One thing I liked about the end of Cowboys game

[Txbroadcaster]

It was good to see some Cowboy players actually looking dejected they lost. After the KC-Colts game it would have been hard to tell who actually won if you saw the post game hugging and laughing.

While I felt terrible for Romo I liked the emotion he showed after the game, you could actually tell he CARED that they lost.

[burnet44]

he is a big reason they played today
i feel for him and bill
not for to and jerry

"die you dallas dogs die"
sam wyche qb washington redskins

[g$$]

I truly felt sorry for Romo. I watched his press conference & he was choked up. No doubt he cared. TO even came across as genuine. It will be interesting in the coming weeks at Valley Ranch for sure. Who stays, who goes...big questions.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by burnet44
he is a big reason they played today
i feel for him and bill
not for to and jerry

"die you dallas dogs die"
sam wyche qb washington redskins

WHY???

Why does there always have to be this TO/Jerry crap??? :rolleyes:

*pulling out my hair*

[g$$]

Originally posted by pirate4state
WHY???

Why does there always have to be this TO/Jerry crap??? :rolleyes:

*pulling out my hair*

Because both Jerry & TO have burned a lot of bridges with old Cowboys' fans. Not trying to argue, but that is the truth.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by g$$
Because both Jerry & TO have burned a lot of bridges with old Cowboys' fans. Not trying to argue, but that is the truth.

lol once agian how have they "burned"bridges? Yes Jerry Jones has made mistakes but he was also the owner when they won 3 SBs. Simple fact, he has more SB than previous regime. You can say Johnson did it all and fine..but who hired Johnson?

Not sure TO has been here long enough or done enough YET to burn bridges. IMO he showed guts playing with finger problems. No less guts than Ken Norton Jr did when he played most a season with a detached muscle in his arm. Now TO wil most likely burn a bridge at some point, but IMO not yet

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by g$$
Because both Jerry & TO have burned a lot of bridges with old Cowboys' fans. Not trying to argue, but that is the truth.


Well, they haven't with this fan and that's the truth!!

[Emerson1]

I wanted to slap the ch. 5 nbc sports reporter in Dallas after the game.

[burnet44]

easy
Ill spell it out for you

1. Dallas was one of the most storied teams in history
2. Jerry comes in and does win with Jimmy
3. like the moron he is he wants to be the focus of the cowboys
4. fires jimmy hires barry who just does what ever so to not screw it up kinda like clinton and the economy
5. has since been "THE FACE" of the boys
6. he being gm and owner is responsible for the success of the team
7. jerry must run the circus be on tv trade and sign druts and say " the cowboys are about winning"
8. he is not a coach has never been a coach will never be a coach
9. you cant win with jerry and the decisions he makes but since he is the owner he runs the show ie keep up the good work jj
10. has signed players that dont help him win like TO it was all about pub and being on tv
11. did you see jerry today? no where was his a$$? coward
12. TO says nice things about Romo like he means it? laughable he doged McNabb but praises Romo he is a drut at heart
13. any one who would fire tom landry would pi$$ on his moms grave imho

jerry has personally run the boys down
HE makes all the decisions
he had a bunch of druts when he won with jimmy
talented but druts
keep up the good work jerry

the boys are still hurting from the quincy thing
another good job jerry
romo did well

jerry is like bidwell in the desert
he just spends money is the difference

no some of you will get on here and say no Im wrong
its ok

1 playoff win in 6 tries
1 win in 10 years
ill take that being wrong

good job jerry
keep it up

fire away
LIC

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by burnet44
fire away
LIC

HEY!!!! That's my LINE!!!

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by burnet44
easy
Ill spell it out for you

