How will the Longhorns end up this season?

[texas'10]

Even with the loss to Ohio State, how will Texas fair the rest of the season?

[FormerBellvilleBrahma]

How will the longhorns end this season?
With a home loss by the AGGIES!!!

[Bull19]

I FORSEE I TIE IN THEIR FINAL GAME,,BET ON IT

[texas'10]

A loss by the aggies, wow

[FormerBellvilleBrahma]

You dont think the Aggies can beat Mack and his horns?

[RdaleBoi08]

Ok Be foreal now, you think the aggies can actually beat Texas when they could barely handle Army?...

[texas'10]

Thank You, there is no need to reply to ridiculous comments.

[RdaleBoi08]

But Hey least Aggies Always Have Confidence That They Will Beat Texas Every Year lol

[texas'10]

True, if you don't have confidence in yourself, how can you expect to get anything done.

[injuredinmelee]

Originally posted by RdaleBoi08
But Hey least Aggies Always Have Confidence That They Will Beat Texas Every Year lol

confidence yes but tell them to try and be realistic with it... lol

[AggieJohn]

Originally posted by RdaleBoi08
Ok Be foreal now, you think the aggies can actually beat Texas when they could barely handle Army?... yes because all teams handle weak teams the same way........

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by FormerBellvilleBrahma
How will the longhorns end this season?
With a home loss by the AGGIES!!! :rolleyes:

[awizzy]

hey just look what happened last year...texas had one of the best teams probally in the past ten years and A&M gave them a tuff game UT just blew it open at the end...with these two teams anythang could happen u gotta throw the records out the door....with that being said...ut has a good chance of running the table including the last regular season game at home against the aggies...and ut could get a bcs bid

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

They will lose to Texas A&M.

[Old Tiger]

lol.....NO GARY YOUR BRAIN WASHED I TELL YA BRAIN WASHED!!! LOL.



You and Robert like switched ways. That's funny.

[AggieJohn]

back to the topic:

10-2

don't have VY this year to lead you to come back from that one game that you undoubtedly will get far behind on.........

[BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END]

Yeah, I have some old Longhorn apparel that I'm debating on whether or not I should throw on the bonfire. :D

[Old Tiger]

YOU DO IT YOU WILL DIE!!!!:eek:



Dude sell it on Ebay and make easy money :D

[manormustangs]

they will be 11-1 playing west virgina in the sugar bowl....

ohio state and usc in the national championship game.

[WestTXLonghorn]

Originally posted by AggieJohn
back to the topic:

10-2

don't have VY this year to lead you to come back from that one game that you undoubtedly will get far behind on.........

Who are we going to get far behind on with our defense who is holding opponents to an average of 24 yards a game rushing?

Stevie Hicks and Brent Meyer were supposed to be some wicked dual threat running the ball and they had all of 46 yards on the ground.

We might get behind. . .but we're never going to get FAR behind. Also, other than maybe Nebraska there aren't too many stellar passing teams on our schedule here on out.

[big daddy russ]

One loss in the regular season, Big XII champs.

There's no other team in the conference that's even close to their level. And yes, that includes Nebraska.

[Emerson1]

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/4428/652aa9ab3d4b46fab212da555a916a30qo3.jpg

hmmm

[Eagle 1]

9-3.

[Emerson1]

With a loss to tech I'm sure.

[KTJ]

Originally posted by manormustangs
they will be 11-1 playing west virgina in the sugar bowl....

ohio state and usc in the national championship game.


If Texas wins out, which is a 95% chance they will at this point, they'd be going to the Fiesta Bowl, not the Sugar Bowl.


Big 12 tie in = Fiesta.

[tigerpride_08]

horns will go 10-1...

[NDFootball]

Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn
Who are we going to get far behind on with our defense who is holding opponents to an average of 24 yards a game rushing?

Stevie Hicks and Brent Meyer were supposed to be some wicked dual threat running the ball and they had all of 46 yards on the ground.

We might get behind. . .but we're never going to get FAR behind. Also, other than maybe Nebraska there aren't too many stellar passing teams on our schedule here on out.

Yes they really appeared to be a "wicked" dual threat.

Next we'll hear Rice is a BCS team.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by NDFootball
Yes they really appeared to be a "wicked" dual threat.

Next we'll hear Rice is a BCS team. Um....stfu?

[coach]

i say 10-2 a tad bit overrated mcoy is still lost and there secondary is weaker than most people wpould believe

[sweetwater07]

who cares...everyone knows A&M is the best!!!

[NDFootball]

Originally posted by Tiger WR
Um....stfu?

Nice comeback! :clap:

[WestTXLonghorn]

Originally posted by NDFootball
Yes they really appeared to be a "wicked" dual threat.

Next we'll hear Rice is a BCS team.

Yeah. . .more of a threat than ole' white boy Drew Stanton, I can tell ya that.

Next we'll hear Michigan State has a chance to win the Big 10 and deserves to be in the Top 25.:rolleyes:

I forgot tho. . .NDFootball knows more than coaches, sportswriters, and everyone else who talked up Stevie Hicks and Brent Meyer.....

[WestTXLonghorn]

Originally posted by coach
i say 10-2 a tad bit overrated mcoy is still lost and there secondary is weaker than most people wpould believe

And maybe you were lost in English class?;)

[KTJ]

Originally posted by coach
i say 10-2 a tad bit overrated mcoy is still lost and there secondary is weaker than most people wpould believe

Okay.

Then tell us who you think UT will lose to. Because the Big 12 this year isn't exactly the SEC or Big 10. (Which, actually, will hurt Texas.)

[NDFootball]

Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn


I forgot tho. . .NDFootball knows more than coaches, sportswriters, and everyone else who talked up Stevie Hicks and Brent Meyer.....

Now you're getting the picture. :clap:

Now try to follow me on this one. You say GT sucks. The coaches, sportswriters, etc. talked about how much of a threat Reggie Ball and Calvin Johnson were. Hmmmm same thing maybe? They could be saying that you know, to get people to actually watch the game, instead of them just flat out saying "UT will dominate this game." Ratings boost=more money. Coincedence? Probably not. :thinking: What do I know though WestTXLonghorn is obviously the front runner for the next ESPN sports analyst opening.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by NDFootball
Now you're getting the picture. :clap:

Now try to follow me on this one. You say GT sucks. The coaches, sportswriters, etc. talked about how much of a threat Reggie Ball and Calvin Johnson were. Hmmmm same thing maybe? They could be saying that you know, to get people to actually watch the game, instead of them just flat out saying "UT will dominate this game." Ratings boost=more money. Coincedence? Probably not. :thinking: What do I know though WestTXLonghorn is obviously the front runner for the next ESPN sports analyst opening. Iowa State would beat GT by 10

[coach]

ummm well nebraska is tough and ou could do it and you never know what will happen in the aggie game

[Old Tiger]

Nebraska - Tough as butter
OU - Could but not likely. Texas is too god against the run
A&M - :evillol: Don't make me laugh

[coach]

Originally posted by Tiger WR
Nebraska - Tough as butter
OU - Could but not likely. Texas is too god against the run
A&M - :evillol: Don't make me laugh


tell me why cant nebraska or a&m do it...who is you qb? and whats wrong with the secondary

[Old Tiger]

I'm just trying to get post.


Nebraska - Nebraska is over hyped
A&M - because seriously it's A&M

[coach]

u still didnt answer my question

[Old Tiger]

The QB is Colt McCoy.


I don't play for them I don't know what's going on in the secondary.

[texas'10]

Originally posted by Tiger WR
The QB is Colt McCoy.


I don't play for them I don't know what's going wrong in the secondary.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[coach]

what has mcoy done he hasnt proved himself and to answer my own question the secondary is ot as strong as people thought they would be...im not ryin to diss texas they are a good team but this is no nc year i mean i would give anything for the ags to have 10-2 record if i were you i wuldnt be complaining

[Old Tiger]

When the freshmen class this year come into their own they are going to have a badass secondary. Robert Joseph, Deon Beasley, and Chykie Brown. You saw what they did together in the THSCA all-star game.

