How stupid does...

[big daddy russ]

...Alabama feel after firing Mike Price for something pertaining to his personal life?

[turbostud]

What happened? Is he the one who got fired for going to the nudey bars?

[injuredinmelee]

why would they feel stupid? The did what they thought was right and considering it was a position that required Price to lead impressionable college lads it is my opinion that they made the correct choice. OF course it is a free country yada yada yada but someone has to exhibit some moral character before this world's moral character completely erodes into oblivion.

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by injuredinmelee
why would they feel stupid? The did what they thought was right and considering it was a position that required Price to lead impressionable college lads it is my opinion that they made the correct choice. OF course it is a free country yada yada yada but someone has to exhibit some moral character before this world's moral character completely erodes into oblivion.

Not everyone shares your same morals as you do, look at how many pornographic websites pop up, how many prostitutes are walking the streets, and how many strip clubs and brothels are in business. If everyone always did the right thing, they would cease to exist due to lack of demand. People sin every day in some way. Let God be the judge of those who do these things, because what a person chooses to do here on Earth is their choice, not ours.

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Not everyone shares your same morals as you do, look at how many pornographic websites pop up, how many prostitutes are walking the streets, and how many strip clubs and brothels are in business. If everyone always did the right thing, they would cease to exist due to lack of demand. People sin every day in some way. Let God be the judge of those who do these things, because what a person chooses to do here on Earth is their choice, not ours. The University of Alabama has the right to hire and fire based on what they deem as "good morals".

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by turbostud
What happened? Is he the one who got fired for going to the nudey bars?
Yes.


Originally posted by injuredinmelee
why would they feel stupid? The did what they thought was right and considering it was a position that required Price to lead impressionable college lads it is my opinion that they made the correct choice. OF course it is a free country yada yada yada but someone has to exhibit some moral character before this world's moral character completely erodes into oblivion.
Do you realize how many TONS of college coaches go to those bars? It definitely wasn't an isolated incident. It was just the most-publicized.

[injuredinmelee]

Originally posted by big daddy russ
Yes.


Do you realize how many TONS of college coaches go to those bars? It definitely wasn't an isolated incident. It was just the most-publicized.

Because someone else does it does not in any shape or form make it acceptable behavior. I know it happens all the time and that lots of people choose to go to the nude bars. That is their right. But as someone else stated earlier in the thread the University of Alabama has the right to hire and fire as they see fit. If they felt his moral standards were not consistent with the universities and not the type of character they wanted leading young men then can him. I would have fired him. I do not think it was simply the fact that he was their that got hi canned it was his brazenness while in the club and touting the fact of who he was. It was bad decision making on the part of Mike Price. Do I hold it against him forever? Absolutely not. He made a mistake and i believe he wishes it would not have happened the way it did. You cant be hanging out in those clubs as a High School or College football coach. You have an example to set. If the kids decide that is what they want to do witht heir time then fine by all means but their coaches are to set an example.
There are numerous High School Head Coaches in Texas that forbid their assistants from buying beer in public places where they might be seen by their student athletes. I know of one coach at a prominent metro-mess school that if his assistants are caught in the grocery store with beer in their basket or coming out of a 7-11 with alocholic beverages they are terminated immediately. I know of another that goes as far as forbidding their assitants from walking around a store such as wal mart with profilactics in their shopping carts. Is it a tad overbearing? Maybe but they are in a job where they are expected to exhibit a moral character so why not expect more from their behavior?

[Cameron Crazy]

Yeah thats a bunch of bs!

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Of course Alabama has the right to hire and fire on their own accord, I never said that they didn't. Mike Price is a good coach who made a mistake, and it is unfortunate that Alabama decided to fire him. What Mike Price did is legal. The people who fired Price are hypocrites who acted like they have the highest morals and could pass judgment onto someone else. Who is he going to influence? I am 18 years old and I know right from wrong and have for many years now. Price isn't going to sway a bunch of young adults to go to a strip club or do bad things. The choices his players make, they will make on their own accord, they are all at the age to know what is right and what is wrong, and just because someone around them does something it doesn't mean that they are automatically going to do the same. The line of right and wrong is drawn a long time before you ever enter college, so I don't see how anyone can make that argument.

