sounds good to me, best suggestion youve had all day :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by Darren
But you would have to admit that the greater majority of benefits such as welfare, goverment housing and food stamps are given to people that aren't making an effort to provide for themselves.

I would love to see some hard evidence of this... I doubt you can show me true hard concrete evidence of this....

[Blastoderm55]

Originally posted by AP Panther Fan
This goes on all the time and it really ticks me off. They will get the $50.00 cash and spend it on whatever while their babies don't have diapers, formula, food. :mad:

Personally, I think it has more to do with the ridiculous amount of money that is put on those Lone Star cards. You see families of four get like $600 a month for food! That's crazy. And it can be spend on ANY non-hot food. Its should be just like WIC. ONLY the essentials, and only GENERIC brands. If I have to put up with the stinky preservatives, so should those on welfare. :mad:

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by smustangs
sounds good to me, best suggestion youve had all day :clap: :clap: :clap:

Amen!!

[smustangs]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
I would love to see some hard evidence of this... I doubt you can show me true hard concrete evidence of this....


can you providence evidence that it isnt happening?

[Darren]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
I would love to see some hard evidence of this... I doubt you can show me true hard concrete evidence of this....

All you need to do is look..... It's not very hard to find.

[Darren]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Your right. the one I am in is one of the very few that does not reward long hours and hard work with a huge paycheck....:rolleyes:


Sounds like you are working very hard at your job right now.

[Phil C]

Originally posted by Blastoderm55
This welfare issue is hitting a nerve right now. All the housing in the area is Section 8, meaning welfare recipients get dibs on vacancies, free cable-phone-internet, reduced priced utilities and rent, vehicle stipend, etc. Meanwhile, my fiancee and I make too much to even live at most of these apartments, and must resort to living in a slum with the rest of the people who actually work for a living. I'm all for helping my fellow man, but time limits need to be implemented so that this abuse can be ended. I survived thanks to welfare while my mother got her degree, so I'm not for doing away with the system. I just think it needs to be tweaked. Drastically.

The sad thing is that people who need to be on wellfare can't get on it such as me.

:(

[AP Panther Fan]

Originally posted by Blastoderm55
Personally, I think it has more to do with the ridiculous amount of money that is put on those Lone Star cards. You see families of four get like $600 a month for food! That's crazy. And it can be spend on ANY non-hot food. Its should be just like WIC. ONLY the essentials, and only GENERIC brands. If I have to put up with the stinky preservatives, so should those on welfare. :mad:


I agree to an extent...these folks should be eating better than my family of 5 if that is a fairly accurate amount on the LoneStar card...:mad:

I will tell you though, I have turned a total stranger down at a convenience store that asked me to let them pay for my purchase with their card if I would turn around and give them cash. As a matter of fact, it upset me so badly I was shaking by the time I got home. These types of things affect me profoundly!

[Phil C]

Originally posted by AP Panther Fan
This conversation reminded me of an e-mail I received yesterday, so I thought I would share.....

Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job.
I work, they pay me.
I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as they see fit.
In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test.
This, I have no problem with.
What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who
don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check or any kind of "unearned" government assistance?
After all, I have to pass one to earn it for them?
Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on
their feet.
I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit
on their butt.
Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to
pass a urine test to get a public assistance check.

SHOW SOME COMPASSION!!

:mad:

[AP Panther Fan]

Originally posted by Phil C
SHOW SOME COMPASSION!!

:mad:


Lol...I have every confidence that you would pass the urine test....;)

[Phil C]

Originally posted by Darren
Sure all people that are on welfare aren't lazy or drug addicts. Just as all people that are rich aren't wicked, lazy or drug addicts. But you would have to admit that the greater majority of benefits such as welfare, goverment housing and food stamps are given to people that aren't making an effort to provide for themselves.

EX.... People effected by Katrina that are still getting government housing, food, and monetary support. Some still don't have jobs (without plans to secure one) and cry everytime there is anything mentioned about discontinuing any of these services.

Now let's -

BE POLITICALLY CORRECT!!

:mad:

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Darren
Sounds like you are working very hard at your job right now.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

That was a good one!!