[texas'10]

Originally posted by coach
what has mcoy done he hasnt proved himself and to answer my own question the secondary is ot as strong as people thought they would be...im not ryin to diss texas they are a good team but this is no nc year i mean i would give anything for the ags to have 10-2 record if i were you i wuldnt be complaining


What hasn't mcoy proved, who else will texas go with? There is Jevan Sneed, but Colt must have proved himself to be better.

[Old Tiger]

What can you really prove in your first year starting?

His touchdown to interception ratio isn't to bad.

[coach]

first of all im not bashing the secondary the probably WILL be good but not this year remember the question was how will t.u. do this year not when those guys come togather. and second thats agaisnt highschool players there is a little difference.....

[Old Tiger]

Colt McCoy
Passing Stats
YEAR TEAM CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2006 TEX 56 82 68.3 668 8.1 8 60 2 164.0

Rushing Stats
YEAR TEAM ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2006 TEX 19 59 3.1 27 1 0 0

[coach]

Originally posted by texas'10
What hasn't mcoy proved, who else will texas go with? There is Jevan Sneed, but Colt must have proved himself to be better.

he hasnt he played like crap against osu i understand it is the num one team in the nation so i will give you that one and your right they dont have anyone else thats why i say 10-2 bc he aint that good yet but like i said he and they will get better yall know they always do

[texas'10]

of the interceptions he has thrown this year, how many were actually his fault, i know the one in the ohio state game was the reciever's fault.

[Old Tiger]

He is almost at Rhett Bomar's 10 TD total for his freshmen year. With a fifth the interceptions.

[texas'10]

Originally posted by coach
he hasnt he played like crap against osu i understand it is the num one team in the nation so i will give you that one and your right they dont have anyone else thats why i say 10-2 bc he aint that good yet but like i said he and they will get better yall know they always do

youre right they will get better

[coach]

Originally posted by Tiger WR
Colt McCoy
Passing Stats
YEAR TEAM CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2006 TEX 56 82 68.3 668 8.1 8 60 2 164.0

Rushing Stats
YEAR TEAM ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2006 TEX 19 59 3.1 27 1 0 0

they played rice and north texas and iowa state and next week sam houston my little brother could put up those numbers and he is 11 years old and has one arm

[Old Tiger]

I noticed you said "TU" earlier which leads me to believe that you're a fAGGIE. So I will pull this card on you too. Who has A&M played? That's right weaker teams than Texas.

[texas'10]

Originally posted by coach
they played rice and north texas and iowa state and next week sam houston my little brother could put up those numbers and he is 11 years old and has one arm

lol, you have a point, but now the question is, did UT intend to have an easy non-c schedule?

[coach]

thats right t.u for texas university or teasipper come one what are we in third grade and we arent talkin about aggies scheduele we all know thats weeker than cat piss im just tryin to prove my point acroos you stubburn longhorns that yall will go 10-2 i guess yall didnt realize how good vy was bc with out him yall arent as good as yall think yall were . that just shows how good he really was but this year is a year to find out wat yall got and maybe next year or the next return back to nc contenders

[coach]

Originally posted by texas'10
lol, you have a point, but now the question is, did UT intend to have an easy non-c schedule?


hell i dont know?

[texas'10]

i may have missed your earlier post, but who will texas lose to?

[texas'10]

i meant, did they intend to have an easy schedule in order to 1) improve vince's stats for heisman, but since that is not the case 2) get a freshman quarterback ready for college football

[coach]

Originally posted by texas'10
i may have missed your earlier post, but who will texas lose to?

i said maybe nebraska ou and possibly a&m seriously they are do dont ya think

[coach]

Originally posted by texas'10
i meant, did they intend to have an easy schedule in order to 1) improve vince's stats for heisman, but since that is not the case 2) get a freshman quarterback ready for college football

ya good point.. what do u think there year will end up like?

[texas'10]

if any of them i would say oklahoma, but i am still going with the longhorns

[texas'10]

I see aggie fans getting excited because that game may be a little closer than what we want. Overall i hope 11-1 but ur prediction of 10-2 is probably a better bet

[WestTXLonghorn]

Originally posted by NDFootball
Now you're getting the picture. :clap:

Now try to follow me on this one. You say GT sucks. The coaches, sportswriters, etc. talked about how much of a threat Reggie Ball and Calvin Johnson were. Hmmmm same thing maybe? They could be saying that you know, to get people to actually watch the game, instead of them just flat out saying "UT will dominate this game." Ratings boost=more money. Coincedence? Probably not. :thinking: What do I know though WestTXLonghorn is obviously the front runner for the next ESPN sports analyst opening.

Actually I can go and pull up the thread where I said GT was a MEDIOCRE team and that Calvin Johnson was really their only threat, thus they wouldn't be in the Top 25. I never said they flat out sucked.

I'm obviously the front runner for winning the "Owned NDFootball more than anyone on this board" award.

[texas'10]

You are both correct, Calvin Johnson is a major threat.

[WestTXLonghorn]

Umm. . .THIS is why people at UT think Colt is at least an ok QB. No one is making him out to be a Vince Young, but these stats aren't bad for a redshirt freshman.

Colt McCoy 56 82 668 68.3 8.15 8 2 164.0

I'm guessing if Greg Davis would open the offense up for him some his numbers would be even better. Of course his real test comes in 2 weeks against OU. He'll have had plenty of experience by that game and OU has a pretty good D and it'll be a rivalry game. If he chokes then we'll know he still needs work. If he plays great then we go 11-1 and still have a shot at the natty title.

[texas'10]

Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn
Umm. . .THIS is why people at UT think Colt is at least an ok QB. No one is making him out to be a Vince Young, but these stats aren't bad for a redshirt freshman.

Colt McCoy 56 82 668 68.3 8.15 8 2 164.0

I'm guessing if Greg Davis would open the offense up for him some his numbers would be even better. Of course his real test comes in 2 weeks against OU. He'll have had plenty of experience by that game and OU has a pretty good D and it'll be a rivalry game. If he chokes then we'll know he still needs work. If he plays great then we go 11-1 and still have a shot at the natty title.

:clap: :clap:

[NDFootball]

Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn
Actually I can go and pull up the thread where I said GT was a MEDIOCRE team and that Calvin Johnson was really their only threat, thus they wouldn't be in the Top 25. I never said they flat out sucked.

I'm obviously the front runner for winning the "Owned NDFootball more than anyone on this board" award.

LOL own me?

The only thing you've ever done when you try to diss ND is make yourself look like a moron. Your posts make no sense whatsoever. I guess every team ND plays is mediocre and every team UT plays is BCS worthy? You say they play weak teams like service academies, Michigan St. , and GT but if those teams played UT's schedule of UNT, Rice, and Baylor (I'll stop there I don't want to make UT's schedule look TOO weak), they'd look amazing. Nowhere have I said ND was Nat'l Championship quality this year. All I've said is that Texas isn't. Ya'll have already gotten beat once and you still run your mouth about how good ya'll supposedly are. When does it end?

So I'd say it's kind of hard to own somebody when you can't even have an intelligent conversation about college football, homer.

[NDFootball]

Originally posted by coach
thats right t.u for texas university or teasipper come one what are we in third grade and we arent talkin about aggies scheduele we all know thats weeker than cat piss im just tryin to prove my point acroos you stubburn longhorns that yall will go 10-2 i guess yall didnt realize how good vy was bc with out him yall arent as good as yall think yall were . that just shows how good he really was but this year is a year to find out wat yall got and maybe next year or the next return back to nc contenders

PREACH :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[texas'10]

That is just it, it doesn't end, if it did, we would not have anything to talk about. Go Horns!!!

[coach]

Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn
Umm. . .THIS is why people at UT think Colt is at least an ok QB. No one is making him out to be a Vince Young, but these stats aren't bad for a redshirt freshman.

Colt McCoy 56 82 668 68.3 8.15 8 2 164.0

I'm guessing if Greg Davis would open the offense up for him some his numbers would be even better. Of course his real test comes in 2 weeks against OU. He'll have had plenty of experience by that game and OU has a pretty good D and it'll be a rivalry game. If he chokes then we'll know he still needs work. If he plays great then we go 11-1 and still have a shot at the natty title.

maybe 11-1 but no natty title osu wont be beat and there are too many good teams ahead of texas this year is where the BCS hurts texas

[NDFootball]

Originally posted by texas'10
That is just it, it doesn't end, if it did, we would not have anything to talk about. Go Horns!!!

