celina will go 16-0 next year and win state

[neo800]

celina with such a young team this year made it to state and no one thought they would make it.With almost there whole team coming back next year my early prediction is celina wins it in 2007.

[GetRDoneStangs]

Big Boast for first Post!

:thinking: :thinking: :thinking:

None the less...Welcome to the Downlow:clap:

[Emerson1]

No they won't. Celina can only win championships in 2a.

[carter08]

Congratulations
You just wrote a check your bleep can't cash

[Emerson1]

Well right now I am %100 correct.

[JJ7997]

Sounds like a good possibility to me.

[LHdog]

I was impressed with Celina's coaching but I was not impressed with their team speed. The lack of overall quickness as a team will be a barrier for them to win state in 3A.

[LH Panther Mom]

Do we need to hide and watch? :p

[Emerson1]

Originally posted by LHdog
I was impressed with Celina's coaching but I was not impressed with their team speed. The lack of overall quickness as a team will be a barrier for them to win state in 3A.
and with them growing, they could be in division 1 next alignment.



Where on Inks are you?

[neo800]

yea no speed just went to state and lost in a great game aginst a great liberty hill team.Every year people say celina has no speed but they seem to do ok.

[Emerson1]

They don't have any speed, LH doesn't either.

[neo800]

Yep and LH won state.Its not all about speed.

[Emerson1]

You have to have speed in the higher levels to win, especially if these projections are right and celina is 4a within the next 2 alignments

[WildTexan]

Originally posted by LHdog
I was impressed with Celina's coaching but I was not impressed with their team speed. The lack of overall quickness as a team will be a barrier for them to win state in 3A.

What kind of halfwit watches a game that takes the winner to kick a fieldgoal with 10 seconds left (after said team misses 2 EP's and a FG) to win state and think that their team speed is inadequate to win it all?

fact is if the kicking game was just about Celina average, they would be state champs right now, but the kicking game failed regardless of the team speed and THAT is all that stopped them from a 3A title....Celina did as good a job of figuring out the LH offense as about anyone, so if they see em again it will be shut down, and the standard Celina offense will roll again...

2007 3A D2 State Champs - Celina Bobcats....yep....bank on it...

so let it be written, so let it be done.....

[WildTexan]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Emerson1
[B]and with them growing, they could be in division 1 next alignment.



Wrong.....Celina is not growing that fast....Prosper will again be 3A next time and they will always be bigger than Celina, so Prosper will be D1 again next time.....then after that we see...

Frisco Wakeland might just move up, but Prosper probably won't.....but next count again will probably have Princeton and Prosper and Bonham bigger than Celina, so no chance for the D2 teams to run and hide for 3 more years at least....

[sinton66]

Originally posted by WildTexan
What kind of halfwit watches a game that takes the winner to kick a fieldgoal with 10 seconds left (after said team misses 2 EP's and a FG) to win state and think that their team speed is inadequate to win it all?

fact is if the kicking game was just about Celina average, they would be state champs right now, but the kicking game failed regardless of the team speed and THAT is all that stopped them from a 3A title....Celina did as good a job of figuring out the LH offense as about anyone, so if they see em again it will be shut down, and the standard Celina offense will roll again...

2007 3A D2 State Champs - Celina Bobcats....yep....bank on it...

so let it be written, so let it be done.....

Seems like I heard this somwhere THIS year. 100 years from now no one will remember much about this years championship. If they remember anything at all, it will be that LH beat the great Celina after some Celina posters on here GUARANTEED a victory by the Bobcats.

Trust me on this, I have nothing against Celina. They have a record to be envied. But, NOTHING is ever guaranteed in high school football.

[burnet44]

you need 900 to be in 4A
unless celina has a school for almost double
its a safe bet they will be in 3A a while
i dont care how many people move in
you aint gonna get
500 hs students in a year
thats just stupid
cut off for 3A was 415 btw

[Snydertigersrul]

Originally posted by Emerson1
No they won't. Celina can only win championships in 2a. :clap: :clap: :clap:

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by neo800
celina with such a young team this year made it to state and no one thought they would make it.With almost there whole team coming back next year my early prediction is celina wins it in 2007.

Can I get the winning lottery numbers for this weekend please?

[44INAROW]

Originally posted by sinton66
NOTHING is ever guaranteed in high school football.

Can I get an AMEN?

[Alaska cat]

Originally posted by neo800
Yep and LH won state.Its not all about speed.

True a lot of it it is all about a little luck too

[Daddy D 11]

why are we talking about this?? :confused:


i know speculation is fun but i guess everybody is forgetting that at this time two weeks ago the same thing was being said about Celina and 2006...

well you all know what happened don't ya'll?? :rolleyes:

[Alaska cat]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
why are we talking about this?? :confused:


i know speculation is fun but i guess everybody is forgetting that at this time two weeks ago the same thing was being said about Celina and 2006...

well you all know what happened don't ya'll?? :rolleyes:
Yup you got a double scoop of good luck, that is all it was.

[Daddy D 11]

i'm so sure that's exactly what it was...

[mwynn05]

Originally posted by burnet44
you need 900 to be in 4A
unless celina has a school for almost double
its a safe bet they will be in 3A a while
i dont care how many people move in
you aint gonna get
500 hs students in a year
thats just stupid
cut off for 3A was 415 btw Argyle almost doubled this past realignment going from 2a to over 530...Argyle will be pushin 4a next realignment the way houses are going up there.....