On that note, I am gone for the day. I hope I can leave this thread open and unattended...but alas, I fear when I get home this afternoon, it will be locked and maybe even moved from the main board!!

[smustangs]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

That was a good one!!

On that note, I am gone for the day. I hope I can leave this thread open and unattended...but alas, I fear when I get home this afternoon, it will be locked and maybe even moved from the main board!!

now none of us would ever lead a thread to that you know better haha

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
thats right!! I got screwed though. I work Long hard hours and stay off of drugs but im not rich.. But Im sure it works for everyone else. Only the Lazy drug using bums have to take public assistance. I just wonder how hard paris hilton works to have all that money to spend like she does. Im sure she is drug free too.;)
The World Bank's standard of poverty is $2 a day or less. That's roughly $520 a year considering someone is working five days a week. The poverty line here in the US is currently at around $10k a year for a single-person household, $23k a year for a family of five.

I've actually lived well under the poverty line (I didn't even make $7k per year) for a while and still do. I've only recently (the past year and a half) asked for government assistance, and only so I can get through school before I start collecting a pension. I currently live in government-assisted housing, work up at the college, and even I think that the system needs TONS of reform. No, I don't collect welfare or food stamps. No, I don't get much help from mom and dad, except for gas when I decide to drive down to Corpus to see them. I use the grants that I get (about $2k-$3k a year) and take out loans to make it through. I'm living in the middle of this mess the government calls welfare, a 27-year old returning student struggling to make it through school, and even I think it needs to be reformed. Badly.

You're a teacher, right? At least I thought you were... may be wrong. I know you have a high-stress, low-pay job, but I don't want to hear complaints about how little you make. I've known teachers who've taken their teaching degrees into other fields and made great money. One guy I know is a store manager at a Super Wal-Mart in Cypress (I'm sure he makes six digits), while another's a boat salesman making roughly $70k a year. You're not limited by your situation.

Likewise, I don't complain about my situation. I just deal with it and move on. Unfortunately, most of the people in my apartment complex, in the same situation, don't. There are MANY people who have lived here for over a decade and are only in their 30's. They don't go to school. The ones who actually work don't do much. Maybe 20-30 hours a week.

Granted, there are tons of college students here (I live directly across the street from the SHSU campus), but the majority of people, primarily middle-aged folks, who get this assistance seem to have absolutely zero direction in life. They just want to leech off society.

You know, it's been a while since I took this Poli Sci class, but we studied a guy back in the 18th century who wrote something along the lines that a republic will only be effective until the less-fortunate majority realizes they can force the government to bend to their will. I forget the exact quote and the author these days, but he was directly referring to this kind of situation. When people who don't want to do anything for themselves finally band together to force legislation on Capitol Hill, it'll be a scary day.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against the system. I think it's great that guys who get laid off, families who just need some food and shelter until they can right their ship, and poor ol' college students like me can make things happen thanks to the government. But when that help becomes a crutch that you can't seem to break from, there's a problem.

[Blastoderm55]

Originally posted by Phil C
The sad thing is that people who need to be on wellfare can't get on it such as me.

:(

Yes Phil, those who truly need it are shunned. A customer of mine worked as the provider for a prominent elderly woman locally. She was at her side for the last 12 years of her life, and when the lady passed away last year, my customer found herself out of a job, while still needing an income to feed her family which consisted of herself along with husband and young son.

She applied for temporary assistance.

She qualified to receive $10 monthly in welfare benefits.

:rolleyes:

[Bullaholic]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Sounds Great to me!! Lets make the "poor" farmer who gets government subsidy to take one too. Im all for it.!! Heck I have to take one 2 times a year. Heck lets test everyone!! if the flunk they lose the individual tax deduction ..:D

I'd bet my last nickel that 95% of the farmers would pass the test---100% of the ones over 60.

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by olddawggreen
Father-Daughter Talk

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so
many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal
Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch
Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures
that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a
professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil,
selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.


One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher
taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare
programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her
professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.
He responded by asking how she was doing in school.


Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA,
and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she
was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying,
which left her no time to go out and party like other people she
knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really
have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.


Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?"


She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy
classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so
popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always
invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show
up for classes because she's too hung over."


Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's
office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GP A and give it to your
friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and
certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."


