Orange Grove vs Hondo Updates

[SintonFan_inAustin]

gametime hondo brought the whole town

owls get the ball first

[SintonFan_inAustin]

good hit by bulldogs hondo starts at 29
pass complete to bulldogs 26

[VAMike]

Is this being broadcast online?

[SintonFan_inAustin]

TD hondo Qb runs it in from 18 yds
pat good
Hondo 7-0 10:56 in first

[SintonFan_inAustin]

OG starts at their 26

[SintonFan_inAustin]

OG two plays and a 1st down
at the 37
1st down fumble OG but get ball back and OG gets flagged for Personal foul and player ejected for kicking
2nd and 30
sacked back to 4 yd line
3rd 43

[Hansum Stranger]

Originally posted by SintonFan_inAustin
gametime hondo brought the whole town

owls get the ball first

Last year against Wimberley they brought the whole town. Actually Hondo and Wimberley both brought their whole towns to that game.

[VAMike]

anyone have a link to the broadcast?

[SintonFan_inAustin]

screen gets good yds but fumbles and comes up short of first down otherwise had big gain
4 th and 21

[SintonFan_inAustin]

roughing the punter 1st down OG at their 41
2 plays net 9 yds
3rd and 1
dropped in the bacfield
4th and 4
punting

[SintonFan_inAustin]

don't know if its being webcast I am at the game

Hondo at OG 48
1st down 3:27 in 1st

5yd flag on hondo
1st 15

[VAMike]

Be sure to boo once or twice at the white hat (He is a friend of mine)

[SintonFan_inAustin]

3rd and 12 screen is stuffed for a loss
4th 14 punting

OG starts at their 20 with 1:35 in 1st

Og big rb drags some owls for 16 yds but PF on OGafter the play

[SintonFan_inAustin]

that is two OG players ejected

OG driving at their 46 and 2nd and 1

end of first

Hondo 7 Orange Grove 0

[VAMike]

Does OG normally have discipline problems like that?

[Blastoderm55]

Who got ejected? What's going on?

[SintonFan_inAustin]

he is the one behind the QB

OG at 43
run to 36
3rd and 2
firstdown to hondo 24

[IHS Fan]

when they played us it was a fairly clean game.

[stxfootballfan]

why did the second guy get kicked out

[SintonFan_inAustin]

2 plays
brings 3rd and 6
Qb runs for 3 yds
4th and 3
OG going for it
Hondo jumps but know flag so OG calls timeout

[VAMike]

Yes White Hat is the R and stands behind the QB

[SintonFan_inAustin]

OG kicks FG and its good

Hondo 7 Orange Grove 3 7:36 2nd

[SintonFan_inAustin]

hondo at their 43
3rd and 4
fumble by QB right into hands of a OG defender

OG at their 48
1st down run by big RB and a facemask down to hondo 41

[SintonFan_inAustin]

2nd and 5
flea flickr pass blocked
3rd and 5
interception at 15
Hondo ball

[stxfootballfan]

What players got kicked out?

[SintonFan_inAustin]

1st play Qb runs to OG 45 and a late hit ball at OG 37 4 mins left

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Hondo at 13 firstdown
run to 1yd line
First and goal

TD Hondo

[IHStangFan]

COME ON OG!!!

anyone headed down to Victoria after this game?? I'll be there!!

[SintonFan_inAustin]

PAT no good
Hondo 13 Orange Grove 3 2:33 til halftime

[stxfootballfan]

Ill be at work!!:weeping: :weeping:

[IHS Fan]

Originally posted by IHStangFan
COME ON OG!!!

anyone headed down to Victoria after this game?? I'll be there!!

i'm headed that way as soon as my wife gets home.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

no.12 and 59 got ejected

OG starts at 20
1st play loss of 6 yds
2nd 16 run for q yd
3rd 15

[IHStangFan]

Originally posted by IHS Fan
i'm headed that way as soon as my wife gets home. maybe we'll see ya there!

