Christians>??

[sweetwater07]

just wondering?....how many folks on here consider themselves christians versus agnostic or a non-believer

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by sweetwater07
just wondering?....how many folks on here consider themselves christians versus agnostic or a non-believer
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So are you an "objective" non-believing agnostic? lol you know these topics are off-limits.:p

[sweetwater07]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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So are you an "objective" non-believing agnostic? lol you know these topics are off-limits.:p

i didn't know it was offlimits to discuss religion..figured politics and religion go hand in hand....i believe in Objectivism...A is A and nothing else..organized religion is a hinderance...of the same vein as socialism

[Ranger Mom]

Politics and religion are off limits....looks like it's time to clean house!

Personally...the topic of religion gets me going WAY more than politics does!!

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by sweetwater07
i didn't know it was offlimits to discuss religion..figured politics and religion go hand in hand....i believe in Objectivism...A is A and nothing else..organized religion is a hinderance...of the same vein as socialism
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That's kinda awkward to believe that "organized religion is a hinderance...of the same vein as socialism". Didn't you just contradict yourself with that statement? No? Well, I'm sure all "objectives" feel that they are superior of thought compared to poor folks who have a faith in anything greater than themselves. Please feel free to enlighten us...:) :rolleyes:

[Boosty_Hondo]

im a christian and not afraid to admit it

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by sweetwater07
just wondering?....how many folks on here consider themselves christians versus agnostic or a non-believer
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I love the way you didn't vote in your own poll. How's that for being "objective". lol:D

[BrahmaDAD70]

No religon in sports?
So why do teams throw the "Hail Mary"
when they try to make a comeback?

[AggieJohn]

your right Ranger Mom, i get more heated when i talk about religion then when i do talk about politics

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by BrahmaDAD70
No religon in sports?
So why do teams throw the "Hail Mary"
when they try to make a comeback?
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Cuz sw07 had "Full of Grace" outlawed at the HS games.:( :D

[sweetwater07]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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That's kinda awkward to believe that "organized religion is a hinderance...of the same vein as socialism". Didn't you just contradict yourself with that statement? No? Well, I'm sure all "objectives" feel that they are superior of thought compared to poor folks who have a faith in anything greater than themselves. Please feel free to enlighten us...:) :rolleyes:

i don't believe i'm superior to anything or anyone....i just find it hard to believe that someone could believe in something that they have no proof of....believing in something for me has to be proven to me................being as most Christians preach damnation and hellfire which in itself is a sin...it seems like a bed of Hipocracy to me...idk..maybe i am just non-mainstream

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by sweetwater07
just wondering?....how many folks on here consider themselves christians versus agnostic or a non-believer

I'll say a lil prayer for you!:)

[AggieJohn]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I'll say a lil prayer for you!:) there ya go, isn't this debating religion almost ;)

[Ranger Mom]

My favorite saying seems to fit in right here:

I would rather believe and find out it was all a myth, then NOT believe and find out it wasn't!!:eek: :eek:

[AggieJohn]

good phrase kellye

[sweetwater07]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I'll say a lil prayer for you!:)

appreciated..maybe i need it..i'm about as faithless as it gets

[Pudlugger]

Originally posted by sweetwater07
i didn't know it was offlimits to discuss religion..figured politics and religion go hand in hand....i believe in Objectivism...A is A and nothing else..organized religion is a hinderance...of the same vein as socialism

You are young and full of worldly things. Life will change you.

[mustang04]

i see it on both sides of the fence....thats why i'm not voting, cuz i know if i was a true christian, i wouldn't believe there was another side of the fence...i'd like to believe there is a God, but on that same token, if there is one and i'm at my current standpoint, it would prolly qualify me for hell...i think i'm just going through one of those stages in my life:(

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by sweetwater07
appreciated..maybe i need it..i'm about as faithless as it gets

:eek: :eek: In that case...maybe I had better say two!!:p

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by sweetwater07
i don't believe i'm superior to anything or anyone....i just find it hard to believe that someone could believe in something that they have no proof of....believing in something for me has to be proven to me................being as most Christians preach damnation and hellfire which in itself is a sin...it seems like a bed of Hipocracy to me...idk..maybe i am just non-mainstream
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So maybe that's why "IT" is called faith.
Well hellfire and damnation...:p