[bobcat1]

I wonder what Celina could do if they had nearly 700 students to choose from in 3-4 years? :thinking: :thinking: They just barely eased into 3A with their current numbers and are State runner-ups. I guess time will tell. :D

[burnet44]

last time 2a was 414
and you went to 530
even with previous realignment being 389
no way you could double
so you had 265 last year?
you will not be 4a anytime soon

and also as you can see
figures go up a little each time
takes 950
now to be 4A
might be 975 or more next time
which means
you would have to double again before next OCT.

no way



2004-2005 & 2005-2006
5A 1925 & up
4A 900 to 1924
3A 390 to 899
2A 190 to 389
1A 189 & below
* 99.9 & below

2006-2007 & 2007-2008
5A 1985 & up
4A 950 to 1984
3A 415 to 949
2A 195 to 414
1A 194 & below
* 99.9 & below

[sinton66]

Originally posted by Alaska cat
Yup you got a double scoop of good luck, that is all it was.

:rolleyes: I'm sure you're very disappointed that Celina lost, but the outcome isn't going to change. Might as well get used to it.

[mwynn05]

Originally posted by burnet44
last time 2a was 414
and you went to 530
even with previous realignment being 389
no way you could double
so you had 265 last year?
you will not be 4a anytime soon

and also as you can see
figures go up a little each time
takes 950
now to be 4A
might be 975 or more next time
which means
you would have to double again before next OCT.

no way



2004-2005 & 2005-2006
5A 1925 & up
4A 900 to 1924
3A 390 to 899
2A 190 to 389
1A 189 & below
* 99.9 & below

2006-2007 & 2007-2008
5A 1985 & up
4A 950 to 1984
3A 415 to 949
2A 195 to 414
1A 194 & below
* 99.9 & below what do i know i only live 6 miles from there...

[burnet44]

good
did you have 265 enrolled in hs 3rd week of Oct. 2005?
cool

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by mwynn05
what do i know i only live 6 miles from there... I live there. We are happy to have a Brookshires now. It is awesome. The one stoplight is still here. Maybe 10 years we become 4A. But man it will be awesome to field a team from nearly twice as many kids and still be 3A. My goodness there would be a heck of a train wreck some nights! :p ;)

[burnet44]

10 years is possible
not over night
best of luck

you guys had a great team
look foward to next years game
you guys sound loaded

hope we can hang with ya

[mwynn05]

Originally posted by bobcat1
I live there. We are happy to have a Brookshires now. It is awesome. The one stoplight is still here. Maybe 10 years we become 4A. But man it will be awesome to field a team from nearly twice as many kids and still be 3A. My goodness there would be a heck of a train wreck some nights! :p ;) you really think.....ive read different in other places and from being out there some i could kind of see that ti was true...I really have no idea how big the school district is though which has a ton to do with it

[bobcat1]

School district is kinda landlocked by other districts. That's the thing. I don't know how much bigger we will really get. I guess it will depend on how tight they can pack them houses. :dispntd: Some places you could jump from one roof to another.:rolleyes:

[mwynn05]

Originally posted by bobcat1
School district is kinda landlocked by other districts. That's the thing. I don't know how much bigger we will really get. I guess it will depend on how tight they can pack them houses. :dispntd: Some places you could jump from one roof to another.:rolleyes: Yeah, I know Denton ISD is huge and im not sure how far Keller goes out past roaneoak

[tuff26]

What about north toward Gunter. It sure is growing that way

[mwynn05]

Originally posted by tuff26
What about north toward Gunter. It sure is growing that way we were talking about argyle

[kenco13]

Originally posted by burnet44
10 years is possible
not over night
best of luck

you guys had a great team
look foward to next years game
you guys sound loaded

hope we can hang with ya

Hey B44,
Would you have ever thought that night at Pennington Field that both teams would end up playing for a State Title? Robinson had a fantastic season. I'm already ready for some football. LOL Kenco13

[burnet44]

no kiding
we both got second
sorry u guys were disappointed
we did great
coaches kids community
all did well

best thing here
people let the coaches coach
one key to our success
and hard working kids
kinda like you guys huh

good luck next year
except for the first week lol

[Daddy D 11]

i just created this sig..what'll ya'll think??? :D

[sinton66]

It looks good, but please read the rules on sig size.

[bobcat1]

It would look better if you stuck it somewhere else. This thread was not about Sigs ;)

[bobcat1]

Oh I forgot to tell you where to stick it............:D

[bobcat1]

http://www.1atexasfootball.com/images/bmoon.gif

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Do we need to hide and watch? :p

LOL!!!:clap: :clap:

This will probably get me in trouble, but it's just too good to pass up!!

I love ya PPHSfan....I really do!!:D :D


Originally posted by PPHSfan
I challenge you to find a single "hide and watch" post of mine that did not come true.


Originally posted by PPHSfan
Well,

I said it three months ago. Gilmer Rolls. Course, I am not from Gilmer either. Yall watch what Celina does tomorrow night too. Both teams will roll undefeated to titles.:D


Originally posted by PPHSfan
There is no doubt in my mind that Gilmer and Celina will win every game they play this year.


Originally posted by PPHSfan
Hide and watch.

[Hansum Stranger]

To say Celina is landlocked is crazy. Carter Ranch is going to double in size. That housing development alone will be 800+ houses within 2 years. There is also a new housing development fixing to start on CR 134. In the next couple of months 10 more houses will be completed at Wildwood Estates, or whatever they call that off of CR 132. CR 106 is also starting a housing development. Preston Lakes Estates has housing being built that will be completed soon. Celina is growing faster than some people want you to believe it is.

