Big 12 Champs

[coach]

lets say the longhorns play their best again and beat kansas who gets the number one seed...the aggies beat kansas and so would the longhorns and the ags and honrns beat each other....my question is what is the tiebreaker???

[Funk-d-fied]

old stuff....

with a ut win at kansas and a A&M win, texas gets #1 seed at tourney, A&M is #2 seed no matter what.

[Adidas410s]

Long and short...

Texas wins...they're #1 seed.
Kansas wins...they're #1 seed.
A&M wins over Mizzou...they're #2 seed.
A&M loses over Mizzou...they're #3 seed.

Texas is outright champs with a win and A&M loss
Kansas is outright champs with a win
A&M gets a share of the title if they win and Texas wins

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Funk-d-fied
old stuff....

with a ut win at kansas and a A&M win, texas gets #1 seed at tourney, A&M is #2 seed no matter what.

come on...get it right Funk. A&M COULD lose and be the #3 seed instead ;)

[coach]

how does texas get the num 1 seed over the ags?

[Funk-d-fied]

it's mizzou at Reed on Senior Night.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by coach
how does texas get the num 1 seed over the ags?

fewer losses in the south division (2 losses to a&m and OSU...a&m lost to texas and twice to Tech)

[JJ7997]

Should have taken care of business and beat Tech and we wouldnt even be having this conversation, but its still been one heck of a turnaround for the Ags.

[JR2004]

So how much longer until Billy Clyde gets that big-time job? No matter what they do, or don't do in the tournament, I think he's already positioned himself to land a premier job within the next year or two. If he can win at A&M he can win ANYWHERE.

[FormerBellvilleBrahma]

Originally posted by JR2004
So how much longer until Billy Clyde gets that big-time job? No matter what they do, or don't do in the tournament, I think he's already positioned himself to land a premier job

He has a BIG time job, it with the Texas Aggies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JJ7997]

Originally posted by FormerBellvilleBrahma
He has a BIG time job, it with the Texas Aggies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[KL3]

You guys are wrong. If UT wins and A&M wins, UT is 1 seed, Kansas is 2 seed and A&M is 3 seed.

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by KL3
You guys are wrong. If UT wins and A&M wins, UT is 1 seed, Kansas is 2 seed and A&M is 3 seed.

A&M has the head-to-head over Kansas....

[KL3]

The Big 12 doesn't go by head-to-head in this situation. They go by "in-division" record. A&M's 3 losses in the big 12 have all been to south division teams. Therefore, we are the #3 seed and then it becomes a tie-breaker b/t UT and KU to which UT gets the head to head.

Read the following........


Seeding for the Championship will be based upon regular-season competition. The winner of the postseason basketball championship shall be declared the Big 12 automatic qualifier to the NCAA Championship. A team ineligible under NCAA or Big 12 rules for postseason competition shall not compete in the championship.

The four teams with the best records (based upon winning percentage) in 16 Conference games shall earn first-round byes. After the four teams have been awarded first-round byes and ranked as the No. 1 through No. 4 seeds, all remaining teams will be ranked in order No. 5 through No. 12 for seeding in the championship.

Tiebreakers - The first criteria in the breaking of ties in the standings shall be head-to-head competition of tied teams. The following procedure will be used to establish the championship seeds if ties exist. (For tiebreaking procedures teams will be grouped in two divisions based upon established guidelines. Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Nebraska are in one division and Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech are in the other division.)

(a) If two teams are tied and they are from different divisions, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the higher seed.
(b) If two teams are tied and they are from the same division, the team with an advantage in head-to-head competition shall be the higher seed.
(c) If two teams remain tied, there will be a comparison of overall record against division teams only (10 divisional games).
(d) If two teams remain tied, there will be a comparison of record against the highest ranked team(s) (based upon Conference winning percentage) in the division and proceeding through in order of divisional record.
(e) If two teams remain tied, there will be a *comparison of record against the highest ranked team(s) (based upon Conference winning percentage) in the opposite division and proceeding through in order of divisional record.
(f) If two teams remain tied, the higher seed will be chosen by draw.
(g) If three or more teams are tied, ties among divisional opponents will be broken first by using steps (b) through (f) and the head-to-head results will be used to break ties between non-divisional teams. When three or more teams from the same division are tied step (b) will consist of a mini- round robin among the tied teams. At any point during the process of breaking ties among three or more teams that the number of tied teams are reduced to two, head-to-head competition would be used as the primary tie-breaker, followed-by steps (c) through (f).