[sweetwater07]

Originally posted by mustang04
i see it on both sides of the fence....thats why i'm not voting, cuz i know if i was a true christian, i wouldn't believe there was another side of the fence...i'd like to believe there is a God, but on that same token, if there is one and i'm at my current standpoint, it would prolly qualify me for hell...i think i'm just going through one of those stages in my life:(

see i just view some of the things that happen in the world as proof of no suh entity called "god"....if he loved us all equal as the bible states..then why are their starving ppl all over the world??...why are there homeless people??.....i understand decisions could effect you life and that kind of makes my point...your in control of your own destiny not "God"

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by mustang04
i see it on both sides of the fence....thats why i'm not voting, cuz i know if i was a true christian, i wouldn't believe there was another side of the fence...i'd like to believe there is a God, but on that same token, if there is one and i'm at my current standpoint, it would prolly qualify me for hell...i think i'm just going through one of those stages in my life:(
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Reggie I have been there. We all have been there. I'm not perfect, never will be, but if you stop trying to be better than yourself's selfish tendancies, then you lose
no matter if you believe in God or not. :)

[Pudlugger]

Originally posted by sweetwater07
i don't believe i'm superior to anything or anyone....i just find it hard to believe that someone could believe in something that they have no proof of....believing in something for me has to be proven to me................being as most Christians preach damnation and hellfire which in itself is a sin...it seems like a bed of Hipocracy to me...idk..maybe i am just non-mainstream

Do you believe in gravity? Please prove to me what it is. While you're at it please explain the Unified Theory of mass and energy. Oh wait you can't, we just have to go on faith I guess. Thank you.;)

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by sweetwater07
i didn't know it was offlimits to discuss religion..figured politics and religion go hand in hand
Can't discuss politics either.

[mustang04]

Originally posted by sweetwater07
see i just view some of the things that happen in the world as proof of no suh entity called "god"....if he loved us all equal as the bible states..then why are their starving ppl all over the world??...why are there homeless people??.....i understand decisions could effect you life and that kind of makes my point...your in control of your own destiny not "God"

well you can't say "why are there bad things?" tho, cuz those kind of things can test your faith...but the thing is, if you already knows our fate, then pretty much doesnt he know wether we are going to heaven or hell when we die? so wouldn't that mean that right when we are born, it's pretermined??

[sweetwater07]

Originally posted by Pudlugger
Do you believe in gravity? Please prove to me what it is. While you're at it please explain the Unified Theory of mass and energy. Oh wait you can't, we just have to go on faith I guess. Thank you.;)


i knew something like this would come up...its beyond that in my opinion..beyond worldy things..more so godly things..such as parting an entire sea with a cane, bringing the dead to life again...

[mustang04]

Originally posted by Pudlugger
Do you believe in gravity? Please prove to me what it is. While you're at it please explain the Unified Theory of mass and energy. Oh wait you can't, we just have to go on faith I guess. Thank you.;)

actually its all electrons, neutrons, and protons and how there movement and charge can attract each other etc etc....whatever side of the fence, no one will ever know where ANYTHING came from

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by sweetwater07
see i just view some of the things that happen in the world as proof of no suh entity called "god"....if he loved us all equal as the bible states..then why are their starving ppl all over the world??...why are there homeless people??.....i understand decisions could effect you life and that kind of makes my point...your in control of your own destiny not "God"
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Oh Lordy. Someone tell him that God maybe doesn't pay attention to every freakin thing going on right now. But God is blamed for everything. :devil:

[mustang04]

sometimes i think religions were created to keep a society in order...kinda like a mom telling her son to be good or the boogeyman will get him at night to scare the kid into obedience

[Pudlugger]

Duality. Without evil there is no good, without loss there is no gain, without pain there is no joy and so forth. God gave us choice and free will. If you want Disneyland go to Florida.;)

[mustang04]

i'm not saying there isn't a God, and i'm not saying there is....cuz i can see both sides of the fence and can defend both sides pretty damn good

[sweetwater07]

