The Spread is Dead

[PPHSfan]

Been saying it for over a week now.

Yall better jump on the wagon if you wanna be right with me.

DC's have it figured out.

[Cameron Crazy]

DC's??:thinking:

[Bulldog_12]

Originally posted by PPHSfan
Been saying it for over a week now.

Yall better jump on the wagon if you wanna be right with me.

DC's have it figured out.

The only reason its dead is because quarterbacks like Graham Harrell run it, and he SUCKS!:mad: Cant you read? Its all Harrells fault.

[Cameron Crazy]

Originally posted by Bulldog_12
The only reason its dead is because quarterbacks like Graham Harrell run it, and he SUCKS!:mad: Cant you read? Its all Harrells fault. i know man harrells sucks so bad "put a new qb in there man and give the tech's d some credit"

[PPHSfan]

Originally posted by Bulldog_12
The only reason its dead is because quarterbacks like Graham Harrell run it, and he SUCKS!:mad: Cant you read? Its all Harrells fault.

Read what? Did you type something that a genius like myself woud read?:rolleyes:

[Bulldog_12]

Originally posted by Cameron Crazy
i know man harrells sucks so bad "put a new qb in there man and give the tech's d some credit"

Exactly, I was just getting to that point. But i needed about 20 minutes to think of a way to say it that is slightly rediculous and makes a jab at someone else.

[Cameron Crazy]

no read the Graham Harrell sucks thread!! It will explain itself!

[Cameron Crazy]

Originally posted by Bulldog_12
Exactly, I was just getting to that point. But i needed about 20 minutes to think of a way to say it that is slightly rediculous and makes a jab at someone else. lol i bet i know who that someone is lol!!!!

[PPHSfan]

Yall act like Tech is the only team that runs the spread. LOL

The Spread is Dead.

Tech is just a by-product of the death.

[Bulldog_12]

Originally posted by Cameron Crazy
lol i bet i know who that someone is lol!!!!

Nobody in particular, I am a peace loving person and I SHOW COMPASSION:mad:

[Cameron Crazy]

Originally posted by PPHSfan
Yall act like Tech is the only team that runs the spread. LOL

The Spread is Dead.

Tech is just a by-product of the death. lol!!!:D

[Old Tiger]

They don't run the true spread.

[NateDawg39]

So what comes after the spread? Will there be a more "new age" type offense to take its place?

[Bulldog_12]

Originally posted by NateDawg39
So what comes after the spread?

robots man, robots

[Old Tiger]

No it will just cycle back through.

[football4life]

um wait, missouri runs the spread....looked ok

[Bulldog_12]

Originally posted by football4life
um wait, missouri runs the spread....looked ok

Only because Graham Harrell was on the other side, and he looked so pathetic that Mizzou looked GREAT.:D

[Old Tiger]

Teams like Missouri and Florida run the true spread.

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Cameron Crazy
DC's??:thinking:

I know!! I know!!

DEFENSIVE COORDINATORS!!!

Am I right?? Huh? Huh? Am I??

[DU_stud04]

Originally posted by PPHSfan
Been saying it for over a week now.

Yall better jump on the wagon if you wanna be right with me.

DC's have it figured out.

i can stop the spread as well king....:D

[DU_stud04]

Originally posted by Tiger WR
No it will just cycle back through.
i think a hybrid of the veer:D

just my two cents

[SintonFan]

I can't stand Florida, fluoridated water and Miami or Miasmas. Mizzoo has a lot of Texas boys on their squad at least.

[PPHSfan]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I know!! I know!!

DEFENSIVE COORDINATORS!!!

Am I right?? Huh? Huh? Am I??

woo hoo wtg mom.

[GreenMonster]

Originally posted by Tiger WR
Teams like Missouri and Florida run the true spread.

