Guess these numbers (39-3) (53-2)

[charlesrixey]

Sorry, i couldn't resist posting this in the main forum:

(from the gotw thread)

39-3

Celina's record in the playoffs since 1998
(6-2 in 3A)
Losses to Daingerfield (21-20 in 2002) and Gilmer (45-22 in 2003)

53-2 (give or take a win or two)

Celina's record against 3A opponents (in the regular season) since 1998.
Losses to Sanger (22-19 in 1998) and Gainesville (44-14 in 2003)

Seems to me like Celina hasn't been playing down. When was the last time the bobcats played a 1A team? Exactly

While i have great respect for the Vernon Lions, the last thing i want to hear from their fans is how Celina never took a challenging schedule. Over 1998-2005, Celina played 4-5 3A teams per year (pretty much our entire non-district schedule) in the years we were not in 3A (3A in 2002-2003).

Good luck to both teams[U]

[Snyder_TigerFan]

I think we are all well versed on the history of Celina football.

[charlesrixey]

This is for that last remaining fan who thinks Celina can't make it in 3A.

[greenpride]

Cuero's record the last 3 years.

[charlesrixey]

(chuckle)

[VanKampen]

Originally posted by greenpride
Cuero's record the last 3 years.
and the 53-2 is the odds cuero will ever win a state championship again

[WOS87]

53-2?

Not making any major point here other than maybe that you're touting the strength of those opponents a bit more than was actually the case. I counted a record of 54-4 against 3A opponents 1998-present with 41 of those wins against opponents with 5 or more losses for the season including SIX 0-10 teams. The largest enrollment of any of the opponents was Lake Dallas with 853.

1998 1-1 against 3A opponents
Sanger 19-22 loss
(0-10) Henrietta 49-6

1999 2-0 against 3A opponents
(6-5) Sanger 35-14
(0-10) Henrietta 49-0

2000 5-0 against 3A opponents
(5-6) Hillsboro 35-7
(4-6) Little Elm 34-7
(4-6) Sanger 44-0
(5-6) Dallas Pinkston 52-6
(5-6) Lake Dallas 28-0

2001 5-0 against 3A opponents
(7-5) Hillsboro 14-7
(4-6) Little Elm 34-7
(4-7) Sanger 48-19
(6-6) Dallas Pinkston 30-18
(3-7) Lake Dallas 50-0

2002 10-1 against 3A opponents
(3-7) Sanger 62-34
(1-9) Dallas Pinkston 56-0
(3-8) Lake Dallas 28-7
(2-8) Little Elm 35-14
District 9-3A (5 wins - 0 losses)
Playoffs (1 wins - 1 loss)
(9-2) Quinlan Ford 46-14
Daingerfield 20-21 loss

2003 9-2 against 3A opponents
(5-6) Sanger 43-18
(0-10) Dallas Pinkston 63-6
(5-6) Lake Dallas 34-13
(5-5) Little Elm 49-14
District 9-3A (4 wins - 1 loss)
Playoffs (1 win - 1 loss)
(7-4) Commerce 28-14
Gilmer 22-45 loss

2004 5-0 against 3A opponents
(11-3) Royse City 34-9
(0-10) Nevada Community 55-6
(8-3) Pilot Point 27-21
(0-10) Pottsboro 55-0
(6-5) Little Elm 30-10

2005 5-0 against 3A opponents
(6-5) Royse City 35-0
(2-8) Nevada Community 69-0
(6-5) Pilot Point 42-0
(0-10) Pottsboro 71-0
(8-4) Little Elm 50-3

2006 12-0 against 3A opponents
(12-2) Robinson 42-13
District 9-3A (7 wins - 0 losses)
Playoffs (4 wins - 0 losses)
(5-6) Quinlan Ford 35-7
(10-1) Dallas Madison 43-6
(8-5) Canton 35-6
(10-4) Brownsboro 35-14

[RMAC]

Originally posted by WOS87
53-2?

Not making any major point here other than maybe that you're touting the strength of those opponents a bit more than was actually the case. I counted a record of 54-4 against 3A opponents 1998-present with 41 of those wins against opponents with 5 or more losses for the season including SIX 0-10 teams. The largest enrollment of any of the opponents was Lake Dallas with 853.