Note: When comparing against the "highest ranked team(s)" in either division, the comparison will be based upon how tied teams did against all teams in a given placement, rather than a team that wins a tiebreaker at another position. For example, if two teams are tied for fifth and two teams are tied for first, the head-to-head comparison would be how the fifth place teams did against the first place teams combined, and vice-versa.

Draw - In the event tiebreaking procedures are unsuccessful and a draw is necessary in determining seeding, the following procedure will be used:

(a) The drawing will be conducted in public or with media attendance
(b) Institutions involved in the drawing have the right to have a local representative in attendance at the drawing
(c) A single slip of paper with names representing each of the tied institutions will be placed into a container and will be drawn in order of seeding from highest (#1) to lowest (#12)

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by KL3
The Big 12 doesn't go by head-to-head in this situation. They go by "in-division" record. A&M's 3 losses in the big 12 have all been to south division teams. Therefore, we are the #3 seed and then it becomes a tie-breaker b/t UT and KU to which UT gets the head to head.

Read the following........


Seeding for the Championship will be based upon regular-season competition. The winner of the postseason basketball championship shall be declared the Big 12 automatic qualifier to the NCAA Championship. A team ineligible under NCAA or Big 12 rules for postseason competition shall not compete in the championship.

The four teams with the best records (based upon winning percentage) in 16 Conference games shall earn first-round byes. After the four teams have been awarded first-round byes and ranked as the No. 1 through No. 4 seeds, all remaining teams will be ranked in order No. 5 through No. 12 for seeding in the championship.

Tiebreakers - The first criteria in the breaking of ties in the standings shall be head-to-head competition of tied teams. The following procedure will be used to establish the championship seeds if ties exist. (For tiebreaking procedures teams will be grouped in two divisions based upon established guidelines. Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Nebraska are in one division and Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech are in the other division.)

(a) If two teams are tied and they are from different divisions, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the higher seed.
(b) If two teams are tied and they are from the same division, the team with an advantage in head-to-head competition shall be the higher seed.
(c) If two teams remain tied, there will be a comparison of overall record against division teams only (10 divisional games).
(d) If two teams remain tied, there will be a comparison of record against the highest ranked team(s) (based upon Conference winning percentage) in the division and proceeding through in order of divisional record.
(e) If two teams remain tied, there will be a *comparison of record against the highest ranked team(s) (based upon Conference winning percentage) in the opposite division and proceeding through in order of divisional record.
(f) If two teams remain tied, the higher seed will be chosen by draw.
(g) If three or more teams are tied, ties among divisional opponents will be broken first by using steps (b) through (f) and the head-to-head results will be used to break ties between non-divisional teams. When three or more teams from the same division are tied step (b) will consist of a mini- round robin among the tied teams. At any point during the process of breaking ties among three or more teams that the number of tied teams are reduced to two, head-to-head competition would be used as the primary tie-breaker, followed-by steps (c) through (f).

Note: When comparing against the "highest ranked team(s)" in either division, the comparison will be based upon how tied teams did against all teams in a given placement, rather than a team that wins a tiebreaker at another position. For example, if two teams are tied for fifth and two teams are tied for first, the head-to-head comparison would be how the fifth place teams did against the first place teams combined, and vice-versa.

Draw - In the event tiebreaking procedures are unsuccessful and a draw is necessary in determining seeding, the following procedure will be used:

(a) The drawing will be conducted in public or with media attendance
(b) Institutions involved in the drawing have the right to have a local representative in attendance at the drawing
(c) A single slip of paper with names representing each of the tied institutions will be placed into a container and will be drawn in order of seeding from highest (#1) to lowest (#12)

Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up for me..Man, do I feel stupid now...:doh:

[KL3]

Don't feel stupid, I don't think very many people understood how it worked. I didn't until I looked it up.