[injuredinmelee]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Of course Alabama has the right to hire and fire on their own accord, I never said that they didn't. Mike Price is a good coach who made a mistake, and it is unfortunate that Alabama decided to fire him. What Mike Price did is legal. The people who fired Price are hypocrites who acted like they have the highest morals and could pass judgment onto someone else. Who is he going to influence? I am 18 years old and I know right from wrong and have for many years now. Price isn't going to sway a bunch of young adults to go to a strip club or do bad things. The choices his players make, they will make on their own accord, they are all at the age to know what is right and what is wrong, and just because someone around them does something it doesn't mean that they are automatically going to do the same. The line of right and wrong is drawn a long time before you ever enter college, so I don't see how anyone can make that argument.

He is supposed to be setting an example. He wasnt doing that. So if people can be mad because soemone wants to hold them to a higher moral code can I be mad at peopel that dont want to adhere to higher moral standards?
My whole point that I probably did not make is that he knew it was a part fo his job to adhere to a higher moral code. He didnt do that. Sure the Admin there probably has skeletons in their closet but they are in the closet. Price was stupid and let his get public.

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by injuredinmelee
He is supposed to be setting an example. He wasnt doing that. So if people can be mad because soemone wants to hold them to a higher moral code can I be mad at peopel that dont want to adhere to higher moral standards?
My whole point that I probably did not make is that he knew it was a part fo his job to adhere to a higher moral code. He didnt do that. Sure the Admin there probably has skeletons in their closet but they are in the closet. Price was stupid and let his get public.

A higher moral code? Are you saying that everyone's morals should reflect what you or someone else thinks is right? If it were legal, then what makes it wrong? Nothing, except for people thinking that they are better. The Constitution allows everyone life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. That means that people are allowed to do what makes them happy as long as it is within the rule of the law. I can definately understand where you are coming from and I agree with you on that aspect, but that does not mean that our morals should supercede that of others, because I don't think it is right.

[Emerson1]

So if you're favorite HS coach was discovered looking at porn and going to strip clubs the night before a game and getting wasted, you would be alright with it if he showed up with alcohol on his breath to a game?

You would want that guy coaching and teaching kids?

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by Emerson1
So if you're favorite HS coach was discovered looking at porn and going to strip clubs the night before a game and getting wasted, you would be alright with it if he showed up with alcohol on his breath to a game?

You would want that guy coaching and teaching kids?

No, a head football coach at a high school impacts our youth and influences them. Mike Price influences young adults who already know right from wrong. The difference is night and day.

[injuredinmelee]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
A higher moral code? Are you saying that everyone's morals should reflect what you or someone else thinks is right? If it were legal, then what makes it wrong? Nothing, except for people thinking that they are better. The Constitution allows everyone life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. That means that people are allowed to do what makes them happy as long as it is within the rule of the law. I can definately understand where you are coming from and I agree with you on that aspect, but that does not mean that our morals should supercede that of others, because I don't think it is right.

I am not sayign that but because someone chooses to show loose morals am I suppose to accept that? MY feelings are this: If you wnat to be gay, a prn freak, a smoker, drinker, baptist preacher, school teacher, or a librarian thats fine I jsut dont have to hear about it. You do your thing and dont flaunt it and I will do my thing and wont flaunt it.

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
A higher moral code? Are you saying that everyone's morals should reflect what you or someone else thinks is right? If it were legal, then what makes it wrong? Nothing, except for people thinking that they are better. The Constitution allows everyone life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. That means that people are allowed to do what makes them happy as long as it is within the rule of the law. I can definately understand where you are coming from and I agree with you on that aspect, but that does not mean that our morals should supercede that of others, because I don't think it is right.
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Just because someone tries to hold up higher standards for those around them doesn't mean they think they are better.
Heavens no, for the most part those who try to do that tend to think just the opposite. They do so with a humble attitude vastly more times than naught.

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
No, a head football coach at a high school impacts our youth and influences them. Mike Price influences young adults who already know right from wrong. The difference is night and day. So you think all college students know right from wrong and that adults in authority have no influence on them?

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
So you think all college students know right from wrong and that adults in authority have no influence on them?
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I agree with you. Just look at the multi-billion dollar "Girl's gone Wild" business that preys on college kids.

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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Just because someone tries to hold up higher standards for those around them doesn't mean they think they are better.
Heavens no, for the most part those who try to do that tend to think just the opposite. They do so with a humble attitude vastly more times than naught.

I didn't mean it like that, I meant the people who pass judgment on someone for going to a strip club think they are better when they have their own mistakes in the past that nobody knows about. It makes them hypocrites, and they all want to act like they're all above that and better than them.