The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily
fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my
grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey
has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I
worked my tail off!"


The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently,
"Welcome to the Republican Party."

You know what I find funny? How many support the Republican platform because they believe it is "conservative" and "moralistic," saying that Democrats or liberals are wrong for supporting public welfare and programs that are made for the benefit of American citizens. Well, I say this, how can anyone who considers themselves a Conservative Republican not support welfare programs? I ask this because every person I have ever met who considered themselves Conservative is in opposition of legalized abortion. What's the difference between aborting and killing an unborn child and starving a child to death who has already been born because you were too greedy to do the right thing? Isn't it the same thing? I would say that it's just as bad, if not worse, because negligent homicide of our youth caused by our own greed led to the demise of a starving human being.

[Bullaholic]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
You know what I find funny? How many support the Republican platform because they believe it is "conservative" and "moralistic," saying that Democrats or liberals are wrong for supporting public welfare and programs that are made for the benefit of American citizens. Well, I say this, how can anyone who considers themselves a Conservative Republican not support welfare programs? I ask this because every person I have ever met who considered themselves Conservative is in opposition of legalized abortion. What's the difference between aborting and killing an unborn child and starving a child to death who has already been born because you were too greedy to do the right thing? Isn't it the same thing? I would say that it's just as bad, if not worse, because negligent homicide of our youth caused by our own greed led to the demise of a starving human being.

Oh my.....Abortion and politics both in the SAME thread----only you could do this BBDE. :D

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by Bullaholic
I'd bet my last nickel that 95% of the farmers would pass the test---100% of the ones over 60. Great!! then we should do it.;) Look I have see many acusation of abuse and even hear people say that MOST of the welfare recipiants are fraudulent.... Prove it... BTW. I dont have to prove the opposite.. Im not saying the opposite ... your saying something. Provide hard data to prove what your saying. otherwise its and OPINION.;)

[Bullaholic]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Great!! then we should do it.;) Look I have see many acusation of abuse and even hear people say that MOST of the welfare recipiants are fraudulent.... Prove it... BTW. I dont have to prove the opposite.. Im not saying the opposite ... your saying something. Provide hard data to prove what your saying. otherwise its and OPINION.;)

Well, Blackie, it has been my experience that folks value some people's opinions over some folks' "facts". It is popular for a lot of people to consider their opinions as facts----I don't happen to be one of those.

[ASUFrisbeeStud]

I'm guessing all the Mods are at lunch or this would have gotten closed a while back.

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
You know what I find funny? How many support the Republican platform because they believe it is "conservative" and "moralistic," saying that Democrats or liberals are wrong for supporting public welfare and programs that are made for the benefit of American citizens. Well, I say this, how can anyone who considers themselves a Conservative Republican not support welfare programs? I ask this because every person I have ever met who considered themselves Conservative is in opposition of legalized abortion. What's the difference between aborting and killing an unborn child and starving a child to death who has already been born because you were too greedy to do the right thing? Isn't it the same thing? I would say that it's just as bad, if not worse, because negligent homicide of our youth caused by our own greed led to the demise of a starving human being. I don't think anyone on here is saying do away with welfare completely. What people are saying is that it needs to be overhauled. It's a complete mess as it stands today.

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
You know what I find funny? How many support the Republican platform because they believe it is "conservative" and "moralistic," saying that Democrats or liberals are wrong for supporting public welfare and programs that are made for the benefit of American citizens. Well, I say this, how can anyone who considers themselves a Conservative Republican not support welfare programs? I ask this because every person I have ever met who considered themselves Conservative is in opposition of legalized abortion. What's the difference between aborting and killing an unborn child and starving a child to death who has already been born because you were too greedy to do the right thing? Isn't it the same thing? I would say that it's just as bad, if not worse, because negligent homicide of our youth caused by our own greed led to the demise of a starving human being.
Gary, I think you're stretching it a bit there. It's kind of like the person who sues Remington because their kid got shot with a .12 gauge.

I'm a firm believer in placing blame squarely where the blame lies. If your kid was shot in malice, blame the murderer. If your kid was shot because he was breaking into someone's house, blame your kid. Don't blame the gun manufacturer, the murderer's family (or the homeowner's family), the government, and TV for doing it.