Originally posted by mustang04
well you can't say "why are there bad things?" tho, cuz those kind of things can test your faith...but the thing is, if you already knows our fate, then pretty much doesnt he know wether we are going to heaven or hell when we die? so wouldn't that mean that right when we are born, it's pretermined??

you would think that if he knows our fate..as you say....then yes he would know if we go to heaven or hell and therefore no point to living our lives....goes hand in hand with Ayn Rand's "The Foutainhead"....states that there is no point to life, we are born into an indifferent, and chaotic world that ones only purpose is to achieve self gratification

[mustang04]

Originally posted by Pudlugger
Duality. Without evil there is no good, without loss there is no gain, without pain there is no joy and so forth. God gave us choice and free will. If you want Disneyland go to Florida.;)

kinda like there cant be matter without anti-matter...right?

positive charge to a negative charge....

[mustang04]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
My favorite saying seems to fit in right here:

I would rather believe and find out it was all a myth, then NOT believe and find out it wasn't!!:eek: :eek:

the only thing about that is...i dont wanna believe in God to AVOID hell...accepting Jesus into one's heart shouldn't be for fear of damnation, but the will to be in the grace of Him

[sweetwater07]

Originally posted by mustang04
sometimes i think religions were created to keep a society in order...kinda like a mom telling her son to be good or the boogeyman will get him at night to scare the kid into obedience


seems like a manipulation from churches to the people...be good or your going to hell....teaching kids that from the time they are little to thats all they know..so therefore they haven't seen any other views that might make them believe something other than what they have been taught since children

[mustang04]

Originally posted by sweetwater07
seems like a manipulation from churches to the people...be good or your going to hell....teaching kids that from the time they are little to thats all they know..so therefore they haven't seen any other views that might make them believe something other than what they have been taught since children

well..all i know is...im not cancelling either out right now....i really hope that my faith can become what i really want it to be, but i have to have it for the right reason

[spiveyrat]

Originally posted by Pudlugger
Do you believe in gravity? Please prove to me what it is. While you're at it please explain the Unified Theory of mass and energy. Oh wait you can't, we just have to go on faith I guess. Thank you.;)

...kind of like the wind. You can't see the wind. You can only see the effects of the wind.

[Pudlugger]

Originally posted by sweetwater07
see i just view some of the things that happen in the world as proof of no suh entity called "god"....if he loved us all equal as the bible states..then why are their starving ppl all over the world??...why are there homeless people??.....i understand decisions could effect you life and that kind of makes my point...your in control of your own destiny not "God"

Our Father gave us free will and put us in a real world where there are serious hazards. It is not like your mother who loves you and wanted your playground safe and free from hazards and watched over by a flock of tort attorney's. It is a real world we play in son, and a greater entity is keeping score.He loves you and is on your side. ;)

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by mustang04
actually its all electrons, neutrons, and protons and how there movement and charge can attract each other etc etc....whatever side of the fence, no one will ever know where ANYTHING came from
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Not true. Do you know that science has created it's own leg of science called "quantum physics" and "quantum mechanics" because it can't explain just how electrons, neutrons, and protons work consistently? I am very familiar with these subjects and almost every quantum scientist out there can't explain how these things called "faith" and "belief miracles" happen(Don't try to explain it to me as you have little understanding about it either). Stop digesting what your professor tells you is fact and actually challenge them on intelligent thought next time. Too bad you'll get told your are stupid if you do. :p

[mustang04]

Originally posted by Pudlugger
Our Father gave us free will and put us in a real world where there are serious hazards. It is not like your mother who loves you and wanted your playground safe and free from hazards and watched over by a flock of tort attorney's. It is a real world we play in son, and a greater entity is keeping score.He loves you and is on your side. ;)

but if He knows your fate, doesn't that mean that the choices you make to end up with that fate are pre-dermined?

[Pudlugger]

Originally posted by mustang04
kinda like there cant be matter without anti-matter...right?

positive charge to a negative charge....
Yeah, empirically it would appear so but we see with a tiny eye.