If you think Florida runs a true spread you just don't know what a true spread offense is all about. Hawaii runs a true spread offense out there under June Jones. June is a Mouse Davis deciple. Mouse Davis invented the Spread offense. Florida runs a hybrid offense that is a combination of the Air Force wing-bone and the spread. Pretty fun offense to watch in my opinion. I think the next evolution of the game will be more of these hybrid offenses. OC's out there are smart enough to figure out ways to evolve their playbook. I'd love to see a hard charging power-rushing attack out of the spread. Use the spread look as a threat and take advantage of a defense by pulling all of their extra defenders out of the box. The wide splits most spread teams use will take the D-Line out of the picture as far as tackles go and it will put huge stress on the linebackers to really fill the gaps hard. Get this going and that opens up the underneath passing game over the middle. Get both things rolling and confuse the LB's to the point that they have no idea what is coming next. You're also going to start seeing some more throw-back offenses. (Bone, Veer, Wing-T) I think this will occur because it really gives you an advantage if what you do is something that the defense across the ball hasn't seen all year. Notice the success that Army, Navy, and Air Force have had over the past 10 years by running the antique option based offenses even though they are out-manned in almost every game they play.

[sahen]

baylor is running the spread this year and we r 2-0 in conference sor far :)

[Txbroadcaster]

To say a general statement such as the spread is dead is an EXTREME REACH mainly because the spread has already evolved into many diff styles

As mentioned Hawaii runs a true throwing Spread O that TTech runs.

Florida runs a spread that has alot of the option in it.

Texas...yea TEXAS runs the spread offense, and they mix the power running game with diff style of passes.

So in all reality the "Spread" offense is nothing more than a base offense now that you can do a variation of things off of depending on the QB, and the philosophy of the OC.

I dont think it will truly ever be "dead" The I-Formation is not dead, and it has been used for a long long time. The Spread will always be used by some team somewhere.

[PPHSfan]

Well the phrase "The Spread must Evolve" Does not rhyme like "The Spread is Dead" so just back off ok? And get on the wagon.:p

[Pudlugger]

Originally posted by PPHSfan
Well the phrase "The Spread must Evolve" Does not rhyme like "The Spread is Dead" so just back off ok? And get on the wagon.:p

LOL

This is an interesting thread PPHSfan. As I see it the spread works best if the qb is the best athlete, capable of running the ball as well as passing it. Vince Young is the archtype of such an athlete. The O line has to big, check that, huge. They need to be able to block the defensive tackles and ends effectively from the crouched position backing and moving to the outside to allow the qb time to check off the receivers. On running plays, they need to open holes from this set which requires great strength. Many teams try to run the spread without a dominant O line and pay the price: interceptions, sacks and failed draw plays and busted option stuff. Of course having good receivers who can outrun the dbs helps too. Finally, the offensive coordinator needs to be capable of mixing up the plays keeping the lbs off balance and wearing down the dbs on pass coverage setting up the running game. Texas Tech was plain out played by a better Mizzou team, the problem is not the spread.

[Bullaholic]

One-dimensional offenses of any kind will always be "dead" whether they be "spread" or "3-yds and a cloud of dust." The combo of DC's getting more used to defensing wide-open offenses and the increase in speed and athletic ability of the players, has contributed to the lack of effectiveness of the spread. This point is most dramatic in the pros, where it doesn't matter what offense you run---the athletic ability of the defensive players has risen to the level of their being able to stop any offense. It boils down to how well the OC outguesses the other team's DC and vice-versa. To win consistently in the modern game--you have to be able to call the right formations a high-percentaqge of the time---and a little "luck" like players falling down, and blowing assignments helps things, too.

[Pudlugger]

Good point. As defenses get better any offensive scheme becomes less effective. The secret is to keep the D guessing and not become predictable. The spread does allow for a wealth of variations in both running and passing the football. I like how it taxes the defenders, especially the dbs who have to cover the receivers on deep routes play in and play out. Eventually the ball will get thrown after the db gets burned on one of these routes. It is interesting to speculate on what the next big thing in offenses will be. As athletes get better new schemes are invented to defeat the defenses.

[injuredinmelee]

How much of Techs demise is the loss of Tareuan Henderson?

[PPHSfan]

This is not a TECH THREAD!!!!


It is a SPREAD THREAD



Tech does not rhyme with Thread.


SPREAD rhymes with THREAD.

