Best HS dynasty in Texas history?

[big daddy russ]

I saw a poll yesterday on the SLC/Westlake game that asked if SLC was the biggest football dynasty in the history of Texas football. Of course viewers said yes by an 87% margin, but as a knowledgeable fan, would you agree?

Sealy's run of four straight in the mid-90's, LaMarque's run during that same span, Celina's 68-game winning streak, and Breckenridge's run through the 50's all came to mind when they asked that question. Who would you give it to?

[carter08]

Right now Sealy
next year we'll see about Southlake

Sealy has fallen on hard times recently

[Matthew328]

IMO its Southlake and its not even close....the competition in Class 5A is ridiculous year in and year out....Southlake began their run as a 1st year 5A school which is also impressive....finally the Dragons have lost one game in the last 5 years...one game! That game was a one point loss in the state title game and the Dragons were driving for the game winning score..if Southlake wins that game then they would be on an 80 GAME WINNING STREAK! 80 games...think about that

[bandera7]

SLC gets it I think. They completely dominate every aspect of every game they have played in the last 4 or 5 years? And not just win, completely dominate, to the point where you feel sorry for the other team because they are so embarrassed.

[Chris Hart]

Originally posted by Matthew328
IMO its Southlake and its not even close....the competition in Class 5A is ridiculous year in and year out....Southlake began their run as a 1st year 5A school which is also impressive....finally the Dragons have lost one game in the last 5 years...one game! That game was a one point loss in the state title game and the Dragons were driving for the game winning score..if Southlake wins that game then they would be on an 80 GAME WINNING STREAK! 80 games...think about that Agreed! Nothing compares to what the Dragons have done IMO.

[Old Tiger]

SLC no doubt

[BILLYFRED0000]

Celina is the best. Simply because we have been winning the longest with the highest winning percentages over the last 40 years

Celina 398 84 6 with an 82.17 winning percentage.
SLC 371 112 8 with an 76..37 winning percentage.

And remember that slc was small school before big school.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Celina is the best. Simply because we have been winning the longest with the highest winning percentages over the last 40 years

Celina 398 84 6 with an 82.17 winning percentage.
SLC 371 112 8 with an 76..37 winning percentage.

And remember that slc was small school before big school. Okay...Celina was in 2a...SLC is in 5a

[WOS87]

I guess it all depends on your definition of "Dynasty" and how long of a time period is necessary to qualify as one.

For any period 7 years or less, Southlake Carroll and Celina run neck and neck with Southlake having the edge. Celina takes it in the 8-10 year window, Converse Judson for 15-25 year window, Odessa Permian for a 25-40 year window, Plano for 40 to 60 year window, and Amarillo if you're talking longer than that...

Best Records over consecutive seasons by total combined wins

1 Season - Southlake Carroll - 7 seasons going 16-0-0
2 Seasons - Southlake Carroll - 32-0-0 ('92-'93, '04-'05, '05-'06)
3 Seasons - Southlake Carroll - 48-0-0 ('04-'06) and Celina - 48-0-0 ('99-'01)
4 Seasons - Southlake Carroll - 63-1-0 ('02-'05, '03-'06) and Sealy (63-1-0) ('94-'97)
5 Seasons - Southlake Carroll - 79-1-0 ('02-'06)
6 Seasons - Southlake Carroll - 89-6-0 ('01-'06)
7 Seasons - Southlake Carroll - 102-3-1 ('87-'93)
8 Seasons - Celina - 113-5-0 ('99-'06)
9 Seasons - Celina - 127-7-0 ('98-'06)
10 Seasons - Celina - 138-10-0 ('97-'06)
15 Seasons - Converse Judson - 190-23-5 ('82-'96)
30 Seasons - Odessa Permian - 332-42-11 ('65-'94)
40 Seasons - Plano - 401- 88-9 ('61-'00)

[WOS87]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
Celina is the best. Simply because we have been winning the longest with the highest winning percentages over the last 40 years

Celina 398 84 6 with an 82.17 winning percentage.


Plano is the only school ever to win 400 games in 40 years winning 401 from 1961-2000.

Odessa Permian also had a 40 year window where they won 399 from 1960-1999 so Celina hasn't had the best 40 seasons ever... close though.

[GAP22]

Yes, I am from Celina but needed to throw in our vote.