[SintonFan_inAustin]

OG punting muffed punt Hondo ball at 2

TD Hondo with 53 secs til halftime

[IHStangFan]

Originally posted by SintonFan_inAustin
OG punting muffed punt Hondo ball at 2

TD Hondo with 53 secs til halftime you know what....you just stop right now...everytime you post, its bad for OG...so just STOP!! :p :D

[SintonFan_inAustin]

PAT good
Hondo 19 Orange Grove 3

OG starts at their 24 with 48 secs

[VAMike]

I don't understand If OG was punting hpw didi HOndo get iyt at the 2?

[Blastoderm55]

Doesn't bode well for OG. #12 is Israel Ochoa, one of their leading rushers, receivers, and defensive backs. #59 is Daniel York. Not sure what position he plays, but mistakes like this aren't going to help their chances.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

curse of the dome the ball just pop out of his hands on that punt and ball went backward

OG at their 38 1st down
17 secs left

[Blastoderm55]

Originally posted by VAMike
I don't understand If OG was punting hpw didi HOndo get iyt at the 2?

Hondo must have gotten a piece of it.

[stxfootballfan]

Originally posted by VAMike
I don't understand If OG was punting hpw didi HOndo get iyt at the 2?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SintonFan_inAustin
[B]OG punting muffed punt Hondo ball at 2

[SintonFan_inAustin]

halftime

Hondo 19 Orange Grove 3


and refs get booed by OG fans as they go into lockerrooms

[VAMike]

If OG was punting they could npot muff the punt. MAybe the punter muffed the snap?

[VAMike]

Maybe they were booing their team not teh refs?? ;-)

[Blastoderm55]

Originally posted by VAMike
If OG was punting they could npot muff the punt. MAybe the punter muffed the snap?


Originally posted by SintonFan_inAustin
curse of the dome the ball just pop out of his hands on that punt and ball went backward

OG at their 38 1st down
17 secs left

[SintonFan_inAustin]

punter was about to punt when ball pop out of his hands and the ball went backwards and hondo recovered it at the 2. muffed whatever it was it looked just as freaky as calallen loss at the end

[VAMike]

10-4 MAkes sense The punter didn't try to knock it thru the end zone?

[rb585]

Winner of this games plays in the Alamodome again next week? Is that official?

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Hondo 20 Orange Grove 3


he had no chance ball pop out and went backward and hondo fell on the ball didn't try picking it up


OG was looking like they be in this game and driving for the lead til interception turn this game around

[SintonFan_inAustin]

OG recieves the ball first

kickoff returned to their 35 to start the 3rd Qtr

1st down
run for a yd
2nd 9

[SintonFan_inAustin]

OG punting
on 4th and 9

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Hondo starts at their 31
2yd gain
2nd 8
stopped for ayd gain
3rd 7
pass complete to OG 44
1st down

[SintonFan_inAustin]

2 passes incomplete
3rd and 10 from OG 44
run for no gain
punting

[SintonFan_inAustin]

fake punter passes the ball and Hondo runs it to 10
flag after the play against Hondo
Hondo ball at 30 firstdown

[SintonFan_inAustin]

3 plays no yds
4th and 10
Hondo goes for it
pass complete to 7 yd line
firstdown

[SintonFan_inAustin]

TD Hondo from 4yds out on 2nd down
Hondo 27 Orange Grove 3 3:40 left in 3rd

[SintonFan_inAustin]

well I m done posting my phone battery low have to recharge for FB game


OG driving at Hondo 44

[Pudlugger]

Hondo rolls!:cool:

[stxfootballfan]

Should be a pretty good game next week Hondo vs Wimberly

[Hansum Stranger]

Originally posted by stxfootballfan
Should be a pretty good game next week Hondo vs Wimberly

I hope it's better than last year's game.

[TxStBobcat]

Saw both games, and should be an awesome matchup next week. Hopefully it will be at the Alamodome...anyone know anything about that?

[piratebg]

Congrats Bulldogs on a fine season. You guys fought the whole way and should be proud.

[stxfootballfan]

What was final score?