Lol ok I'll go with that.

Except the Go Horns part ;)

[texas'10]

I think osu could lose, unlikely but possible, I would like to see Auburn in the Championship

[texas'10]

Originally posted by NDFootball
Lol ok I'll go with that.

Except the Go Horns part ;)

LOL :)

[big daddy russ]

I'm just gonna make a list, because there's way too much circling in my brain right now...


1. Nebraska is on the A&M/Tech level. They've been hyped as much as A&M was last year, but they haven't shown me much of anything except an alright (though nothing spectacular) defense. Therefore, the only way I'll believe they have a legit shot at UT (even when UT's only bringing their "B" game) is if Mel Gibson dons a yarmulka and a conspiracy that Gary Coleman was 6' tall all along is unearthed.


2. Georgia Tech plays in the ACC. That automatically makes them better than any team in the Big XII this side of the 'Horns. But if you want to get into the specifics, I can do specifics.

Calvin Johnson is easily one of the top two receivers in the country and Reggie Ball may be the top playmaker in the ACC. Going one step farther, Ball has progressed every year since taking the reigns at GT and is the main reason GT has a decent shot at making a second-tier bowl game (Capitol One, Holiday, Cotton, Peach, etc--- those are second-tier bowls).

Last year was Ball's breakout season, and even though nobody seems to be talking about it, he's doing even better this year. Reminds me of another former Jacket QB, Joe Hamilton.

Back to the specifics, Ball's always been a great athlete with a cannon, but now that he's put it all together he's no longer a liability on the field.

Furthermore, look at GT's schedule. They hung in there with a ND squad that beat the piss out of then-19th-ranked Penn State, which brings me to my next point...


3. ...For everyone who says that ND is overrated, that's one of the most retarted things I've heard. Their biggest problem is that they're not playing with any intensity until the second half of games. Look at every game they've played with the exception of Penn State.

Flat in the first half against GT. Flat in the first half against Michigan. Flat in the first half against MSU.

With GT and MSU, they had enough horses to either stay or get back into striking distance, but when they played a team that was almost on their level it bit them in the butt harder than Jenna Jameson.


4. And who said that Michigan State sucked? Do you follow any football outside the Big XII? At all???

For those who've never heard of him, Drew Stanton (the MSU QB) is a darkhorse for Heisman (he had some momentum last year, too), is on the list for the Maxwell Award (nation's best offensive player), and was the Big Ten's Second-Team preseason QB. First team was Troy Smith, for anyone who wanted to know.

He's the most accurate passer in Spartan history and is the Big Ten's top returning passer. He already has a win over Notre Dame (last year in OT) and took both Michigan and Penn State the distance. And yeah, it was all Stanton. He's that guy who can beat a team by himself.

Sure, their defense is shaky, but the Spartan offense alone (read-- Drew Stanton) will get them to a bowl game. Most likely the Alamo Bowl, where they'll demolish some Big XII patsy.


5. Finally, I hate UT as much as the next guy, but Colt McCoy's not the reason they lost to tOSU. He went 19-32, and even though he only passed for 152 yards that's all Greg Davis was asking him to do.... to soften up to the Buckeye defense with short passes.

Almost 60% completion rate with UT's only TD isn't bad, and he wasn't the reason most of their drives stalled. And like someone else said, that INT that he threw was the receiver's fault.

They're still gelling as a team and will be dangerous when the season comes to a close, and I'd be willing to bet that McCoy will wind up being one of their best weapons.



Felt good to get that off my chest.

[WestTXLonghorn]

Originally posted by NDFootball
LOL own me?

The only thing you've ever done when you try to diss ND is make yourself look like a moron. Your posts make no sense whatsoever. I guess every team ND plays is mediocre and every team UT plays is BCS worthy? You say they play weak teams like service academies, Michigan St. , and GT but if those teams played UT's schedule of UNT, Rice, and Baylor (I'll stop there I don't want to make UT's schedule look TOO weak), they'd look amazing. Nowhere have I said ND was Nat'l Championship quality this year. All I've said is that Texas isn't. Ya'll have already gotten beat once and you still run your mouth about how good ya'll supposedly are. When does it end?

So I'd say it's kind of hard to own somebody when you can't even have an intelligent conversation about college football, homer.

When have you ever used facts to back up your delusional arguments? It all boils down to "Nuh-uh!" and "No way! We ARE good!" whine cry moan tear.

We've been scheduling N. Texas FOREVER. Every team has an easy first game except the crappy teams who play those first games against elite competition and the Miami vs. FSU game which only recently switched to the first game of the year. See. . .ND was SUPPOSED to roll GT like they were nothin'. That's why GT got scheduled for the first game of the season. Whoops...

Ohio State. Yes, we had the #1 team for our second game of the year. Can't argue with that.

Rice. We've been scheduling Rice FOREVER because they are an old SWC foe and we have a lot of ties to them. I'd like to see us play some worthy competition, but the alumni usually have a lot of say in these things.

Sam Houston State University. This is the 1st time in FOURTEEN years Texas has scheduled a D-1AA team in OOC. As has been shown by myself and others plenty of times. . .we didn't want this football game. The BCS made everyone slot in another game this year. . .we had to schedule on short notice and we called up 70+ schools and said come get some. We got turned down.

Sorry, but dissing on ND doesn't make me look like a moron. . .but you trying to act like they're a legit Top 10 team or something does make YOU look like one.

Fact: ND, for all their wonderful schedule this year beat TWO. . .count 'em. . .TWO teams with winning records last year. Oh. . .but West!!! They played USC close!!! Whine cry moan. ND's whole ego boost last year came from a loss. . .how sad.

Fact: ND undeservedly got into the Fiesta Bowl.

Fact: They got rolled in said Fiesta Bowl. Why? Because they didn't deserve to be there. . .

Fact: ND didn't deserve to be ranked anywhere near the Top 5 this year.

Fact: They went ahead and saved everyone the effort of BSing for their team and they got rolled @ home by Michigan.

You're more than welcome to your shoddy opinion. Say the Longhorns stink. . .aren't worthy of the title game or whatever. . .big deal, get in line. But please. . .PLEASE quit acting so self-righteous and pretending that the team you so fanatically love is worth our time.

And please. . .go find some stats to back up said shoddy opinions. Any schmuck can rant and rave about his position and not provide any evidence to support it or shoot the other guy down. Take some time and back up your convictions.

Oh yeah. . .and Stay Classy San Diego.

[NDFootball]

Originally posted by big daddy russ
I'm just gonna make a list, because there's way too much circling in my brain right now...


1. Nebraska is on the A&M/Tech level. They've been hyped as much as A&M was last year, but they haven't shown me much of anything except an alright (though nothing spectacular) defense. Therefore, the only way I'll believe they have a legit shot at UT (even when UT's only bringing their "B" game) is if Mel Gibson dons a yarmulka and a conspiracy that Gary Coleman was 6' tall all along is unearthed.


2. Georgia Tech plays in the ACC. That automatically makes them better than any team in the Big XII this side of the 'Horns. But if you want to get into the specifics, I can do specifics.

Calvin Johnson is easily one of the top two receivers in the country and Reggie Ball may be the top playmaker in the ACC. Going one step farther, Ball has progressed every year since taking the reigns at GT and is the main reason GT has a decent shot at making a second-tier bowl game (Capitol One, Holiday, Cotton, Peach, etc--- those are second-tier bowls).

Last year was Ball's breakout season, and even though nobody seems to be talking about it, he's doing even better this year. Reminds me of another former Jacket QB, Joe Hamilton.

Back to the specifics, Ball's always been a great athlete with a cannon, but now that he's put it all together he's no longer a liability on the field.

Furthermore, look at GT's schedule. They hung in there with a ND squad that beat the piss out of then-19th-ranked Penn State, which brings me to my next point...


3. ...For everyone who says that ND is overrated, that's one of the most retarted things I've heard. Their biggest problem is that they're not playing with any intensity until the second half of games. Look at every game they've played with the exception of Penn State.

Flat in the first half against GT. Flat in the first half against Michigan. Flat in the first half against MSU.

With GT and MSU, they had enough horses to either stay or get back into striking distance, but when they played a team that was almost on their level it bit them in the butt harder than Jenna Jameson.


