Best TX HS Football Team Ever?

[88bobcats]

I've often heard people say that they think the 1985 Houston Jack Yates football team (5A State Champions) is the all-time best TX HS football team. They were certainly big, fast and talented; and I think they had several players that eventually went pro. I saw them beat a great West Orange-Stark team the year before the 'stangs moved down to 4A.

I know the Dallas Carter Cowboys were made famous by the Friday Night Lights book and movie, and at least one of those players went pro (Jesse Armstead?); but I've never heard anyone say they were better than the '85 Yates team.

What do you think? What other teams should be considered in this grouping?

[District303aPastPlayer]

1983 Dangerfield Tigers...

8 Total points scored on them all year i believe...

[setxsports]

1987 WOS Mustangs. 4A State Champions 16-0. Best defense still to this day i've ever seen.

[MARLINDOGS]

Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer
1983 Dangerfield Tigers...

8 Total points scored on them all year i believe... Yeah you are right.Kilgore scored 2 points on a safety.Our center snapped the ball over the punters head and rolled out of the end zone.Then Carthage scored on a long pass because our guy covering the receiver slipped and fell down.LOL :D

[District303aPastPlayer]

Originally posted by **********
1987 WOS Mustangs. 4A State Champions 16-0. Best defense still to this day i've ever seen.

Best ever? I seriously have to call you out on that... D'field... then everyone else...

[setxsports]

That's your opinion.

[dogdad]

83 Daingerfield
case closed

[g$$]

Originally posted by dogdad
83 Daingerfield
case closed

Agreed. They were something else & made Sweeny, a fine team, look like a JV squad in the Finals 42-0. I put them against any team from any class from any era, seriously. They were that talented.

[Hupernikomen]

2004 Northshore

[88bobcats]

I forgot about the '87 WO-S team.

That Aldine MacArthur game (6-3) was the epitomy of a defensive battle.

[blackflag_74]

i hate d'field, but you have to give it to them. no question about it

[MARLINDOGS]

Originally posted by blackflag_74
i hate d'field, but you have to give it to them. no question about it And why do you hate Daingerfield?LOL

[setxsports]

Originally posted by dogdad
83 Daingerfield
case closed Question wasn't about Dangerfield

[dogdad]

Originally posted by **********
Question wasn't about Dangerfield

Daingerfield was not the question, it was the answer. The question was: who's the best team ever?

hello?

[setxsports]

That's your opinion on who you think the best team ever was.

[dogdad]

you seem confused
are you o.k.?

[burnet44]

Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer
1983 Dangerfield Tigers...

8 Total points scored on them all year i believe...

hands down

[Black & Gold]

Daingerfield was awesome. I saw them kick the snot out of us (Post), my cousins played back then and said that there was no way of stopping them. We had a stud running back that couldn't move the ball against them. Got this from another site.

1983 Daingerfield Tigers
Tigers 35 Kilgore 2
Tigers 14 Gilmer 0
Tigers 10 Carthage 6
Tigers 27 Linden-Kildare 0
Tigers 42 Paul Pewitt 0
Tigers 32 Hughes Springs 0
Tigers 76 Queen City 0
Tigers 48 DeKalb 0
Tigers 45 Hooks 0
Tigers 56 New Boston 0
Tigers 43 Clarksville 0
Tigers 22 Waco Robinson 0
Tigers 46 Kaufman 0
Tigers 51 Gladewater 0
Tigers 42 Post 0
Tigers 42 Sweeny 0

Perfect 16-0 season record
Outscored opponents 246-0 in playoffs
Recorded 13th straight shuout and 14th of the season
First team in high school history to win 16 games in a single season
Scored more points (246) than anybody else in history in the six game playoff schedule
They set a modern-day national record for consecutive shutouts in a season
Tied a 70-year old national record dating back to 1913
First team in history to make it through the playoffs without allowing a point
Established a record for shutouts in one season (13)

http://daingerfieldtigers.com/SMF/index.php?topic=98.msg212

[g$$]

Ended up nationally ranked too even back in 1983 before that became popular. They were legit, I saw them 1st hand vs. Sweeny & we had a good squad. They made us look bad all night. Men against boys, & we had many D1 kids on that Sweeny team including future NFL player Tracey Simien (now coaches w/ Texans).

They get my vote & I have seen many good teams since too. None compares from any classification.