[TxStBobcat]

i think 40-3 Hondo

[SintonFan]

Just got back from the Hondo/OG game. Man those Owls are tough. They were bigger, faster and stronger than OG. Simply put OG was out-manned. OG had alot of heart and were determined but they couldn't punch it in. They had some nice drives but would stall inside the 20 when the Hondo D stepped it up.
The second ejection was supposedly because the OG kid threw a punch(at least that's the motion the guy in the white hat motioned as he pulled the kid off the field.)
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Congratulations OG on a great season. :)
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Good win Hondo. You guys look really good and ready to give Wimberely fits, I'm sure.:)

[stxfootballfan]

So one ejected for kicking and one for punching?

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by stxfootballfan
So one ejected for kicking and one for punching?
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I didn't see a motion for anything like that but then again I was on the wrong end of the field. What's funny about that first ejection is that poor OG guy was piled on by the whole Hondo team. I'm not justifying anything but man he was way out-numbered.:doh:

[htowntransplant]

i just got home from the game. i didnt hear the refs announcement on the first ejection....but it musta been pretty bad if they are going to throw out a player in a playoff game. i left at halftime bc i didnt really wanna get a late start. OG gave hondo all they could, but that hondo tailback (cant remember the name) is just a stud. congrats to hondo and congrats to OG for a great yr.

nice to see sinton66, sintonfan, and p4s there.

[VAMike]

Great how folks can say "the refs" were terrible and then point out 1 call. If 1 action was how any of were to be judged on our work I fear most everyone, in what ever line of work, would be "terrible." (And even on the play you mention the call would likely have only been seen by 2 officials so how do you say the other 3 were terrible?)

[htowntransplant]

there were some other phantom late hits out of bounds that were called.

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by VAMike
Great how folks can say "the refs" were terrible and then point out 1 call. If 1 action was how any of were to be judged on our work I fear most everyone, in what ever line of work, would be "terrible." (And even on the play you mention the call would likely have only been seen by 2 officials so how do you say the other 3 were terrible?)
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Mike it happened in front of us and it did look blatant. It was either a take down by the neck(under the helmet, at the neck which should have been a personal foul) or a face mask. I'm not ragging on the refs but goodness it was bad.:(

[VAMike]

My point is that even if the call was missed it was only missed by 2 officials as the other 3 would not be looking there. ANd if the tackle was around the neck, that is not a foul anyway.

[TxStBobcat]

Originally posted by SintonFan
Just got back from the Hondo/OG game. Man those Owls are tough. They were bigger, faster and stronger than OG. Simply put OG was out-manned. OG had alot of heart and were determined but they couldn't punch it in. They had some nice drives but would stall inside the 20 when the Hondo D stepped it up.
The second ejection was supposedly because the OG kid threw a punch(at least that's the motion the guy in the white hat motioned as he pulled the kid off the field.)
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Congratulations OG on a great season. :)
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Good win Hondo. You guys look really good and ready to give Wimberely fits, I'm sure.:)

Thank you. The team was really starting to click, especially after the half. Cant wait till next week, because I am definately going to this game. And to Orange Grove, you played your hearts out, that i have to say. Also, good luck to the rest of the teams in the playoffs

[htowntransplant]

i thought if you grab the helmet from underneath and just swing the guy....the point of facemask penalties doesnt (or shouldnt) just apply to the actual grill of the helmet. they are supposed to try to protect guys from having their necks twisted viciously. if what happened was not a penalty, then we might as well do away with facemasks all together. o well....i guess this call isnt really what the difference in the outcome was. hondo was simply the better team, and so i guess its pointless at this point to discuss poor officiating, especially after the kind of outcome there was. :(

[htowntransplant]

i must also say that i thought OG did alot of positive things on offense, even though the score doesnt necessarily reflect it. OG did a great job of effectively keeping hondo's offense off the field in the 2nd qtr by running the ball well.