That starving kid's parents had tons of opportunities to change things. They had much more control over that kid's life than I do. But since we're finding places to place blame, let's blame ourselves for all the starving kids in Sudan and Ethiopia while we're at it. We can also look in the mirror for the reasons people are being murdered everyday in Sudan and Colombia. And just for good measure, let's blame ourselves for all those years of Apartheid government in South Africa. That was all your fault, Gary.

It's not a Republican/Democrat issue. Believe it or not, many Dems want reform as well. They just can't seem to come up with anything that wouldn't alienate them from their constituents (remember how Clinton pushed welfare reform as a "bipartisan" gesture in the mid-90's, then put the responsibilities of that reform squarely on the shoulders of the Repulican Congress, most notably Newt Gingrich?). That's why we don't have reform.

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by big daddy russ
It's not a Republican/Democrat issue. Believe it or not, many Dems want reform as well. They just can't seem to come up with anything that wouldn't alienate them from their constituents (remember how Clinton pushed welfare reform as a "bipartisan" gesture in the mid-90's, then put the responsibilities of that reform squarely on the shoulders of the Repulican Congress, most notably Newt Gingrich?). That's why we don't have reform. Wow! Good memory. I had completely forgotten about that.

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by Bullaholic
Well, Blackie, it has been my experience that folks value some people's opinions over some folks' "facts". It is popular for a lot of people to consider their opinions as facts----I don't happen to be one of those. I understand that. some just want to believe what they want regardless of FACTS presented to them. Some value FACTS over some oppinion because it represents Truths rather than hopes or wishes.;)

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
Wow! Good memory. I had completely forgotten about that.
I just studied it last year in one of my classes. Not much memory to it on my part. ;)

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by big daddy russ
Gary, I think you're stretching it a bit there. It's kind of like the person who sues Remington because their kid got shot with a .12 gauge.

I'm a firm believer in placing blame squarely where the blame lies. If your kid was shot in malice, blame the murderer. If your kid was shot because he was breaking into someone's house, blame your kid. Don't blame the gun manufacturer, the murderer's family (or the homeowner's family), the government, and TV for doing it.

That kid's parents had tons of opportunities to change things. They had much more control over that kid's life than I do. But since we're finding places to place blame, let's blame ourselves for all the starving kids in Sudan and Ethiopia while we're at it. We can also look in the mirror for the reasons people are being murdered everyday in Sudan and Colombia. And just for good measure, let's blame ourselves for all those years of Apartheid government in South Africa. That was all your fault, Gary.

It's not a Republican/Democrat issue. Believe it or not, many Dems want reform as well. They just can't seem to come up with anything that wouldn't alienate them from their constituents (remember how Clinton pushed welfare reform as a "bipartisan" gesture in the mid-90's, then put the responsibilities of that reform squarely on the shoulders of the Repulican Congress, most notably Newt Gingrich?). That's why we don't have reform.

Yes, I was stretching it purposely and purposefully (if that's a word) because the same argument that I was attacking was doing the exact same thing.

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
I don't think anyone on here is saying do away with welfare completely. What people are saying is that it needs to be overhauled. It's a complete mess as it stands today. tax system needs to as well. Loop holes need to be closed that allow wealthy to gip the american people out of funds that should be payed to the american people.

[smustangs]

Originally posted by ASUFrisbeeStud
I'm guessing all the Mods are at lunch or this would have gotten closed a while back.

ya i give it a couple hours and this one is done haha

[smustangs]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Yes, I was stretching it purposely and purposefully (if that's a word) because the same argument that I was attacking was doing the exact same thing.

its not stretching to say some ppl abuse well fare. thats all some of us are saying not everyone and that it should be done away w/. I have no problem helpin my fellow man get on his feet again i understand some ppl suffer hard times but i dot have a problem helping a man who dosent have a job and dosent want one becuase they know i will get up everyday and go to work and pay my taxes so they dont have to.