[BILLYFRED0000]

83 D'FIELD. Everybody should know that..... Who's next I could not say.....

[injuredinmelee]

been a couple of months since we have had this discussion.

Daingerfield is my pick they were GREAT!

The Yates team was loaded with studs.

The Carter team was also. Didnt they have a bunch of those boys arrested in an armed robbery ring following the season?

[big daddy russ]

'83 D-Field had what, three or four players go on to the NFL? Marlindogs, you may be able to answer that question better than I could.

The only team that competed with them was Carthage, a 4A Semifinalist. And from what I heard, those six points they scored were a fluke.

Daingerfield could've competed with anyone from any era.

[District303aPastPlayer]

Originally posted by big daddy russ
'83 D-Field had what, three or four players go on to the NFL? Marlindogs, you may be able to answer that question better than I could.

The only team that competed with them was Carthage, a 4A Semifinalist. And from what I heard, those six points they scored were a fluke.

Daingerfield could've competed with anyone from any era.

those 6 points were scored on the D'field Offense... via an INT

[gato 76]

Bay City 1983 state championship team was very good to 15-0 gave up only 47 pts in the regular season and gave up a total of 68 pts while scoring 495 pts.The Bay City 80 team was also good went 12-1 lost in semifinals only gave up 29 pts regular season while scoring 356.Just one note the 83 team on defense only avg 200 lbs across but every body on that starting defense ran a 4.6 or better.

[shamu85]

Daingerfield defense was NOT scored on in the '83 season. The Carthage TD was on an INT return, and D'field blocked the PAT.

g$$, not sure where you get the info that Sweeny was loaded with D1 talent (you were only 10, maybe 11 at the time), as Tracey is just about the only guy from that team that I can think of who played D1 ball except for maybe Lowell Wright, who made the team at Grambling (D1AA).

I have been convinced of the argument for the '83 Daingerfield team, but if you look at Bay City in '83, they would definitely be worthy of that argument, also. Carthage, whom Daingerfield beat 10-6 in week 3, lost to Lubbock Estacado in the 4A semifinals, 20-16. Bay City then beat Estacado like a red-headed stepchild in the finals, 30-0. That was after beating Thurman Thomas led Ft Bend Willowridge 42-0 in the quarterfinals. Bay City only had 21 points scored on them in the playoffs.

[gato 76]

Originally posted by shamu85
Daingerfield defense was NOT scored on in the '83 season. The Carthage TD was on an INT return, and D'field blocked the PAT.

g$$, not sure where you get the info that Sweeny was loaded with D1 talent (you were only 10, maybe 11 at the time), as Tracey is just about the only guy from that team that I can think of who played D1 ball except for maybe Lowell Wright, who made the team at Grambling (D1AA).

I have been convinced of the argument for the '83 Daingerfield team, but if you look at Bay City in '83, they would definitely be worthy of that argument, also. Carthage, whom Daingerfield beat 10-6 in week 3, lost to Lubbock Estacado in the 4A semifinals, 20-16. Bay City then beat Estacado like a red-headed stepchild in the finals, 30-0. That was after beating Thurman Thomas led Ft Bend Willowridge 42-0 in the quarterfinals. Bay City only had 21 points scored on them in the playoffs.

I remember before the Willowridge game New Brauunfels was hoping we would win cause they thought they matched up better against us than Willowridge,boy were they wrong Blackcats lit them up by a score 49-6.

[Matthew328]

Best team ever.....its gotta be the Yates team or maybe the Carter team.....1983 Daingerfield is right there though

[mwynn05]

I just think its funny some people on thsi thread act like they know all about daingerfield in 83 when they couldn't even talk then

[Cameron Crazy]

Celina lol not!:D

[MARLINDOGS]

Originally posted by Matthew328
Best team ever.....its gotta be the Yates team or maybe the Carter team.....1983 Daingerfield is right there though LOL.Well I know all about them.Because I was on the 83 team.:D

[WOS87]

I know it's a bit cumbersome... but here's a table of the top 50 State Champs ranked by Average points scored per game, Average points allowed per game, and Average margin of victory for each of their respective championship seasons.