1. Dallas was one of the most storied teams in history
2. Jerry comes in and does win with Jimmy
3. like the moron he is he wants to be the focus of the cowboys
4. fires jimmy hires barry who just does what ever so to not screw it up kinda like clinton and the economy
5. has since been "THE FACE" of the boys
6. he being gm and owner is responsible for the success of the team
7. jerry must run the circus be on tv trade and sign druts and say " the cowboys are about winning"
8. he is not a coach has never been a coach will never be a coach
9. you cant win with jerry and the decisions he makes but since he is the owner he runs the show ie keep up the good work jj
10. has signed players that dont help him win like TO it was all about pub and being on tv
11. did you see jerry today? no where was his a$$? coward
12. TO says nice things about Romo like he means it? laughable he doged McNabb but praises Romo he is a drut at heart
13. any one who would fire tom landry would pi$$ on his moms grave imho

jerry has personally run the boys down
HE makes all the decisions
he had a bunch of druts when he won with jimmy
talented but druts
keep up the good work jerry

the boys are still hurting from the quincy thing
another good job jerry
romo did well

jerry is like bidwell in the desert
he just spends money is the difference

no some of you will get on here and say no Im wrong
its ok

1 playoff win in 6 tries
1 win in 10 years
ill take that being wrong

good job jerry
keep it up

fire away
LIC
1. Dallas was one of the most storied teams in history
Yep and before Jones bought the team they had become a laughing stock

2. Jerry comes in and does win with Jimmy

Yep

3. like the moron he is he wants to be the focus of the cowboys

Yep he loves the spotlight

4. fires jimmy hires barry who just does what ever so to not screw it up kinda like clinton and the economy

LOL funny line
5. has since been "THE FACE" of the boys

Yep
6. he being gm and owner is responsible for the success of the team

Agree he has made bad moves

7. jerry must run the circus be on tv trade and sign druts and say " the cowboys are about winning"

I think he does want to win, does not mean he makes good decisions
8. he is not a coach has never been a coach will never be a coach

ok
9. you cant win with jerry and the decisions he makes but since he is the owner he runs the show ie keep up the good work jj

Again he has made bad decisions


10. has signed players that dont help him win like TO it was all about pub and being on tv

Like him or not, EVERYONE was saying TO signing could put this team overtop.
11. did you see jerry today? no where was his a$$? coward

He was there the TV cameras just did not zoom on him..But wait..most say he should stay in his suite, now he is being called a coward
12. TO says nice things about Romo like he means it? laughable he doged McNabb but praises Romo he is a drut at heart

How do you know his true intentions?

13. any one who would fire tom landry would pi$$ on his moms grave imho

And this is MAIN problem alot of fans have with him. HE dared to realize Landry was DONE. The game had passed him by, and LAndry would not admit it and would stayed until he died.


I have NEVER said Jones makes all great moves..but I like he wants to win as badly as average fan does. He has NEVER just kept his money in the pocket. He has always been willing to try anything.

The very nature of being someone who takes a risk is more times than not they will fail.

[SintonFan]

Cowboys lose period!:(
.
They need a decent receiver who doesn't drop the ball consistently and two good pass rushers. They will win the Super Bowl then.:D :inlove: :D

[g$$]

Originally posted by pirate4state
Well, they haven't with this fan and that's the truth!!

Maybe because you are too young to remember Tom Landry & the heyday of America's Team. More than wins & losses, but CLASS. That is what is missing now to many of us, maybe not you.

TXB: and what exactly has Dallas done since Jimmy left? Please don't say Switzer winning 1 title w/ Jimmy's guys. What since then? Carousel of coaches & players still trying to get it done.

Last playoff win = 1996

Enough said.

[burnet44]

ask jerry
im sure he has watched film on the top players in the draft he needs

the game passed tom by?

you agreed with what 10 of my 13 points?
yeah Im wrong

and this the game has passed em by thing
im sure some will say that about bill now

these guys ARE the game
Noll Shula Landry Halas Parcells Cowher

these guys forgot more fb than this whole board knows

that is about the stupidist thing i have heard

the game didnt pass tom by
he was too loyal to too many older players
jimmy came in got rid of them
signed a bunch of younger guys from the walker trade and won

the game doesnt pass those guys by
they are the game

you do not know enough about the game to make that statement

jerry doesnt ethier
thank god
keep it up jerry

thanks

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by g$$
Maybe because you are too young to remember Tom Landry & the heyday of America's Team. More than wins & losses, but CLASS. That is what is missing now to many of us, maybe not you.

TXB: and what exactly has Dallas done since Jimmy left? Please don't say Switzer winning 1 title w/ Jimmy's guys. What since then? Carousel of coaches & players still trying to get it done.

Last playoff win = 1996

Enough said.