[sweetwater07]

Originally posted by mustang04
well..all i know is...im not cancelling either out right now....i really hope that my faith can become what i really want it to be, but i have to have it for the right reason

thats right..if by some crazy incident i gain some faith i want it to be because i truly want it, not by having it and taking Jesus into my heart because the church told me i was going to hell if i didn't take him in.....once again, manipulation

[mustang04]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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Not true. Do you know that science has created it's own leg of science called "quantum physics" and "quantum mechanics" because it can't explain just how electrons, neutrons, and protons work consistently? I am very familiar with these subjects and almost every quantum scientist out there can't explain how these things called "faith" and "belief miracles" happen(Don't try to explain it to me as you have little understanding about it either). Stop digesting what your professor tells you is fact and actually challenge them on intelligent thought next time. Too bad you'll get told your are stupid if you do. :p

well of course there are things that scientists can't explain....but there were things 2000 years ago that no one could explain that we can now..no one is born automatically knowing how things work...thats how scientific method was developed

[sweetwater07]

this thread is about to be closed

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by sweetwater07
thats right..if by some crazy incident i gain some faith i want it to be because i truly want it, not by having it and taking Jesus into my heart because the church told me i was going to hell if i didn't take him in.....once again, manipulation

If you accept Jesus into your heart for that reason and that reason only....then essentially, you haven't taken Him into your heart at all!

[Pudlugger]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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Not true. Do you know that science has created it's own leg of science called "quantum physics" and "quantum mechanics" because it can't explain just how electrons, neutrons, and protons work consistently? I am very familiar with these subjects and almost every quantum scientist out there can't explain how these things called "faith" and "belief miracles" happen(Don't try to explain it to me as you have little understanding about it either). Stop digesting what your professor tells you is fact and actually challenge them on intelligent thought next time. Too bad you'll get told your are stupid if you do. :p

Exactly, science fails us in explaining these things, it only raises more questions. We must rely on faith to accept the reality of the world as we experience it. Only poor scientists can not see beyond their weak lenses of the world and deny faith. Einstein believed in
G-d.

[mustang04]

all i'm saying is...I want to be a devoted Christian, because i'd love to think that there is a place where i can go when i die to see my dead aunt, grandparents and whatnot (i know i'll know them as brothers and sisters) but i just think that no religion whatever it is can condemn those who believe in science...they can try to persuade them, but who are they to judge?

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by sweetwater07
this thread is about to be closed

I am keeping an eye on it.

So far...it HAS been a civilized discussion...no one's feelings are hurt and no one is trying to push their belief down someone else's throat.

I see no problem so far!!

[luvhoops34]

My only question is WHY is this thread even on here?????? And why hasn't it been deleted??? Everytime I have been on here today, I've seen a political thread and now a religious thread. Quite frankly, I don't come on this board to see either and I find it offensive. Call me bitchy or whatever, but if yall want to discuss politics or religion go somewhere else.

What is the point of having rules if none of yall are even making an attempt to follow them.

And quite frankly, I don't care to know who believe in God and who doesn't. That's personal.

And since you asked, I do and if you don't well there's not much hope for you......And if you don't like what I have to say, then tough titty. This thread shouldn't be on here anyway.

[spiveyrat]

How would we even know right from wrong, good from evil without an accountability to something greater than ourselves? Morality wouldn't exist and neither would your conscience.

[mustang04]

Originally posted by Pudlugger
Exactly, science fails us in explaining these things, it only raises more questions. We must rely on faith to accept the reality of the world as we experience it. Only poor scientists can not see beyond their weak lenses of the world and deny faith. Einstein believed in
G-d.

well i think that there is a combination of science and religion

[mustang04]

Originally posted by spiveyrat
How would we even know right from wrong, good from evil without an accountability to something greater than ourselves? Morality wouldn't exist and neither would your conscience.

you can have morals and still not believe in a religion...thats what seperates us from other creatures

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by sweetwater07
thats right..if by some crazy incident i gain some faith i want it to be because i truly want it, not by having it and taking Jesus into my heart because the church told me i was going to hell if i didn't take him in.....once again, manipulation
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But I, every day, have to make a choice to be who I want to be. I am compelled to make the wrong choices not just in my eyes, but by what I see on TV, hear in music and read on the internet. I choose to be the best person I can be based on Christian morals. Even if you don't believe in God, isn't it better that you believe the foundation set in stone(by those Ten Commandments); is justified for you and those around you? Didn't you grow up in a Christian house? Or am I just manipulating you to agree with me.

