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pirate44
09-14-2006, 09:50 AM
Analyst predicts plunge in gas prices
By Kevin G. Hall

McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — The recent sharp drop in the global price of crude oil could mark the start of a massive sell-off that returns gasoline prices to lows not seen since the late 1990s — perhaps as low as $1.15 a gallon.

"All the hurricane flags are flying" in oil markets, said Philip Verleger, a noted energy consultant who was a lone voice several years ago in warning that oil prices would soar. Now, he says, they appear to be poised for a dramatic plunge.

Crude-oil prices have fallen about $14, or roughly 17 percent, from their July 14 peak of $78.40. After falling seven straight days, they rose slightly Wednesday in trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange, to $63.97, partly in reaction to a government report showing fuel inventories a bit lower than expected. But the overall price drop is expected to continue, and prices could fall much more in the weeks and months ahead.



Seattle Times (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003257679_oilconsumers14.html)

pirate44
09-14-2006, 09:51 AM
on a related note, gas is $2.13 at many stations in and around Corpus Christi.

STANG RED
09-14-2006, 09:52 AM
I'll believe it when I see it, but I sure hope so.

Adidas410s
09-14-2006, 09:52 AM
I found $2.23 in Duncanville this morning. It was $2.15 in Abilene on Tuesday...

AP Panther Fan
09-14-2006, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by STANG RED
I'll believe it when I see it, but I sure hope so.


same here, unfortunately, I don't think the tank of gas I have now can last that long...;)

sweetwater07
09-14-2006, 09:56 AM
i'll believe it when i see it..and then top me off...!!!..gas in sweetwater has dropped but not that much...about $2.46

CHS_CG
09-14-2006, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by sweetwater07
i'll believe it when i see it..and then top me off...!!!..gas in sweetwater has dropped but not that much...about $2.46


same with Caldwell, for some reason we havent dropped as low as everybody else yet!

District303aPastPlayer
09-14-2006, 09:57 AM
2.13 in portland :)

Adidas410s
09-14-2006, 09:58 AM
I saw a station between Cedar Hill and Midlothian with $2.69...and then 1/4 mile down the road it's $2.35!!! :eek: :eek:

TheDOCTORdre
09-14-2006, 09:58 AM
its still like $2.60 in EP

PPHSfan
09-14-2006, 10:05 AM
With the amount of fuel that I buy every day. The money I am saving is nice. I think I might buy my whole section nachos this friday.

wedo
09-14-2006, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by pirate44
Analyst predicts plunge in gas prices
By Kevin G. Hall

McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — The recent sharp drop in the global price of crude oil could mark the start of a massive sell-off that returns gasoline prices to lows not seen since the late 1990s — perhaps as low as $1.15 a gallon.

"All the hurricane flags are flying" in oil markets, said Philip Verleger, a noted energy consultant who was a lone voice several years ago in warning that oil prices would soar. Now, he says, they appear to be poised for a dramatic plunge.

Crude-oil prices have fallen about $14, or roughly 17 percent, from their July 14 peak of $78.40. After falling seven straight days, they rose slightly Wednesday in trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange, to $63.97, partly in reaction to a government report showing fuel inventories a bit lower than expected. But the overall price drop is expected to continue, and prices could fall much more in the weeks and months ahead.



Seattle Times (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003257679_oilconsumers14.html)

If it does drop below $2 it will be back at $3 when spring break and summer comes along!!!

Blastoderm55
09-14-2006, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by wedo
If it does drop below $2 it will be back at $3 when spring break and summer comes along!!!

Or after the mid-term elections. :p

Stownhorse
09-14-2006, 10:50 AM
On Tuesday I saw a Station in Abilene at 2.21.......when I get back home it is frickin 2.61 in S'water and thats 40 miles difference!

kaorder1999
09-14-2006, 10:51 AM
we'll see. i dont believe it

Txbroadcaster
09-14-2006, 10:57 AM
I dont know if it goes that low..but it will prob drop back below the 2.00 mark

Again everyone complains about Big oil companies in America, it is not them, it is the global market setting the prices.

kaorder1999
09-14-2006, 10:59 AM
i dont trust anyone when it comes to high gas prices...I hate the fact that is one town it can be 2.30 and 5 miles away or even less it can be 2.65. That is what makes me mad

PPHSfan
09-14-2006, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by kaorder1999
i dont trust anyone when it comes to high gas prices...I hate the fact that is one town it can be 2.30 and 5 miles away or even less it can be 2.65. That is what makes me mad

Capitalism at it's finest. Whatever the market will bear.