4. And who said that Michigan State sucked? Do you follow any football outside the Big XII? At all???

For those who've never heard of him, Drew Stanton (the MSU QB) is a darkhorse for Heisman (he had some momentum last year, too), is on the list for the Maxwell Award (nation's best offensive player), and was the Big Ten's Second-Team preseason QB. First team was Troy Smith, for anyone who wanted to know.

He's the most accurate passer in Spartan history and is the Big Ten's top returning passer. He already has a win over Notre Dame (last year in OT) and took both Michigan and Penn State the distance. And yeah, it was all Stanton. He's that guy who can beat a team by himself.

Sure, their defense is shaky, but the Spartan offense alone (read-- Drew Stanton) will get them to a bowl game. Most likely the Alamo Bowl, where they'll demolish some Big XII patsy.


5. Finally, I hate UT as much as the next guy, but Colt McCoy's not the reason they lost to tOSU. He went 19-32, and even though he only passed for 152 yards that's all Greg Davis was asking him to do.... to soften up to the Buckeye defense with short passes.

Almost 60% completion rate with UT's only TD isn't bad, and he wasn't the reason most of their drives stalled. And like someone else said, that INT that he threw was the receiver's fault.

They're still gelling as a team and will be dangerous when the season comes to a close, and I'd be willing to bet that McCoy will wind up being one of their best weapons.



Felt good to get that off my chest.

In short...

you're awesome :clap: :clap:

Good call, I wish there were more people like you and less homers.

[KTJ]

bigdaddyruss said: Finally, I hate UT as much as the next guy,

Why? :confused:



Rice. We've been scheduling Rice FOREVER because they are an old SWC foe and we have a lot of ties to them. I'd like to see us play some worthy competition, but the alumni usually have a lot of say in these things.

We schedule Rice for the recruiting/alumni in Houston and that's really the only reason. The almuni have no say so in the scheduling at all. Why would they? If they did, we'd be playing Georgia, Florida, or Tennessee type teams every year.




Sam Houston State University. This is the 1st time in FOURTEEN years Texas has scheduled a D-1AA team in OOC. As has been shown by myself and others plenty of times. . .we didn't want this football game. The BCS made everyone slot in another game this year. . .we had to schedule on short notice and we called up 70+ schools and said come get some. We got turned down.


See, that's the thing. We DIDN'T have to schedule this game. There are still teams out there with a bye week--Oklahoma, USC, etc.--but DeLoss scheduled this game for $$$$$ only. Mack didn't want to play this game and if you ask him that, he'll tell you. We only did it for the $$$$ to help pay some of the cost of the renovations/expansions.



Fact: ND undeservedly got into the Fiesta Bowl.

I'm not a ND fan and I want them to lose every game they play, but they actually deserved that Fiesta Bowl trip. And personally, I'm glad they went because they got monkeystomped on national TV. And I watched the whole thing in the Sportsbook at the MGM.


Fact: ND didn't deserve to be ranked anywhere near the Top 5 this year.

I actually agree with this. They weren't a top 5 team, yet people have them in the NC game by association. This is one of the reasons people hate ND. They win a few games and they're automatically a NC contender. Why does the media do this?




And no, Texas shouldn't even be thinking about the MNC game. If people are still thinking that, I feel sorry for them. I am fine with us winning the Big 12 and going to a BCS game. THOSE should be our goals. If something happens and the crap falls in the right place and we make it back to the MNC game, I will be as happy, as drunk, and as excited as the next person. But to keep saying, at this point, that we still have a shot is stupid and borders on idiotic.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn
Umm. . .THIS is why people at UT think Colt is at least an ok QB. No one is making him out to be a Vince Young, but these stats aren't bad for a redshirt freshman.

Colt McCoy 56 82 668 68.3 8.15 8 2 164.0

I'm guessing if Greg Davis would open the offense up for him some his numbers would be even better. Of course his real test comes in 2 weeks against OU. He'll have had plenty of experience by that game and OU has a pretty good D and it'll be a rivalry game. If he chokes then we'll know he still needs work. If he plays great then we go 11-1 and still have a shot at the natty title. Speaking of which! I read somewhere that Texas is going to start using more 4 and 5 wide sets.

[Old Tiger]

Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn
When have you ever used facts to back up your delusional arguments? It all boils down to "Nuh-uh!" and "No way! We ARE good!" whine cry moan tear.

We've been scheduling N. Texas FOREVER. Every team has an easy first game except the crappy teams who play those first games against elite competition and the Miami vs. FSU game which only recently switched to the first game of the year. See. . .ND was SUPPOSED to roll GT like they were nothin'. That's why GT got scheduled for the first game of the season. Whoops...

Ohio State. Yes, we had the #1 team for our second game of the year. Can't argue with that.

Rice. We've been scheduling Rice FOREVER because they are an old SWC foe and we have a lot of ties to them. I'd like to see us play some worthy competition, but the alumni usually have a lot of say in these things.

Sam Houston State University. This is the 1st time in FOURTEEN years Texas has scheduled a D-1AA team in OOC. As has been shown by myself and others plenty of times. . .we didn't want this football game. The BCS made everyone slot in another game this year. . .we had to schedule on short notice and we called up 70+ schools and said come get some. We got turned down.

Sorry, but dissing on ND doesn't make me look like a moron. . .but you trying to act like they're a legit Top 10 team or something does make YOU look like one.

Fact: ND, for all their wonderful schedule this year beat TWO. . .count 'em. . .TWO teams with winning records last year. Oh. . .but West!!! They played USC close!!! Whine cry moan. ND's whole ego boost last year came from a loss. . .how sad.

Fact: ND undeservedly got into the Fiesta Bowl.

Fact: They got rolled in said Fiesta Bowl. Why? Because they didn't deserve to be there. . .

Fact: ND didn't deserve to be ranked anywhere near the Top 5 this year.

Fact: They went ahead and saved everyone the effort of BSing for their team and they got rolled @ home by Michigan.

You're more than welcome to your shoddy opinion. Say the Longhorns stink. . .aren't worthy of the title game or whatever. . .big deal, get in line. But please. . .PLEASE quit acting so self-righteous and pretending that the team you so fanatically love is worth our time.

And please. . .go find some stats to back up said shoddy opinions. Any schmuck can rant and rave about his position and not provide any evidence to support it or shoot the other guy down. Take some time and back up your convictions.

Oh yeah. . .and Stay Classy San Diego. TCU should have went to the Fiesta Bowl last year.

[WestTXLonghorn]

Originally posted by big daddy russ
I'm just gonna make a list, because there's way too much circling in my brain right now...


1. Nebraska is on the A&M/Tech level. They've been hyped as much as A&M was last year, but they haven't shown me much of anything except an alright (though nothing spectacular) defense. Therefore, the only way I'll believe they have a legit shot at UT (even when UT's only bringing their "B" game) is if Mel Gibson dons a yarmulka and a conspiracy that Gary Coleman was 6' tall all along is unearthed.


2. Georgia Tech plays in the ACC. That automatically makes them better than any team in the Big XII this side of the 'Horns. But if you want to get into the specifics, I can do specifics.

Calvin Johnson is easily one of the top two receivers in the country and Reggie Ball may be the top playmaker in the ACC. Going one step farther, Ball has progressed every year since taking the reigns at GT and is the main reason GT has a decent shot at making a second-tier bowl game (Capitol One, Holiday, Cotton, Peach, etc--- those are second-tier bowls).

Last year was Ball's breakout season, and even though nobody seems to be talking about it, he's doing even better this year. Reminds me of another former Jacket QB, Joe Hamilton.

Back to the specifics, Ball's always been a great athlete with a cannon, but now that he's put it all together he's no longer a liability on the field.

Furthermore, look at GT's schedule. They hung in there with a ND squad that beat the piss out of then-19th-ranked Penn State, which brings me to my next point...


3. ...For everyone who says that ND is overrated, that's one of the most retarted things I've heard. Their biggest problem is that they're not playing with any intensity until the second half of games. Look at every game they've played with the exception of Penn State.

Flat in the first half against GT. Flat in the first half against Michigan. Flat in the first half against MSU.

With GT and MSU, they had enough horses to either stay or get back into striking distance, but when they played a team that was almost on their level it bit them in the butt harder than Jenna Jameson.


