Top Ten (nf)

[Underwater Basketweaver]

A co-worker and I were having a debate on the Top Ten or 15 musical artists of all time. There is a slight generational gap involved, but it was an interesting debate. This includes all genres, and does not necessarily have to be by records sold. It should include musical talent.

Here are mine:
1. Rush
2. Van Halen
3. Beatles
4. Elvis Presley
5. Johnny Cash
6. Metallica
7. George Strait
8. Boston
9. AC/DC
10. Chicago
11. BeeGees
12. Garth Brooks
13. Journey
14. Air Supply
15. Neil Diamond

some left out included on my co-workers list: Eagles, Buddy Holly, Hank Williams, Led Zepplin, Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, George Jones, Rolling Stones

[District303aPastPlayer]

Michael Jackson.

[shankbear]

Rush and Neal Diamond. From bad to barf.

Boston, Eagles, Journey, Chicago.

[Underwater Basketweaver]

Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer
Michael Jackson.

That's a good one, that I forgot.

[Underwater Basketweaver]

Originally posted by shankbear
Rush and Neal Diamond. From bad to barf.

Boston, Eagles, Journey, Chicago.

I have to disagree on Rush, they were one of if not the most musicaly talented group ever.

Another one I just thought of was Pink Floyd.

[District303aPastPlayer]

would you put Bon Jovi on the list....

[Underwater Basketweaver]

Not only no, but no

[Adidas410s]

what about a U2 or an Aerosmith type???

And we can't forget about Sinatra, Charles, BB King.

Sinatra - one of the greatest voices in "pop culture,"

Charles - for his ability to perform as well as his ability to cross all borders, whether racial, musical, or whatever else you can think of.

BB King - not only as a talented guitar player...but also for his longevity in the industry. When the world kept changing and trying to push him away...he just kept on playing and drawing in the crowds. You could equate him and Willie Nelson in the same light because "they didn't let time pass them by...even though it tried."

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Underwater Basketweaver
I have to disagree on Rush, they were one of if not the most musicaly talented group ever.

Another one I just thought of was Pink Floyd.

Rush was incredibly talented...and much of that talent laid in the hands of Neil Peart. This man had a bigger kit than anybody else I've ever seen. He made Carter Beauford's setup look like child's play.

http://www.mezzanota.it/55.jpg

Speaking of Beauford...you can also include the DMB as one of the most talented bands ever. Combine Matthew's songwriting and stage presence with some of the most talented players on their respected instruments...WOW!!!

[Underwater Basketweaver]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
Rush was incredibly talented...and much of that talent laid in the hands of Neil Peart. This man had a bigger kit than anybody else I've ever seen. He made Carter Beauford's setup look like child's play.

Neil Peart's solo in, I think it is YYZ, is still one of the greatest I've ever heard.

[District303aPastPlayer]

Tupac Shakur... his words were more poetry than anything.

and U2 should be on the list :)

Fleetwood Mac and CCR :)

[Blastoderm55]

That Neil Pert kit is awesome. Here are some of the ones Mike Portnoy uses. I'll try to find Danny Carey's as well.

http://www.mikeportnoy.com/images/awakekitthumb.jpg

Used for A Change in Seasons

http://www.mikeportnoy.com/images/siamthumb.jpg

Used during recording of new Dream Theater album.

http://www.mikeportnoy.com/images/takitthumb.jpg

Used with Transatlantic.

[Adidas410s]

blast...was it you that also bought Blue Man tickets??? I can't remember...

[Blastoderm55]

Yeah. Got fourth row a bit off center. I'm still waiting to see what Tool plans on doing about last Tuesday's last minute concert postponing. They canceled last night's gig in Madison, and I'm afraid they'll end up doing so to the SA show as well. :(

[oldcrow]

Stevie Ray Vaughn and a bottle of Old Crow! How can you beat that?

[Rabbit'93]

One of my favorite bands is TOOL. Their drummer Danny Carey is awesome. Check out his kit on Danny Carey (http://www.dannycarey.org/page2.html)
Then go to Technology then to present.

[Blastoderm55]

Awesome!

[Ranger Mom]

For some reason, I have NEVER liked Rush!!!