Texas High School Winning Percentage Rankings

Since 2000 – Celina 1st – 95% (79 wins, 4 losses)
Southlake Carroll 3rd – 87%

Since 1995 – Celina 1st – 92%, (131 wins, 10 losses)
Ennis 5th
Highland Park 7th
SLC 9th

Since 1985 – Celina 1st – 85.8%
SLC 2nd - 85.5%

Since 1965 – Celina 1st – 81.29%
Odessa Permian 2nd – 79.9%

Since 1955 – Plano 1st
Odessa Permian 2nd
Celina 3rd

Not to mention the 7 state titles
State record number of playoff victories in a row 25
State record 68 streight wins

[Old Tiger]

So put Celina's best team against SLC's best team....who wins....SLC

[GAP22]

Well, to do that you would need to apples to apples.

Celina best 2A team vs SLC best 2A team

Celina best 3A team vs SLC best 3A team

and so forth,

in this scenario, I take Celina

[WOS87]

It's hard to believe but Southlake Carroll and Celina were in the same district up until 1985 and they continued to play each other until 1987. Celina actually beat them in 1985.

1984
SLC - 7
Celina - 6

1985
Celina - 14
SLC - 3

1986
SLC - 30
Celina - 0

1987
SLC - 42
Celina - 0

[WOS87]

Originally posted by GAP22
Well, to do that you would need to apples to apples.

Celina best 2A team vs SLC best 2A team

Celina best 3A team vs SLC best 3A team

and so forth,

in this scenario, I take Celina

I rate SLC's 1992 team not far behind Daingerfield 1983...

SLC went 112-5-1 during their 8 seasons in 3A and won 3 state titles... Celina has already lost 4 games in 3A and you've only been here 3 seasons....

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by GAP22
Well, to do that you would need to apples to apples.

Celina best 2A team vs SLC best 2A team

Celina best 3A team vs SLC best 3A team

and so forth,

in this scenario, I take Celina Nope the question is what is the best Dynasty so you would have to take a team from that dynasty. SLC is the best dynasty on the highest level of competition in Texas

[WOS87]

Originally posted by Tiger WR
Nope the question is what is the best Dynasty so you would have to take a team from that dynasty. SLC is the best dynasty on the highest level of competition in Texas

A dynasty just implies dominance at whatever level you are playing at... there can be 1A Dynasties just as well as 5A Dynasties... to compare them you would compare how dominant they were against their respective competition... not against each other.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by WOS87
A dynasty just implies dominance at whatever level you are playing at... there can be 1A Dynasties just as well as 5A Dynasties... to compare them you would compare how dominant they were against their respective competition... not against each other. SLC has dominated everybody except, Katy, Lufkin, and Trinity

[carter08]

Originally posted by Tiger WR
SLC has dominated everybody

NEVER QUESTION WOS87 :mad: :mad: :mad:

[WOS87]

Originally posted by Tiger WR
SLC has dominated everybody except, Katy, Lufkin, and Trinity


Not everybody...

They're 1-4 against Highland Park all-time

[Old Tiger]

I'm talking about from their time in 5a

[Matthew328]

SLC's best 3A team would beat Celina's best 3A IMO 1992 SLC is one of the top 5 3A teams of all-time

[WOS87]

Originally posted by carter08
NEVER QUESTION WOS87 :mad: :mad: :mad:


lol

:clap:

The funny thing is that I agree with what you're saying... SLC is most definitely on the short list of programs that would qualify for Greatest Dynasty of All-Time, but there are also arguments for Permian, Plano, Converse Judson, and Celina and a few others....

There is no ONE answer because the term "Dynasty" doesn't have a set definition that allows you to unequivocally determine which is the greatest when referring to a sports program...

[Old Tiger]

dy·nas·ty /ˈdaɪnəsti; Brit. also ˈdɪnəsti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[dahy-nuh-stee; Brit. also din-uh-stee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties. 1. a sequence of rulers from the same family, stock, or group: the Ming dynasty.
2. the rule of such a sequence.
3. a series of members of a family who are distinguished for their success, wealth, etc.




Sorry had to be a smartass :p

[WOS87]

Originally posted by Tiger WR
dy·nas·ty /ˈdaɪnəsti; Brit. also ˈdɪnəsti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[dahy-nuh-stee; Brit. also din-uh-stee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties. 1. a sequence of rulers from the same family, stock, or group: the Ming dynasty.
2. the rule of such a sequence.
3. a series of members of a family who are distinguished for their success, wealth, etc.