4. And who said that Michigan State sucked? Do you follow any football outside the Big XII? At all???

For those who've never heard of him, Drew Stanton (the MSU QB) is a darkhorse for Heisman (he had some momentum last year, too), is on the list for the Maxwell Award (nation's best offensive player), and was the Big Ten's Second-Team preseason QB. First team was Troy Smith, for anyone who wanted to know.

He's the most accurate passer in Spartan history and is the Big Ten's top returning passer. He already has a win over Notre Dame (last year in OT) and took both Michigan and Penn State the distance. And yeah, it was all Stanton. He's that guy who can beat a team by himself.

Sure, their defense is shaky, but the Spartan offense alone (read-- Drew Stanton) will get them to a bowl game. Most likely the Alamo Bowl, where they'll demolish some Big XII patsy.


5. Finally, I hate UT as much as the next guy, but Colt McCoy's not the reason they lost to tOSU. He went 19-32, and even though he only passed for 152 yards that's all Greg Davis was asking him to do.... to soften up to the Buckeye defense with short passes.

Almost 60% completion rate with UT's only TD isn't bad, and he wasn't the reason most of their drives stalled. And like someone else said, that INT that he threw was the receiver's fault.

They're still gelling as a team and will be dangerous when the season comes to a close, and I'd be willing to bet that McCoy will wind up being one of their best weapons.



Felt good to get that off my chest.

Yes. GT is a decent football team. They are nowhere near great. You just said Reggie Ball was this great playmaker. . .yet him and Calvin Johnson couldn't get anything done against ND when Michigan and Mich St. put up HUGE numbers/points on them.

The ACC is not a very good conference this year. Want me to prove it?

BC. . .played two overtime games and barely won them both and then lost to a weak NC State squad.

Duke, Marlyland, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Virginia, and Wake Forest stink year in and year out. . .but especially this year.

Virginia Tech we don't know much about yet other than that Cincinatti gave them a helluva ball game. Might be pretty good.

Miami. . .normally a powerhouse. . .this year they stink. Louisville took their lunch money and gave them a swirly.

Florida State. Normally a powerhouse. . .this year they have no offense. Beat Troy by a touchdown and lost to Clemson.

I'm not saying the Big 12 is great by any stretch. . .but the ACC is a joke and GT STILL won't win it. And oh yeah. . .Penn State is not good this year by any stretch of the imagination. Where are they ranked right now? Exactly.

Ok. . .what were your other points. Oh yeah! Drew Stanton is NOT a Heisman darkhorse. I haven't heard that anywhere and I keep up with it fairly well. If Michigan State and Drew Stanton or so good why haven't they had a winning season since 2003? They've only won 11 games the past two seasons and the majority of those wins are over cupcakes. . .except for their win over ND last year. . .still probably a cupcake win tho.;)

Let's just say for argument's sake that Michigan State is some really good football team and that Drew Stanton IS a darkhorse Heisman candidate. If you deserve to be ranked in the Top 10 or wherever ND fans think they deserve to be. . .you should MURDER this football team. There shouldn't have to be some heroic comeback in the 4th quarter to beat these guys.

Your other major point was that ND should get some leeway or something because they've been coming out "flat" early in football games. Uh. . .ok. They've got Fat "I've won 3 Super Bowls" Charlie leading them and they're coming out flat? What does that say about their football team? Great teams play great and win. There's no excuses. UT isn't "great" yet because we didn't play great when it mattered against tOSU. We made mistakes and played not to lose and we lost. Same with ND.

You are correct about Nebraska and ATM tho. Both aren't very good yet.

I just don't see why people think we're going to lose another ball game. OU will be tough but their strength is Adrian Peterson and that's it. Our strength is run defense. . .we've seen Adrian plenty before and I know he'll get some yards, but when he's all they have it's going to be tough. I also don't see OU stopping our run game or OU's secondary stopping Colt from making plays.

Past OU who on on schedule is really up to task? Nebraska will be interesting because it's in Lincoln. . .but that's it. Like's been said. . .the Big 12 is down this year pretty bad. Tech looks shaky. . .ATM hasn't played a legit team yet. . .Baylor isn't there yet. . .

I think we're an outside shot at the title game and most likely in the #2 BCS game right behind the championship. A lot of teams ahead of us play each other which will move us on up the ladder.

EDIT: If KTJ thinks it is idiotic to know the rankings. . .know the matchups and whose going to lose to whom. . .and to have calculated our chances at the title game and realize it is still a very good possibility. . .well, he's entitled to his opinion.

[NDFootball]

Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn
When have you ever used facts to back up your delusional arguments? It all boils down to "Nuh-uh!" and "No way! We ARE good!" whine cry moan tear.

We've been scheduling N. Texas FOREVER. Every team has an easy first game except the crappy teams who play those first games against elite competition and the Miami vs. FSU game which only recently switched to the first game of the year. See. . .ND was SUPPOSED to roll GT like they were nothin'. That's why GT got scheduled for the first game of the season. Whoops...

Ohio State. Yes, we had the #1 team for our second game of the year. Can't argue with that.

Rice. We've been scheduling Rice FOREVER because they are an old SWC foe and we have a lot of ties to them. I'd like to see us play some worthy competition, but the alumni usually have a lot of say in these things.

Sam Houston State University. This is the 1st time in FOURTEEN years Texas has scheduled a D-1AA team in OOC. As has been shown by myself and others plenty of times. . .we didn't want this football game. The BCS made everyone slot in another game this year. . .we had to schedule on short notice and we called up 70+ schools and said come get some. We got turned down.

Sorry, but dissing on ND doesn't make me look like a moron. . .but you trying to act like they're a legit Top 10 team or something does make YOU look like one.



Where in any of that did you have any facts?? No I never said the Longhorns stink, they're nowhere near as good as you make them out to be though. Again, I don't recall trying to make ND look like a top 10 team either. I think that's just you trying to make yourself look more intelligent, sorry didn't work. What's more, I'm sure you are just so close with who supposedly scheduled the game with a D-1AA team. I guess you were in the room when all those teams turned UT down? Because they are just so intimidating with VY gone. Who did you call exactly, Yale or Youngstown State? Just another case of a team trying to pad their stats. As far as Rice goes, yeah I'm sure the alums do want that game so they don't get embarrased by worthy competition.

Okay now look carefully. Where did I put anything about ND should be a top 10 team????? Putting words in my mouth won't make you look any less stupid.

[Old Tiger]

Could we please shorten up our post. My eyes are starting to hurt. Thank you!

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by KTJ
Why? :confused:
Ex-girlfriend. She was a good girl, moved to Austin, got hopped up on coke, left me for a tranny, and now works the corner of 7th and 35. ;)

But seriously, just one of the college teams I've come to hate. The more you hate a college team, the more their fans give you reason to hate them. (It's the same way with people who hate Tech, A&M, Bama, Auburn, and everyone else.) There are always a few jacka$$es who find out you're not their biggest fan, rub you the wrong way, and give you more of a reason to dislike said team.

My first experience was visiting an old HS buddy up there right around '99. I went there thinking about transferring because they have the number two journalism program in the nation. I went to a football game up in DKR with an Auburn shirt on, and a few of the kids in the student section started talking mess.

That turned me off in the first place, but not enough to start disliking them. Then when I moved up to College Station, they all came out of the woodworks. My girl and I went to 6th Street for Halloween my first year in CS (2003) and I got in a fight when a guy I had never seen or talked to before overheard where I was from.

He called me a female body part. I laid him out. And I never even said I was a fan of the Ags.

That was the year I really started liking A&M and hating UT, but this hate is only bone deep, man. My hatred for Bama runs straight to the heart.

[Old Tiger]

You can't hate a team like Auburn.

[WestTXLonghorn]

Originally posted by big daddy russ
Ex-girlfriend. She was a good girl, moved to Austin, got hopped up on coke, left me for a tranny, and now works the corner of 7th and 35. ;)

But seriously, just one of the college teams I've come to hate. The more you hate a college team, the more their fans give you reason to hate them. (It's the same way with people who hate Tech, A&M, Bama, Auburn, and everyone else.) There are always a few jacka$$es who find out you're not their biggest fan, rub you the wrong way, and give you more of a reason to dislike said team.