[charlesrixey]

Originally posted by LHdog
I was impressed with Celina's coaching but I was not impressed with their team speed. The lack of overall quickness as a team will be a barrier for them to win state in 3A.

are you kidding me? they are going to have a better team next year and lost this year by a field goal with six seconds left. please explain to me your reasoning

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by charlesrixey
are you kidding me? they are going to have a better team next year and lost this year by a field goal with six seconds left. please explain to me your reasoning

Come on Charles, these guys think we don't know anything about football because we come from 2a. What they don't realize is that some of us know more about football than they do and are not just homers. Living in the Metroplex gives us access to the best high school football in the state every week. Ask this guy how the two teams in the finals got there and he gives you neither had team speed. Which just goes to disprove his point that you have to have speed. He does not remember who we played. Dallas Madison and Shawnbrey Mcneal the number one 3a rated back in the state and 100 meter track champion. And what was that score? 36 - 6 at the half. Here's your sign.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by Hansum Stranger
To say Celina is landlocked is crazy. Carter Ranch is going to double in size. That housing development alone will be 800+ houses within 2 years. There is also a new housing development fixing to start on CR 134. In the next couple of months 10 more houses will be completed at Wildwood Estates, or whatever they call that off of CR 132. CR 106 is also starting a housing development. Preston Lakes Estates has housing being built that will be completed soon. Celina is growing faster than some people want you to believe it is.

Yes and no. It is not growing as fast as it appears and most of the people moving in have elementary age kids. It will be a while before that percolates into HS. I doubt we go 4a before 2014 and probably not till 2016 alignment.

[3afan]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Come on Charles, these guys think we don't know anything about football because we come from 2a. .....



actually, some folks just say stuff to get a reaction ............. don't bite !!!!

Celina is very well respected in the HS football circle, 2A, 3A, whatever ...

[mwynn05]

Originally posted by Hansum Stranger
To say Celina is landlocked is crazy. Carter Ranch is going to double in size. That housing development alone will be 800+ houses within 2 years. There is also a new housing development fixing to start on CR 134. In the next couple of months 10 more houses will be completed at Wildwood Estates, or whatever they call that off of CR 132. CR 106 is also starting a housing development. Preston Lakes Estates has housing being built that will be completed soon. Celina is growing faster than some people want you to believe it is. We were talking about argyle

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by mwynn05
We were talking about argyle Argyle is landlocked. It will get so big then stop. I know that their new construction ordinances have a lot to do with it. It is pretty crazy and growing but it will stop at some point. They will flat run out of room.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by 3afan
actually, some folks just say stuff to get a reaction ............. don't bite !!!!

Celina is very well respected in the HS football circle, 2A, 3A, whatever ...
Oh I realize that but some of these guys really think that there is some phenomenal difference between 2 and 3a. We fielded a good team this year. Probably the 3rd best in the last few maybe
fourth. We were weak in a couple of key areas due to injuries this year at LB and our DE's were not up to Tyler Franklin from last year. And still we held LH to their lowest points total. Our offense was a little down too. Just enough. Last years team would have rolled.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Oh I realize that but some of these guys really think that there is some phenomenal difference between 2 and 3a. We fielded a good team this year. Probably the 3rd best in the last few maybe
fourth. We were weak in a couple of key areas due to injuries this year at LB and our DE's were not up to Tyler Franklin from last year. And still we held LH to their lowest points total. Our offense was a little down too. Just enough. Last years team would have rolled.

It is that last line I think that put off alot of non-Celina folks. You say fans of 3A dont respect Celina because it is coming up to 2A..Well alot feel Celina fans dont respect the 3A programs and assume Celina will roll every week, and if you dont it then is because of injuries and not because you simply got beat by a better team

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
It is that last line I think that put off alot of non-Celina folks. You say fans of 3A dont respect Celina because it is coming up to 2A..Well alot feel Celina fans dont respect the 3A programs and assume Celina will roll every week, and if you dont it then is because of injuries and not because you simply got beat by a better team

See you are exactly what I mean. I am not saying this as a Celina
homer. I just know the personnel and can claim knowledge that is not readily available to the average person. I am not saying we did not get beat. Injuries happen. We did the best we could
with a bunch of sophs and a great freshman linebacker who played lights out. I cannot wait to see what Caleb is like next year with the experience and ability he gained this year. But last years team Was the best team we ever fielded. 803 pf to 75 pa.
And we have been playing 3a programs for years. Royce City was one of our regulars while we were 2a. Little Elm was also and they are a 4a program now and will not play us.

[LHdog]

I've had the previlege to watch many 3a playoff games over the last 30 years and my observations are just that, my observations. Celina is a fine team, with excellent coaches and dedicated kids but athletically, neither Celina nor Liberty Hill compare favorably to some 3a teams that I have seen play in the past. For example, the 2002 Everman team (D1 champs) and the 2003 Atlanta team (D11 champs) were two of the most talented 3a teams I have ever seen play. Those two teams had speed and quickness at every postion. All I said was that I was not impressed Celina's overall team quickness. Just an observation.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
See you are exactly what I mean. I am not saying this as a Celina
homer. I just know the personnel and can claim knowledge that is not readily available to the average person. I am not saying we did not get beat. Injuries happen. We did the best we could
with a bunch of sophs and a great freshman linebacker who played lights out. I cannot wait to see what Caleb is like next year with the experience and ability he gained this year. But last years team Was the best team we ever fielded. 803 pf to 75 pa.