Sorry had to be a smartass :p

ummm.. okay... now tell me who the greatest HS dynasty in Texas history is using the above definition

[GAP22]

Originally posted by WOS87
lol

:clap:

The funny thing is that I agree with what your saying... SLC is most definitely on the short list of programs that would qualify for Greatest Dynasty of All-Time, but there are also arguments for Permian, Plano, Converse Judson, and Celina and a few others....

There is no ONE answer because the term "Dynasty" doesn't have a set definition that allows you to unequivocally determine which is the greatest when referring to a sports program...

I agree with you about "Dynasty doesn't have a set definition".

It fun to talk about though and yes there are a number of schools that would fall into this category of debate, thanks for including Celina.

[Old Tiger]

Hell I don't know I just posted it :p I'm only 19 so I have modern dynasties to go by. SLC has been very impressive in their little run. Like Matt said earlier 1 game seperates SLC from having a 80 game win streak and that loss was in the state championships. The only teams to play SLC close or beat them in their time in 5a that I can recall is Katy, Trinity, and Lufkin. So I guess I will say SLC in a more modern era of football where everyone is bigger and faster.

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by Tiger WR
Okay...Celina was in 2a...SLC is in 5a

No Duh! Another typical Tigger post.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by bobcat1
No Duh! Another typical Tigger post. How's it typical? 2a's competition is no where near that of 5a

[WOS87]

The Wikipedia definition is a little broader:


A dynasty is a family or extended family which retains political power across generations, or more generally, any organization which extends dominance in its field even as its particular members change.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by WOS87
The Wikipedia definition is a little broader:


A dynasty is a family or extended family which retains political power across generations, or more generally, any organization which extends dominance in its field even as its particular members change. How many different QB's has SLC had? Watson, Daniels, McElroy, now Riley?

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by Tiger WR
How's it typical? 2a's competition is no where near that of 5a Just a filler post. Everyone already knew that. Post something with meat occasionally.:rolleyes:

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by bobcat1
Just a filler post. Everyone already knew that. Post something with meat occasionally.:rolleyes: Um...SLC's dynasty is better than Celina's

[bobcat1]

Originally posted by Tiger WR
Um...SLC's dynasty is better than Celina's Subjective filler.

[WOS87]

Originally posted by GAP22
Yes, I am from Celina but needed to throw in our vote.

Texas High School Winning Percentage Rankings

Since 2000 – Celina 1st – 95% (79 wins, 4 losses)
Southlake Carroll 3rd – 87%

Since 1995 – Celina 1st – 92%, (131 wins, 10 losses)
Ennis 5th
Highland Park 7th
SLC 9th

Since 1985 – Celina 1st – 85.8%
SLC 2nd - 85.5%

Since 1965 – Celina 1st – 81.29%
Odessa Permian 2nd – 79.9%

Since 1955 – Plano 1st
Odessa Permian 2nd
Celina 3rd

Not to mention the 7 state titles
State record number of playoff victories in a row 25
State record 68 streight wins

Those stats are 2 years old! Check out the updated ones just posted today...

Biggest Winners Statewide over the past 50 years (http://bbs.3adownlow.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57598)

[GAP22]

Originally posted by WOS87
Those stats are 2 years old! Check out the updated ones just posted today...

Biggest Winners Statewide over the past 50 years (http://bbs.3adownlow.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57598)

Thanks for the update, I was not aware the ones I posted were out of date.

[Alaska cat]

Aaah but one thing you have forgotten...until they started all this Div I div II stuff we were all together so you still dont have apples to apples.

In 2003 Celina beat SLC in the state 7 on 7 tournament...but that dont count either.....when Celina was 2A and SLC was 5 A

Then in the past the enrollments werent manipulated nearly as much as the last few realignments either.which through thing out of kilter some.

Generally in the past SLC beat Celina pretty regular...but Celina never really started coming into their own until the past 25 or so years.

[big daddy russ]

One thing about the word "dynasty" that must be taken into account is that a 1A dynasty can be every bit as impressive as a 5A dynasty. SLC plays against the top competition WITH the top competition, while teams like Celina, Sealy, etc may compete against lesser competition, but they also have to deal with less talent to choose from.

Was John Wooden's dynasty at UCLA any less impressive than the Celtics' dynasty led by Bill Russell just because they were a college dynasty? On the same note, is the Otto Graham-led Browns' dynasty of the 40's and 50's any less impressive than the Princeton dynasty of the late-1800's and early-1900's just because they were in the AFL/NFL?