My first experience was visiting an old HS buddy up there right around '99. I went there thinking about transferring because they have the number two journalism program in the nation. I went to a football game up in DKR with an Auburn shirt on, and a few of the kids in the student section started talking mess.

That turned me off in the first place, but not enough to start disliking them. Then when I moved up to College Station, they all came out of the woodworks. My girl and I went to 6th Street for Halloween my first year in CS (2003) and I got in a fight when a guy I had never seen or talked to before overheard where I was from.

He called me a female body part. I laid him out. And I never even said I was a fan of the Ags.

That was the year I really started liking A&M and hating UT, but this hate is only bone deep, man. My hatred for Bama runs straight to the heart.

No to start stuff, but it kind of seems like you and your attitude are the problem. Fans heckle other fans at EVERY football game across the nation. Also. . .you KNOW you're going to be sitting in the student section and yet you wear an Auburn shirt anyway?

Then you're getting into fights on 6th street? So what if a guy calls you a P****. . .be a man and keep walking. If he said it to your girl then that's completely different. . .

I've had plenty of experiences with fans from other teams and I just play it cool and things usually work out fine. When I get ticked I just vent on places like this.:)

[WestTXLonghorn]

Originally posted by NDFootball
Where in any of that did you have any facts?? No I never said the Longhorns stink, they're nowhere near as good as you make them out to be though. Again, I don't recall trying to make ND look like a top 10 team either. I think that's just you trying to make yourself look more intelligent, sorry didn't work. What's more, I'm sure you are just so close with who supposedly scheduled the game with a D-1AA team. I guess you were in the room when all those teams turned UT down? Because they are just so intimidating with VY gone. Who did you call exactly, Yale or Youngstown State? Just another case of a team trying to pad their stats. As far as Rice goes, yeah I'm sure the alums do want that game so they don't get embarrased by worthy competition.

Okay now look carefully. Where did I put anything about ND should be a top 10 team????? Putting words in my mouth won't make you look any less stupid.

Yeah. . .the Longhorns are SO known for trying to pad their stats. That's why last year we pulled Vince at halftime or 1 series into the 3rd quarter even when he was in a race for the Heisman. Seriously, tell your mommie to cut you off from the computer.

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O_O So many Irish haters here.

It's all good though...hating won't stop them from winning a national title this year. (Let's see how many people I can get riled up with that .)

The Irish will roll tonight

My prediction

ND 49
GT 17

And that's if the defense doesn't show any improvement from last year.

I'm looking forward to seeing ND's freshman OT Sam Young. (6'8, 302)

THAT was a stellar prediction.

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quote:Originally posted by bulldogman06
He is a boxer, he won his first fight this offseason. i thought a collegiate athlete couldnt get paid to do any professional sports. how did he do that?



you just can't be paid for endorsements...sports are ok



btw

ND 35

UM 21

The Irish defense will probably not look as impressive as the last couple of weeks...Georgia Tech and Penn State were jokes on offense. ND has had Coach Carr's number as of late however and he is 0-3 on the road against ND.

GO IRISH

Wow. Another great one. You're on a roll hoss.

BUT. . .you got me. You never said that ND was a Top 10 team. You just ACTED like it and picked them for the natty title like every other casual football fan at the start of the season. Congrats.

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn
Duke, Marlyland, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Virginia, and Wake Forest stink year in and year out. . .but especially this year.
Maryland doesn't stink year-in, year-out. They've had two bad years since 2001.


Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn
Virginia Tech we don't know much about yet other than that Cincinatti gave them a helluva ball game. Might be pretty good.

Miami. . .normally a powerhouse. . .this year they stink. Louisville took their lunch money and gave them a swirly.

Florida State. Normally a powerhouse. . .this year they have no offense. Beat Troy by a touchdown and lost to Clemson.

I'm not saying the Big 12 is great by any stretch. . .but the ACC is a joke and GT STILL won't win it. And oh yeah. . .Penn State is not good this year by any stretch of the imagination. Where are they ranked right now? Exactly.
Everyone has bad games. UT had bad a game against Okie State last year. USC had bad games the year before. It doesn't make them any less of a team.

Oh, and Louisville's underrated right now, too. With or without Bush.

And you're right, GT still won't win it. But the ACC has more elite teams (3) than the Big XII. VT, Florida State, and MIAMI. Miami came out flat against Louisville, got what they deserved. They'll do what they did last year and finish strong. Just like the Longhorns will do this year.


Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn
Ok. . .what were your other points. Oh yeah! Drew Stanton is NOT a Heisman darkhorse. I haven't heard that anywhere and I keep up with it fairly well. If Michigan State and Drew Stanton or so good why haven't they had a winning season since 2003? They've only won 11 games the past two seasons and the majority of those wins are over cupcakes. . .except for their win over ND last year. . .still probably a cupcake win tho.;)
You need to keep up better.

Scroll down to the MSU/Idaho preview (http://slog.cstv.com/offprompter/2006/08/pick_em_amsinger_pick_em.html)

Ranked #8 by this guy (http://www.ncsports.com/articles/heismantrophy.html)

Listed in the "watch out for" section by Fox Sports (http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/jaycarmel81/2006/09/11/Five_plus_one_for_the_Heisman)


Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn
Let's just say for argument's sake that Michigan State is some really good football team and that Drew Stanton IS a darkhorse Heisman candidate. If you deserve to be ranked in the Top 10 or wherever ND fans think they deserve to be. . .you should MURDER this football team. There shouldn't have to be some heroic comeback in the 4th quarter to beat these guys.
Did I say MSU is some really good football team, or do you need glasses?

And back to "you should murder this team" argument, why doesn't anyone on this board accept that good teams have bad nights? I'll keep going back to UT/Okie State, but you can say the same thing for Cal two years ago (against Tech in the Holiday Bowl), OU vs. USC/Kansas State, USC last year against Fresno State, and the list goes on and on.

Fact of the matter: anyone can beat anyone else on any given Saturday.


Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn
Your other major point was that ND should get some leeway or something because they've been coming out "flat" early in football games. Uh. . .ok. They've got Fat "I've won 3 Super Bowls" Charlie leading them and they're coming out flat? What does that say about their football team? Great teams play great and win. There's no excuses. UT isn't "great" yet because we didn't play great when it mattered against tOSU. We made mistakes and played not to lose and we lost. Same with ND.

You are correct about Nebraska and ATM tho. Both aren't very good yet.
By your definition, there are very few "great" football teams out there. By your definition, there have been some national champions that weren't "great."

My definition of great is a team that is on the same level as the top ten teams in the country. If you could hang with UT, USC, Auburn, or Ohio State game-in, game-out, then you're a "great" team in my book.

Remember, there's a difference between an "all-time great" and a "great" team. With a "great" team, we're comparing just the teams that are playing this very minute. With an "all-time great," we're comparing the cream of the crop.


Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn
I just don't see why people think we're going to lose another ball game. OU will be tough but their strength is Adrian Peterson and that's it. Our strength is run defense. . .we've seen Adrian plenty before and I know he'll get some yards, but when he's all they have it's going to be tough. I also don't see OU stopping our run game or OU's secondary stopping Colt from making plays.

Past OU who on on schedule is really up to task? Nebraska will be interesting because it's in Lincoln. . .but that's it. Like's been said. . .the Big 12 is down this year pretty bad. Tech looks shaky. . .ATM hasn't played a legit team yet. . .Baylor isn't there yet. . .

I think we're an outside shot at the title game and most likely in the #2 BCS game right behind the championship. A lot of teams ahead of us play each other which will move us on up the ladder.
No, you won't have problems with OU and yes, you do have an outside shot at the NC game. I never said you didn't. I said that UT goes 11-1 and plays in the Fiesta Bowl. I may not like UT, but I don't let my bias cloud my better judgment.

[KTJ]

Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn


EDIT: If KTJ thinks it is idiotic to know the rankings. . .know the matchups and whose going to lose to whom. . .and to have calculated our chances at the title game and realize it is still a very good possibility. . .well, he's entitled to his opinion.


I never said it wasn't possible for us to make it back to the MNC game. It's just not probable.

We shouldn't even be thinking about repeating at this point. Let's win the Big 12 and just get back to a BCS game. That would do nothing but keep us established as one of college football's Elite teams. 3 BCS Bowls in 3 straight years....possibly 3 straight wins too.