[mwynn05]

Originally posted by luvhoops34
My only question is WHY is this thread even on here?????? And why hasn't it been deleted??? Everytime I have been on here today, I've seen a political thread and now a religious thread. Quite frankly, I don't come on this board to see either and I find it offensive. Call me bitchy or whatever, but if yall want to discuss politics or religion go somewhere else.

What is the point of having rules if none of yall are even making an attempt to follow them.

And quite frankly, I don't care to know who believe in God and who doesn't. That's personal.

And since you asked, I do and if you don't well there's not much hope for you......And if you don't like what I have to say, then tough titty. This thread shouldn't be on here anyway. oh shut it....the mods are in contorl this thread is not out of hand it is very much under control and if you dont like the thread DONT OPEN IT

[mustang04]

Originally posted by luvhoops34
My only question is WHY is this thread even on here?????? And why hasn't it been deleted??? Everytime I have been on here today, I've seen a political thread and now a religious thread. Quite frankly, I don't come on this board to see either and I find it offensive. Call me bitchy or whatever, but if yall want to discuss politics or religion go somewhere else.

What is the point of having rules if none of yall are even making an attempt to follow them.

And quite frankly, I don't care to know who believe in God and who doesn't. That's personal.

And since you asked, I do and if you don't well there's not much hope for you......And if you don't like what I have to say, then tough titty. This thread shouldn't be on here anyway.

im surpise you seem SOOOOOOO dedicated to a football only thread, yet your name supports another sport:D

[Pudlugger]

Originally posted by mustang04
well i think that there is a combination of science and religion

Science is a tool useful to us in many ways but it is limited in scope. The universe is way beyond our kin. That's where faith kicks in.;)

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by luvhoops34
My only question is WHY is this thread even on here?????? And why hasn't it been deleted??? Everytime I have been on here today, I've seen a political thread and now a religious thread. Quite frankly, I don't come on this board to see either and I find it offensive. Call me bitchy or whatever, but if yall want to discuss politics or religion go somewhere else.

What is the point of having rules if none of yall are even making an attempt to follow them.

And quite frankly, I don't care to know who believe in God and who doesn't. That's personal.

And since you asked, I do and if you don't well there's not much hope for you......And if you don't like what I have to say, then tough titty. This thread shouldn't be on here anyway.

I am monitoring it.....

[mustang04]

before it's closed...i just want one thing...for those devout Christians to pray for me to help me see the truth and have a stronger faith in God, cuz at the position i'm at right now...it's not good if i'm wanting into heaven in the end....

[mustang04]

Originally posted by Pudlugger
Science is a tool useful to us in many ways but it is limited in scope. The universe is way beyond our kin. That's where faith kicks in.;)

thats a good point...but scientists or Christians can have faith....faith can be for science or God

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by mustang04
before it's closed...i just want one thing...for those devout Christians to pray for me to help me see the truth and have a stronger faith in God, cuz at the position i'm at right now...it's not good if i'm wanting into heaven in the end....

I will Reggie!!

I know how you were raised, I have faith that your faith will win out in the end!!

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by mustang04
well of course there are things that scientists can't explain....but there were things 2000 years ago that no one could explain that we can now..no one is born automatically knowing how things work...thats how scientific method was developed
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But now we have this "awesome" science that is somewhat arrogant in that tends to discard what it can not understand. That's where FAITH is more valid than science. And why not? Just recently, science founds that there is 2x more mass in the "universe" than was previously thought to be. How is that possible? The universe is not finite, it is ever-expanding, so how can we account for this? I know their reasons, and they sound good, but guess what? IT TAKES A LEAP OF FAITH TO BELEIVE IN SCIENCE TOO? So why is God looked down upon in the same sense? Ask yourself that?:)

[mwynn05]

As long as no one forces anything and have CIVILIZED and RESPECTFUL conversation i think these threads are okay on this board...being a long time member i think that is the spirit of the rule about no politics religion etc because people couldn't be respectful or civilized..that is how i am interpreting the rule and I will do that Reggie

[mustang04]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I will Reggie!!