Just for reference the largest classification that existed for each time period was as follows:
1920-1938 1A
1939-1950 2A
1951-1979 4A
1980-2006 5A

http://members.aol.com/cboehme/thsf/bestever.gif

[g$$]

Originally posted by gato 76
Bay City 1983 state championship team was very good to 15-0 gave up only 47 pts in the regular season and gave up a total of 68 pts while scoring 495 pts.The Bay City 80 team was also good went 12-1 lost in semifinals only gave up 29 pts regular season while scoring 356.Just one note the 83 team on defense only avg 200 lbs across but every body on that starting defense ran a 4.6 or better.

Very good BC team, & Hart Lee Dykes was not bad himself! Watched them beat Lubbock Estacado in the Finals in Austin then we drove to Waco to watch Sweeny get drubbed (I was in junior high). Bay City was very good, but Daingerfield was better IMO. That was a freakish team from Daingerfield.

D'field had either 3 or 4 future NFL guys on that team. Thomas Everett was already at Baylor but his brother Eric was still there plus David Whitmore, etc. Stutsman was younger I believe.

[g$$]

Originally posted by shamu85
Daingerfield defense was NOT scored on in the '83 season. The Carthage TD was on an INT return, and D'field blocked the PAT.

g$$, not sure where you get the info that Sweeny was loaded with D1 talent (you were only 10, maybe 11 at the time), as Tracey is just about the only guy from that team that I can think of who played D1 ball except for maybe Lowell Wright, who made the team at Grambling (D1AA).

I have been convinced of the argument for the '83 Daingerfield team, but if you look at Bay City in '83, they would definitely be worthy of that argument, also. Carthage, whom Daingerfield beat 10-6 in week 3, lost to Lubbock Estacado in the 4A semifinals, 20-16. Bay City then beat Estacado like a red-headed stepchild in the finals, 30-0. That was after beating Thurman Thomas led Ft Bend Willowridge 42-0 in the quarterfinals. Bay City only had 21 points scored on them in the playoffs.

I was 13 in 1983, but I was referring to guys like Tracey Simien, Phillip Simmons, Robin Evans, Troy Mack, Brett Simpson, Gary & Duane Woodard, Lowell Wright, & others. Simmons had multiple knee injuries & had to quit playing, but he was highly regarded before that as a TE/DE. Simpson was a stud & played D1 baseball as a pitcher, but was a very good football player too (LB/QB). Brett was only a soph on that team. Mack played qb/wr/db & then later played at Lamar back when they had football. The Woodard boys could play too. Darn good team was my point. Mike Coleman, Maurice Griggs, Mark McIntyre & others were the year before ('82) I believe. Griggs played juco ball & made All Conference with Mike Coleman at Trinity Valley (Coleman made Juco All American as a QB too).

Like I said, not here to argue, & maybe I am confusing years a bit, guess I need my Dad to help me w/ facts about now! Point is still the same as Sweeny had talent, but Daingerfield just beat us into the ground. Am I forgetting anybody? Do we know each other?

[WOS87]

Pittsburg 1980 was pretty awesome as well... 10 consecutive shutouts (12 total), only 23 points scored against them all season. Only allowed a safety in the playoffs, otherwise would have been the first to shutout every playoff opponent before Daingerfield.

Non-District
Jefferson 34-0
Linden-Kildare 47-0
Jacksonville 14-7
Mount Pleasant 15-14
Daingerfield 21-0
District
Winnsboro 50-0
Prairiland 34-0
Paris North Lamar 16-0
Mount Vernon 47-0
Clarksville 33-0
Playoffs
Bi-D: De Kalb 21-0
Reg: Van 24-0
Qu: Decatur 28-0
Semis: Stamford 35-0
Finals: Van Vleck 13-2

[g$$]

That was a solid VV too they beat in the Finals (back when 1 team went to playoffs). You are right, this was a good champion as well in Pittsburg in 1980.

[District303aPastPlayer]

D'field going was in the 2nd year of 2 team s in the playoffs

[g$$]

Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer
D'field going was in the 2nd year of 2 team s in the playoffs

Right, but not 1980. 1982 was 1st year for football right?

[Rowdy1]

Originally posted by g$$
I was 13 in 1983, but I was referring to guys like Maurice Griggs, Phillip Simmons, Robin Evans, Brett Simpson, & others. Maybe I am running years together, but Griggs played juco & made All Conference with Michael Coleman at Trinity Valley (Coleman made Juco All American as a QB too). Simmons had multiple knee injuries & had to quit playing, but he was highly regarded before that as a TE/DE. Simpson was a stud & played D1 baseball as a pitcher, but was a very good football player too (LB/QB). Brett was only a junior on that team. The Woodard boys could play too. Darn good team was my point.