Like I said he has made bad decisions. I would still want an owner who WANTS to win and makes bad decisions over an owner who only cares about his money.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by g$$
Maybe because you are too young to remember Tom Landry & the heyday of America's Team. More than wins & losses, but CLASS. That is what is missing now to many of us, maybe not you.

too young :inlove: :inlove:

CLASS is over-rated.


So, yeah I guess I am too young. :p :p

[g$$]

Originally posted by burnet44
these guys ARE the game
Noll Shula Landry Halas Parcells Cowher

these guys forgot more fb than this whole board knows



I agree with most of your points, but putting Cowher on this list is way premature. Good coach & motivator, yes, but not an icon of the game.

Vince Lombardi has to be included obviously.
Bill Walsh needs to be included too. Team of the '80s at SF. Can't ignore Bill Belichick either with the Patriots' dynasty.

Maybe Hank Stram or others, not Cowher, at least not yet. One title does not make a genius.

[Bearkat]

Originally posted by burnet44
easy
Ill spell it out for you

1. Dallas was one of the most storied teams in history
2. Jerry comes in and does win with Jimmy
3. like the moron he is he wants to be the focus of the cowboys
4. fires jimmy hires barry who just does what ever so to not screw it up kinda like clinton and the economy
5. has since been "THE FACE" of the boys
6. he being gm and owner is responsible for the success of the team
7. jerry must run the circus be on tv trade and sign druts and say " the cowboys are about winning"
8. he is not a coach has never been a coach will never be a coach
9. you cant win with jerry and the decisions he makes but since he is the owner he runs the show ie keep up the good work jj
10. has signed players that dont help him win like TO it was all about pub and being on tv
11. did you see jerry today? no where was his a$$? coward
12. TO says nice things about Romo like he means it? laughable he doged McNabb but praises Romo he is a drut at heart
13. any one who would fire tom landry would pi$$ on his moms grave imho

jerry has personally run the boys down
HE makes all the decisions
he had a bunch of druts when he won with jimmy
talented but druts
keep up the good work jerry

the boys are still hurting from the quincy thing
another good job jerry
romo did well

jerry is like bidwell in the desert
he just spends money is the difference

no some of you will get on here and say no Im wrong
its ok

1 playoff win in 6 tries
1 win in 10 years
ill take that being wrong

good job jerry
keep it up

fire away
LIC

I'm assuming you are not a true COWBOYS fan. If you were you would know what is going on in football. Jerry bought a team that was terrible. I don't think they were above .500 in the '80s. I could be wrong, but not by much. So once again, I'm assuming you were happy with the way things were going in the '80s. OK, lets get out of the '80s. Jerry Jones buys the team, fires Tom Landry, hire's Jimmy Johnson, gets a boat load of draft pick's from the Herschel Walker trade, and wins 3 super bowls. In case you didn't know, the COWBOYS, during the 92-93 season were able to play 22 different players on defense. That came from the Herschel Walker trade. How do you think the COWBOYS got those players. With the new NFL rules, and the salary cap, those things just don't happen anymore. I guess you forgot about the salary cap. There are 32 NFL teams and only 1 can win a super bowl each year. The time of, The Dynasty, is gone. I'm sure you're thinking about the New England Patriots right now. That's fine. That's one team since the COWBOYS that have been consistently good. Name another. There's not one. Oh sure, there's teams that compete, but there not winning a super bowls. Now, back to the point. Jerry Jones has run the COWBOYS into the ground. The COWBOYS have 5 super bowl wins and have been to the super bowl 8 times. Before Jerry they were 2-3 in super bowls. Since Jerry, the COWBOYS are 3-0 in super bowls, the franchise is worth more money than 30 other franchise's and the team will have a ONE BILLION dollar stadium to play in starting 2009. I can see how Jerry Jones has personally run the COWBOYS down. If you hate the COWBOYS or Jerry Jones, that's fine. You could at least get you facts right.