Yes you had a great team last year..but you can not assume automatically if you took the exact same team and moved up in class it would have rolled...just like another person cant assume Celina would have fallen on their face. Last year in 2A title game Paul Pewitt gave Celina everything they could handle, and I cant assume that the Paul Pewitt team could have jumped up to 3A and been in the title game. It just does not work that way.

Yes 2A and 3A have similarities, but there is truly differences though subtle, still makes a difference when it comes to play-offs and winning titles...And yes I think Celina will win a title in the next couple of years...Dont assume because someone does not agree that Celina football will always win, that they dont know football. Just a difference of opinion

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by LHdog
I've had the previlege to watch many 3a playoff games over the last 30 years and my observations are just that, my observations. Celina is a fine team, with excellent coaches and dedicated kids but athletically, neither Celina nor Liberty Hill compare favorably to some 3a teams that I have seen play in the past. For example, the 2002 Everman team (D1 champs) and the 2003 Atlanta team (D11 champs) were two of the most talented 3a teams I have ever seen play. Those two teams had speed and quickness at every postion. All I said was that I was not impressed Celina's overall team quickness. Just an observation.

I agree. We were slower this year than in years past. But it is about overall team speed not individual speed that makes the most difference and while we had no burners we were also short
on slugs as well.

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Come on Charles, these guys think we don't know anything about football because we come from 2a. What they don't realize is that some of us know more about football than they do and are not just homers.
I think most people recognize that. But it seems that there is some of that same thought process toward the rest of us. It just sounds a little presumptious to some of us (okay, me...) to see "Celina will be undefeated & win state in 2007" when lots of things can happen each and every week once the season starts.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
I think most people recognize that. But it seems that there is some of that same thought process toward the rest of us. It just sounds a little presumptious to some of us (okay, me...) to see "Celina will be undefeated & win state in 2007" when lots of things can happen each and every week once the season starts.

I agree with that too Mom. But the simple truth is that reg 2 does not look to scary next year. D1 should be worried about Gilmer but who should we be worried about. We have a luxury that you do not. Weak region overall. You guys have neighbors that are beasts while we work hard to find a beast to schedule.
The only tough games for us are state semis and finals while you have to scrap just to get a decent playoff position. I do not know
whether we can win state but I likes our chances of getting close.
We were hurt some this year at different time but came out on top anyway. And you of all people know how that works. Great coaching. Vance did a great job and is going to make you competitors year in and out no matter who is playing. It makes it an even bet that you get far. Great system and coach equals most of the battle. You have to have a little luck( no injuries, etc)
but you have a good chance. Good luck to the Panthers. I really enjoyed the game and the class and enthusiasm of both the team
and the fans. I would see that game again any time.

[Daddy D 11]

Originally posted by bobcat1
Oh I forgot to tell you where to stick it............:D


my bad...you're right, i should probably put it next to our Trophy that says the same thing ! :D


all fun bobcat..all fun :p

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Yes you had a great team last year..but you can not assume automatically if you took the exact same team and moved up in class it would have rolled...just like another person cant assume Celina would have fallen on their face. Last year in 2A title game Paul Pewitt gave Celina everything they could handle, and I cant assume that the Paul Pewitt team could have jumped up to 3A and been in the title game. It just does not work that way.

Yes 2A and 3A have similarities, but there is truly differences though subtle, still makes a difference when it comes to play-offs and winning titles...And yes I think Celina will win a title in the next couple of years...Dont assume because someone does not agree that Celina football will always win, that they dont know football. Just a difference of opinion

I can say for sure that last year Pewitt was about as good as we were this year. I do not think they win a title but I think last years Pewitt team makes it to the finals. They had the defense to do it with. And last year it was turnovers that caused our problems as they had 9 points on turnovers. The defense stopped them completely in the second half and forced them to throw which they could not. Libert Hill was a much better team in that regard.

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
I agree with that too Mom. But the simple truth is that reg 2 does not look to scary next year. D1 should be worried about Gilmer but who should we be worried about. We have a luxury that you do not. Weak region overall. You guys have neighbors that are beasts while we work hard to find a beast to schedule.
The only tough games for us are state semis and finals while you have to scrap just to get a decent playoff position. I do not know
whether we can win state but I likes our chances of getting close.
We were hurt some this year at different time but came out on top anyway. And you of all people know how that works. Great coaching. Vance did a great job and is going to make you competitors year in and out no matter who is playing. It makes it an even bet that you get far. Great system and coach equals most of the battle. You have to have a little luck( no injuries, etc)
but you have a good chance. Good luck to the Panthers. I really enjoyed the game and the class and enthusiasm of both the team
and the fans. I would see that game again any time.
I totally understand where you're coming from. And, though I like the position our team will be in as far as returning starters, etc I wouldn't even consider this early at predicting what will happen almost a year from now. I was very happy we made it through the end of the season without injuries.


:( If I wasn't working right now, I'd rewatch the game this afternoon. :D Definitely was a good one.

[sinton66]

I can tell the Celina fans that LH also had some stars on the past two teams that would have contributed greatly to their success this year. Unfortunately, they graduated and couldn't participate. Last year was last year. What counts this year is current personnel and how they performed.

