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SwtwtrMstngs04
03-10-2007, 07:37 PM
SWEETWATER, Texas (Reuters) - When Chris Soles says he works in a snake pit, he's not kidding.

The lanky Texan stands among hundreds of slithering rattlesnakes and prods them with special tongs that allow him to snatch the reptiles at arm's length.

"I'm sorting out the dead snakes," said Soles, wearing protective pants as he occasionally picks up a lifeless rattler from the bundle and throws it into a bucket outside the pit.

The snakes are caught during the annual rattlesnake roundup in Sweetwater, Texas, which this town 200 miles west of Dallas bills as the biggest in the world.

The three-day event, which ends on Sunday, includes a rattlesnake-eating contest.

The roundup rattles ecologists but locals see it as a boon for drawing up to 30,000 visitors. Farmers say it helps control a pest that occasionally maims or kills livestock.

Nothing is wasted, the organizers say, with the skins made into belts, the meat sold as a delicacy and the venom "milked" for sale to pharmaceutical companies.

But scientists raise ecological and ethical concerns.

"There's no glory in rattlesnake hunting," said Lee Fitzgerald, an associate professor and curator of amphibians and reptiles at Texas A&M University.

Hunters scour the arid landscape for snake dens, into which they pump gas fumes to drive them out. Then they snatch them with the tongs.

Hunters say the fumes have minimal ecological impact but many scientists disagree.

"It's an unethical way to hunt and it harms other animals such as scorpions and rodents," said Fitzgerald.

SUSTAINABLE HUNT?

The specific species targeted around Sweetwater is the western diamondback rattlesnake.

Data provided by the organizers shows the amount harvested each year, as measured in pounds, has fluctuated wildly, sometimes in response to the price of snake meat.

Last year, the roundup yielded more than 13,000 pounds (5,910 kg) of meat, probably representing about 7,000 snakes. The record set in 1982 was almost 18,000 pounds (8,180 kg).

Both totals far exceed those of early roundups almost five decades ago, suggesting the hunt may be sustainable but that the long-term consequences are unknown.

The dim view of snake roundups from the American Society of Ichthyologists and Herpetologists was spelled out clearly in a position paper last year.

"The biological ramifications of decades of rattlesnake roundups are difficult to assess, but they have great potential to affect snake populations negatively, and it is difficult to predict when rattlesnake harvests will push local populations beyond the point of recovery," it said.

The society also raised ethical issues.

"Snakes are handled roughly and are decapitated and butchered in large numbers in front of an audience, including small children, as entertainment. It is hard to imagine subjecting any other vertebrate animal to such thoughtless and inhumane treatment."

The roundup is vintage Texas, from its claim to being the biggest of its kind to its unabashed celebration of the hunt.

In Sweetwater, ecological or moral objections are brushed aside as overblown or just plain crazy.

"We don't hardly put a dent into the population," said one cowboy as he prepared to tuck into some freshly fried snake. "More are killed on the road every year."

bullfrog_alumni_02
03-10-2007, 09:28 PM
i think the snake hunt is good. but whatever. im not one of those hoity-toity-peta-people. if we werent supposed to be able to do something, we would have never been able to do it. flying for instance, man was thought it was never meant to fly and if it were we'd have been born with the wings of a bird. however, we fly more today than ever before, despite the rising prices of the fuel to put the planes in the air. so, if we weren't supposed to kill snakes, we wouldnt have been able to do it in the first place.

JJ7997
03-10-2007, 10:20 PM
PETA : People Eating Tastey Animals.

DU_stud04
03-10-2007, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by JJ7997
PETA : People Eating Tastey Animals. :clap: :clap: :clap:

BILLYFRED0000
03-11-2007, 11:12 AM
I am waiting for the day when they start saying the pest control for cock roaches is affecting the longterm viability of roaches as a species and that humans should step asside and let them take over. Then maybe we could start a roaches for the ethical treatment of humans group. Maybe we should start our own group and call it planetary humans for the ethical racial treatment
of humans. Or PHERT.

LH Panther Mom
03-11-2007, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
PHERT. ROFL!!!! :D I nominate you for president. :clap:

pirate4state
03-11-2007, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
I am waiting for the day when they start saying the pest control for cock roaches is affecting the longterm viability of roaches as a species and that humans should step asside and let them take over. Then maybe we could start a roaches for the ethical treatment of humans group. Maybe we should start our own group and call it planetary humans for the ethical racial treatment of humans. Or PHERT.

PHERT!!!!!!!!!!! ROFL! :D :D :D :clap: :clap:

mustang04
03-11-2007, 11:54 AM
I HATE THOSE PPL!!! "awwwe, there's no glory in killing snakes, blah blah"

well if you think about it..there's no glory in almost any kind of hunting w/ guns nowadays.....where you can shoot large creatures from 1000 yards away....back in the old days they had to get up CLOSE with a spear or rocks or etc...so those stupid ppl can't just single out snake hunting

bullfrog_alumni_02
03-11-2007, 05:53 PM
as i stated before. if we werent meant to do something we would have never stumbled accross the ability to do such. if someone wants to knock us off the top of the food chain, so be it, but they have to do it first. be it that we have guns or pesticide. they have to get over us first. lets just go out on a limb and say we were invaded by brain eating aliens...we might get knocked off the top of the food chain. but baring some supernatural event like that...i doubt it. bottom line, is animals are here for us to eat. they taste good and are the reason we have barbeques. ever tossed a salad over the grill,:D i dont think so.:hand:

JJ7997
03-12-2007, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by bullfrog_alumni_02
as i stated before. if we werent meant to do something we would have never stumbled accross the ability to do such. if someone wants to knock us off the top of the food chain, so be it, but they have to do it first. be it that we have guns or pesticide. they have to get over us first. lets just go out on a limb and say we were invaded by brain eating aliens...we might get knocked off the top of the food chain. but baring some supernatural event like that...i doubt it. bottom line, is animals are here for us to eat. they taste good and are the reason we have barbeques. ever tossed a salad over the grill,:D i dont think so.:hand:

:clap: :clap: :clap:

BTEXDAD
03-12-2007, 10:23 AM
my big problem is not snakes or roaches, but how can we go on killing fire ants like we have been? At the rate we're destroying ants (somewhere in the trillions per year), by the year 2050, we may make a noticeable reduction in the fire ant population, and by that time it may be too late and the fire ant population will be doomed to extinction.

AP Panther Fan
03-12-2007, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by BTEXDAD
my big problem is not snakes or roaches, but how can we go on killing fire ants like we have been? At the rate we're destroying ants (somewhere in the trillions per year), by the year 2050, we may make a noticeable reduction in the fire ant population, and by that time it may be too late and the fire ant population will be doomed to extinction.


LOL...one of God's only mistakes...pesky fireants!;)

Here's to the extinction of fireants!:D

Ranger Mom
03-12-2007, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by bullfrog_alumni_02
as i stated before. if we werent meant to do something we would have never stumbled accross the ability to do such.

I don't think I agree 100% with this statement!!:thinking: :thinking:

Blastoderm55
03-12-2007, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I don't think I agree 100% with this statement!!:thinking: :thinking:

No kidding. We can jump off a skyscraper but that doesn't mean it should be done. Old perverts get their hands on little children, but that sure as hell shouldn't be done. I've got nothing against the rattlesnake roundup, but the logic there is pretty flawed.