[Bullaholic]

IMO, as long as things don't get personal or out of hand---I've got no problem with it. "Blackie and BBDE vs the World" is usually more entertaining than a lot of other topics. :D

[themsu97]

my question is, why do we have a tax return or filing... if you have a job and they take out taxes... why should I have to file anything? the government takes it out of my check based on what I make... what else is there to it?
I enjoy getting the money back but...
all these systems are antiquated and need to be adjusted, and Big daddy, great recall and that must be one heck of a class

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
tax system needs to as well. Loop holes need to be closed that allow wealthy to gip the american people out of funds that should be payed to the american people. I agree completely. That's why I'm for a flat tax. Everybody pays the same amount. Stop all the deductions.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by ASUFrisbeeStud
I'm guessing all the Mods are at lunch or this would have gotten closed a while back.

I'm just gonna let ya'll go on & on. Obviously ya'll don't have anything else to do.

[Darren]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
You know what I find funny? How many support the Republican platform because they believe it is "conservative" and "moralistic," saying that Democrats or liberals are wrong for supporting public welfare and programs that are made for the benefit of American citizens. Well, I say this, how can anyone who considers themselves a Conservative Republican not support welfare programs? I ask this because every person I have ever met who considered themselves Conservative is in opposition of legalized abortion. What's the difference between aborting and killing an unborn child and starving a child to death who has already been born because you were too greedy to do the right thing? Isn't it the same thing? I would say that it's just as bad, if not worse, because negligent homicide of our youth caused by our own greed led to the demise of a starving human being.

Wow thats a stretch..

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by smustangs
its not stretching to say some ppl abuse well fare. thats all some of us are saying not everyone and that it should be done away w/. I have no problem helpin my fellow man get on his feet again i understand some ppl suffer hard times but i dot have a problem helping a man who dosent have a job and dosent want one becuase they know i will get up everyday and go to work and pay my taxes so they dont have to.

Yes, and large scale corporations abuse the tax system, lie to investors, and fudge numbers, but the government still gives them grants and does its best to help them stay afloat because it is for the benefit of society. I don't see anyone on here complaining about that. Trust me though, the way you feel is shared by everyone, including me, but too many people are anti-welfare and I think that is wrong.

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Yes, and large scale corporations abuse the tax system, lie to investors, and fudge numbers, but the government still gives them grants and does its best to help them stay afloat because it is for the benefit of society. I don't see anyone on here complaining about that. Trust me though, the way you feel is shared by everyone, including me, but too many people are anti-welfare and I think that is wrong. TRUE

[themsu97]

but like Russ said... that is a politician thing. like I said earlier, where there is money, there is corruption and abuse and politicians are in the middle, from both parties...
oil and gas prices anyone?

[Darren]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
I would love to see some hard evidence of this... I doubt you can show me true hard concrete evidence of this....

This article sould give you some hard evidence. I do not agree with some of the ideals of this article but it does have some interesting facts.

Such as---

Dependence. Nearly 65 percent of the people on welfare at any given time will be on the program for eight years or longer. Moreover, welfare is increasingly intergenerational. Children raised in families on welfare are seven times more likely to become dependent on welfare than are other children.




http://www.cato.org/pubs/handbook/hb105-25.html

[JasperDog94]

Long term welfare is a huge problem. It promotes the idea of "Why work for it when I can get it for free?"

[smustangs]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Yes, and large scale corporations abuse the tax system, lie to investors, and fudge numbers, but the government still gives them grants and does its best to help them stay afloat because it is for the benefit of society. I don't see anyone on here complaining about that. Trust me though, the way you feel is shared by everyone, including me, but too many people are anti-welfare and I think that is wrong.

This is true and i am not anti-welfare either i just like most on here think it could use some reforms. The problem with that stance is, what reforms and how, which is what know one has figured out yet.

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
too many people are anti-welfare and I think that is wrong. so many people are so anti-welfare because republicans have portrayed it to be such a waste because the give the false impresion that most cheat the system. Of course people cheat the system as they do every system. but to demonize that particular group when corporate welfare and fraud is commited on larger scales and dealing with BILLIONS of dollars as compared to Millions of dollars is stupid.

[BuffyMars]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
You guys are right. ALL those people on public assistance are lazy drug taking worthless bums!! They should strive to be more like ALL the people who are rich and make tons of money and work long hard hours and stay off of drugs!!:thumbsup:

This angers me. Why?!?! Because upon graduating from college I apparently did not have enough experience to work in my field, and the best job I could find to build "experience" was making $8.34/hr. In Tyler, Texas! Does anyone know what the standard of living is there?