That's why some football players make millions, and others only thousands.

kaorder1999
09-14-2006, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by PPHSfan
Capitalism at it's finest. Whatever the market will bear.

That's why some football players make millions, and others only thousands.

True....

Adidas410s
09-14-2006, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by PPHSfan
Capitalism at it's finest. Whatever the market will bear.

That's why some football players make millions, and others only thousands.

it is what it is. Just imagine was gas prices would look like if America were a 1st World country with a communist or dictatorship regime in place that controlled all prices. :eek: :eek:

piratebg
09-14-2006, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer
2.13 in portland :)


I just got gas in Portland for 2.16. That's what I get for not going down Wildcat first. :doh:

Old Tiger
09-14-2006, 12:20 PM
Lowest I've seen has been 2.36

spiveyrat
09-14-2006, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by Adidas410s
it is what it is. Just imagine was gas prices would look like if America were a 1st World country with a communist or dictatorship regime in place that controlled all prices. :eek: :eek:

It's about .12/gallon (yes twelve cents) in Venezuela. That's more the exception than the rule, though.

EricDraven
09-14-2006, 12:36 PM
Said with a dry, crackly southern accent "When I wuz a yungin', gas was 87 cents a gallon and we walked uphill ta git it"

STANG RED
09-14-2006, 01:05 PM
I just went by a station in Abilene. Gas was $2.26, but Deisel was still at $2.85. How do they justify that?

Txbroadcaster
09-14-2006, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by spiveyrat
It's about .12/gallon (yes twelve cents) in Venezuela. That's more the exception than the rule, though.

Your right about it being the execption, because they produce a good % of the oil for the world

Which by the way is ironic...Most Oil bearing countries are run by dictators, and that is where they get their money..so in a way, the consumer's of the world help bankroll alot of dictators and terroist groups

wedo
09-14-2006, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by Blastoderm55
Or after the mid-term elections. :p

Thats true!! How ironic that they are down right now!!!!

lepfan
09-14-2006, 05:11 PM
Well , up here just 2 miles from hell....gas is 2.49. :(

jlwzz
09-14-2006, 06:17 PM
I sure like the extra change, but i dont see it getting much low than 2$ a gallon in Decatuur 2.38 and in N. Ftw 2.27

BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
09-14-2006, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by STANG RED
I just went by a station in Abilene. Gas was $2.26, but Deisel was still at $2.85. How do they justify that?
Yeah, especially when regular gasoline derives from further refining of diesel....Basically this means that it takes more work to produce regular unleaded.

big daddy russ
09-14-2006, 07:46 PM
Dropped to $2.09 last night in Huntsville.

Just drove in to College Station (52 miles down the road) and it's still in the $2.60's.

sinton66
09-14-2006, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by spiveyrat
It's about .12/gallon (yes twelve cents) in Venezuela. That's more the exception than the rule, though.

Sure, but the per capita average income is what? Maybe a dollar a day?

Paratrooper
09-14-2006, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by Blastoderm55
Or after the mid-term elections. :p

I saw it at 2.38 out here in North Carolina but it is steadily dropping. 1.15 would be great but I won't believe it until I see it. President Bush doesn't control the gas prices, however, it really does drive the point home how vulnerable we are to OPEC. All it would take for a massive resurgence in gas prices is either Iran or Venezuela to become destablized. We really need to get away from fossil fuels.

SintonFan
09-14-2006, 08:32 PM
I paid $2.47 in SA today!:mad:
Now I know where the Fat Cats live.:(

mrescape43
09-14-2006, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by pirate44
on a related note, gas is $2.13 at many stations in and around Corpus Christi.

$2.49 is lowest price in Snyder.

IHS Fan
09-14-2006, 09:58 PM
i was in lafayette,La. today and the cheapest i saw was 2.45.

Sweetwater96
09-15-2006, 02:56 PM
The gas is $2.05 up here in Missouri. I wish gas would go that low $1.15 (I'll believe it when I see it). I'm happy to see the lower prices. Growing up I never thought I'd see gas at $2 a gallon, now experience it at almost $3, $2 seems nice, LOL.

pirate44
09-15-2006, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by Sweetwater96
The gas is $2.05 up here in Missouri. I wish gas would go that low $1.15 (I'll believe it when I see it). I'm happy to see the lower prices. Growing up I never thought I'd see gas at $2 a gallon, now experience it at almost $3, $2 seems nice, LOL.
totally agree. never thought it'd be as high as it has gotten. buck-thirty seemd way high back then

htowntransplant
09-15-2006, 03:04 PM
maybe it is a typo. i seriously doubt it will go as low as 1.15 anywhere in the US. maybe as low as 2.15

maybe in puerto rico...

pirate44
09-15-2006, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by htowntransplant
maybe it is a typo. i seriously doubt it will go as low as 1.15 anywhere in the US. maybe as low as 2.15

maybe in puerto rico...
its already below 2.15. i think its possible. at least i HOPE its possible:)

spiveyrat
09-15-2006, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by sinton66
Sure, but the per capita average income is what? Maybe a dollar a day?