Guys, we're all WELL aware of Celina's accomplishments. No one will dispute your past record, but, as I said before, NOTHING should be taken for granted in highschool football. It's unpredictable, and that's why we all love it so much. Take some of what is said here with a grain of salt.

With all that said, best of luck to the Bobcats in the coming year. With all you have coming back, you certainly should be in contention.

[Daddy D 11]

LHPM, is Vance still sellling copies? or is yours a personal copy?

just curious cause i'm chomping at the bit to get me a copy :)

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
LHPM, is Vance still sellling copies? or is yours a personal copy?

just curious cause i'm chomping at the bit to get me a copy :)
I'm not positive about him still selling since school has been out. LHPD videotaped it.

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by Daddy D 11
my bad...you're right, i should probably put it next to our Trophy that says the same thing ! :D


all fun bobcat..all fun :p

Always will be fun until somebody takes it wrong. Good luck to ya this year and until we meet again! Maybe this year, maybe not.

You know in a way I'm glad y'all won that. I was looking at the trophy case the other day. We would have had to spend a bunch of money to add room. Thanks! :D

[Hansum Stranger]

Originally posted by mwynn05
We were talking about argyle

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Bobcat1 was referring to Celina.

[Daddy D 11]

always there to help out the needy bobcat1 :D

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by Hansum Stranger
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Bobcat1 was referring to Celina. Yes you are correct. I agree they will stack them in like cord wood, but with gas above $2 a gallon, it seems the migration has slowed and actually may have reversed somewhat.


Originally posted by Daddy D 11
always there to help out the needy bobcat1.:D

Hey we will share with you ...........................once.:D

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
I totally understand where you're coming from. And, though I like the position our team will be in as far as returning starters, etc I wouldn't even consider this early at predicting what will happen almost a year from now. I was very happy we made it through the end of the season without injuries.


:( If I wasn't working right now, I'd rewatch the game this afternoon. :D Definitely was a good one.

You know you make an interesting point. Most places probably work that way. We are watching round ball now and I do love round ball. The Mavs are looking like they may be back again and better than last year. But for some reason a lot of Celina just never really puts the football down. I actually am considering a book of some sort of Celina football history for the last 50 years although it may be just a personal research deal more than likely.
But it comes down to the fact that I love football and Celina seems to love it almost as avidly. I won't go so far as to boast an undefeated season etc but I know the area so well and see that we have a deep team again next year. Probably as deep as our 2005 team and maybe nearly as good. These kids just keep coming up and like one 8th grader said last year,"We are working hard so we won't be the team that loses a game." Crazy mentality. But sure fire fun for football junkies like me.

[espn1]

One lil tidbit that you might have overlooked is. that Liberty Hill should be better next year. They're young also.

[Dominicfrank]

Not sure that Celina wont be in the title hunt every year. They didnt get good all of the sudden. They are a great program. I just feel sorry for the old school programs that will never go 4A, in fact are closer to going 2A than ever going the other direction. The small towns will have a hard time winning titles with all the metroplex growth. There will always be 3A teams that stay few years then go up to 4A. Celina is one of them, Wylie, is one of them, but teams like Vernon, Iowa Park, Graham, Sweetwater, Snyder, etc.. will never grow and always have the ups and downs of talent/talentless years.

[Hansum Stranger]

Originally posted by bobcat1
it seems the migration has slowed and actually may have reversed somewhat.





That's not good for the pocketbook :(

[BILLYFRED0000]

You are right about that HS. But it will eventually fill up out here.
I am thinking that the real stampede will begin once the tollway reaches 380. That will build Prosper up fast. They should be 4a by 2010. And that will actually create issues for Celina as the infrastructure(i.e. roads) are not sufficient to the task. Just getting to 380 thru Prosper could become a chore since only business 289 and 289 empty out on 380.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by espn1
One lil tidbit that you might have overlooked is. that Liberty Hill should be better next year. They're young also.

I don't doubt it. But the shear numbers of football players in Celina is crazy for a school it's size. I heard Coach Ford say that 150 young men are scheduled to tryout for the Varsity. When you look at the fact that we probably will have abou 440 in HS next year that is just over the top. We field teams equal in size to some of the big programs in 3a. My 5 year old boy is 60 pounds and strong. He is already working on his tackling because he "wants to be a Bobcat" when he grows up. And he is one of many.

[CelinaCatFan]

I agree that Celina should be in the title hunt next year. However, each year brings new challenges. We can't take anything for granted!

On another note, it is a good possibility that Celina will go 4A by 2010. They are currently planning for a high school that will support 1,500 students (funding for the new school was already approved in our last school bond election).

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by CelinaCatFan
I agree that Celina should be in the title hunt next year. However, each year brings new challenges. We can't take anything for granted!

On another note, it is a good possibility that Celina will go 4A by 2010. They are currently planning for a high school that will support 1,500 students (funding for the new school was already approved in our last school bond election).

Yes, they plan to open the building in fall of 08. However I doubt we will make the cut for 4a by then. For one thing I believe that the UIL will be forced to increase 4a again because too many schools are in 5a in many districts particularly in Houston. I think that it will be over 1000 to remain in 3a quickly and proportionately the bottom of 3a might get close to 470 or so in the same time frame. The one area that the UIL has space in is 3a and that is what they will try to fill. There are a lot of schools that could meet that requirement but it will have to come from the top down. It is either that or create 6a. And while it makes the most sense the UIL seems to want to stay away from that position. Money reasons most probably.