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
I didn't mean it like that, I meant the people who pass judgment on someone for going to a strip club think they are better when they have their own mistakes in the past that nobody knows about. It makes them hypocrites, and they all want to act like they're all above that and better than them.
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There are I bet fewer of those hypocrites around than you might believe.;)

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
So you think all college students know right from wrong and that adults in authority have no influence on them?

Yes, I do think they know right from wrong, everyone does by that age. Didn't you?

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
I didn't mean it like that, I meant the people who pass judgment on someone for going to a strip club think they are better when they have their own mistakes in the past that nobody knows about. It makes them hypocrites, and they all want to act like they're all above that and better than them. That would make most parents hypocrits. They sure don't want their kids to make the same mistakes that they did when they were younger. Does that mean that they shouldn't try?

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Yes, I do think they know right from wrong, everyone does by that age. Didn't you? Knowing right from wrong and being influenced by those in authority are two separate things.

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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I agree with you. Just look at the multi-billion dollar "Girl's gone Wild" business that preys on college kids.

Not all college girls do that though, now do they? Besides, they have every right to participate in whatever is legal, it is their choice and their morals dictate that, not yours, mine, or anyone elses.

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
That would make most parents hypocrits. They sure don't want their kids to make the same mistakes that they did when they were younger. Does that mean that they shouldn't try?

You're right, it would, but the parents are going to embrace their children, not shun them for their mistakes or send them to a foster home and try to make a perfect child. There is a difference between trying to teach a child what is right and what is wrong than teaching a young adult to play football, so why compare the two?

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Not all college girls do that though, now do they? Besides, they have every right to participate in whatever is legal, it is their choice and their morals dictate that, not yours, mine, or anyone elses.
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But right now aren't you taking a position that is supposedly superior to mine when you say "it is their choice and their morals dictate that, not yours, mine, or anyone elses."? Isn't that kinda ironic in light of this discussion?:D
:p

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
Knowing right from wrong and being influenced by those in authority are two separate things.

So, if your religious leader starts molesting altar boys, is that going to influence you to start doing it to?

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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But right now aren't you taking a position that is supposedly superior to mine when you say "it is their choice and their morals dictate that, not yours, mine, or anyone elses."? Isn't that kinda ironic in light of this discussion?:D
:p

Please explain to me how I'm doing that by embracing the idea that everyone has their own morals? I'm failing to see how I am doing that.

[SintonFan]

You told me that I don't have the right to tell anyone different if they participated in something I consider abhorent. In saying that, it seems like you're saying your belief is more important or relevant than mine(mine would be telling the 18 or 19 yr old girls that what they are doing is wrong imo) I still have the right of free speech don't I? Among the same rights college kids have to act like the fool too?
It comes off as those who try to tell or lead by example don't have the right to do so. In other words, if I try to speak about something I think is right, I shouldn't be allowed to.

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
Please explain to me how I'm doing that by embracing the idea that everyone has their own morals? I'm failing to see how I am doing that.
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I believe that some morals just might be superior to others. Take that!:p

[JasperDog94]

My point is this:

How are you going to tell 18-22 year old guys to not go to strip clubs when you're doing the same thing?

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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I believe that some morals just might be superior to others. Take that!:p Word. There are some things that are just black and white.

[big daddy russ]

nm

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
Word. There are some things that are just black and white.
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We see proof of that everyday.;)

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Originally posted by SintonFan
You told me that I don't have the right to tell anyone different if they participated in something I consider abhorent. In saying that, it seems like you're saying your belief is more important or relevant than mine(mine would be telling the 18 or 19 yr old girls that what they are doing is wrong imo) I still have the right of free speech don't I? Among the same rights college kids have to act like the fool too?
It comes off as those who try to tell or lead by example don't have the right to do so. In other words, if I try to speak about something I think is right, I shouldn't be allowed to.

No, what I said was that neither your morals nor my morals have any bearing on what an individual does, only their morals do. Come on Daniel, I know you can read better than that. ;) :D

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
No, what I said was that neither your morals nor my morals have any bearing on what an individual does, only their morals do. Come on Daniel, I know you can read better than that. ;) :D
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I'm just saying that I have a right to tell someone that what they are doing, according to my morals, might be wrong. I'm not judging, that's HIS job.
I like this discussion on Christmas Eve eve.