charlesrixey
10-05-2006, 05:52 PM
This is a reposting of something put on the Pig
How entertaining it is to listen to arguments about whether or not Tatum would beat Celina!
Regardless of whether or not they could, it is an argument i have heard before.
Last year, the average score being thrown around by media and fans alike for the state final was 45-12 for OPP. It seems to me that East Texas really doesn't have any faith in any team from another region beating their top teams.
How ironic that this has happened before.
Aren't we supposed to learn from history so that we may not repeat the same mistakes?
In 1995, we heard the same about Alto, and also in 1998 and 1999 about Elysian Fields, even though we had beaten them 21-0 the year before and returned our entire team! JBC, the padilla poll and DCTF all had picked against the bobcats.
And again, in 2000, there was NO WAY celina would win against Mart, the best 2A team ever, despite the 40 game win-streak the Bobcats carried into the game, and having beaten the Panthers just 3 years before, by virtually the same score. Granted, they were both two different teams then, and each had gone on to rediculous 3-year spans, but the principle remains the same. The Bobcats would not only win that game (the best-contested game i have ever seen) but would not lose for two more years, in the 3A playoffs against the Semifinalist Daingerfield by a missed extra point with eight seconds left.
Noticing a historical precedent?
Let's just glean a few more nuggets from the passage of time.
In EVERY state championship the Celina Bobcats have played against, they have overcome a Region 3 opponent to win (with the exception of the co-championship shared with Big Sandy, the only non-win for that team from 1973-1975-the 75' team set a national record for scoring with future NFL player Overstreet and coach Lovie Smithm now of the Chicago Bears. The result of that game was a 0-0 tie).
In every game, there has been an established star player who dominated opponents and who opposing fans JUST KNEW would run or pass all of over Celina.
1974- Overstreet (obviously didn't do too much)
1995- Hackney (outscored by Jarrod Martin)
1998- Chris Harris (less than 100 meaningless yards in a shutout from a 3,000 yard rusher)
1999- Chris Harris (more of the same, with a touchdown with minutes left in a 38-0 game)
2000-Quan Cosby (truly an awesome performance with 190 yards and 2 TD's on the ground, but outdone in total yards by Adam Herrin, Celina QB, who had 150 yards rushing and 200 yards passing as well as touchdowns both ways)
2001-Delbert Davis, who wasn't even the most celebrated of the players on his team, did have a gutsy performance but was shut down in the fourth quarter)
2005-Jesse? Harrison (defensive/offensve player of the year in 2A, held to less than 100 yards of offense, despite a great defensive performance)
As we can see, it takes more than a great running back/ground game to beat Celina in a state championship game.
In fact, i'm not sure what it does take, since it has never happened.
Celina would have been favored against the 3A DII champion in 1999, 2000 and 2005, and probably would have been even against Wimberley last year. They scored 803 points and game up less than four per game and still have a good team this year, although not as good as last year. It remains to be seen how far Celina can make it this year. But before i listen to any more talk about how Tatum would dominate Celina if they met in the finals, i would only ask them to show me the precedent-show me something other than wasted talk on a message board.
How entertaining it is to listen to arguments about whether or not Tatum would beat Celina!
Regardless of whether or not they could, it is an argument i have heard before.
Last year, the average score being thrown around by media and fans alike for the state final was 45-12 for OPP. It seems to me that East Texas really doesn't have any faith in any team from another region beating their top teams.
How ironic that this has happened before.
Aren't we supposed to learn from history so that we may not repeat the same mistakes?
In 1995, we heard the same about Alto, and also in 1998 and 1999 about Elysian Fields, even though we had beaten them 21-0 the year before and returned our entire team! JBC, the padilla poll and DCTF all had picked against the bobcats.
And again, in 2000, there was NO WAY celina would win against Mart, the best 2A team ever, despite the 40 game win-streak the Bobcats carried into the game, and having beaten the Panthers just 3 years before, by virtually the same score. Granted, they were both two different teams then, and each had gone on to rediculous 3-year spans, but the principle remains the same. The Bobcats would not only win that game (the best-contested game i have ever seen) but would not lose for two more years, in the 3A playoffs against the Semifinalist Daingerfield by a missed extra point with eight seconds left.
Noticing a historical precedent?
Let's just glean a few more nuggets from the passage of time.
In EVERY state championship the Celina Bobcats have played against, they have overcome a Region 3 opponent to win (with the exception of the co-championship shared with Big Sandy, the only non-win for that team from 1973-1975-the 75' team set a national record for scoring with future NFL player Overstreet and coach Lovie Smithm now of the Chicago Bears. The result of that game was a 0-0 tie).
In every game, there has been an established star player who dominated opponents and who opposing fans JUST KNEW would run or pass all of over Celina.
1974- Overstreet (obviously didn't do too much)
1995- Hackney (outscored by Jarrod Martin)
1998- Chris Harris (less than 100 meaningless yards in a shutout from a 3,000 yard rusher)
1999- Chris Harris (more of the same, with a touchdown with minutes left in a 38-0 game)
2000-Quan Cosby (truly an awesome performance with 190 yards and 2 TD's on the ground, but outdone in total yards by Adam Herrin, Celina QB, who had 150 yards rushing and 200 yards passing as well as touchdowns both ways)
2001-Delbert Davis, who wasn't even the most celebrated of the players on his team, did have a gutsy performance but was shut down in the fourth quarter)
2005-Jesse? Harrison (defensive/offensve player of the year in 2A, held to less than 100 yards of offense, despite a great defensive performance)
As we can see, it takes more than a great running back/ground game to beat Celina in a state championship game.
In fact, i'm not sure what it does take, since it has never happened.
Celina would have been favored against the 3A DII champion in 1999, 2000 and 2005, and probably would have been even against Wimberley last year. They scored 803 points and game up less than four per game and still have a good team this year, although not as good as last year. It remains to be seen how far Celina can make it this year. But before i listen to any more talk about how Tatum would dominate Celina if they met in the finals, i would only ask them to show me the precedent-show me something other than wasted talk on a message board.