1998 1-1 against 3A opponents
Sanger 19-22 loss
(0-10) Henrietta 49-6

1999 2-0 against 3A opponents
(6-5) Sanger 35-14
(0-10) Henrietta 49-0

2000 5-0 against 3A opponents
(5-6) Hillsboro 35-7
(4-6) Little Elm 34-7
(4-6) Sanger 44-0
(5-6) Dallas Pinkston 52-6
(5-6) Lake Dallas 28-0

2001 5-0 against 3A opponents
(7-5) Hillsboro 14-7
(4-6) Little Elm 34-7
(4-7) Sanger 48-19
(6-6) Dallas Pinkston 30-18
(3-7) Lake Dallas 50-0

2002 10-1 against 3A opponents
(3-7) Sanger 62-34
(1-9) Dallas Pinkston 56-0
(3-8) Lake Dallas 28-7
(2-8) Little Elm 35-14
District 9-3A (5 wins - 0 losses)
Playoffs (1 wins - 1 loss)
(9-2) Quinlan Ford 46-14
Daingerfield 20-21 loss

2003 9-2 against 3A opponents
(5-6) Sanger 43-18
(0-10) Dallas Pinkston 63-6
(5-6) Lake Dallas 34-13
(5-5) Little Elm 49-14
District 9-3A (4 wins - 1 loss)
Playoffs (1 win - 1 loss)
(7-4) Commerce 28-14
Gilmer 22-45 loss

2004 5-0 against 3A opponents
(11-3) Royse City 34-9
(0-10) Nevada Community 55-6
(8-3) Pilot Point 27-21
(0-10) Pottsboro 55-0
(6-5) Little Elm 30-10

2005 5-0 against 3A opponents
(6-5) Royse City 35-0
(2-8) Nevada Community 69-0
(6-5) Pilot Point 42-0
(0-10) Pottsboro 71-0
(8-4) Little Elm 50-3

2006 12-0 against 3A opponents
(12-2) Robinson 42-13
District 9-3A (7 wins - 0 losses)
Playoffs (4 wins - 0 losses)
(5-6) Quinlan Ford 35-7
(10-1) Dallas Madison 43-6
(8-5) Canton 35-6
(10-4) Brownsboro 35-14

SLAM!!!:o

[charlesrixey]

i said in the post that the numbers probably weren't perfect, since they came from my head.

Celina doesn't have a whole lot of control over strength of schedule. There are only so many dallas area 3A teams. Celina had to go to robinson to find an opponent from out of the area.

How many good 3A teams are there in the dallas region? not many, and the better ones didn't line up to play celina with a chance to lose to a 2a team.

That's why Celina had to play two private schools this year.

There are weak teams in that loss column, to be sure, but i'll take six titles (proof positive that celina is good, even if their competition isn't always) over anything else

[charlesrixey]

oops, he was counting the playoff losses in the 54-4 total---that would explain the difference

[RMAC]

Originally posted by charlesrixey
i said in the post that the numbers probably weren't perfect, since they came from my head.

Celina doesn't have a whole lot of control over strength of schedule. There are only so many dallas area 3A teams. Celina had to go to robinson to find an opponent from out of the area.

How many good 3A teams are there in the dallas region? not many, and the better ones didn't line up to play celina with a chance to lose to a 2a team.

That's why Celina had to play two private schools this year.

There are weak teams in that loss column, to be sure, but i'll take six titles (proof positive that celina is good, even if their competition isn't always) over anything else

Well then you have to talk about the state titles and not the record of 54-4 where 41 of the teams were no better than .500.:D

[charlesrixey]

forgive me, i figured it was common knowledge.

If we win state this year, then i don't care about strength of schedule (same as in years past)

[GetRDoneStangs]

Originally posted by charlesrixey
forgive me, i figured it was common knowledge.

If we win state this year, then i don't care about strength of schedule (same as in years past)

That is so very true......if your the last one standing..u r the CHAMP!..This is NOT the BCS... no points needed here....WHOEVER wins they are the true Champs!
That is just my view on the subject...