Probably.

I read somewhere that Hugo actually subsidizes it to gain favor with the people of Venezuela.

KTJ
09-15-2006, 03:37 PM
$2.37 in northwest Austin.

$2.31 in Cedar Park.

MagicMan
09-15-2006, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by Paratrooper
I saw it at 2.38 out here in North Carolina but it is steadily dropping. 1.15 would be great but I won't believe it until I see it. President Bush doesn't control the gas prices, however, it really does drive the point home how vulnerable we are to OPEC. All it would take for a massive resurgence in gas prices is either Iran or Venezuela to become destablized. We really need to get away from fossil fuels.
there are things bush could do to control prices. nixon put a cap on oil prices when he was in office and even balanced the national debt. we may need opec but since we are opec's best customers they need us just as much.

awizzy
09-15-2006, 03:57 PM
2.18 today in lake jackson:D
i cant believe it...the day i am happy for 2.18

strosfan
09-15-2006, 04:15 PM
i'm no expert, but I don't think that it will ever go under $1.75 again.

Paratrooper
09-15-2006, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by MagicMan
there are things bush could do to control prices. nixon put a cap on oil prices when he was in office and even balanced the national debt. we may need opec but since we are opec's best customers they need us just as much.

Nixon was granted the powers to do so. President Ford also signed legislation. Actually during the Clinton years, President Clinton sold our strategic reserve oil because it had reached a 5 year high. Everyone thinks the economy was so good during his tenure. Not so, he cut the military in half, saving billions and billions of dollars and sold our strategic reserve to combat oil prices. It had a crippling effect on the military in general and to this day we still feel the repercussions in here. It also hurt our "war stock" of fuel such as we need now. However, for the short term gain he managed to pull the wool over the eyes of the American public. All Presidents have been faced with a crisis when it comes to oil. The only solution is for us to be independent of this type of fuel.
The current congress both Republican and Democrat have never brought this to the floor for President Bush to be granted the same powers as Nixon. Whenever the Middle East has become unstable at anytime during the history of OPEC it has drove the market through the roof.

big daddy russ
09-16-2006, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by strosfan
i'm no expert, but I don't think that it will ever go under $1.75 again.
I still think it could. This whole situation reminds me of the oil shortage back in the 70's, when several of the biggest oil-producing nations were at war. When, or if, the Middle East settles down oil prices will go back down.

Keith7
09-16-2006, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by Paratrooper
Nixon was granted the powers to do so. President Ford also signed legislation. Actually during the Clinton years, President Clinton sold our strategic reserve oil because it had reached a 5 year high. Everyone thinks the economy was so good during his tenure. Not so, he cut the military in half, saving billions and billions of dollars and sold our strategic reserve to combat oil prices. It had a crippling effect on the military in general and to this day we still feel the repercussions in here. It also hurt our "war stock" of fuel such as we need now. However, for the short term gain he managed to pull the wool over the eyes of the American public. All Presidents have been faced with a crisis when it comes to oil. The only solution is for us to be independent of this type of fuel.
The current congress both Republican and Democrat have never brought this to the floor for President Bush to be granted the same powers as Nixon. Whenever the Middle East has become unstable at anytime during the history of OPEC it has drove the market through the roof.

Get real.. I see what political party you are for.. ha blaiming the last guy for the new president's mistakes..

Clinton's presidency included the longest period of economic growth in America's history...

The Clinton presidency left America with record economic growth and prosperity:

* Average economic growth of 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the previous years. The economy grew for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.
* Creation of more than 22.5 million jobs—the most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, were in the private sector.
* Economic gains spurred an increase in family incomes for all Americans. Since 1993, real median family income increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).
* Overall unemployment dropped to the lowest level in more than 30 years, down from 6.9 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in January 2001. The unemployment rate was below 5 percent for 40 consecutive months. Unemployment for African Americans fell from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 7.3 percent in 2000, the lowest rate on record. Unemployment for Hispanics fell from 11.8 percent in October 1992 to 5.0 percent in 2000, also the lowest rate on record.
* Inflation dropped to its lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, and fell from 4.7 percent during the previous administration.
* The homeownership rate reached 67.7 percent near the end of the Clinton administration, the highest rate on record. In contrast, the homeownership rate fell from 65.6 percent in the first quarter of 1981 to 63.7 percent in the first quarter of 1993.
* The poverty rate also declined from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 11.8 percent in 1999, the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. This left 7 million fewer people in poverty than there were in 1993.
* The surplus in fiscal year 2000 was $237 billion—the third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever.
* President Clinton reached across the aisle and worked with the Republican-led Congress to enact welfare reform. As a result, welfare rolls dropped dramatically and were the lowest since 1969. Between January 1993 and September of 1999, the number of welfare recipients dropped by 7.5 million (a 53 percent decline) to 6.6 million. In comparison, between 1981-1992, the number of welfare recipients increased by 2.5 million (a 22 percent increase) to 13.6 million people.