I know how you were raised, I have faith that your faith will win out in the end!!

thank you

[spiveyrat]

Originally posted by mustang04
you can have morals and still not believe in a religion...thats what seperates us from other creatures

You can? Where would those morals have come from? :thinking:

[mustang04]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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But now we have this "awesome" science that is somewhat arrogant in that tends to discard what it can not understand. That's where FAITH is more valid than science. And why not? Just recently, science founds that there is 2x more mass in the "universe" than was previously thought to be. How is that possible? The universe is not finite, it is ever-expanding, so how can we account for this? I know their reasons, and they sound good, but guess what? IT TAKES A LEAP OF FAITH TO BELEIVE IN SCIENCE TOO? So why is God looked down upon in the same sense? Ask yourself that?:)

i've been saying that all along..both require faith...science is an ongoing learning process

[Pudlugger]

Originally posted by mustang04
you can have morals and still not believe in a religion...thats what seperates us from other creatures

Morals are like our instincts as to how to behave based on our standards. God gives us rules, like road signs, "slow down, curve ahead". You may not believe that there is a curve ahead, you may believe the road is straight, but when you fly off the pavement say your prayers!:D

[sweetwater07]

Originally posted by mustang04
im surpise you seem SOOOOOOO dedicated to a football only thread, yet your name supports another sport:D

:D ..shes hasn't taken her daily vitamins and blood pressure pills

[tiger_94]

Originally posted by luvhoops34
My only question is WHY is this thread even on here?????? And why hasn't it been deleted??? Everytime I have been on here today, I've seen a political thread and now a religious thread. Quite frankly, I don't come on this board to see either and I find it offensive. Call me bitchy or whatever, but if yall want to discuss politics or religion go somewhere else.

What is the point of having rules if none of yall are even making an attempt to follow them.

And quite frankly, I don't care to know who believe in God and who doesn't. That's personal.

And since you asked, I do and if you don't well there's not much hope for you......And if you don't like what I have to say, then tough titty. This thread shouldn't be on here anyway.

You say your a christian and if you say you are for all i know you are.. but the first thing you say after that is that theres not much hope for those who are not.. thats not the right outlook at all

[mustang04]

Originally posted by spiveyrat
You can? Where would those morals have come from? :thinking:

from the history of showing that staying peaceful and using teamwork can help overcome obstacles...watch ants.

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by mustang04
i've been saying that all along..both require faith...science is an ongoing learning process

I think faith is an ongoing learning process too!!

[mustang04]

Originally posted by tiger_94
You say your a christian and if you say you are for all i know you are.. but the first thing you say after that is that theres not much hope for those who are not.. thats not the right outlook at all

EXACTLY...not a single soul on this earth has the position to tell me where i am going

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by tiger_94
You say your a christian and if you say you are for all i know you are.. but the first thing you say after that is that theres not much hope for those who are not.. thats not the right outlook at all

I believe there is hope for the most hopeless individual there is!!

[tiger_94]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I believe there is hope for the most hopeless individual there is!!
thats what im sayin

[spiveyrat]

There's violence, theivery, etc in the animal kingdom too. I don't think that fits here.

[sweetwater07]

seems as though i've started a wildfire..sorry Mods if this gets out of control and i was unaware of the rule...i'm out for the night....sorry to leave you alone Reg

[spiveyrat]

Cool! Now we can gang up on him !!! :evillol:

[mustang04]

Originally posted by spiveyrat
There's violence, theivery, etc in the animal kingdom too. I don't think that fits here.

you obviously can't follow along....

[spiveyrat]

j/k, it's my bed time too.

[mustang04]

Rangermom...i give you permission to close the thread.....i have my beliefs and everybody else has theirs.....this is an arguement i have to have in person because i definitley dont wanna type all what i know or believe to back my points up

anyways...Pray for me!

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by sweetwater07
seems as though i've started a wildfire..sorry Mods if this gets out of control and i was unaware of the rule...i'm out for the night....sorry to leave you alone Reg
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No wildfire at all. Don't leave now as you would just prove you really don't believe in anything at all.:rolleyes:

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by mustang04
Rangermom...i give you permission to close the thread.....i have my beliefs and everybody else has theirs.....this is an arguement i have to have in person because i definitley dont wanna type all what i know or believe to back my points up

anyways...Pray for me!