Our apartment (which was one of the cheaper ones), was $584/month. That doesn't count every other bill we had, including school loans, etc.

We could not qualify for food stamps! Milk was a luxery in our house lemme tell you.

Needless to say, we eventually moved from Tyler. THANK GOD!

And no one said ALL on food stamps were lazy and drug addicts, but you failed to notice that alot are. And THOSE people are the ones who anger us for abusing the system, because there are other people who could really use it without abusing it.

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
so many people are so anti-welfare because republicans have portrayed it to be such a waste because the give the false impresion that most cheat the system. Of course people cheat the system as they do every system. but to demonize that particular group when corporate welfare and fraud is commited on larger scales and dealing with BILLIONS of dollars as compared to Millions of dollars is stupid. If you believe that welfare fraud is only in the millions then you are deluding yourself.

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by BuffyMars
And no one said ALL on food stamps were lazy and drug addicts, but you failed to notice that alot are. UH.... Lets back track a little. What do you think this is saying??
"Father-Daughter Talk

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so
many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal
Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch
Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures
that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a
professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil,
selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.


One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher
taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare
programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her
professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.
He responded by asking how she was doing in school.


Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA,
and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she
was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying,
which left her no time to go out and party like other people she
knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really
have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.


Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?"


She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy
classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so
popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always
invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show
up for classes because she's too hung over."


Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's
office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GP A and give it to your
friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and
certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."


The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily
fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my
grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey
has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I
worked my tail off!"


The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently,
"Welcome to the Republican Party."

________________________________________________

SOUNDS LIKE THATS WHAT HE IS IMPLYING IN THIS LITTLE STORY...

[Hansum Stranger]

If your job isn't paying you enough, find a part time job to help out. I've worked 3 jobs bofore to make ends meet. It's not fun, but I can say what I have, I EARNED. I want my kids to see someone who isn't afraid to work for what they need, not see someone complaining about just getting by of looking for handouts.

[mistanice]

Originally posted by themsu97
my question is, why do we have a tax return or filing... if you have a job and they take out taxes... why should I have to file anything? the government takes it out of my check based on what I make... what else is there to it?
I enjoy getting the money back but...
all these systems are antiquated and need to be adjusted, and Big daddy, great recall and that must be one heck of a class

it's totally voluntary. there's no actual law that specifically says we have to do it.

[Darren]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
so many people are so anti-welfare because republicans have portrayed it to be such a waste because the give the false impresion that most cheat the system. Of course people cheat the system as they do every system. but to demonize that particular group when corporate welfare and fraud is commited on larger scales and dealing with BILLIONS of dollars as compared to Millions of dollars is stupid.


Try this number out for size.....

Since the start of the War on Poverty in 1965, the United States has spent more than $5.4 trillion trying to ease the plight of the poor.

[olddawggreen]

Dependence. Nearly 65 percent of the people on welfare at any given time will be on the program for eight years or longer. Moreover, welfare is increasingly intergenerational. Children raised in families on welfare are seven times more likely to become dependent on welfare than are other children.


That has everything to do with how they are raised and what standards and beliefs are passed down to them.

Why didn't I sign up for unemployment benefits the number of times that I found myself unemployed?

Because I was too busy looking for another job to go stand in the unemployment line.

Because I was raised to work hard and look out for myself.

Because I was taught that there are truely people that need help, and that as long as I had my health and could work hard, I wasn't one of them, and shouldn't be taking away from those that were truely needy.

Folks, there has been a lot of discussion over my original post here. It wasn't really my intention to attack or promote either political parties as much as it was intended to attack the frame of mind of those that believe more taxes and more wellfare and hand outs are a good thing. Except for those associated with the extreem left or extreem right politically, I think we are all pretty much the same.
Most people, wether they consider themselves conservative or liberal, truely care about the well being of others. Having been raised by a single mom I know first hand there are times when you just need a little help to get headed in the right direction. In our case, that help came from my Grand Parents, not the government. There was nothing fancy about the way I grew up, but I learned to work hard for what I had. While I didn't have a lot growing up, I didn't really think about it that much, because growing up in a rural area, we all shared the same value of hard work.