[BullFrog Dad]

Captain and Tennille were 'cutting edge'.

[Cliff Hanger]

Come on UBW, No Zepplin or Skinnard? You were deprived as a child.

[Underwater Basketweaver]

Originally posted by Cliff Hanger
Come on UBW, No Zepplin or Skinnard? You were deprived as a child.

I like them both, I just didn't put them in the list. That is problem with a list like this, after everyone else puts their 2 cents in, you may want to change your own list. I know I did after some people reminded me of some that I forgot.

[theyoefnshow]

SRV, Aerosmith & Guns N Roses should all be in there. And if you wanna say Michael Jackson, you can't forget about Prince!

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Blastoderm55
Yeah. Got fourth row a bit off center. I'm still waiting to see what Tool plans on doing about last Tuesday's last minute concert postponing. They canceled last night's gig in Madison, and I'm afraid they'll end up doing so to the SA show as well. :(

Nice. I was 3rd row in the seats at AAC as close to the stage as I could get (they were $50 instead of $100 for floor seats). Well I put them on eBay with a BIN of $350 and a reserve of $300...6 hours later somebody paid $350 for them. Making $250 more than justified selling them I guess. I wanted to go...but I can't turn down that kind of money right now. I'll catch them in the Spring in Vegas when I can probably swing free tickets through some of the people we are going with! ;) I did see a segment on the DCI broadcast on ESPN talking about how some of the guys in the New York show are ex-DCI guys. Glad to see DCI drummers (some of the most talented all-around guys) moving into other genres of percussion with success.

[griff]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
For some reason, I have NEVER liked Rush!!!

It's OK, RM. It's artistic rock, and it's a guy thing. They are my favorite band of all time.

A few that I would put on the list are Foghat, ZZTop, Thin Lizzy, and especially Bob Seger.

[AggieJohn]

whose rush?

[NateDawg39]

Originally posted by AggieJohn
whose rush? Some early 40's band probably

[griff]

Their best commercially known song was "Tom Sawyer". Their heyday was in the late 70's and throughout the 80's. :p

[AggieJohn]

personally a fan of john mayer, jack johnson and that type



i hate pat green, charlie robinson, kevin fowler and that whole genre of music.....

[griff]

Originally posted by AggieJohn
personally a fan of john mayer, jack johnson and that type


I'm with you on those two.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
For some reason, I have NEVER liked Rush!!!

:eek: :eek: Really??? I love Rush!! Unlike most people, I don't like Tom Sawyer. I mean it's alright, but I prefer alot of their other songs: Limelight, Working Man, Red Barchetta, YYZ, Roll the Bones :D, Freewill, Spirit of Radio, hell I love it all!! :cool:

[SintonFan]

Robin Trower should be on the list.
Click on this link (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=1135859&cart=397114574&BAB=E)
and scroll down to the sample of "Bridge of Sighs" for those of you who forgot about this great rock legend.:cool:

[Highschoolfan78]

umm hello????? Eric clapton.. he's amazing

[griff]

Originally posted by SintonFan
Robin Trower should be on the list.
Click on this link (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=1135859&cart=397114574&BAB=E)
and scroll down to the sample of "Bridge of Sighs" for those of you who forgot about this great rock legend.:cool:

I haven't forgotten him. "Bridge of Sighs" is still to this day the best album Robin Trower ever recorded.

[Brahma73]

1. Journey
2. Boston
3. Peter Frampton
4. Creed
5. Eagles
6. Deep Purple
7. Grand Funk Railroad
8. Yes
9. AC/DC
10. Def Lepard
11. Santana
12. Styx
13. Lynard Skynard
14. Mariah Carey - No voice like that anywhere!
15. Loverboy
16. Kansas
17. Stevie Nix / Supertramp
18. Led Zeppelin
19. Chicago
20. Me

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Brahma73
4. Creed


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Thanks for the good laugh...

[Stownhorse]

What the hecck everyone is forgetting the Texas native Ted Nugent! Been my fav. since the 8th grade with that Stranglehold!(also a great hunter)

[Brahma73]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
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Thanks for the good laugh...

Your welcome! It asked for musical talent, not whether or not you like them!