[VAMike]

Originally posted by htowntransplant
i thought if you grab the helmet from underneath and just swing the guy....the point of facemask penalties doesnt (or shouldnt) just apply to the actual grill of the helmet. they are supposed to try to protect guys from having their necks twisted viciously. if what happened was not a penalty, then we might as well do away with facemasks all together. o well....i guess this call isnt really what the difference in the outcome was. hondo was simply the better team, and so i guess its pointless at this point to discuss poor officiating, especially after the kind of outcome there was. :(

I misunderstood. I thought you said the tackle was just around the neck. If you reach under the helmet from the back or side that is considered a facemask foul.

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by VAMike
I misunderstood. I thought you said the tackle was just around the neck. If you reach under the helmet from the back or side that is considered a facemask foul.
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I said that Mike, but http explained it much better than I did. The guy's whole neck and face were jerked around. It doesn't matter anyway and Hondo very much likely would have won convincingly anyway.

[htowntransplant]

yeh it was pretty noticeable.....from the club level! lol

[JakefootballGOD]

first i want to congrat hondo on a great game!! they have a awesome team! alot of class from the kids but not from the COACH...yea i'm calling him out, how are you going to run a fake field goal when your up by 30 with under 5 minutes to go....that is the thing that i hate the most about football in general, when a team beats another one, and they run it up! GET SOME CLASS there guy!!

the refs were pretty bad, i was on the OG sideline, i watch the game extremly close i never saw any punches, kicks or anything at all thrown....and i was standing right there on the high tackle, and it was a facemask, it wasn't called

Congrats on the big win hondo, but good luck with the texans next week, gonna have your hands full!

[pirate4state]

Congrats to Hondo!! :clap:

Bulldogs you had a great season!! :thumbsup:


It was nice to meet sotxrat tonight!! :) Have a pic...will post later.

[yourboss319]

I agree wit you that it should have been called and it was a facemask.. but that second guy who got ejected... they caught it on the jumbo tron.. he must have thrown at least 5 punches..

[TxStBobcat]

Originally posted by JakefootballGOD
first i want to congrat hondo on a great game!! they have a awesome team! alot of class from the kids but not from the COACH...yea i'm calling him out, how are you going to run a fake field goal when your up by 30 with under 5 minutes to go....that is the thing that i hate the most about football in general, when a team beats another one, and they run it up! GET SOME CLASS there guy!!

the refs were pretty bad, i was on the OG sideline, i watch the game extremly close i never saw any punches, kicks or anything at all thrown....and i was standing right there on the high tackle, and it was a facemask, it wasn't called

Congrats on the big win hondo, but good luck with the texans next week, gonna have your hands full!

Honestly I'm from Hondo and i feel you on the fake FG. I felt bad and im sorry to anybody who thinks thats bad sportsmanship. I wanted a FG but im guessing the coach wanted to send a message to Wimberley.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Great season Bulldogs, i was impressed how much the team had improved since last time i saw them against Sinton. They were hanging tough with the Owls trading good hits with them and staying in the game and with a chance to take the lead late in the 2nd QTR before things went sour after the Interception. Hondo was just as good as last year offensively and much better defensively this year. Hondo vs Wimberley good luck next week to both teams.

[Boosty_Hondo]

Originally posted by JakefootballGOD
first i want to congrat hondo on a great game!! they have a awesome team! alot of class from the kids but not from the COACH...yea i'm calling him out, how are you going to run a fake field goal when your up by 30 with under 5 minutes to go....that is the thing that i hate the most about football in general, when a team beats another one, and they run it up! GET SOME CLASS there guy!!

the refs were pretty bad, i was on the OG sideline, i watch the game extremly close i never saw any punches, kicks or anything at all thrown....and i was standing right there on the high tackle, and it was a facemask, it wasn't called

Congrats on the big win hondo, but good luck with the texans next week, gonna have your hands full!

Do NOT call coach wells out !!! he is a great coach done incredible things with the hondo program. the reason behind the fake field goal was to send a message to wimberly. and ther were punches and kicks i saw them on the jumbo tron and i was also close to the sideline and i saw it from my seat!!!! but none the less great game by hondo proved to everyone that they are for real congrats!! BEAT THE TEXANS!!!!