[burnet44]

the game has passed him by huh?
jerry is 3-0 in sb
yes i was a cowboy fan and might be again
when jerry leaves

face it
when facelift bought the team he had no clue
he did know jimmy was a coach
the first years jerry was busy running the team
getting his feet wet
while jimmy did the coaching
THERE IS ONE THING JIMMY IS
A GREAT EVALUATOR OF TALENT
HE DID THAT AS WELL AS ANYONE EVER IN THE LEAGUE
jerry gets the idea that he aint getting enough love from the media
jimmy did it all
fires jimmy (that in itself should show u how bright he is and how much he wants to be the focus and run the show)
win 2 SB fire coach "brilliant" insert Guennis commercial here

face it
its not about winng

the boys will never be any better than the top of the organization
thank god

jerry has never won wo a real live let him coach guy

rationalize all you want
jerry is not a coach
will never be
money cant buy some things in life

jerry wants to win?
please
thats lipspeak

has TO ever won? a SB if that what the goal is?
NO
his talent cant make up for his mouth


call me when the boys win one
ill be waiting

watch espn
im sure they will have the research on this

jerry is too busy thinking about jerrys world in arlington
his place in fb history
he wants to be in the hof as an owner
trust me this will surface some day

say all you want
ill eat crow when Jerrys Kids win it
dont hold your breath

yeah id put cowher in that class
holmgren may be there soon
you cant coach the same team 15 yrs
go 161-99-1
true he isnt in the upper class of those coaches
but I feel he will
he will coach again in a year

dyk?
Bill Cowher Coaching Tree
Assistant coaches under Bill Cowher that became Head Coaches in the NFL:
Dom Capers (Carolina Panthers and Houston Texans)
Chan Gailey (Dallas Cowboys)
Dick LeBeau (Cincinnati Bengals)
Marvin Lewis (Cincinnati Bengals)
Jim Haslett (New Orleans Saints)
Mike Mularkey (Buffalo Bills)

well not much success
but they were hc's lol

i left off walsh a hofer

top 34 down to vince
some surprises

Years: Coach name: Wins Loss Ties Pct. Bowl AFL/NFL

1. 1963-1995 Don Shula 347 173 6 .665 2-4 0-2

2. 1920-1967 George Halas 324 152 32 .669 6-3

3. 1960-1988 Tom Landry 270 178 6 .601 2-3 0-2

4. 1921-1953 Curly Lambeau 230 135 22 .623 6-1

5. 1969-1991 Chuck Noll 209 156 1 .572 4-0

6. 1981-2003 Dan Reeves 201 174 2 .536 0-4

7. 1973-1994 Chuck Knox 193 158 1 .550

8. 1984- Marty Schottenheimer 191 136 1 .584

9. 1983- Bill Parcells 174 130 1 .572 2-1

10. 1950-1975 Paul Brown 170 108 6 .609 7-3

11. 1967-1985 Bud Grant 168 109 5 .607 0-4 1-0

12. 1981- Joe Gibbs 162 93 .635 3-1

13. 1992- Bill Cowher 161 99 1 .619 1-1

14. 1978-1997 Marv Levy 154 120 .562 0-4

15. 1931-1953 Steve Owen 153 108 17 .581 2-6

16. 1992- Mike Holmgren 149 95 .609 1-2

17. 1988- Mike Shannahan 139 86 .618 2-0

18. 1960-1977 Hank Stram 136 100 10 .573 1-1 3-1

19. 1954-1973 Weeb Ewbank 134 130 7 .507 1-0 1-1

20. 1982-1999 Mike Ditka 127 101 .557 1-0

21. 1986-2001 Jim Mora 125 112 .527

22. 1989-2001 George Seifert 124 67 .649 2-0

23. 1955-1974 Sid Gillman 123 104 7 .541 1-4

24. 1976-2005 Dick Vermeil 120 109 .524 1-1

25. 1966-1977 George Allen 118 54 5 .681 0-1

26. 1992- Dennis Green 117 102 .513

27. 1973-1986 Don Coryell 114 89 1 .561

28. 1949-1964 Buddy Parker 113 82 9 .576 2-1

29. 1969-1978 John Madden 112 39 7 .731 1-0 0-1

30. 1991- Bill Belichick 110 79 .582 3-0

31. 1994- Jeff Fisher 110 97 .531 0-1

32. 1996- Tony Dungy 107 66 .615

33. 1979-1988 Bill Walsh 102 63 1 .617 3-0

34. 1959-1969 Vince Lombardi 105 35 6 .740 2-0 5-1

vince won 74% of his games wow no one will do that again

[g$$]

Yeah, I am familiar with Cowher & his coaching disciples. I have always liked Dick LeBeau's defenses.

Funny how that works. Landry & Walsh had extensive coaching trees too.