I'll take a Big 12 title and Fiesta Bowl bid this year. I'd be happy with that.

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn
No to start stuff, but it kind of seems like you and your attitude are the problem. Fans heckle other fans at EVERY football game across the nation. Also. . .you KNOW you're going to be sitting in the student section and yet you wear an Auburn shirt anyway?

Then you're getting into fights on 6th street? So what if a guy calls you a P****. . .be a man and keep walking. If he said it to your girl then that's completely different. . .

I've had plenty of experiences with fans from other teams and I just play it cool and things usually work out fine. When I get ticked I just vent on places like this.:)
You weren't playing Auburn. It's an orange shirt and you were playing K-State. You trying to justify what they did?

Yeah, having a coke thrown at me and getting messed with wasn't fun, but that's what I love about college football. As crappy as the fans were, I had a good time at the game.

And for future reference, here's what I said.


Originally posted by big daddy russ
The more you hate a college team, the more their fans give you reason to hate them... There are always a few jacka$$es who find out you're not their biggest fan, rub you the wrong way, and give you more of a reason to dislike said team....

That turned me off in the first place, but not enough to start disliking them....

My girl and I went to 6th Street for Halloween my first year in CS (2003) and I got in a fight when a guy I had never seen or talked to before overheard where I was from....
I didn't officially hate UT until the whole 6th Street ordeal. Hell, I even acknowledged that I still liked them. But after that, I started seeing all the jacka$$es (like I said earlier) and that's something everyone does. Longhorns think that Aggies are "mindless wanna-be pricks who like to draw swords on cheerleaders," Ags think Tech fans are "drunk redneck pricks." It's a vicious cycle. Doesn't mean that they all act like that, it's just that the pricks stand out above the rest.

And it was more than just that guy, that was just the specific point in time that I started hating UT. His buddies were trying to egg me and my buddy on before that, and another group before that. That's how he overheard I was living in CS.

They hadn't given me a reason to do anything yet, but when he came out and said it I wasn't about to let them think that I'd back down. Common sense tells you that that's the worst thing you can do standing in the back of a bar, with 10-15 guys getting their beer nerves up to pick a fight standing between you and the door.

So you're absolutely right. I'm not man enough to walk away from somebody who's trying to start something. If someone's trying to back me into a corner, I'd rather get out of there through one of them than through 15. We just have different opinions of how to handle situations.

[KTJ]

So those few people who messed with you on 6th street make you hate and have a generalization of the entire fan base and school?

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by KTJ
So those few people who messed with you on 6th street make you hate and have a generalization of the entire fan base and school?
Yup.

I don't hold any grudges against those guys. I just started going to Aggie games, developed a fondness for A&M, and a reason to dislike UT was on the table. The same reason tons of people start hating other teams.

My buddies O.D., Jimmy, and Grady (UT alums I used to visit all the time) hated Ags more than anything, with Sooners and Tecchies not far behind. My ex-roomie (a Tecchie at heart-- originally from Lubbock but displaced at A&M) and aunts hate A&M. I know hate is such a strong word, I'm just not PC enough to care. You hate OU and (even though I've never seen you admit it) A&M deep down. I hate Bama and UT.

I know it sounds like I'm a raging madman talking about fighting and all, but it's not like that. I don't hold any grudges and don't fight 'just because.' It was just a reason to dislike a team, and that's all you need in the world of college ball.

Doesn't mean that everyone at UT is like that. My future sister-in-law is an undergrad in Austin, and some of my best friends from HS are UT dropouts.

OK, so they made it through after five or six years, but I still love 'em.

[NDFootball]

Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn


Wow. Another great one. You're on a roll hoss.

BUT. . .you got me. You never said that ND was a Top 10 team. You just ACTED like it and picked them for the natty title like every other casual football fan at the start of the season. Congrats.

Wait...didn't you do that? Sorry I might be mistaken I'm probably catching the idiot from you.

Oh and the mom thing. I'll try to pencil that in, thanks for the reminder. :rolleyes:

[Old Tiger]

Hm....



WHY CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG!!!!!!!!! :mad:

[WestTXLonghorn]

Originally posted by NDFootball
Wait...didn't you do that? Sorry I might be mistaken I'm probably catching the idiot from you.

Oh and the mom thing. I'll try to pencil that in, thanks for the reminder. :rolleyes:

Please do.

You're a fool and you and everyone else knows it.

[WestTXLonghorn]

Originally posted by big daddy russ

Everyone has bad games. UT had bad a game against Okie State last year. USC had bad games the year before. It doesn't make them any less of a team.

And back to "you should murder this team" argument, why doesn't anyone on this board accept that good teams have bad nights? I'll keep going back to UT/Okie State, but you can say the same thing for Cal two years ago (against Tech in the Holiday Bowl), OU vs. USC/Kansas State, USC last year against Fresno State, and the list goes on and on.

Fact of the matter: anyone can beat anyone else on any given Saturday.


By your definition, there are very few "great" football teams out there. By your definition, there have been some national champions that weren't "great."

My definition of great is a team that is on the same level as the top ten teams in the country. If you could hang with UT, USC, Auburn, or Ohio State game-in, game-out, then you're a "great" team in my book.

Remember, there's a difference between an "all-time great" and a "great" team. With a "great" team, we're comparing just the teams that are playing this very minute. With an "all-time great," we're comparing the cream of the crop.


No, you won't have problems with OU and yes, you do have an outside shot at the NC game. I never said you didn't. I said that UT goes 11-1 and plays in the Fiesta Bowl. I may not like UT, but I don't let my bias cloud my better judgment.

Ok. . .let me address these points seperately.

First. . .Drew Stanton can be put on some Fox Sports list or picked by 1 of the hundreds to thousands of sports writers out there. . .but it doesn't make him a darkhorse candidate. It makes him a silly pick probably used to stir up arguments like this one and get ratings.

Wasn't Drew Stanton the one that wasn't able to hold on to the starting job the past couple of years because of issues on and off the field? The kid is a good QB. He won't even sniff the Heisman tho. I can almost guarantee you he won't even receive a single 4th or 5th place vote.

Now. . .to what you said about great teams having off days. Of course this happens! I get my panties in a wad every single time we play Okie Lite because they almost always sneak up on us and get ahead big. However, lets look at ND's situation. They had a game against an ok GT team that they SHOULD have rolled and it was a dogfight to the end. They then whooped up on a lame duck Penn State squad. They then got rolled at home by Michigan. They then had to have a miracle comeback against Michigan State, a mediocre football team.

Great teams may have 1 bad game in there somewhere. . .they may struggle for a half or a quarter or football. Great teams don't barely squeak out wins in half their games and then get blown out in another to start the season. USC had a bunch of tough games last season. . .but they pulled them all out and were done by the 4th quarter except for ND last year and Fresno State.

Seriously, I would just as soon forget about Notre Shame and their squad except for the fact that they'll end up stealing some deserving teams spot in a BCS game. Especially this year with all the parity in football. There are going to be a LOT of 1 loss and 2 loss teams that are VERY good and ND who will have 2 losses will probably leapfrog all of these teams just because of their hype. It gets old, you know?

[KTJ]

Originally posted by big daddy russ
Yup.

I don't hold any grudges against those guys. I just started going to Aggie games, developed a fondness for A&M, and a reason to dislike UT was on the table. The same reason tons of people start hating other teams.

My buddies O.D., Jimmy, and Grady (UT alums I used to visit all the time) hated Ags more than anything, with Sooners and Tecchies not far behind. My ex-roomie (a Tecchie at heart-- originally from Lubbock but displaced at A&M) and aunts hate A&M. I know hate is such a strong word, I'm just not PC enough to care. You hate OU and (even though I've never seen you admit it) A&M deep down. I hate Bama and UT.

I know it sounds like I'm a raging madman talking about fighting and all, but it's not like that. I don't hold any grudges and don't fight 'just because.' It was just a reason to dislike a team, and that's all you need in the world of college ball.

Doesn't mean that everyone at UT is like that. My future sister-in-law is an undergrad in Austin, and some of my best friends from HS are UT dropouts.

OK, so they made it through after five or six years, but I still love 'em.