[VAMike]

Originally posted by JakefootballGOD
first i want to congrat hondo on a great game!! they have a awesome team! alot of class from the kids but not from the COACH...yea i'm calling him out, how are you going to run a fake field goal when your up by 30 with under 5 minutes to go....that is the thing that i hate the most about football in general, when a team beats another one, and they run it up! GET SOME CLASS there guy!!

the refs were pretty bad, i was on the OG sideline, i watch the game extremly close i never saw any punches, kicks or anything at all thrown....and i was standing right there on the high tackle, and it was a facemask, it wasn't called

Congrats on the big win hondo, but good luck with the texans next week, gonna have your hands full!

If you were on the sideline then you might have access to the OG HC. Ask him what he thought about the ejections. You will realize you are wrong.

On the "facemask", something that happens very frequently is that a player's arm gets on the facemask and the head rips around. The automatic assumption is the facemask was grabbed. And unless you are right there, within about 20 feet like the refs usually are, you would think there should be a flag.

[sotxrat]

Congrats to Hondo, you guys have a great team. I hope you go all the way.

Orange Grove, great season, your community is very proud of you guys.

because of time, i will read all the posts later, i am sure there will be a lot said about officials, but in short Hondo was better on this night and they proved it well. The officials did not cause OG to lose game. It seemed that og was confused from the very beginning. Some of it was due to Hondo and some i am sure was due to lack of focus.

Good luck Hondo!!!

[wimbo_pro]

Hondo got a very favorable spot on 4th and whatever on the goal line, down by 3 TD's I think (3rd quarter maybe?). If they got that first down, they MIGHT have gotten back in the game, but I doubt it. We were sitting with the Wimberley coaches, right above that corner of the field. It was a very bad spot, it should have been 1st and goal.

But, it wouldnt have mattered. OG was not in the class of Hondo...not by a long shot. Hondo was better in every aspect of the game. Hondo is good...but in my view, not good enough to get by the Texans. We shall see, right?

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Hondo got a very favorable spot on 4th and whatever on the goal line, down by 3 TD's I think (3rd quarter maybe?). If they got that first down, they MIGHT have gotten back in the game, but I doubt it. We were sitting with the Wimberley coaches, right above that corner of the field. It was a very bad spot, it should have been 1st and goal.

But, it wouldnt have mattered. OG was not in the class of Hondo...not by a long shot. Hondo was better in every aspect of the game. Hondo is good...but in my view, not good enough to get by the Texans. We shall see, right? i was right on that corner also about to leave and he was just short by the amount they it was correct spotting of the ball.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Originally posted by wimbo_pro
Hondo got a very favorable spot on 4th and whatever on the goal line, down by 3 TD's I think (3rd quarter maybe?). If they got that first down, they MIGHT have gotten back in the game, but I doubt it. We were sitting with the Wimberley coaches, right above that corner of the field. It was a very bad spot, it should have been 1st and goal.

But, it wouldnt have mattered. OG was not in the class of Hondo...not by a long shot. Hondo was better in every aspect of the game. Hondo is good...but in my view, not good enough to get by the Texans. We shall see, right? and i was just above ya'lls group

[wimbo_pro]

You think, SintonFan? It sure looked short to us where we were. But alas....thats why they only have ref's on the field and not in the stands, right?

[VAMike]

Imagine that...two people seeing the same thing from the same area and they saw something different???? ;-)

[TexDoc]

OG #12 was ejected because he wound up at the bottom of a pile after a fumble, his fumble, apparently got mad about something and started slugging one of the Hondo players. Funny thing is, he was hitting the Hondo player in the helmet and just hurting his own hand.

OG #59, who was on defense, started slugging a Hondo player in the back after a play.

Why these two thought they could do this and not be ejected, who knows. Not too smart.

If the officials had not flagged these this game could have got out of hand easily.