Like I said, not here to argue, & maybe I am confusing years a bit, guess I need my Dad to help me w/ facts about now! Point is still the same as Sweeny had talent, but Daingerfield just beat us into the ground. Am I forgetting anybody? Do we know each other?

G$$,right era wrong season.
Coleman and Griggs were there the year before.
Simpson was a freshman that year (Redshirted 8th grade).
Duane Woodard and Kelvin Woodard were both on that team both played college ball.
83 D'field best team ever !!

[g$$]

Originally posted by Rowdy1
G$$,right era wrong season.
Coleman and Griggs were there the year before.
Simpson was a freshman that year (Redshirted 8th grade).
Duane Woodard and Kelvin Woodard were both on that team both played college ball.
83 D'field best team ever !!

Thanks for the help buddy. Troy Mack is another one I forgot. We had some talent, D'field was just a beast. Simien, Mack, Simmons, Woodards, etc. You're right about Mike Coleman, Griggs, & McIntyre, they were the previous year. Jay Pyssen was earlier too with Spiller, Sanchez, etc. in that group.

Not to argue, but I am Sweeny born & raised & do not know a Kevin Woodard from the early '80s (Kevin "Grady" Bell yes, played at UTA, brother Gerald played with me)? Gary "Hogshaw" Woodard, Duane Woodard, then Glendale Woodard with me later on. Brett Simpson graduated in 1986, so he was on that team, maybe a soph? You are thinking of Randall Coleman & Mike McGuire being held back for age reasons in jr. high, not Brett. Mike & Randall were '87 grads, good players themselves. Mike is the best ever to come out of Sweeny IMO in baseball, drafted highly by Seattle after signing with UT, injury ended career. Brett was one of the starting pitchers (& the catcher) as a junior on the State Champion team (w/ David Harrison) in 1985. I talked to Brett a while back, doing well & lives in LJ. Didn't Brett have to QB some in that game due to injury? That game was over early & it gets foggier every year. I do remember 42-0 Final.

You are right though, I am confusing years a bit. They tend to run together sometimes & those were good years to be a Sweeny fan. Sorry about the confusion, & agreed on Daingerfield. Nice to visit with you. Do we know each other?

[gato 76]

Originally posted by Matthew328
Best team ever.....its gotta be the Yates team or maybe the Carter team.....1983 Daingerfield is right there though

I would have to go with Carter.

[necks_c/09]

check out 1975 big sandy stats.....do yall know if they won state in 75'???


those stats are amazing.....avg 59 ppg and 1 ppg on Defense....58 point mov.....simply amazing

[WOS87]

They won three years in a row '73, '74 and '75. In 1975 they scored 824 points and allowed 15 in only 14 games, going 14-0-0. It's still the Texas record for points scored in a season and was the national record until 1994. In '74 the Finals were against Celina and it ended in a 0-0 tie so they were proclaimed co-champs. That was Celina's first state title.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by gato 76
I would have to go with Carter.

Carter was a talented team..but I would not say the greatest team. It was not like they rolled thru the season untouched and unchallenged. They had a bad habit of playing down or up to their opponent

[WOS87]

Carter didn't even go in to the playoffs as their district champion that year... Duncanville did.

[g$$]

Originally posted by WOS87
They won three years in a row '73, '74 and '75. In 1975 they scored 824 points and allowed 15 in only 14 games, going 14-0-0. It's still the Texas record for points scored in a season and was the national record until 1994. In '74 the Finals were against Celina and it ended in a 0-0 tie so they were proclaimed co-champs. That was Celina's first state title.

Big Sandy teams - wow! Wasn't that the group with David Overstreet (OU RB) & also Lovie Smith (HC Bears) on the team among others? Overstreet is deceased now but his son made All Big 12 DB at Mizzou, & will be drafted too. Small town but big talent no doubt.

[charlesrixey]

not totally related, but wow

Celina is on the MOV list five times!

Also interesting to note how few people know celina's role in the Big Sandy story

Celina was upset in the semifinals the next year by groom 15-13,

everyone was anticipating a rematch in the title game