I have had the opportunity to see the results of a wellfare system that passes out money to those that could make it on their own, but that have basicly been taught that they dont have to work because the government owes them a living. I've seen families that are on wellfare generation after generation, with no plans, and no hope of ever breaking the cycle. And I truely believe that this is a crime.
__________________

[EricDraven]

The original story was humorous. The debate over welfare, etc. is just a continual debate that will rage on as long as there is society. There will always be those in genuine need of help, those willing to give it, and those taking advantage of it.

As far as politicians go, no matter their affiliation, few really care about the people. They care their own wealth, power, and ideologies.

[Blastoderm55]

Originally posted by Darren
Try this number out for size.....

Since the start of the War on Poverty in 1965, the United States has spent more than $5.4 trillion trying to ease the plight of the poor.

Better spent there than in Iraq.

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by Blastoderm55
Better spent there than in Iraq. And here's where we jumped the shark. We just can't have an intelligent debate going for long before someone brings up Iraq.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by olddawggreen
I've seen families that are on wellfare generation after generation, with no plans, and no hope of ever breaking the cycle. And I truely believe that this is a crime.
__________________ ...see New Orleans...

[Blastoderm55]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
And here's where we jumped the shark. We just can't have an intelligent debate going for long before someone brings up Iraq.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

:D

[mistanice]

so it's been a while since i've seen/read the news, how's the war going?

[Hansum Stranger]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
And here's where we jumped the shark. We just can't have an intelligent debate going for long before someone brings up Iraq.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And ususally it's the same person.

[Blastoderm55]

Originally posted by mistanice
so it's been a while since i've seen/read the news, how's the war going?

I'm not sure anyone really knows. All I know is that we are darn sure gonna stay the course. :D

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
so many people are so anti-welfare because republicans have portrayed it to be such a waste because the give the false impresion that most cheat the system. Of course people cheat the system as they do every system. but to demonize that particular group when corporate welfare and fraud is commited on larger scales and dealing with BILLIONS of dollars as compared to Millions of dollars is stupid.
It's not Republicans that have portrayed it that way, it's just Republicans who have been advocating welfare change the most openly.

Like I said, I could easily qualify for welfare, but the only welfare I take is government-subsidized living and school grants. Furthermore, I'm actually studying political science so I'd like to think that I'm pretty knowledgeable on this subject. The thing you've got to realize is that we spend MUCH more money on public welfare than corporations get out of due to tax fraud. And the estimates aren't even close (I'll see if I can't find them on the internet somewhere).

You seem like you favor a more lenient and giving policy when it comes to welfare, but from the inside looking out (and with a completely non-biased view here) I'll be the first to tell you that it's a horrible idea. If anything, we need to cut back government assistance. And we need to do it by quite a bit.

I honestly like most of the people I live with. They're great people down deep inside, but they've been given a crutch to lean on and that crutch has been supporting them for far too long. If anything, cut back assistance to singles with no kids and invest it in child care for single or working mothers. Also, shorten the amount of time that we're willing to give out welfare and government-assisted living, unless we're dealing with a single mother/father or the elderly.

There are tons of things that need to be done, and we could save tons of money by doing it. Unfortunately, the people who are currently taking all this money have become accustomed to taking and have adopted it as a lifestyle.

Honestly, I could care less if the government takes money away from me and spends it somewhere else. On health care or fixing social security or the budget defecit, wherever. Just make it count. Stop giving handouts and people will stop expecting them.

And please, don't try to tell me that there are more cokehead farmers than cokeheads in the projects. No, I don't have facts on me, but a quick look around should be plenty of proof.

[mistanice]

Originally posted by Blastoderm55
I'm not sure anyone really knows. All I know is that we are darn sure gonna stay the course. :D
lol :clap:

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by olddawggreen
That has everything to do with how they are raised and what standards and beliefs are passed down to them.

Why didn't I sign up for unemployment benefits the number of times that I found myself unemployed?

Because I was too busy looking for another job to go stand in the unemployment line.

Because I was raised to work hard and look out for myself.