And don't forget:

Van Halen
Sammy Haggar

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Brahma73
Your welcome! It asked for musical talent, not whether or not you like them!

they have musical talent??? They use the same chord progressions in 80+ % of their songs!!! Their first album was "original." Their second...a re-write of their 1st album. Their 3rd album a combination of the 1st 2 albums. They did a few nifty key changes, changed up the guitar solos and lyrics...and sold a lot of records with the same material.

[SideBurnWillie]

4. Elvis now I like that. :smoker:

[SideBurnWillie]

Boston that was one kick arss concert. :smoker:

[Blastoderm55]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
they have musical talent??? They use the same chord progressions in 80+ % of their songs!!! Their first album was "original." Their second...a re-write of their 1st album. Their 3rd album a combination of the 1st 2 albums. They did a few nifty key changes, changed up the guitar solos and lyrics...and sold a lot of records with the same material.

Sort of like Nickelback. :p With Creed, My Own Prison was a pretty good album. They lost me after that.

[SideBurnWillie]

Back in the day as my kid puts it, REO Speed Wagon rocked! :smoker:

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by SideBurnWillie
Back in the day as my kid puts it, REO Speed Wagon rocked! :smoker:

I loved them!!!

My daughter burned me a CD a few days ago...with REO Speedwagon, BOSTON, Billy Squire, Bad Company, Cheap Trick and April Wine!!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[MHSvarsity2007]

Originally posted by AggieJohn
personally a fan of john mayer...



Originally posted by Adidas410s
Sinatra - one of the greatest voices in "pop culture,"


ah. i love both of them!! :inlove:

[JHS_c/o_06']

I think the world died a little when whoever that was posted Air Supply as one of the 10 greatest of all times.

my list....not that it matters to anyone

1. Guns N' Roses
2. Aerosmith (November 17th will be my 5th time to see them)
3. Led Zeppelin
4. AC/DC
5. System of a Down
6. Red Hot Chili Peppers
7. The Rolling Stones
8. Audioslave
9. Metallica
10. Cowboy Mouth

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
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Thanks for the good laugh...
.
Hey, I like Creed!:tongue: :tongue: :tongue:

[sinton66]

Yall are some strange ducks. D303A is the only one I saw on this thread that mentioned the greatest American band of all, Creedence Clearwater Revival.

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by sinton66
Yall are some strange ducks. D303A is the only one I saw on this thread that mentioned the greatest American band of all, Creedence Clearwater Revival.
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We ALL knew it would come up eventually.:p :D

[ILS1]

1. Beatles & Elvis (tie)
3. Pink Floyd & Metallica (tie)
5. Led Zeppelin
6. Nirvana
7. Van Halen
8. The Eagles
9. Ozzy/Black Sabbath
10. Eric Clapton

Others I'd like to mention,in no particular order:
CCR
Journey
Santana
Def Leppard
Guns N Roses
Billy Joel
Genesis
Green Day
Motley Crue
Pearl Jam
The Police
Prince
REO Speedwagon
Styx
Rod Stewart
The Rolling Stones
SRV
Steve Miller Band
U2
ZZ Top



Was never too crazy about Skynard,Kiss,Nugent and Aerosmith.

[theyoefnshow]

Forgot another AWESOME group. Rage Against the Machine.

[Pmoney]

Originally posted by JHS_c/o_06'
5. System of a Down
you have got to be kidding?:doh:

[oldcrow]

1.Vanilla Ice
2.Stevie Ray Vaughn
3.Temptations
4.Brad Paisly
5.Heart
6.Bad Company
7.Mike Jones
8.Def Leppard
9.Queen
10. Clareance Cater

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by ILS1
1. Beatles & Elvis (tie)
3. Pink Floyd & Metallica (tie)
5. Led Zeppelin
6. Nirvana
7. Van Halen
8. The Eagles
9. Ozzy/Black Sabbath
10. Eric Clapton

Others I'd like to mention,in no particular order:
CCR
Journey
Santana
Def Leppard
Guns N Roses
Billy Joel
Genesis
Green Day
Motley Crue
Pearl Jam
The Police
Prince
REO Speedwagon
Styx
Rod Stewart
The Rolling Stones
SRV
Steve Miller Band
U2
ZZ Top



Was never too crazy about Skynard,Kiss,Nugent and Aerosmith.