[espn1]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
I don't doubt it. But the shear numbers of football players in Celina is crazy for a school it's size. I heard Coach Ford say that 150 young men are scheduled to tryout for the Varsity. When you look at the fact that we probably will have abou 440 in HS next year that is just over the top. We field teams equal in size to some of the big programs in 3a. My 5 year old boy is 60 pounds and strong. He is already working on his tackling because he "wants to be a Bobcat" when he grows up. And he is one of many.
Welcome to Texas! You just described about 80% of the Towns in Texas.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by espn1
Welcome to Texas! You just described about 80% of the Towns in Texas.

More like 40 percent. I am a native Texan and we have more kids
on the field than a lot of schools twice our size. And more than almost everyone our size. I know. We have seen all the good 2a programs over the last 12 years.

[marler1972]

I would say that we may move up by 2011. We have some big classes coming thru elementry and jr high. I have been told that the 7th grade class this year is the biggest class they have had in jr high.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by marler1972
I would say that we may move up by 2011. We have some big classes coming thru elementry and jr high. I have been told that the 7th grade class this year is the biggest class they have had in jr high.

Yes that is what I have down. I think the 2012 alignment we will be close or in depending on what the UIL does.

[marler1972]

The tollway is suppose to be open this coming September. I have also heard that Collin county is fixing to start building the access roads into Celina city limits for the tollway.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by marler1972
The tollway is suppose to be open this coming September. I have also heard that Collin county is fixing to start building the access roads into Celina city limits for the tollway.

Yes and that will begin the stampede. I don't think they will be complete for a couple of years yet. But the Tollway is probably close to schedule and looks like it will open on 380 in September.
You realize that Prosper is going to balloon up fast and then it will be our turn. I am hoping it will take at least a little while before we become a two highschool town. Like at least 12 years so my youngest can graduate from a single school Celina that I hope will somewhat resemble what we have now.

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Yes and that will begin the stampede. I don't think they will be complete for a couple of years yet. But the Tollway is probably close to schedule and looks like it will open on 380 in September.
You realize that Prosper is going to balloon up fast and then it will be our turn. I am hoping it will take at least a little while before we become a two highschool town. Like at least 12 years so my youngest can graduate from a single school Celina that I hope will somewhat resemble what we have now.

My mom and stepdad live off of 380 and 1385...probably about a half a mile down 1385. When they moved there 10 years ago, they were basically "out in the country". Now that the "Savannah" housing edition has gone in right there, they are looking to move away.

I missed my turn when I was there 2 weeks ago, I wasn't expecting a stop light to be at that intersection.

It's crazy how it's growing around there. They moved from Frisco and it was just a little podunk town at that time, didn't even have a regular grocery store, just a little mom and pop joint!

[marler1972]

I hear ya. my son will be a 5th grader next year . He is in Mesquite right now with his mom but come next year he will be up here. He is ready to live here so he can become a Bobcat. I also have been told that we will be a one school town no matter what.

[OldNavy]

Originally posted by LHdog
I've had the previlege to watch many 3a playoff games over the last 30 years and my observations are just that, my observations. Celina is a fine team, with excellent coaches and dedicated kids but athletically, neither Celina nor Liberty Hill compare favorably to some 3a teams that I have seen play in the past. For example, the 2002 Everman team (D1 champs) and the 2003 Atlanta team (D11 champs) were two of the most talented 3a teams I have ever seen play. Those two teams had speed and quickness at every postion. All I said was that I was not impressed Celina's overall team quickness. Just an observation.

My observation is that Everman had about 500 more enrollment than Celina and Atlanta had or has about 200 more. It could be that when Celina's enrollment gets larger, they may have more speed and quickness. In the mean time, playing solid, fundamental football, gets Celina pretty far year after year. If they have more speed and quickness and still play solid fundamentally, they should be better. We may find out soon as Celina grows.

[LHPfactory]

LH is growing also and a toll road is being built right now along with the Parmer extension. I dont want it to get that big out here, thats why I moved out here. our enrollment for highschool this year was 599 according to texas football. I wouldnt mind being a large 3A or even eventually 4A, but I hope we never get to mutiple 5A highschools, at least not till my sons finish school.

[WildTexan]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
You are right about that HS. But it will eventually fill up out here.
I am thinking that the real stampede will begin once the tollway reaches 380. That will build Prosper up fast. They should be 4a by 2010. And that will actually create issues for Celina as the infrastructure(i.e. roads) are not sufficient to the task. Just getting to 380 thru Prosper could become a chore since only business 289 and 289 empty out on 380.

Prosper's problem with growth is being more landlocked than some towns in Collin County....they do have space for homes to reach 4A, but they won't grow like Frisco.....by 2025, Celina could be the 4th largest town in Collin County, since Celina has huge land mass to grow into, even over the bordering county lines....I do not think Celina will go 2 school for decades, but someday that may be tough to keep going.....as new folks move in they can take over the school board, so THIS school board or coaching staff saying they will never go more than 1 school is not likely to hold up.....

And, the tollroad extentions to Celina from 380 are still a couple years away from beginning....the tollroad to 380 by Frisco is not going to finish by September, so that will back em up some....and thoe other projects on the current toll roadways are going to get priority over the 380 north extention due to limited traffic flow up north, by toll authority standards...