Because I was taught that there are truely people that need help, and that as long as I had my health and could work hard, I wasn't one of them, and shouldn't be taking away from those that were truely needy.

Folks, there has been a lot of discussion over my original post here. It wasn't really my intention to attack or promote either political parties as much as it was intended to attack the frame of mind of those that believe more taxes and more wellfare and hand outs are a good thing. Except for those associated with the extreem left or extreem right politically, I think we are all pretty much the same.
Most people, wether they consider themselves conservative or liberal, truely care about the well being of others. Having been raised by a single mom I know first hand there are times when you just need a little help to get headed in the right direction. In our case, that help came from my Grand Parents, not the government. There was nothing fancy about the way I grew up, but I learned to work hard for what I had. While I didn't have a lot growing up, I didn't really think about it that much, because growing up in a rural area, we all shared the same value of hard work.

I have had the opportunity to see the results of a wellfare system that passes out money to those that could make it on their own, but that have basicly been taught that they dont have to work because the government owes them a living. I've seen families that are on wellfare generation after generation, with no plans, and no hope of ever breaking the cycle. And I truely believe that this is a crime.
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ODG said it a lot better than I ever could have.

[Darren]

Originally posted by Blastoderm55
Better spent there than in Iraq.

Good point... I was just trying to show that more that a few million are spent on welfare....

[mistanice]

Great Moments in Presidential Speeches (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvsS0d41DLE)

[Blastoderm55]

Originally posted by Darren
Good point... I was just trying to show that more that a few million are spent on welfare....

No explanation needed. I was just pointing out how our government wastes money elsewhere. If given the choice, I'd much rather waste money here than there. Of course, eliminating all the wastefulness would be peachy, but that'll never happen. :(

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
MAN!! thats a great lesson!!! Because everyone knows that the only people in this country that are having a hard time making ends meet are the ones who are lazy.... The ones who work the hardest make the most money.. Its a good thing that ALL hard work is rewarded by multi million dollar rewards.... Dang lazy folks:dispntd: ;)
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Seriously dude...
I think you could become rich if you would work as hard as you do defending your antiquated leftist ideas.:p :D

[Ingleside Fan]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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Seriously dude...
I think you could become rich if you would work as hard as you do defending your antiquated leftist ideas.:p :D :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[BullFrog Dad]

Originally posted by olddawggreen
Father-Daughter Talk

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so
many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal
Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch
Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures
that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a
professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil,
selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.


One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher
taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare
programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her
professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.
He responded by asking how she was doing in school.


Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA,
and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she
was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying,
which left her no time to go out and party like other people she
knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really
have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.


Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?"


She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy
classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so
popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always
invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show
up for classes because she's too hung over."


Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's
office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GP A and give it to your
friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and
certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."


The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily
fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my
grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey
has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I
worked my tail off!"


The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently,
"Welcome to the Republican Party." Maybe I can be of some help to settle all this childish bickering. The Father/Daughter story, it's Urban Legend. Never Happened. Now everyone make up and get back to work, collecting welfare, planting crops, taking drugs, and living the good life.

[Blastoderm55]

Originally posted by BullFrog Dad
Maybe I can be of some help to settle all this childish bickering. The Father/Daughter story, it's Urban Legend. Never Happened. Now everyone make up and get back to work, collecting welfare, planting crops, taking drugs, and living the good life.

:eek:

You beat me to the Snopes rebuttal. :p

[Darren]

One other figure that I pulled off the internet...

Black magic you wanted numbers here they are.......


Conservatively welfare abuse amounts to $1 billion a year. I believe the real figure is over $2 billion. That is a mind-boggling amount of money.

[STANG RED]

Originally posted by Blastoderm55
I think the funniest abuse of the system is what my dad does with some of his employees. They need cash, so they'll buy him $100 worth of name-brand, high dollar groceries. We're talking huge packs of fajitas, REAL Coke, awesome deli meats. You get the picture.

In return, he gives them $50 cash.

Now that's capitalism folks! :D

No, thats called FRAUD, and his butt should be thrown in the clink for it.:mad:

[Blastoderm55]

Sure is, but good luck proving it. Seems to be the common mentality. :D