Throw out the 5A vs. 2A comparisons, because they don't hold water. You play against "equal" competition with the competition you have, and the dynasty will be always compared against your competition. Doesn't mean that SLC doesn't have a right to the crown, just means that Celina belongs in the discussion every bit as much as the Dragons.

[District303aPastPlayer]

Originally posted by Tiger WR
How many different QB's has SLC had? Watson, Daniels, McElroy, now Riley?

Chase Wasson*
Chase Daniels
the McElroy kid
and Riley Dodge...

Wasson went onto play at a smaller school i believe...

[D_bird]

ok, how about the fact that SLC is 79-1 in Class 5A (2001-2006), the one loss was by one point to Katy in the 2003 5A DII State title game 16-15

Celina's best 5 year run (1998-2002) 74-3

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer
Chase Wasson*
Chase Daniels
the McElroy kid
and Riley Dodge...

Wasson went onto play at a smaller school i believe...
Wasson's at Texas State. Nice little run of QB's.

[District303aPastPlayer]

Originally posted by big daddy russ
Wasson's at Texas State. Nice little run of QB's.

thought i remembered my sister talkin about him...

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by Alaska cat


In 2003 Celina beat SLC in the state 7 on 7 tournament...but that dont count either.....when Celina was 2A and SLC was 5 A
Before my senior year we only lost to SLC by 3 in 7on7 and we were 3-7

[Old Tiger]

The 5a POTY has been a SLC QB since Wasson

[carter08]

McElroy is at THE University of Alabama

[tigerpride_08]

i would have to say SLC too...not only do they work hard and play smart but they have alot of good athletes...not to mention they are returning QB Dodge and RB Newton...

[WOS87]

Originally posted by D_bird
ok, how about the fact that SLC is 79-1 in Class 5A (2001-2006), the one loss was by one point to Katy in the 2003 5A DII State title game 16-15

Celina's best 5 year run (1998-2002) 74-3

Celina only went 73-3 from 1998-2002 (14-2 + 16-0 + 16-0 + 16-0 + 11-1)

Southlake Carroll shattered the record for best record over any 5 consecutive seasons this year by going 79-1-0 (whether you calculate it by winning percentage or total wins). Prior to this year only 3 teams had ever won 73 games in 5 consecutive seasons:

Sealy 73-4 from 1993-1997 (winning 4 titles in 5 years)
Celina 73-3 from 1998-2002 (winning 4 titles in 5 years)
Southlake Carroll 73-6 from 2001-2005 (winning 3 titles in 5 years)

La Marque went 72-7 from 1993-1997 as the next closest as well as Southlake Carroll a second time going 72-2-1 from 1988-1992.

What most people don't realize is that Southlake Carroll was more dominant in some ways when they were in 3A than they are now and that they already have the all-time record for most wins over 6 and 7 consecutive seasons, which they set back in the early 90's going 88-2-1 from 1988-1993 and 102-3-1 from 1987-1993. Celina currently holds the record for most wins in an 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13 consecutive year period so they ALSO definitely are one of the best ever, and have shown consistency over a longer period of time than SLC which is one argument putting Celina ahead of SLC.

The few records that Celina still has over SLC just happen to be what most consider the two biggest that a program could hold in HS Football with their all-time winning streak and their 4 consecutive titles. Getting 5 state titles in 7 seasons is also huge (Celina did it 1995-2001 beating the record some thought would never be bested when Breckenridge won 5 from 1951-1959). SLC would have to go 16-0 next year to even have a chance at taking any of those records from Celina.

But I don't see how anyone can deny Southlake Carroll's dominance over the past 20 years doesn't qualify them as one of the most dominant "dynasties" ever. What else do they have to do? They either hold the record or are tied for the record for most wins and highest winning percentage over 1,2,3,4,5,6 and 7 consecutive seasons All-Time in the history of Texas High School football.

[HM33]

I am going to throw something in there that is never really talked about but does accur. Recruiting.... You can't not tell me that SLC just naturally has all of that talent. No way. Now I'm not saying the coaches or whatever go out and recruit like college coaches. It is a lot more quiet, being that it is illegal. So take out all of the "under the table" stuff and see who has a better "dynasty". I would have to go with Celina. *sits back and wonders what kind of replies will come* :)

[District303aPastPlayer]

Originally posted by HM33
I am going to throw something in there that is never really talked about but does accur. Recruiting.... You can't not tell me that SLC just naturally has all of that talent. No way. Now I'm not saying the coaches or whatever go out and recruit like college coaches. It is a lot more quiet, being that it is illegal. So take out all of the "under the table" stuff and see who has a better "dynasty". I would have to go with Celina. *sits back and wonders what kind of replies will come* :)

and who are you to say that Celina doesnt do the same stuff... GA Moore is no saint... neither is Todd Dodge... so lets not go there...