[BILLYFRED0000]

But in the meantime we will go 69 and 0 to create the new state
record in wins. or maybe not....... But whatever happens Celina will continue to play good solid football for a while as Coach
Ford says some day he will retire and a replacement is already in place on the staff etc etc etc. So I am really looking forward to playing in 3a because it is competitive and in my opinion still a good look at smaller school football. I do miss 2a because you don't get to play Childress or Crawford or Pewitt which are first rate programs from small schools. They could all be competitive in 3a although they suffer from the same problems all other small schools do with fluctuation of talent.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
But in the meantime we will go 69 and 0 to create the new state
record in wins. or maybe not....... But whatever happens Celina will continue to play good solid football for a while as Coach Ford says some day he will retire and a replacement is already in place on the staff etc etc etc. So I am really looking forward to playing in 3a because it is competitive and in my opinion still a good look at smaller school football. I do miss 2a because you don't get to play Childress or Crawford or Pewitt which are first rate programs from small schools. They could all be competitive in 3a although they suffer from the same problems all other small schools do with fluctuation of talent.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Sorry about the quote there. Meant to be a correction but if I keep picking at it it just gets worse.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Hey does this qualify as a "worn out thread"?.....;)

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Hey does this qualify as a "worn out thread"?.....;)

It had already qualified several days ago!!:p

[neo800]

Less than a myear celina will win state!

[Dominicfrank]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Yes, they plan to open the building in fall of 08. However I doubt we will make the cut for 4a by then. For one thing I believe that the UIL will be forced to increase 4a again because too many schools are in 5a in many districts particularly in Houston. I think that it will be over 1000 to remain in 3a quickly and proportionately the bottom of 3a might get close to 470 or so in the same time frame. The one area that the UIL has space in is 3a and that is what they will try to fill. There are a lot of schools that could meet that requirement but it will have to come from the top down. It is either that or create 6a. And while it makes the most sense the UIL seems to want to stay away from that position. Money reasons most probably.

Well if 3A keeps going up in limits then towns like Vernon, Graham, Iowa Park, will all be 2A shortly. I wouldnt mind that, I feel all those towns are at a huge disadvantage against Metroplex schools.

[BILLYFRED0000]

That is understandable. I just want this thread to hit 100. Then
let it rip.

[BILLYFRED0000]

I just wish we were bigger. We have a lot of multi-sport players.
A couple of our best round ballers happen to be all state football
players as well. District is ready to start by the time Celina football season is usually over.

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Dominicfrank
Well if 3A keeps going up in limits then towns like Vernon, Graham, Iowa Park, will all be 2A shortly. I wouldnt mind that, I feel all those towns are at a huge disadvantage against Metroplex schools.

What are those schools numbers...do you know?

I think Greenwood was in the 490's this past realignment!

[BILLYFRED0000]

I don't know about their school sizes but I do not think that Greenwood is in any danger of dropping. I think the sizes will probably stabilize from 450 to 470 in the next 10 years or so.
It is more likely that UIL will finally create a 6a than spread the sizes out much more.....

[TheDOCTORdre]

i dont even know why i opened this thread

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by TheDOCTORdre
i dont even know why i opened this thread I do! Because of that longing to see BillyFred post to infinity and beyond!:p

[charlesrixey]

I'd rather see a continuance of the 5A-Six man system and a 96-team, single division playoff.

[charlesrixey]

Originally posted by Dominicfrank
Well if 3A keeps going up in limits then towns like Vernon, Graham, Iowa Park, will all be 2A shortly. I wouldnt mind that, I feel all those towns are at a huge disadvantage against Metroplex schools.

Pretty soon there won't be more than two-three (much like 5A) districts in west texas in 3A, if that's the case. The disparity will continue to grow between west texas and the rest of the state.

[neo800]

Les than a year until celina wins state!No one will beat them next year.Watch

[neo800]

One more day closer till 2007 state champs!

[Daddy D 11]

one more day closer till we get our 2006 STATE CHAMPIONSHIP rings :D

[neo800]

Yea we only have 7.;)

[rundoe]

We have no intentions of stopping at one!!!!! As it was put yesterday at the ring sizing:

"Welcome to our first ANNUAL State Championship Ring Sizing!!!!!"

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by rundoe
We have no intentions of stopping at one!!!!! As it was put yesterday at the ring sizing:

"Welcome to our first ANNUAL State Chamionship Ring Sizing!!!!!" It's nice to always have good intentions though. ;) :p

[LHPfactory]

Originally posted by bobcat1
It's nice to always have good intentions though. ;) :p

Come on b1, we had the jitters this year in the rookie championship game. Next time we wont put the ball on the ground 4 times and drop a td pass. We will be veterns like yall, the score will be something like LH-42 Celina 3 (+/-3).....hahaha

[neo800]

yea and next time you guys wont stop us on 4 times on 4th and 1 and we had like 450 yards of offence and missed extra potnts and a 20 yard fg.You guys got us and yall are champs this year.2006 was to be a rebuilding year for celina so next year maby we will meet agin.;)

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
What are those schools numbers...do you know?

I think Greenwood was in the 490's this past realignment!

Here are the enrollment numbers for Vernon (603), Graham (763.5), Iowa Park (611) and Greenwood sitting at 492. I don't know if anyone of those schools are in danger of dropping down anytime soon.

[rundoe]

As I have said before, every year is a rebuilding year for every High School. Nothing new there. Every one loses kids to injury and graduation, and everyone has move -in's that change the team. It happens. Nothing new about it.

We'll see about next year. I heard all this before the game this year too. How we couldn't run against the 10-1, stop the quarterback, etc, etc. But we did.