[sotxrat]

TexDoc, no excuse for their actions. But usually the one that retaliates is the one who gets caught. It may not have happened in these case though, only the players know. Let's just move on and talk about positive things.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

both games i saw from OG they played fiesty and with a attitude which i think show they didnt back down against bigger players.

[TexDoc]

Sotx, I just feel like I need to chime in about the officials in that game. They are friends of mine and good officials.

[sotxrat]

TexDoc, since they are friends of yours and are good officials, then they will learn from this game and use that learned experience in their future games. I have a strong tendencey to defend officials myself.

[TexDoc]

What is it they are supposed to have learned? There weren't any problems and nothing to learn from!

[scott Wilson]

A blatant Jumbotron sized facemask penalty that wasn`t called. the fact that the hondo players in the "scrum" for an already recovered fumble made some below the belt tries at getting the ball out of OG players hand (still no excuse to kick) I`m not condoning a kid kicking or punching another player, but as usual someone instigates something, and the retaliater gets caught. On the fourth down measurement in question they actually moved the ball backwards right before they measured for the first down at the goalline. The refs had to do their job by tossing those kids if they threw punches. But that facemask/helmet grab could`ve gotten that kid hurt bad, and no call. these are still kids and just because a ref may be "upset" that the fans are getting on him is no reason to start disregarding blatant calls. the whole game was marred with penalties and the refs calls were usually correct. that jumbotrron tells the truth, good or bad.The Hondo coach, well, I`m sure Wimberly will send you, and not your KIDS , the same "message" you sent our Coach and kids. Hondo was the better team, no doubt, congrats to their kids on the victory. Uncongrats to the coach for faking field goals and throwing long passes when the game was well in hand and time was running out. I`m glad they didn`t get a player injured having them in the game doing those plays that late with the contest fully in hand. Haven`t seen that in a long while (Since Gregory-Portland did it to Calallen in the early 80`s).

[TexDoc]

It was NOT a facemask! The player's forearm came across the facemask and the facemask was NEVER grabbed! His head twisted, but does not make it a penalty. Rest assured, they did not grab the facemask.

Just like I tell all players, it is usually the second player that gets caught. DO NOT RETALIATE! Officials cannot be on top of a pile immediately, can they? How can you fault an official for that? The OG player punched the Hondo player in the head about 10 times!

The ball was NOT moved! I don't know what game you were watching, but it wasn't the Hondo/OG game. The wingmen set the ball, and after he set it for forward progress, it was not moved.

There were 19 penalties in this game, way too many for a third round playoff game, but that's the teams' fault, not the officials. This game could have easily got out of hand if they had not clamped down early.

What else?

[Boosty_Hondo]

Originally posted by TexDoc
It was NOT a facemask! The player's forearm came across the facemask and the facemask was NEVER grabbed! His head twisted, but does not make it a penalty. Rest assured, they did not grab the facemask.

Just like I tell all players, it is usually the second player that gets caught. DO NOT RETALIATE! Officials cannot be on top of a pile immediately, can they? How can you fault an official for that? The OG player punched the Hondo player in the head about 10 times!

The ball was NOT moved! I don't know what game you were watching, but it wasn't the Hondo/OG game. The wingmen set the ball, and after he set it for forward progress, it was not moved.

There were 19 penalties in this game, way too many for a third round playoff game, but that's the teams' fault, not the officials. This game could have easily got out of hand if they had not clamped down early.

What else?

i agree this game could got out of hand fast im glad they made the calls they did couse if they wouldnt have they game would have turned into a brawl

[snaxet]

I have to agree with Scott Wilson on the facemask and the spot at the goal line. Everyone around us saw the face mask violation. (and none of us were there to support either team just to watch the game and see who Wimberley would play). It was just too obvious. As to the questionable OG spot at the goal line, it was right in front of us, and the Official after having planted his foot to mark the ball later moved his foot back away from the goal and his initial spot. He then placed the ball down where he replanted his foot. It was pretty obvious, and yes, OG would have made the first down if the Official had stayed with his original spot. Probably would not have made a difference in the outcome of the game but when you add up the no call on the facemask, the poor spot on the goal line, the two ejections which were a little extreme, the score would possibly have been closer.