[HM33]

I'm not saying that Celina doesn't do that. Although it would be more difficult for a 3A school to do it, usually because they are located in small towns. 5A on the other hand are usualy in a very populated area. And that has a big thing to do with that. So I'm not saying it doesn't take place in smaller divisions, but it happens more often in the higher classifications.

[Old Tiger]

When you are as good as SLC you don't have to recruit, kids will move there. Plus have you ever been to Southlake? Not many people can afford to live there or in the school district ;).

[LHPfactory]

Originally posted by HM33
I am going to throw something in there that is never really talked about but does accur. Recruiting.... You can't not tell me that SLC just naturally has all of that talent. No way. Now I'm not saying the coaches or whatever go out and recruit like college coaches. It is a lot more quiet, being that it is illegal. So take out all of the "under the table" stuff and see who has a better "dynasty". I would have to go with Celina. *sits back and wonders what kind of replies will come* :)

Bingo.... And I agree with the other posters regarding dealing with the hand you have been delt. SLC is a 5A school with 5A numbers and is able to perform great at that level. Celina is a 3A school (just slightly) and is able to perform great at that level. Some of my coworkers are Leander and Cedar Park fans, whose seasons came to an end much sooner that Liberty Hills. They like to say "I wish we were 3A so we could keep winning like LH". I tell them if you had only 590 students in your highschools (like LH) instead of 2500 to 3000, Your programs would be playing basketball around the same time you did in 5A. It seems that 5A thinks they have the trump card, If they win they have accomplished a far greater feat, however, if a 5A team looses, the excuses always sound like "Well we are playing 5A competition"..............Give me a break, if your are a 5A school you should be able to handle other 5A schools!

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by WOS87
Plano is the only school ever to win 400 games in 40 years winning 401 from 1961-2000.

Odessa Permian also had a 40 year window where they won 399 from 1960-1999 so Celina hasn't had the best 40 seasons ever... close though.

I was referring to winning percentage. If you win 400 and lose a lot to me that is not a dynasty. Winning vs losing is the only true measuring stick. Since 1967 Celina has the highest winning percentage in the state which is my reference to the last 40 years and it was done in 4 classifications b a 2a and 3a.

[WOS87]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
I was referring to winning percentage. If you win 400 and lose a lot to me that is not a dynasty. Winning vs losing is the only true measuring stick. Since 1967 Celina has the highest winning percentage in the state which is my reference to the last 40 years and it was done in 4 classifications b a 2a and 3a.

If you win 401 games in 40 seasons that's averaging over 10 wins per season for 40 years! It's pretty difficult to have many losses doing that, especially since before 1982 the maximum number of wins in a season was 15...

1961-2000 Plano went 401-88-9 = 81.4%

1960-1999 Permian went 399-82-12 = 82.2%

1967-2006 Celina is 398-84-6 = 82.2%

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by WOS87
If you win 401 games in 40 seasons that's averaging over 10 wins per season for 40 years! It's pretty difficult to have many losses doing that, especially since before 1982 the maximum number of wins in a season was 15...

1961-2000 Plano went 401-88-9 = 81.4%

1960-1999 Permian went 399-82-12 = 82.2%

1967-2006 Celina is 398-84-6 = 82.2%

True but to me winning percentage is king. Only so many games can be played so winning percentage becomes the difference maker.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by BILLYFRED0000
True but to me winning percentage is king. Only so many games can be played so winning percentage becomes the difference maker.

However for the record these three teams represents the best long term dynasties ever in the state and the old Brownwood teams from the Gordon era would be number 4.

[espn1]

Originally posted by Tiger WR
SLC has dominated everybody except, Katy, Lufkin, and Trinity
They haven't dominated Burnet. We're 1-0 against them. :D :D :D

[westexasfball87]

Give it 5 years and Celina and SLC will be playing each other in 5A. At that time SLC will have won another 70 plus games.

[Centexhorn]

Originally posted by westexasfball87
Give it 5 years and Celina and SLC will be playing each other in 5A. At that time SLC will have won another 70 plus games.