We heard the same thing from all the other undefeated teams we had to beat on our way to the Championship. No one can stop this guy or that guy. I heard it all on here. But we did.

You guys played us hard. Good classy team and coaching staff for sure.

We're not hanging up any cleats, and will be just as prepared to play every game as we were this year.

So talk your talk, we'll walk our walk and see where everyone winds up. It's a ways off yet, but don't forget who we are:

The Liberty Hill Panthers State Champs

Nuff Said!!

[rundoe]

Originally posted by bobcat1
It's nice to always have good intentions though. ;) :p

Well Said Bobcat. Of Course, I am sure you had them too when you met up with us.

[rundoe]

Originally posted by WildTexan
What kind of halfwit watches a game that takes the winner to kick a fieldgoal with 10 seconds left (after said team misses 2 EP's and a FG) to win state and think that their team speed is inadequate to win it all?

fact is if the kicking game was just about Celina average, they would be state champs right now, but the kicking game failed regardless of the team speed and THAT is all that stopped them from a 3A title....Celina did as good a job of figuring out the LH offense as about anyone, so if they see em again it will be shut down, and the standard Celina offense will roll again...

2007 3A D2 State Champs - Celina Bobcats....yep....bank on it...

so let it be written, so let it be done.....

I think I have heard all this before, no wait, I am sure I did, repeatedly, constantly, stat after stat, History, Speed or the lack of it. The 10-1. In fact I heard it so much I quit reading it. I sure hope I don't have to hear this drivel all year long.

I'll keep my money in my Liberty Hill Bank. It's much safer there.

[rundoe]

Originally posted by 44INAROW
Can I get an AMEN?

AMEN!!!!!!! ( I have said THAT before too) It's High School Football and Anything can Happen!!)

Hey guess what, it can even happen in Pro Ball too, Just ask Romo.

[rundoe]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Do we need to hide and watch? :p

NAW!!!! Let's watch from the stands!!!!

[rundoe]

Originally posted by Alaska cat
Yup you got a double scoop of good luck, that is all it was.

Hummm, Ya think??? That would have to have been at least a gallon of luck to defeat all those undefeated teams in the playoffs.

It wasn't luck.

[rundoe]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
It had already qualified several days ago!!:p

Shoot it Mom, Quick. lol

[OldNavy]

Originally posted by WildTexan
Prosper's problem with growth is being more landlocked than some towns in Collin County....they do have space for homes to reach 4A, but they won't grow like Frisco.....by 2025, Celina could be the 4th largest town in Collin County, since Celina has huge land mass to grow into, even over the bordering county lines....I do not think Celina will go 2 school for decades, but someday that may be tough to keep going.....as new folks move in they can take over the school board, so THIS school board or coaching staff saying they will never go more than 1 school is not likely to hold up.....

And, the tollroad extentions to Celina from 380 are still a couple years away from beginning....the tollroad to 380 by Frisco is not going to finish by September, so that will back em up some....and thoe other projects on the current toll roadways are going to get priority over the 380 north extention due to limited traffic flow up north, by toll authority standards...

I spoke with a Collin County commissioner last week and he told me they are ready to let the contract for construction on the extension lanes north of HWY 380. Construction won't take 2 years, unless it rains a lot! The extension lanes are a county project and not NTTA. That will start the traffic, and NTTA will count it. Don't know how much longer for the the traffic to get to 40,000 a day which is the trigger point for "Toll Road" extension but it may not be very long as it opens a great deal of land for development expansion.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by rundoe
As I have said before, every year is a rebuilding year for every High School. Nothing new there. Every one loses kids to injury and graduation, and everyone has move -in's that change the team. It happens. Nothing new about it.
We'll see about next year. I heard all this before the game this year too. How we couldn't run against the 10-1, stop the quarterback, etc, etc. But we did.
We heard the same thing from all the other undefeated teams we had to beat on our way to the Championship. No one can stop this guy or that guy. I heard it all on here. But we did.
You guys played us hard. Good classy team and coaching staff or sure.
We're not hanging up any cleats, and will be just as prepared to play every game as we were this year.
So talk your talk, we'll walk our walk and see where everyone winds up. It's a ways off yet, but don't forget who we are:
The Liberty Hill Panthers State Champs
Nuff Said!!

You might want to kill a little bit of that 10-1 chatter. Tell me who held you to the lowest point total of the year. Oh never mind it was us. It was your defense that saved you. I figured we would score 28 and that was the number to win. I figured you would have 21. I was close.
But on reloading you are flat wrong. There is reloading when you get most of your team back and rebuilding when you don't. We started the year with 6 returning starters. And none of gthem were skill positions. I call that rebuilding.
Reloading is what we are doing this year. Returning 16 starters,
and all but two skill positions. So you may not like to hear that you beat a rebuilding Celina team but that was a fact. I thought we had the best freshman on the field. Oh yeah, the only starting freshman on the field. Nice try rundoe but lighten up.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by OldNavy
I spoke with a Collin County commissioner last week and he told me they are ready to let the contract for construction on the extension lanes north of HWY 380. Construction won't take 2 years, unless it rains a lot! The extension lanes are a county project and not NTTA. That will start the traffic, and NTTA will count it. Don't know how much longer for the the traffic to get to 40,000 a day which is the trigger point for "Toll Road" extension but it may not be very long as it opens a great deal of land for development expansion.

Well, I hope it comes but who knows. Collin County is usually pretty good about this stuff that is for sure.