As far as the fake field goal, that reminded me of a fight on a Houston freeway that I once witnessed. Cowboy and another guy stopped their vehicles, got out and went to fist city. The cowboy got the best of the other guy, left him laying on the ground next to his car and went to get into his truck. Just before getting in the truck, he stopped turned, went back and kicked the guy while he was down and out. I don't know of any reason that would justify the cowboy taking the shots he took after the fight was clearly over, and likewise I can find no justification for the fake field goal by Hondo with OG down and out.

[TexDoc]

Once again, it is not a facemask when the facemask is not grabbed. If a player's arm comes across the facemask and causes the other player's head to turn, it is nothing. It was not a facemask.

Unless you were standing right there, you would not know how bad the punches were that were thrown by the OG players. Believe me, they deserved to be tossed.

I don't know about the spot so I'll leave that one alone.

Okay, time to move on.

[sotxrat]

quote from TexDoc: What is it they are supposed to have learned? There weren't any problems and nothing to learn from!

I am sure this crew was and is totally qualified to be assigned this game. Also, I am sure that they will receive copy of the game tape. Because this crew qualifed to be assigned this game, they probably go over ever game they do at a later date. They will go over it then and discuss what or if anything they need to improve to even become a better crew. Now if you want me to mention what I think could have been done differently, I will not do that, this forum is not the place. If you would like to me to pm you, i will not have a problem with that.

[TexDoc]

Nope, no response needed. Unless you are an official, I don't think you're qualified to critique. Thanks for the offer though.

[Bull Butter]

Tex Doc, you sound as if you were one of the officials at the game. I also hope you never officiate one of our games as you seem to be very arrogant.

[sotxrat]

TexDoc - I may still not be qualified to critique, but I took a leave until I get my last boy out of high school. I was even crazy enough to wear the white hat a few times before our chapter went to crews, then went to BJ the last few years. Had a ton of fun.

[scott Wilson]

Anytime anypart of the helmet is grabbed to "force" a players head in a different direction, it`s called a facemask penalty. Just because he may not have had the actual facemask, it`s still a penalty. I saw some bad calls go against Hondo as well, so I`m not saying the refs controlled the outcome of the game or did a bad job. I thought the game was called as well as it needed to be so it didn`t get ugly.The calls really went both ways, so it was a fair called game. Orange Grove`s coach really berated the two players that got ejected for kicking and punching. The first player #12, was kicking his legs to get loose as a hondo player would not let go. He should`ve laid there and been patient, instead he lost his composure and it cost him his last game as a ballplayer. The second player #59, well, no excuse for his action. Both young men have since written apology letters to the Hondo football team and Coach. That`s a classy move by both thsoe young men . Kudos to those kids as they did feel bad about their actions. As far as running fakes and throw deep on kids that , while, yes definetly overmatched, played their hearts out just like every other team that was fortunate enough to make the playoffs, well, hopefully we learned a valuable lesson. Simple fact of the matter is that Hondo has kids in school that are bigger, faster, and stronger than the kids in Orange Grove. You play with the kids that sign up for the program. The coaches got a lot out of these kids and that says alot to me about their heart and desire. We knew Hondo was gonna be a stronger opponent. They are a very good ball team. If the coach at Hondo was "retaliating" for our kids actions by running up the score with fakes, well, the question begs," Who`s the adult and who`s the kid in that situation?" If he did it to show Wimberley something (as someone suggested), well, I wouldn`t show my gadget plays when I`m up by 30+ before next weeks game. I`ll bet Wimberly`s coaches are preparing all week for any kind of fake this or fake that. Good Luck to both teams and I hope no one gets injured. Wimberly looks unstoppable to me. When you can drop that many on Cuero, your pretty darn good.

[pirate4state]

This has been talked to death. IF you still need to discuss it - send it in a PM.