You & I think the same regarding the demise of the Cowboys. Some others just don't want to believe it. Proof is in the pudding.

[burnet44]

too bad many cant face the truth
rationalization is basically lying to yourself
i just post facts

call me when jerrys kids win one

"these are the facts and they are indisputable"

A Few Good Men

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by burnet44
too bad many cant face the truth
rationalization is basically lying to yourself
i just post facts

call me when jerrys kids win one

"these are the facts and they are indisputable"

A Few Good Men
.
Did you actually quote, "these are the facts and they are indisputable"! ???
.
Look, how old are you? cuz, you can try to
claim that statement but you've opened up a can of crap toward yourself with that kind of blatant arrogance.:hand: :doh: :hand:

[burnet44]

its a line from the movie A Few Good Men nn

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by burnet44
its a line from the movie A Few Good Men nn
.
I was aware of that with the title of the movie below your quote. I was saying that you posted your opinion as fact but we know that opinions are not fact.:eek:

[Bearkat]

For Burnett44, If Jimmy Johnson is that good of a coach, why didn't he win 2 super bowls with the dolphins, like he did with the COWBOYS? Which owner are you to blame that on?

[Bearkat]

For Burnett44, If Jimmy Johnson is that good of a coach, why didn't he win 2 super bowls with the dolphins, like he did with the COWBOYS? Which owner are you to blame that on?

[Jason1725]

Maybe because you are too young to remember Tom Landry & the heyday of America's Team. More than wins & losses, but CLASS. That is what is missing now to many of us, maybe not you.


As a fan of another team looking in from outside this statement is so true. The Cowboy's were a classy team back in the day, but it doesn't seem to be at the top of Jerry's list.

[burnet44]

they lost
have a nice off season Jerry
another year
keep up the good work
keep TO please
I wont have to worry about a Super Bowl win
thanks

[Bullaholic]

Originally posted by pirate4state

CLASS is over-rated.


When and where?

[burnet44]

Dallas Jerry Jones office

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by g$$
[B]Maybe because you are too young to remember Tom Landry & the heyday of America's Team. More than wins & losses, but CLASS. That is what is missing now to many of us, maybe not you.


This is what gets my dander up. Sure, Landry exuded class, but does anyone remember Hollywood Henderson snorting cocain on the sidelines? How about Duane Thomas? I like to call it "old-timers syndrome".

The Cowboys had just as many or more outlaws during Landry's time as they have since. You think the movie North Dallas 40 was purly fiction? Don't give me this Landry would not have put up with all this crap. Those Cowboys were about winning just like they are now. They weren't concerned with who was attending church regularly.

I agree Jerry has made bad decisions, but bringing in Parcells is a step in the right direction of admitting he needs a football man. And let's not lay all the blame of Jimmy leaving on Jerry. Jimmy is and always will be a Pr*ck. Great coach, but a pr*ck, none the less.

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by Macarthur
This is what gets my dander up. Sure, Landry exuded class, but does anyone remember Hollywood Henderson snorting cocain on the sidelines? How about Duane Thomas? I like to call it "old-timers syndrome".

The Cowboys had just as many or more outlaws during Landry's time as they have since. You think the movie North Dallas 40 was purly fiction? Don't give me this Landry would not have put up with all this crap. Those Cowboys were about winning just like they are now. They weren't concerned with who was attending church regularly.

I agree Jerry has made bad decisions, but bringing in Parcells is a step in the right direction of admitting he needs a football man. And let's not lay all the blame of Jimmy leaving on Jerry. Jimmy is and always will be a Pr*ck. Great coach, but a pr*ck, none the less.

What we didn't have in Landry's time was the current Media and the expose' type reporting we have now. That is why we didn't know about it then.

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by bobcat1
What we didn't have in Landry's time was the current Media and the expose' type reporting we have now. That is why we didn't know about it then.
I knew about a LOT of it, including Henderson & Thomas. Then there was Raphael Septien. Some things just can't be swept under the rug. :doh: :( Seems like I remember some scandal surrounding Bob Hayes, too. :thinking:

[bobcat1]

Then there was Lance Rentzel wasn't it? :rolleyes:

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by bobcat1
Then there was Lance Rentzel wasn't it? :rolleyes:
:doh: Oh yeah..... :( You had to remind me......I had a crush on him before that.