So should I judge the entire body, alumni, school, and fans over the few bad instances I've encountered with A&M fans?

I hate, HATE, HATE, HATE, HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATEEEE Oklahoma.

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn
Ok. . .let me address these points seperately.

First. . .Drew Stanton can be put on some Fox Sports list or picked by 1 of the hundreds to thousands of sports writers out there. . .but it doesn't make him a darkhorse candidate. It makes him a silly pick probably used to stir up arguments like this one and get ratings.

Wasn't Drew Stanton the one that wasn't able to hold on to the starting job the past couple of years because of issues on and off the field? The kid is a good QB. He won't even sniff the Heisman tho. I can almost guarantee you he won't even receive a single 4th or 5th place vote.

Now. . .to what you said about great teams having off days. Of course this happens! I get my panties in a wad every single time we play Okie Lite because they almost always sneak up on us and get ahead big. However, lets look at ND's situation. They had a game against an ok GT team that they SHOULD have rolled and it was a dogfight to the end. They then whooped up on a lame duck Penn State squad. They then got rolled at home by Michigan. They then had to have a miracle comeback against Michigan State, a mediocre football team.

Great teams may have 1 bad game in there somewhere. . .they may struggle for a half or a quarter or football. Great teams don't barely squeak out wins in half their games and then get blown out in another to start the season. USC had a bunch of tough games last season. . .but they pulled them all out and were done by the 4th quarter except for ND last year and Fresno State.

Seriously, I would just as soon forget about Notre Shame and their squad except for the fact that they'll end up stealing some deserving teams spot in a BCS game. Especially this year with all the parity in football. There are going to be a LOT of 1 loss and 2 loss teams that are VERY good and ND who will have 2 losses will probably leapfrog all of these teams just because of their hype. It gets old, you know?
1. No, that wasn't Drew Stanton. He was two very bad games away from going to New York last year and was top three early in the year in voting.

collegefootballnews.com's MSU preview 2006 (http://cfn.scout.com/2/553533.html)

CFN's Preseason All-Americans-- Stanton ranked 3rd-best QB (http://cfn.scout.com/2/561242.html)

You seem to be the only person who doesn't want to give Stanton the credit he deserves. He's one of the premier passers in the game surrounded by some of the best offensive skill players in the game. His biggest problem is when he forces things. When the offense stagnates, he tries too hard and starts fighting himself. It's what happened against Notre Dame this year and Penn State last year.


2. Why wouldn't he sniff a fourth- or fifth-place vote? If he got fourth- and fifth-place votes last year, why would this year be any different?

No, he doesn't get the pub of a John David Booty or a Troy Smith (especially down here), but he's pretty damned good.


3. Penn State's a lame duck this year? They just gave OSU a better game than UT. Are they lame duck because they lost to two top-three teams?

I'll admit they had an off day against ND. Mistakes in the first half mounted and they couldn't seem to do anything right on offense, but they're still a good team. They're being overlooked, but that's only because of the complete collapse against ND and their 2-2 record. They'll be top 20 by the end of the year.


4. So Michigan back in '97 wasn't great? Most of their games were close, even against (at the time) lowly Iowa. Still, they're considered one of the better teams of recent history. They won a national title and took out six ranked teams in the process.

You're overanalyzing everything and listening to ESPN way too much. If a team loses one game early in the season, ESPN drags that team through the meat grinder, analyzes everything they did wrong, makes them look like a JV team, and forgets about them until they show up at the end of the season with a 10-2 record.


5. Georgia Tech's a solid bowl-bound team. That's all I'm going to say about that.

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by KTJ
So should I judge the entire body, alumni, school, and fans over the few bad instances I've encountered with A&M fans?

I hate, HATE, HATE, HATE, HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATEEEE Oklahoma.
If it makes you happy, why not?

[KTJ]

Originally posted by big daddy russ
If it makes you happy, why not?

So because of some idiotic fan who probably has no connection to the school (not that there's anything wrong with that) tries to start something with you one random day, you hate the entire school and it's fanbase? And that makes you happy?


I'm just trying to get a better understanding, that's all. Not trying to have you "see it my way" or anything. (But I think you know that.)

[WestTXLonghorn]

Originally posted by big daddy russ
1. No, that wasn't Drew Stanton. He was two very bad games away from going to New York last year and was top three early in the year in voting.

collegefootballnews.com's MSU preview 2006 (http://cfn.scout.com/2/553533.html)

CFN's Preseason All-Americans-- Stanton ranked 3rd-best QB (http://cfn.scout.com/2/561242.html)

You seem to be the only person who doesn't want to give Stanton the credit he deserves. He's one of the premier passers in the game surrounded by some of the best offensive skill players in the game. His biggest problem is when he forces things. When the offense stagnates, he tries too hard and starts fighting himself. It's what happened against Notre Dame this year and Penn State last year.


2. Why wouldn't he sniff a fourth- or fifth-place vote? If he got fourth- and fifth-place votes last year, why would this year be any different?

No, he doesn't get the pub of a John David Booty or a Troy Smith (especially down here), but he's pretty damned good.


3. Penn State's a lame duck this year? They just gave OSU a better game than UT. Are they lame duck because they lost to two top-three teams?

I'll admit they had an off day against ND. Mistakes in the first half mounted and they couldn't seem to do anything right on offense, but they're still a good team. They're being overlooked, but that's only because of the complete collapse against ND and their 2-2 record. They'll be top 20 by the end of the year.


4. So Michigan back in '97 wasn't great? Most of their games were close, even against (at the time) lowly Iowa. Still, they're considered one of the better teams of recent history. They won a national title and took out six ranked teams in the process.

You're overanalyzing everything and listening to ESPN way too much. If a team loses one game early in the season, ESPN drags that team through the meat grinder, analyzes everything they did wrong, makes them look like a JV team, and forgets about them until they show up at the end of the season with a 10-2 record.


5. Georgia Tech's a solid bowl-bound team. That's all I'm going to say about that.

See, I was listening to what you had to say and taking it to heart. . .and then you said I listen to ESPN way too much. So I just tuned you out. I hate USCPN with a passion and I don't watch them except when they show football games.

What I will say is. . .yeah, Drew Stanton is a good QB. I already said that. However, his team is mediocre. That was proven with 5 wins last year and 5 wins the year before that. I see them getting 7 or so this year because they played some weak competition to begin the year and they finish up with teams like Indiana and Illinois.

Penn St. and Ohio St. is a rivalry game. Of COURSE that game is going to played harder than normal and yes, Penn St. gave the Bucks a good game. They also didn't fumble on the 2 yrd line to set up the Bucks' first score and many other things.

I don't mind disagreeing on points with you tho because you aren't so blinded by your jealousy and hate of UT that you just run smear campaigns against them. Thanks. I appreciate that.

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by KTJ
So because of some idiotic fan who probably has no connection to the school (not that there's anything wrong with that) tries to start something with you one random day, you hate the entire school and it's fanbase? And that makes you happy?


I'm just trying to get a better understanding, that's all. Not trying to have you "see it my way" or anything. (But I think you know that.)
It was a series of things, and much longer and more involved than that, but that's the basic way it went down. If you want to know the whole story, I can PM it to you, but it's basically a couple of bad experiences mixed with living in College Station.

And the guy in the bar was a Phi Delt there at UT. Him and a few of his buddies had their letters on. The guys at the game were UT students. They all had direct connections to the school and were all representatives of UT. They were just the minority.

Doesn't mean that I hate all UT fans, just their particular institution of higher learning. I don't have a problem in the world with you, Tiger_WR, Emerson, Jason, injuredinmelee, Sinton66, my buddies who went there, and all the other posters on the board. BreckTXLonghorn is one of the coolest guys on this board, IMO. I just choose not to like the team that all of you love.

Like I said earlier, it was just a couple of jacka$$es, not the entire student body. But when you grow up in the middle of the Auburn/Bama rivalry, these things are personal. But that's why I love college football so much more than NFL or HS. The emotion is that much more intense and the atmosphere is unbelievable.

[Eagle 1]

Originally posted by Eagle 1
9-3.
Opps, I forgot their bowl game.

[theyoefnshow]

Originally posted by FormerBellvilleBrahma
How will the longhorns end this season?
With a home loss by the AGGIES!!!

wow. 2nd post. He called it.