:clap: Nice list!! :thumbsup:

[Phantom Stang]

Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band:cool:

[JHS_c/o_06']

Originally posted by Pmoney
you have got to be kidding?:doh:

Have you ever seen then live?

[District303aPastPlayer]

why is it that only bands that produced like rock music are being included...The very first post of this thread said ALL GENRES. I have a hip hop act that no one really talks about... but they are one of the more influential ones ever.


THE ROOTS
Blackthought on the Mic.
?uestlove on the drums, and 3 or 4 others who constantly bring very energizing songs that drive home messages.

[zeus63]

If I missed it I'm sorry, but I saw no love for Creedance Clearwater Revival!! Nothing wrong with a little CCR.

[District303aPastPlayer]

Originally posted by zeus63
If I missed it I'm sorry, but I saw no love for Creedance Clearwater Revival!! Nothing wrong with a little CCR.

check my posts about it. i included them.

[zeus63]

Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer
check my posts about it. i included them.

Sorry.

[Blastoderm55]

Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer

THE ROOTS
Blackthought on the Mic.
?uestlove on the drums, and 3 or 4 others who constantly bring very energizing songs that drive home messages.

Do you like Saul Williams. I've been listening to his stuff a lot since seeing him open for NIN.

[District303aPastPlayer]

gimme a song list real quick

[Underwater Basketweaver]

Originally posted by Pmoney
you have got to be kidding?:doh:

I was thinking the same thing.

[Scholar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLdVkoKNToE

[Hupernikomen]

No Run DMC or Judas Priests??

[ILS1]

If you wanna add hip-hop/rap artists,here's my list:

1. Tupac & NWA (tie)
3. Public Enemy
4. Grandmaster Flash
5. Dr. Dre
6. LL Cool J
7. Sugar Hill Gang (the guys who started it all)
8. Run DMC
9. Eminem
10. Beastie Boys

A few more in no particular order:

EPMD
Kool Moe Dee
Easy E
Rob Base
Jay-Z
Cypress Hill



:D

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by ILS1
If you wanna add hip-hop/rap artists,here's my list:

1. Tupac & NWA (tie)
3. Public Enemy
4. Grandmaster Flash
5. Dr. Dre
6. LL Cool J
7. Sugar Hill Gang (the guys who started it all)
8. Run DMC
9. Eminem
10. Beastie Boys

A few more in no particular order:

EPMD
Kool Moe Dee
Easy E
Rob Base
Jay-Z
Cypress Hill



:D
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Where's Will Smith?:confused:

[Buckeye80]

Different spin, with a bunch of newer bands, but I'll interject mine.
If you're saying musically talented, then I say it's this order:

1) Tool
2) Perfect Circle
3) System of a Down
4) Marilyn Manson
5) Static X
6) White Zombie
7) Type O Negative
8) Powerman 5000
9) Blood Simple
10) Rage Against the Machine

Can't wait for the comments on this one!:D

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by Buckeye80
Different spin, with a bunch of newer bands, but I'll interject mine.
If you're saying musically talented, then I say it's this order:

1) Tool
2) Perfect Circle
3) System of a Down
4) Marilyn Manson
5) Static X
6) White Zombie
7) Type O Negative
8) Powerman 5000
9) Blood Simple
10) Rage Against the Machine

Can't wait for the comments on this one!:D
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Isn't Perfect Circle made up with all PHD musicians?:eek:

[griff]

Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer
why is it that only bands that produced like rock music are being included...The very first post of this thread said ALL GENRES. I have a hip hop act that no one really talks about... but they are one of the more influential ones ever.

THE ROOTS
Blackthought on the Mic.
?uestlove on the drums, and 3 or 4 others who constantly bring very energizing songs that drive home messages.