I would give it at least a decade before Celina is 5A.

[scotty]

I witnessed in Sealy how many really good kids moved in just about every season and they weren't recruited. There was a chance their families had to relocate and they chose Sealy because of the great football tradition at the time.
It isn't that much farther commute to Houston from Sealy than it is from Katy or East Bernard or Bellville so they chose Sealy so their kids could get a ring. I've seen the same thing happen in Bellville volleyball to an extent. The amazing thing in Sealy is that it was only during the '90s that they dominated. They weren't very good in football before nor after. They won a state championship in 1978, but you have to remember they had Erik Dickerson at the time.
T.J. Mills had a great coaching staff during that Sealy run and he's a heck of a coach.

[BILLYFRED0000]

Originally posted by scotty
I witnessed in Sealy how many really good kids moved in just about every season and they weren't recruited. There was a chance their families had to relocate and they chose Sealy because of the great football tradition at the time.
It isn't that much farther commute to Houston from Sealy than it is from Katy or East Bernard or Bellville so they chose Sealy so their kids could get a ring. I've seen the same thing happen in Bellville volleyball to an extent. The amazing thing in Sealy is that it was only during the '90s that they dominated. They weren't very good in football before nor after. They won a state championship in 1978, but you have to remember they had Erik Dickerson at the time.
T.J. Mills had a great coaching staff during that Sealy run and he's a heck of a coach.

Yes, you can definetly say that TJ Mills had almost everything to do with that run. Coaching is probably more underrated in the 3a level than most. I have seen firsthand what great coaching does
and Celina is near the top when it comes to coaching. As long as we stay with our current system and coaches we will continuer to do well. I see us next year even better than we were this year.
The injury bug this year really hurt our defense. If we had not had that great freshman number 45 Caleb Levy step up I don't think we would have gotten past Bboro.

[Alaska cat]

Originally posted by HM33
I am going to throw something in there that is never really talked about but does accur. Recruiting.... You can't not tell me that SLC just naturally has all of that talent. No way. Now I'm not saying the coaches or whatever go out and recruit like college coaches. It is a lot more quiet, being that it is illegal. So take out all of the "under the table" stuff and see who has a better "dynasty". I would have to go with Celina. *sits back and wonders what kind of replies will come* :)


It does help that Genetically SLC is better...since half the Dallas Cowboys live in SL and there kids go to school there:) No recruiting required.

But some parents with athletic kids move to an area like that to help their kids get scholarships, and a chance to be part of something great.

[Alaska cat]

Originally posted by LHPfactory
Bingo.... And I agree with the other posters regarding dealing with the hand you have been delt. SLC is a 5A school with 5A numbers and is able to perform great at that level. Celina is a 3A school (just slightly) and is able to perform great at that level. Some of my coworkers are Leander and Cedar Park fans, whose seasons came to an end much sooner that Liberty Hills. They like to say "I wish we were 3A so we could keep winning like LH". I tell them if you had only 590 students in your highschools (like LH) instead of 2500 to 3000, Your programs would be playing basketball around the same time you did in 5A. It seems that 5A thinks they have the trump card, If they win they have accomplished a far greater feat, however, if a 5A team looses, the excuses always sound like "Well we are playing 5A competition"..............Give me a break, if your are a 5A school you should be able to handle other 5A schools!

I think LH has like 599 Celina has 429 and the biggest 3A is like 999 almost 2.5 to one. The biggest spread descrepency occurs in 3A most of the rest are 2-1 or less

[Alaska cat]

Originally posted by Tiger WR
Hell I don't know I just posted it :p I'm only 19 so I have modern dynasties to go by. SLC has been very impressive in their little run. Like Matt said earlier 1 game seperates SLC from having a 80 game win streak and that loss was in the state championships. The only teams to play SLC close or beat them in their time in 5a that I can recall is Katy, Trinity, and Lufkin. So I guess I will say SLC in a more modern era of football where everyone is bigger and faster.

Yup and 1 point is all that kept Celina from having an 86 game win streak also...food for thought:)

[olddawggreen]

Originally posted by WOS87
Not everybody...

They're 1-4 against Highland Park all-time

Their 0-1 against Burnet:) ;)

[OldNavy]

Originally posted by Centexhorn
I would give it at least a decade before Celina is 5A.

My guess is Celina will not go 5A. Their school district has determined to build more high schools rather than gorw a mega school. Their long range plan has multiple high schools with none larger than 1500 students. I think that would make them small to medium 4A if the classifications stay somewhere near where they are now.