Reggie, just the fact that you have asked to be prayed for twice, speaks volumes to me.

I think you are at that point in your life where you may be confused, but I honestly believe, deep down, you believe!!

[mustang04]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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No wildfire at all. Don't leave now as you would just prove you really don't believe in anything at all.:rolleyes:

well heres the deal..i believe some refuse to believe to accept Jesus cuz its alot easier to live without worrying to pay for your sins....I on the other hand believe other things, i still base my morals off the 10 Commandments because i used to be a better Christian than i am now, and i am wanting to get back there, but what i'm doing is defending science cuz it is kinda hypocritical for a Christian so stand there and bash a scientist for not knowing all the keys to the universe YET, and at the same time all the Christians beliefs are based on faith...neither have room to bash each other

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by mustang04
i've been saying that all along..both require faith...science is an ongoing learning process
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Ah but yes, that's where science will lead you down a seductive road towards it's own religion. Many scientist think they have a religion there and they are it's own messiahs. Think about it.
I love physics and all, but tell me where it explains a person suddenly free from cancer lives when that same person had a month or two to live, period. Only faith in God can explain that.:)

[mustang04]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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Ah but yes, that's where science will lead you down a seductive road towards it's own religion. Many scientist think they have a religion there and they are it's own messiahs. Think about it.
I love physics and all, but tell me where it explains a person suddenly free from cancer lives when that same person had a month or two to live, period. Only faith in God can explain that.:)

or an onset of chemicals in the body and the capability of the human immune system to finally recognize foreign cells, the human body is too complex and varies too much from person to person to underestimate it

[bulldogman06]

I wish I could have been here for the beginning of this conversation.... Oh and I will be praying for you Reggie

[Ranger Mom]

I am closing this for now. I am going to bed and don't want to leave it unmonitored.

For all of you who participated, thank you for keeping it civil and informative.

[Ranger Mom]

Okay....I will open this back up and hope the conversation can continue in a civil manner.

[kaorder1999]

maybe I'm wrong here and I havent even read through the thread but I'm not sure this is the place for a thread like this. It's just a ticking time bomb!

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by kaorder1999
maybe I'm wrong here and I havent even read through the thread but I'm not sure this is the place for a thread like this. It's just a ticking time bomb!

Then you should read the thread...it stayed civil and informative all the way though.

It was being closely monitored the entire time and at the hint of anything I was prepared to lock it down!

[SideBurnWillie]

5). No political/religious topics.
Political topics involving American political parties and their current candidates for office and religious topics are forbidden. Both of these generally invoke problems and sometimes cause hard feelings.

:confused:

[tigerbyheart]

Originally posted by mustang04
i'd like to believe there is a God, but on that same token, if there is one and i'm at my current standpoint, it would prolly qualify me for hell...i think i'm just going through one of those stages in my life:(

That is why I accepted Christ into my heart and life. I thought the same way before I did that. I thought well why would I be allowed in heaven, when I've not lived as I should. Then I learned that is why Christ was sent to this earth. Through his blood we are forgiven for our sins. As long as we believe, and trust in him.

[JasperDog94]

Reggie,

Earlier you asked about our lives being pre-determined or pre-destined. This is how I look at it.

If you ask a 5 year old if they want a piece of candy or a 100 dollar bill, they will choose the piece of candy.

If you ask an 18 year old if they want a piece of candy or a 100 dollar bill, they will choose the 100 dollar bill.

Did you make that choice for them? No. Did you predestine their choice? No. Did your knowledge of the individuals allow you to know what choice they were going to make? Yes. But you didn't make them choose it.

I think that's how God works. We are allowed to make our own choices in life. There are consequences for each choice we make, but that's how we grow as people. I know I've grown more as a man because of the bad choices I've made.

I hope this helps a little bit and I will be praying for you as well.

:)

[Ranger Mom]

Since I seem to keep having the rules thrown back in my face, even though there are political posts all over the board right now, I will shut this down.

I find it sad that someone would complain when a moderator is watching it as closely as I am watching this one...but, oh well.

If what was said got to just one person and made them think, then I feel like maybe we were a witness to someone and this thread was a good thing!!

For all of you who wanted to talk about this, like we had, in a good way, I'm sorry.