There's no denying the popularity of hip hop, but that style cannot compare to the music of rock, country, blues, and jazz. Here are a few reasons why. 1) Almost all hip hop music sounds the same - a couple of dudes with a microphone singing catchy lyrics with a computerized drum beat to back them up. I'll admit that the lyrical content is at least sometimes savvy, but 2) too many artists use excessive vulgarities in their brand of hip hop. This puts hip hop in an undesirable category all by itself.

3) In the other genres of music, you see alot of talented MUSICIANS. How many hip hop artists actually play an instrument? Hardly any. This alone creates a huge disparity between the TALENT - not popularity - but TALENT between hip hop and the other styles I mentioned - rock, country, blues, and jazz. 4) Many years from now, I don't think a lot of people will look at hip hop in the same way they view the legends of other musical styles. It's popularity will eventually fade, just like disco from the 70's, techno-pop/new wave of the 80's, and grunge metal of the 90's, whereas rock, country, blues, and jazz will remain commonplace among music lovers worldwide.

Just my two cents...

[Rabbit'93]

Originally posted by Buckeye80
Different spin, with a bunch of newer bands, but I'll interject mine.
If you're saying musically talented, then I say it's this order:

1) Tool
2) Perfect Circle
3) System of a Down
4) Marilyn Manson
5) Static X
6) White Zombie
7) Type O Negative
8) Powerman 5000
9) Blood Simple
10) Rage Against the Machine

Can't wait for the comments on this one!:D Buckeye you have some great bands on there.

I would add
Nine Inch Nails
They are my all time favorite. Trent Reznor is extremely talented in a non traditional way.

[District303aPastPlayer]

Originally posted by griff
There's no denying the popularity of hip hop, but that style cannot compare to the music of rock, country, blues, and jazz. Here are a few reasons why. 1) Almost all hip hop music sounds the same - a couple of dudes with a microphone singing catchy lyrics with a computerized drum beat to back them up. I'll admit that the lyrical content is at least sometimes savvy, but 2) too many artists use excessive vulgarities in their brand of hip hop. This puts hip hop in an undesirable category all by itself.

3) In the other genres of music, you see alot of talented MUSICIANS. How many hip hop artists actually play an instrument? Hardly any. This alone creates a huge disparity between the TALENT - not popularity - but TALENT between hip hop and the other styles I mentioned - rock, country, blues, and jazz. 4) Many years from now, I don't think a lot of people will look at hip hop in the same way they view the legends of other musical styles. It's popularity will eventually fade, just like disco from the 70's, techno-pop/new wave of the 80's, and grunge metal of the 90's, whereas rock, country, blues, and jazz will remain commonplace among music lovers worldwide.

Just my two cents...

Listen to John Legend, Kanye West, and the Roots. if anything, the roots. and people have been saying hip hop music would fade away since 1979 when the Sugar Hill Gang came out with Rappers Delight. Its been almost 30 years... not going to happen.

[Blastoderm55]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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Isn't Perfect Circle made up with all PHD musicians?:eek:

Hmmm. Maybe. You've got Maynard from Tool. Billy, guitar tech from Tool. James Iha from Smashing Pumpkins. Twiggy Ramirez formerly of Marilyn Manson, and some dude on drums. Not sure who he is.

APC is good, but Maynard is the only reason they're even compared to or hold a candle to Tool.

[Blastoderm55]

Originally posted by Buckeye80
Different spin, with a bunch of newer bands, but I'll interject mine.
If you're saying musically talented, then I say it's this order:

1) Tool
2) Perfect Circle
3) System of a Down
4) Marilyn Manson
5) Static X
6) White Zombie
7) Type O Negative
8) Powerman 5000
9) Blood Simple
10) Rage Against the Machine

Can't wait for the comments on this one!:D

1. Agreed
2. Eh, good but not all the great.
3. I'm not that big a fan, but I appreciate their work.
4. No. Brian road Trent's coattails to the top all while producing a generic version of NIN.
5. No. Untalented nu-metal.
6. Love Rob's old outfit, but it was pretty basic speed/thrash metal.
7. Nothing really special there aside from Peter Steele's booming voice.
8. Rob's little bro had a great debut CD, but its been pretty boring mainstream pop rock since.
9. Never heard of them.
10. Definitely belongs higher on your list.