[Fletch]

So, are we comparing West Texas strength of schedule against Celina's? My recollection is that Celina has not been challenged by a W. Tx team in the past 6 years.

Last year Childress as example.

So don't try to question Celina's strength of schedule when they have destroyed every W. Texas team they have played in modern times.:confused:

[WildTexan]

yet WOS seems to never go back and mention which of those 3A teams make the playoffs from year to year....even with bad records (right Vernon?) teams can be playoff teams....and he throws in the 853 largest school count (or whatever it was) but seems to not mention that in those early years like 98 and 99 Celina was hardly much over 250 in enrollment.....when we sucked so bad we lost 3 games in 2 years in our 3A debut, we were the smallest 3A in the state....

If Celina wins this game, of course he will again use his "We ain't in the playoffs cause we could not last" logic to claim that we again beat a team with a weak win-loss record.....but it still comes to pass.....a win in weeks 2,3,4,etc of the playoffs beats bein a team like, say, WOS that has a great record but is bouncin roundball in November......

you are pretty good at intriguing posts with geography maps and history and such WOS, but when you aim a post to appear negative, it easily can be.....how about coming up with some numbers to show the failure of WOS after dropping down into 3A from 4A.....since we all know it should be much easier to dominate when you drop in class rather than when you move up.....

[charlesrixey]

WOS has never been much of a Celina hater, but i do agree totally with your first paragraph, tex!

[bandera7]

well both make a good point. Celina should not dominate 3a football and yet they are still ridiculously good, but at the same time that boast was a bit much, because of the teams they have played. Both were true. And I also agree with the statement that strength of schedule doesnt matter if you win state, you beat everybody that was thrown up against you, so you deserve it.

[charlesrixey]

well said

[WOS87]

Originally posted by WildTexan
yet WOS seems to never go back and mention which of those 3A teams make the playoffs from year to year....even with bad records (right Vernon?) teams can be playoff teams....and he throws in the 853 largest school count (or whatever it was) but seems to not mention that in those early years like 98 and 99 Celina was hardly much over 250 in enrollment.....when we sucked so bad we lost 3 games in 2 years in our 3A debut, we were the smallest 3A in the state....

If Celina wins this game, of course he will again use his "We ain't in the playoffs cause we could not last" logic to claim that we again beat a team with a weak win-loss record.....but it still comes to pass.....a win in weeks 2,3,4,etc of the playoffs beats bein a team like, say, WOS that has a great record but is bouncin roundball in November......

you are pretty good at intriguing posts with geography maps and history and such WOS, but when you aim a post to appear negative, it easily can be.....how about coming up with some numbers to show the failure of WOS after dropping down into 3A from 4A.....since we all know it should be much easier to dominate when you drop in class rather than when you move up.....

I almost feel insulted...

you miss my point completely

Like I have said multiple times before... I have nothing against Celina... it is truly awesome what they have accomplished... I have posted multiple stats that are still posted on other sites showing how Celina has been more dominant than even Southlake Carroll over the years.. such as...

http://members.aol.com/cboehme/thsf/top152006.gif

My point is that it is bad logic to attempt to prove that Celina is a superior team in 3A just because it has a 54-4 record against 3A teams in the past 8 years ... So what if you have only lost to 4 3A teams in the past 9 years... WOS has also only lost to 4 3A teams in the last 9 years... and they've beaten a lot more impressive teams during that period than Celina such as when they shutout eventual 1998 3A state Champ Newton, beat 2000 4A State Champ Bay City, and beat 1999 4A State Finalist Port Neches-Groves. They also have a better record against 4A teams than they do against 3A teams since dropping to 3A. How many 4A teams has Celina played? zero. Prior to this year, Celina has been demolished by every eventual 3A state champ and/or finalist they have come up against, so yeah, this could be the year that you finally get the respect in 3A that you know you deserve. But unfortunately respect isn't just given away, you have to earn it, and you haven't done it quite yet....

Believe it or not, I'm rooting for you....


Good luck in the coming weeks!

:crazy:

[Old Tiger]

Newton knocked us out of the playoffs in 98 :(