[Bullaholic]

Originally posted by Macarthur
I like to call it "old-timers syndrome".


Yep---I'm a terminal case, Mac, about the old-time Cowboys and a lot of things that matter personally to me and a lot of other "old-timers".

[Txbroadcaster]

Hey all I made the exact point about the media being more saturated hence why it appears this eras Cowboys have no "class" and just look at my signature and you can see what the response from G$$ was :p

[burnet44]

old jokes

Keep it in your pants lance

his favorite pass pattern? the fly pattern

sure a lot was not said back then
but tom ran the team

clint didnt

a coach is supposed to run the team
thats what he is supposed to do

jerry is no different than a medeling school board

THATS THE PROBLEM AND WHY I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT

COACHES COACH
bottom line


If jerry was your school board president would you work for him?

NO

let jerry run the team
coach em call plays count jocks

no one ever succedes in that situation

let daddy call plays on thursday friday and sat.

example
quick
who is the president of ut, michigan, sc or nebraska?
who knows why?
he is busy running the university
not telling his fb coach what to do

everyone knows jerry why?
he is the medeling school board daddy

why is jerry the owner of the boys?
what are his qualifications?
money
bum bright needed money and jerry had it

money doesnt make you qualified

coaches coach bottom line

[sinton66]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
I knew about a LOT of it, including Henderson & Thomas. Then there was Raphael Septien. Some things just can't be swept under the rug. :doh: :( Seems like I remember some scandal surrounding Bob Hayes, too. :thinking:

She's right. The difference is in what was done about it then and now. Golden Richards, Hollywood Henderson, Rafael Septien, and such were all sent packing from the Cowboys for off field legal hassles. All of them capable players, but too much baggage for the organization back then. If they had kept their heads on straight, they would have all been in the HOF by now.

Michael Irvin, Leon Lett, and others in the JJ era stayed on the team despite repeated legal hassles over drugs and such. That's what people are saying is the difference in CLASS between then and now. Now, the present organization doesn't pay any attention to baggage. If you stop long enough to think about it, Irvin and Lett's (and others) antics didn't start until after Johnson left. Switzer comes in, they win another superbowl, but the baggage becomes hefty. Even Switzer has a "baggage" problem. (gun at the airport).

[Bullaholic]

Originally posted by sinton66
She's right. The difference is in what was done about it then and now. Golden Richards, Hollywood Henderson, Rafael Septien, and such were all sent packing from the Cowboys for off field legal hassles. All of them capable players, but too much baggage for the organization back then. If they had kept their heads on straight, they would have all been in the HOF by now.

Michael Irvin, Leon Lett, and others in the JJ era stayed on the team despite repeated legal hassles over drugs and such. That's what people are saying is the difference in CLASS between then and now. Now, the present organization doesn't pay any attention to baggage. If you stop long enough to think about it, Irvin and Lett's (and others) antics didn't start until after Johnson left. Switzer comes in, they win another superbowl, but the baggage becomes hefty. Even Switzer has a "baggage" problem. (gun at the airport).

You're in trouble, 66'---you've got "old timer's" syndrome. :D

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by sinton66
If you stop long enough to think about it, Irvin and Lett's (and others) antics didn't start until after Johnson left. Switzer comes in, they win another superbowl, but the baggage becomes hefty. Even Switzer has a "baggage" problem. (gun at the airport).

Do you really think the players acted with "class" under Johnson but not Switzer? Or maybe they just had not been caught yet. Johnson ran a college program at the U that had alot of questionable character players, and I dont think these players just became bad when he left.

[burnet44]

jimmy was and is no different
but he coached
tom coached

there has been no coach in dallas since jimmy left
i mean a guy who coaches
sure bill coaches
but he has the medeling one man school board to screw with

i found this kinda funny?

North Dallas 40 the movie
how did they lose lol
botched pat lol

[44INAROW]

Originally posted by g$$
I truly felt sorry for Romo. I watched his press conference & he was choked up. No doubt he cared. TO even came across as genuine. It will be interesting in the coming weeks at Valley Ranch for sure. Who stays, who goes...big questions.

I agree g$$ - I am not a big fan of pro-ball just because it's so money driven (or that's the way I see it) but Romo showed real emotion that was from the heart....