Good list overall, though. :)

[Blastoderm55]

My Top Ten: (order changes dependant on mood)

1. Bright Eyes - Omaha folk music. Great musicianship with vivid image producing lyrics.
2. Nine Inch Nails - Always solid. Nearly two decades of evolution and Reznor still rocks and manages to create mostly all of his music.
3. Tool - Thought provoking lyrics matched with bizarre time changes and shifts. A total attack on your senses.
4. Alice in Chains - The dark band of the grunge days. Likely the most talented as well. Songs like Rooster and their incredible unplugged performance come to mind.
5. Faith No More - Mike Patton and Co. deliver every time. Every album sounds different. These guys are more than just Epic. Way more.
6. Mr. Bungle - Another Patton outfit. Strange. Very strange. But very very good.
7. Spock's Beard - Prog-rock band. Immense content. Songs that go on for days and crisp, clean instrumentation.
8. Rage Against the Machine - Politcal awareness with groove, funk, and beats. The total package.
9. Explosions in the Sky - A Central Texas mainstay, their work on Friday Night Lights was only a glimpse of their talent.
10. Dashboard Confessional - Call me emo if you want, but it takes a lot of talent to strum the way Chris Carabba does, especially in his earlier efforts where it was a one man show. Current backing band isn't all that great and drags him down.

[griff]

Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer
Listen to John Legend, Kanye West, and the Roots. if anything, the roots. and people have been saying hip hop music would fade away since 1979 when the Sugar Hill Gang came out with Rappers Delight. Its been almost 30 years... not going to happen.

Rap didn't begin to catch on until the late 80's. Sugar Hill Gang may have experimented with it in '79, but they didn't make a national impact like rap did with the emergence of Run DMC. You really have to start in the late 80's to mark the beginning of rap's popularity. Hip hop didn't formulate from rap until the early 90's, so it has more of a 10 - 15 year history in it's current form.

Furthermore, hip hop has taken what was once known as rap and dwarfed it into an oversimplified sound. Also, the frequent use of offensive language, violence against women, etc. does not resonate with most people, and it never will. Hip hop contains too much of this. Twenty years from now we won't be talking about hip hop artists in the same vein as the legends of rock, country, jazz, and blues. Again, I'm not denying it's popularity, but hip hop does not have the staying power as other styles. Time will prove this.

[District303aPastPlayer]

Originally posted by griff
Rap didn't begin to catch on until the late 80's. Sugar Hill Gang may have experimented with it in '79, but they didn't make a national impact like rap did with the emergence of Run DMC. You really have to start in the late 80's to mark the beginning of rap's popularity. Hip hop didn't formulate from rap until the early 90's, so it has more of a 10 - 15 year history in it's current form.

Furthermore, hip hop has taken what was once known as rap and dwarfed it into an oversimplified sound. Also, the frequent use of offensive language, violence against women, etc. does not resonate with most people, and it never will. Hip hop contains too much of this. Twenty years from now we won't be talking about hip hop artists in the same vein as the legends of rock, country, jazz, and blues. Again, I'm not denying it's popularity, but hip hop does not have the staying power as other styles. Time will prove this.

i understand what you are saying, but you totally missed something i said. you asked how many of the hip hop artists actually played instruments. Alot more than you would imagine.
The Roots are a Band of Hip Hoppers.
Kanye West plays Piano, Drums, and some guitar.
John Legend is a genius at the keys of a piano.
Lyfe Jennings played the Apollo with only a guitar.
Olu Dara and Nas both play jazz instruments. Nas is Olu Dara's son.
Dr Dre plays piano, has to being a producer.
Mos Def plays some instruments, im not sure what. those are HIP HOP artists.
Rap artists don't play instruments. there IS a difference, to me anyway :)

[Blastoderm55]

Frankly, I don't see hip-hop and rap going anywhere. Its the fastest growing musical genre, and is marketed hand in hand with NFL and NBA. This growth and opportunity should lead to more talented artists who actually have something to say and aren't just in it for a buck.

And as for it all sounding similar, the same could be said of any genre if the statement comes from someone whose ears aren't trained in said genre. I don't listen to country, so when I hear the stuff, I don't have a chance in Hades of telling it apart. Doesn't mean that's the case for the fans of it.