[charlesrixey]

Ol' Navy, how do you think the multiple high schools will affect the district?

Will this same coaching staff stay together?

[BHBrave08]

Now of course I think that the best dynasty in HS Football is SLC, but you still have to mention that Brownwood had a few good runs when Gordon Wood was at the helm in Brownwood. And as much as I don't want to say it WOS did have a really good run during the 80's and they are still a yearly playoff team.

[OldNavy]

Originally posted by charlesrixey
Ol' Navy, how do you think the multiple high schools will affect the district?

Will this same coaching staff stay together?

Great question. My guess, and it is just that, is that Coach Ford will retire before this school hits 4A. I would be pretty confident that if Coach Elliot wants the Head Coach job after Coach Ford retires, it would be his. I would not be surprised if one of the other coaches off his staff would be a pretty good fit for the new school that would probably open in 2A when that time comes. Of course, these coaches get offers every year and one could be too much to pass up, you never know. These coaches are worthy!

It is difficult to predict the future, but the growth rate for Celina has been about 12% a year for the last 4 years with some years more and some, this year for instance, less. At a 12% growth rate Celina schools would double in size in about 6 years. That would have the highschool at about 900 in 2012. That growth could increase with the expansion of the Dallas North Toll Road to Celina in the next 2 years. Long range projections are for Celina to be at about 300,000 population in the next 35 to 40 years. The school district could have 6 to 10 high schools some day.

Celina is still a small rural community, but that will change pretty quickly.

[bobcat1]

I would hat to lose any of these coaches. They are such a good fit together. I bet you're right about Coach Elliot. Time will tell all. :thinking:

[WOS87]

Originally posted by OldNavy
It is difficult to predict the future, but the growth rate for Celina has been about 12% a year for the last 4 years with some years more and some, this year for instance, less. At a 12% growth rate Celina schools would double in size in about 6 years. That would have the highschool at about 900 in 2012. Celina is still a small rural community, but that will change pretty quickly.

The latest Texas State Data Center numbers have Celina doubling in population from 2000-2006.

Is Hutto gonna make the jump to 4A soon?

Link to source (http://txsdc.utsa.edu/tpepp/2005_txpopest_place.php)

Fastest Growing Communities in Texas 2000-2006
(percentage increase in population from 2000-2006 followed by Jan 1, 2000 population and Jan 1, 2006 population estimate)
1. Hutto 538.2% 1250 to 7977
2. Fate 503.6% 497 to 3000
3. Little Elm 434.1% 3646 to 19,472
4. Murphy 269.5% 3099 to 10,649
5. Kyle 263.9% 5314 to 19,335
6. Cibolo 167.8% 3035 to 8129
7. Selma 165.5% 788 to 2092
8. Bee Cave 158.4% 656 to 1695
9. Roman Forest 144.0% 1279 to 3121
10. Fairview 131.2% 2644 to 6113
11. Sanctuary 130.1% 256 to 589
12. Prosper 123.5% 2097 to 4686
13. Leander 121.5% 7596 to 16,822
14. Royse City 121.2% 2957 to 6542
15. Frisco 118.9% 33,714 to 69,484
16. Melissa 102.6% 1350 to 2523
17. Celina 98.4% 1861 to 3693
18. Alton 98.4% 4384 to
19. Wylie 97.4% 15,132 to 29,868
20. Forney 95.6% 5588 to 10,929

[WOS87]

OH... and since I'm here I might as well post the updated "Dynasty" numbers I calculated with the 2006 season added in... Celina is hanging in there setting 6 new all-time records and tying a 7th

I finally have the preliminary numbers of the records updated with 2006 numbers added in. 16 new records were set for consecutive year win totals this year with most of them at the expense of Converse Judson: 6 by Celina, 6 by Southlake Carroll, 2 by La Marque and even 2 by Plano

The following are the #1 ranked "dynasties" for each possible window of time ranging from 3 seasons to 50 seasons over the past 80+ years using total wins as the ranking criteria. I'm putting together another using winning percentage, which will bring in some of the older era programs that didn't have the ability to play 16 games in a season to pad their win totals.

You have to realize how many datapoints were compiled and compared here to see the significance of the teams and time windows listed. Each of the listed "dynasties" below is #1 out of tens of thousands that it was compared against.