[Bandera YaYa]

Originally posted by pirate4state

CLASS is over-rated.


Wow, you think so??? Hmmmmmmmm......................................... .nice sig. :thinking:

[NDFootball]

Originally posted by g$$
Maybe because you are too young to remember Tom Landry & the heyday of America's Team. More than wins & losses, but CLASS. That is what is missing now to many of us, maybe not you.

TXB: and what exactly has Dallas done since Jimmy left? Please don't say Switzer winning 1 title w/ Jimmy's guys. What since then? Carousel of coaches & players still trying to get it done.

Last playoff win = 1996

Enough said.

Honestly where is there any class in the NFL now???? You'd be hard pressed to find it anywhere. The Cowboys look like angels compared to the Cincinnati Bengals, I think they've had 8 arrests this year? I agree that JJ has seriously screwed up lately but it takes awhile to rebuild after the lack of talented players that were here before Parcells arrived. What the Cowboys need is an actual OC to take the reigns of the offense and revive it, I guarantee if Sean Payton was here again this year the offense would've been the best in the league.

TO is no threat to demolishing Dallas or any team he's on, the media just blows everything out of proportion, kind of like the war in Iraq :thinking:

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by Bandera YaYa
Wow, you think so??? Hmmmmmmmm......................................... .nice sig. :thinking:

I do, but I won't bore everyone with why I think so.

You like my sig? Lyrics from a song. :) Fit my mood last night!

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Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Do you really think the players acted with "class" under Johnson but not Switzer? Or maybe they just had not been caught yet. Johnson ran a college program at the U that had alot of questionable character players, and I dont think these players just became bad when he left.

I don't know about more class, but I do think they were more "toned down "with Johnson. Definitely more under control with Landry. In Irvin's case, he went off the deep end after Johnson left, and I believe that had a lot to do with Jerry's attitude toward Jimmy. When the guy that signs the checks doesn't care what anybody else thinks, how are his players supposed to act? It starts at the top.

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Originally posted by Macarthur
This is what gets my dander up. Sure, Landry exuded class, but does anyone remember Hollywood Henderson snorting cocain on the sidelines? How about Duane Thomas? I like to call it "old-timers syndrome".

The Cowboys had just as many or more outlaws during Landry's time as they have since. You think the movie North Dallas 40 was purly fiction? Don't give me this Landry would not have put up with all this crap. Those Cowboys were about winning just like they are now. They weren't concerned with who was attending church regularly.

I agree Jerry has made bad decisions, but bringing in Parcells is a step in the right direction of admitting he needs a football man. And let's not lay all the blame of Jimmy leaving on Jerry. Jimmy is and always will be a Pr*ck. Great coach, but a pr*ck, none the less.

I did not say they were all choir boys under Landry. The difference was in the length of time they were Cowboys. Landry shipped Duane Thomas out after a SB win. He gave Hollywood many chances & then got rid of him. Septien's troubles were later.

I agree the media coverage is much different now. And yes, I know all about "North Dallas Forty" & have seen it numerous times. But, the Cowboys of that era at least exuded class where as today they scream "ME ME ME" & it all starts at the top with Jerry Jones.

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Originally posted by sinton66
She's right. The difference is in what was done about it then and now. Golden Richards, Hollywood Henderson, Rafael Septien, and such were all sent packing from the Cowboys for off field legal hassles. All of them capable players, but too much baggage for the organization back then. If they had kept their heads on straight, they would have all been in the HOF by now.

Michael Irvin, Leon Lett, and others in the JJ era stayed on the team despite repeated legal hassles over drugs and such. That's what people are saying is the difference in CLASS between then and now. Now, the present organization doesn't pay any attention to baggage. If you stop long enough to think about it, Irvin and Lett's (and others) antics didn't start until after Johnson left. Switzer comes in, they win another superbowl, but the baggage becomes hefty. Even Switzer has a "baggage" problem. (gun at the airport).

Well said, except Golden Richards was good but no HOF. The main culprit to me is Jerry Jones. When he runs the team & entire organization, you are looking at problems concerning image & class. He is a bigger egomaniac than TO. That says it all to me. He made his money in the cut-throat oil & gas business, now he thinks he can drive the bus, wash the clothes, & call plays on game day. Good luck with that. (yes I know he played at Arkansas, big deal, not a coach)