[Hindsight2020]

I can't stand Kanye West. He is the biggest crybaby EVER. I liked rap while in school, but is mostly the same old garbage now.



Originally posted by Buckeye80
Different spin, with a bunch of newer bands, but I'll interject mine.
If you're saying musically talented, then I say it's this order:

1) Tool
2) Perfect Circle
3) System of a Down
4) Marilyn Manson
5) Static X
6) White Zombie
7) Type O Negative
8) Powerman 5000
9) Blood Simple
10) Rage Against the Machine

Can't wait for the comments on this one!:D
Now that is a good list. I would have to add Blink 182 though. And to think, Blink is made up of only 3 people..... Too bad they split up.

I don't like Marilyn Manson's lyrics, but I have to admit, they are clever. I just love their sound.

I almost forgot about Deftones. They belong on this list as well.

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Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer
i understand what you are saying, but you totally missed something i said. you asked how many of the hip hop artists actually played instruments. Alot more than you would imagine.
The Roots are a Band of Hip Hoppers.
Kanye West plays Piano, Drums, and some guitar.
John Legend is a genius at the keys of a piano.
Lyfe Jennings played the Apollo with only a guitar.
Olu Dara and Nas both play jazz instruments. Nas is Olu Dara's son.
Dr Dre plays piano, has to being a producer.
Mos Def plays some instruments, im not sure what. those are HIP HOP artists.
Rap artists don't play instruments. there IS a difference, to me anyway :)

You named some good examples. My point is still this. Sure, hip hop artists can carry a tune and spit out some funky rhymes, but the musical talent isn't comparable. When you look at the hip hop industry as a whole, the majority of the artists do not play instruments, whereas you have many more great instrumentalists in the other music genres. Jazz in particular.


Originally posted by Blastoderm55
Frankly, I don't see hip-hop and rap going anywhere. Its the fastest growing musical genre, and is marketed hand in hand with NFL and NBA. This growth and opportunity should lead to more talented artists who actually have something to say and aren't just in it for a buck.

And as for it all sounding similar, the same could be said of any genre if the statement comes from someone whose ears aren't trained in said genre. I don't listen to country, so when I hear the stuff, I don't have a chance in Hades of telling it apart. Doesn't mean that's the case for the fans of it.

That's only true to a certain extent. When you look at all of the musical styles we've discussed here, hip hop sounds more repetitive than all the others. When you consider rock, you have classic rock, grunge rock, soft rock, Southern rock, dance rock, acoustic rock...the list goes on. With jazz, you have big band, bop, smooth jazz, piano jazz, traditional/New Orleans style jazz, etc. Blues is a style that has influenced many styles in the rock era. Plus, you can consider acoustic blues, country blues, folk blues, harmonica blues, and some earlier styles rooted in Memphis and Chicago. Country music branches out into bluegrass, gospel, outlaw country, country & western, Americana, and traditional country.

With hip hop, you have, well...just hip hop, with a close cousin in rap. By the way, the fastest growing musical genre in all of music is Contemporary Christian Music.

[Buckeye80]

Originally posted by Blastoderm55

4. No. Brian road Trent's coattails to the top all while producing a generic version of NIN.
5. No. Untalented nu-metal.
6. Love Rob's old outfit, but it was pretty basic speed/thrash metal.
7. Nothing really special there aside from Peter Steele's booming voice.
Good list overall, though. :)

4. Musically, I think Brian Warner is genious. The way he achieved star status may be suspect, but I still appreciate the music, and believe him to be a brilliant lyricist.

5. I take great objection to the "untalented" comment. Static X is truly not everyone's "cup of tea", but the talent is irrefutable.

6. Personal favorite......always have loved the originality and the utter lunacy of Rob's lyrics and style.

7. Only Type O could've remade "Summer Breeze", made it rock, and still kept some semblance of the original version of that gay song. ( And Peter Steele's wang should earn respect on its own!):D

[Buckeye80]

And yes!

"Nails" belongs on the list, probably at the "#2" spot. I honestly forgot about them as I came into this thread during the "hip hop" discussion, and could not concentrate due to the nausea.:D