All-Time Statewide Records for Most Wins Over Consecutive Seasons
(thru 2006)

3 seasons: 48 - Southlake Carroll (2004-2006), Celina (1999-2001) Avg = 16 wins per season
4 seasons: 63 - Southlake Carroll (2002-2005, 2003-2006), Sealy (1994-1997)
5 seasons: 79 - Southlake Carroll (2002-2006)
6 seasons: 89 - Southlake Carroll (2001-2006)
7 seasons: 102 - Southlake Carroll (1987-1993)
8 seasons: 113 - Celina (1999-2006)
9 seasons: 127 - Celina (1998-2006) Avg =14 wins per season
10 seasons: 138 - Celina (1997-2006)
11 seasons: 149 - Celina (1995-2005)
12 seasons: 164 - Celina (1995-2006)
13 seasons: 175 - Celina (1994-2006)
14 seasons: 182 - Celina (1993-2006) Avg =13 wins per season
15 seasons: 192 - La Marque (1992-2006)
16 seasons: 202 - La Marque (1991-2006)
17 seasons: 211 - Converse Judson (1982-1998), La Marque (1990-2006)
18 seasons: 218 - Converse Judson (1981-1998)
19 seasons: 230 - Southlake Carroll (1988-2006)
20 seasons: 244 - Southlake Carroll (1987-2006) Avg =12 wins per season
21 seasons: 254 - Southlake Carroll (1986-2006)
22 seasons: 262 - Southlake Carroll (1985-2006)
23 seasons: 268 - Converse Judson (1982-2004), Southlake Carroll (1984-2006)
24 seasons: 278 - Converse Judson (1982-2005)
25 seasons: 285 - Converse Judson (1981-2005)
26 seasons: 296 - Odessa Permian (1970-1995)
27 seasons: 304 - Odessa Permian (1969-1995)
28 seasons: 315 - Odessa Permian (1968-1995)
29 seasons: 324 - Odessa Permian (1967-1995)
30 seasons: 332 - Odessa Permian (1965-1994) Avg =11 wins per season
31 seasons: 344 - Odessa Permian (1965-1995)
32 seasons: 350 - Odessa Permian (1965-1996)
33 seasons: 354 - Odessa Permian (1964-1996)
34 seasons: 363 - Odessa Permian (1965-1998)
35 seasons: 368 - Odessa Permian (1961-1995)
36 seasons: 376 - Odessa Permian (1960-1995)
37 seasons: 382 - Odessa Permian (1960-1996)
38 seasons: 387 - Odessa Permian (1961-1998), Plano (1961-1998)
39 seasons: 395 - Odessa Permian (1960-1998)
40 seasons: 401 - Plano (1961-2000) Avg =10 wins per season
41 seasons: 408 - Plano (1961-2001)
42 seasons: 414 - Plano (1960-2001) and Celina (1965-2006)
43 seasons: 419 - Plano (1959-2001)
44 seasons: 422 - Plano (1959-2002)
45 seasons: 428 - Plano (1961-2005)
46 seasons: 434 - Plano (1960-2005)
47 seasons: 439 - Plano (1959-2005)
48 seasons: 443 - Plano (1959-2006)
49 seasons: 445 - Plano (1958-2006)
50 seasons: 450 - Plano (1956-2005) Avg =9 wins per season

Amarillo would eventually pop up on here going far enough back as they are still the All-Time wins King

[XMan]

I would have to throw in that Bellville in 3A and Windthorst in 1A volleyball are the 2 biggest dynasties that ive witnessed if you consider volleyball. I dont have the stats on the top of my head but they are amazing. Im thinking that if some of Bellville's mens coaches would bleach their hair platinum blonde it would win them some playoff games.

[3afan]

Originally posted by Matthew328
IMO its Southlake and its not even close....the competition in Class 5A is ridiculous year in and year out....Southlake began their run as a 1st year 5A school which is also impressive....finally the Dragons have lost one game in the last 5 years...one game! That game was a one point loss in the state title game and the Dragons were driving for the game winning score..if Southlake wins that game then they would be on an 80 GAME WINNING STREAK! 80 games...think about that


agree, SLC has it ...

[charlesrixey]

oh well, at least we are in the discussion

[District303aPastPlayer]

Originally posted by charlesrixey
oh well, at least we are in the discussion

my honest opinion, the only reason Celina isn't discussed more is because they play at a smaller level than SLC. SLC is in the best high school division in America, Class 5A in Texas... to maintain their success, at that level of competition, just blows everyone else out of the water.