[carter08]

Over time, defenses can figure mout the weaknesses to every formation and style. Things must change

[Cameron Crazy]

Buckeyes!!

[Gobbla2001]

people will try and copy-cat Liberty-Hill... problem is a lot are, they just can't do it like those boys can...

the next big offense will be the Y-stack...

what is the Y-stack you might ask?

It doesn't matter because it does not rhyme with bed... :D

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by Gobbla2001
people will try and copy-cat Liberty-Hill... problem is a lot are, they just can't do it like those boys can...

the next big offense will be the Y-stack...

what is the Y-stack you might ask?

It doesn't matter because it does not rhyme with bed... :D I heard Greg Davis was at a LH practice learning the system :D

[slpybear the bullfan]

The spread is alive and well in High School. And it will continue to prosper as long as you have 15, 16, 17, and 18 y.o. high school kiddos back there trying to play cornerback or safety.

I have said it as long as I have been on the board.... Toughest position on the field at the HS level is CB. Especially when you play a team that has any kind of coordination 'tween QB and receivers... And I would say thay 7 on 7 will just keep making that coordination get better and better.

[Gobbla2001]

Originally posted by slpybear the bullfan
The spread is alive and well in High School. And it will continue to prosper as long as you have 15, 16, 17, and 18 y.o. high school kiddos back there trying to play cornerback or safety.

I have said it as long as I have been on the board.... Toughest position on the field at the HS level is CB. Especially when you play a team that has any kind of coordination 'tween QB and receivers... And I would say thay 7 on 7 will just keep making that coordination get better and better.

7 on 7 doesn't help your defensive backs with coverage or something?

[slpybear the bullfan]

It does... but it just makes WRs and QBs that much better.

Let me put it another way... If you take 4 or 5 tall fast kids and have them run routes every play, and all of them know where the qb will put the ball, each and every time.... then you are expecting miracles in finding 5 or 6 kids to cover in most HS talent pools today.

I have been able to watch a lot of spread teams and games played. And when you have a decent crop of atheletes on your offense, you will be hard pressed to stop them. Not that you can't and it doesn't happen... but it is very hard to do.

BTW, I believe good running offenses are just as deadly... I just think you are better suited in most HS's to defend it.

[Gobbla2001]

Originally posted by slpybear the bullfan
It does... but it just makes WRs and QBs that much better.

Let me put it another way... If you take 4 or 5 tall fast kids and have them run routes every play, and all of them know where the qb will put the ball, each and every time.... then you are expecting miracles in finding 5 or 6 kids to cover in most HS talent pools today.

I have been able to watch a lot of spread teams and games played. And when you have a decent crop of atheletes on your offense, you will be hard pressed to stop them. Not that you can't and it doesn't happen... but it is very hard to do.

BTW, I believe good running offenses are just as deadly... I just think you are better suited in most HS's to defend it.

I see your point, but when you play against teams that DO have athletes that can suit up and play in the secondary against a spread it is harder TODAY than it was yesterday for it to be as successful...

[maestro]

the spread offense must have a quarterback that is a threat to run....

a straight drop back passer does not put stress on the defense....

this is not a tech thread...but my two cents worth is that tech's qb has to be at LEAST a threat to scramble and run.

think, and i know that this is getting old, vince young.....

or now a days....florida university.....or even dare i say, the aggies at college station......MOBILE quarterbacks make the spread go!!

want to really stop the spread o??

ask dumont at rice consold.

does a super job!!

[bulldogman06]

you think cb is the hardest position in high school football? what about D-end? all the reads you have to make, plus you sometimes drop into coverage, and sometimes you have the flats, its like playing both DT and LB. most people i have heard have agreed that at the high school level, DE is the toughest

[slpybear the bullfan]

I agree that it is harder to play DE than it used to be... but I still believe, (if you play against the spread or big air it out teams) that CB is the toughest position. I have seen many a young man out on that island get "taken to church" all night long.

[bulldogman06]

yea, maybe if you are playin the spread, but out of the teams we usually played only 2 or 3 teams used the spread, and one of them was us. playing DE against LH would be a nightmare