All this with no war, and Gas prices staying the same..

shankbear
09-16-2006, 10:52 AM
please provide links for these claims. perhaps they are from a clinton biography.

Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew.

olddawggreen
09-16-2006, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by big daddy russ
I still think it could. This whole situation reminds me of the oil shortage back in the 70's, when several of the biggest oil-producing nations were at war. When, or if, the Middle East settles down oil prices will go back down.

The biggist difference now is a four letter word + one. CHINA.
War or no war, this is a very different situation than it was back in the 70's. I personally don't expect us to see gas prices reach an average much below $2.00.

MagicMan
09-16-2006, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by Keith7
Get real.. I see what political party you are for.. ha blaiming the last guy for the new president's mistakes..

Clinton's presidency included the longest period of economic growth in America's history...

The Clinton presidency left America with record economic growth and prosperity:

* Average economic growth of 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the previous years. The economy grew for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.
* Creation of more than 22.5 million jobs—the most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, were in the private sector.
* Economic gains spurred an increase in family incomes for all Americans. Since 1993, real median family income increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).
* Overall unemployment dropped to the lowest level in more than 30 years, down from 6.9 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in January 2001. The unemployment rate was below 5 percent for 40 consecutive months. Unemployment for African Americans fell from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 7.3 percent in 2000, the lowest rate on record. Unemployment for Hispanics fell from 11.8 percent in October 1992 to 5.0 percent in 2000, also the lowest rate on record.
* Inflation dropped to its lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, and fell from 4.7 percent during the previous administration.
* The homeownership rate reached 67.7 percent near the end of the Clinton administration, the highest rate on record. In contrast, the homeownership rate fell from 65.6 percent in the first quarter of 1981 to 63.7 percent in the first quarter of 1993.
* The poverty rate also declined from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 11.8 percent in 1999, the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. This left 7 million fewer people in poverty than there were in 1993.
* The surplus in fiscal year 2000 was $237 billion—the third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever.
* President Clinton reached across the aisle and worked with the Republican-led Congress to enact welfare reform. As a result, welfare rolls dropped dramatically and were the lowest since 1969. Between January 1993 and September of 1999, the number of welfare recipients dropped by 7.5 million (a 53 percent decline) to 6.6 million. In comparison, between 1981-1992, the number of welfare recipients increased by 2.5 million (a 22 percent increase) to 13.6 million people.

All this with no war, and Gas prices staying the same..
clinton created all those jobs at the expense of this nation. he's responsible for all the debt we're in. he started all kinds of crap he couldnt afford. kind of like cuero building new schools and not having the money for it and then having to cut so many things out of their budget.

TheDOCTORdre
09-16-2006, 11:53 AM
it was inevitable that this would turn political

wedo
09-16-2006, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by MagicMan
clinton created all those jobs at the expense of this nation. he's responsible for all the debt we're in. he started all kinds of crap he couldnt afford. kind of like cuero building new schools and not having the money for it and then having to cut so many things out of their budget.

Debt????? When Clinton was President there was a suplus!!!

wedo
09-16-2006, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by Keith7
Get real.. I see what political party you are for.. ha blaiming the last guy for the new president's mistakes..

Clinton's presidency included the longest period of economic growth in America's history...

The Clinton presidency left America with record economic growth and prosperity:

* Average economic growth of 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the previous years. The economy grew for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.
* Creation of more than 22.5 million jobs—the most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, were in the private sector.
* Economic gains spurred an increase in family incomes for all Americans. Since 1993, real median family income increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).
* Overall unemployment dropped to the lowest level in more than 30 years, down from 6.9 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in January 2001. The unemployment rate was below 5 percent for 40 consecutive months. Unemployment for African Americans fell from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 7.3 percent in 2000, the lowest rate on record. Unemployment for Hispanics fell from 11.8 percent in October 1992 to 5.0 percent in 2000, also the lowest rate on record.
* Inflation dropped to its lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, and fell from 4.7 percent during the previous administration.
* The homeownership rate reached 67.7 percent near the end of the Clinton administration, the highest rate on record. In contrast, the homeownership rate fell from 65.6 percent in the first quarter of 1981 to 63.7 percent in the first quarter of 1993.
* The poverty rate also declined from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 11.8 percent in 1999, the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. This left 7 million fewer people in poverty than there were in 1993.
* The surplus in fiscal year 2000 was $237 billion—the third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever.
* President Clinton reached across the aisle and worked with the Republican-led Congress to enact welfare reform. As a result, welfare rolls dropped dramatically and were the lowest since 1969. Between January 1993 and September of 1999, the number of welfare recipients dropped by 7.5 million (a 53 percent decline) to 6.6 million. In comparison, between 1981-1992, the number of welfare recipients increased by 2.5 million (a 22 percent increase) to 13.6 million people.

All this with no war, and Gas prices staying the same..


Amen!!!!!!

Paratrooper
09-16-2006, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by wedo
Debt????? When Clinton was President there was a suplus!!!

Read this article it might just surprise you. http://www.serve.com/Lincolnheritage2/articles/address/1997to2003/budget/pres_clinton_promotes.html

He sold half of our military off as you cannot dispute the numbers in todays military. The downsizing actually started during President Bush Sr's tenure, but President Clinton took it to new heights. When you're not spending money on defense it is really easy to have a good economy.

Keith7
09-16-2006, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by Paratrooper
When you're not spending money on defense it is really easy to have a good economy.


there u go.. more reason to not be at war!

Blastoderm55
09-16-2006, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by Keith7
there u go.. more reason to not be at war!

And put Halliburton out of business?!?!?! NEVAR!!!!!!!11111

Paratrooper
09-16-2006, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by Keith7
there u go.. more reason to not be at war!

That is a San Francisco mentality of not having a military. You should never cut your military in half. That was irresponsible to do during the 90's. I understand why they were cutting back since the Soviets had collapsed but they went too far. A strong military is paramount to American influence throughout the world. A 1/3 of all of our money is pumped into the military, so it is with reason that by cutting your military in half you would save trillions of dollars. However, at whose expense?

strosfan
09-16-2006, 03:39 PM
Didn't they just discover a large oil reservoir out in the Gulf here recently - thought I heard Paul Harvey talking bout it the other day.

Paratrooper
09-16-2006, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by strosfan
Didn't they just discover a large oil reservoir out in the Gulf here recently - thought I heard Paul Harvey talking bout it the other day.

The deal is Cuba can drill off our coast but due to the eco nuts we are not allowed to drill in parts of the Gulf of Mexico. They literally are stealing our oil. The tree huggers also won't let us drill up in Alaska. It makes us really dependent on Middle Eastern Oil. We haven't built a refinery in the past 25 years due to these environmental whacko's. They have made it impossible for us to use our own resources.

sweetwater07
09-16-2006, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by Keith7
Get real.. I see what political party you are for.. ha blaiming the last guy for the new president's mistakes..

Clinton's presidency included the longest period of economic growth in America's history...

The Clinton presidency left America with record economic growth and prosperity:

* Average economic growth of 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the previous years. The economy grew for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.
* Creation of more than 22.5 million jobs—the most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, were in the private sector.
* Economic gains spurred an increase in family incomes for all Americans. Since 1993, real median family income increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).
* Overall unemployment dropped to the lowest level in more than 30 years, down from 6.9 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in January 2001. The unemployment rate was below 5 percent for 40 consecutive months. Unemployment for African Americans fell from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 7.3 percent in 2000, the lowest rate on record. Unemployment for Hispanics fell from 11.8 percent in October 1992 to 5.0 percent in 2000, also the lowest rate on record.
* Inflation dropped to its lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, and fell from 4.7 percent during the previous administration.
* The homeownership rate reached 67.7 percent near the end of the Clinton administration, the highest rate on record. In contrast, the homeownership rate fell from 65.6 percent in the first quarter of 1981 to 63.7 percent in the first quarter of 1993.
* The poverty rate also declined from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 11.8 percent in 1999, the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. This left 7 million fewer people in poverty than there were in 1993.
* The surplus in fiscal year 2000 was $237 billion—the third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever.
* President Clinton reached across the aisle and worked with the Republican-led Congress to enact welfare reform. As a result, welfare rolls dropped dramatically and were the lowest since 1969. Between January 1993 and September of 1999, the number of welfare recipients dropped by 7.5 million (a 53 percent decline) to 6.6 million. In comparison, between 1981-1992, the number of welfare recipients increased by 2.5 million (a 22 percent increase) to 13.6 million people.

All this with no war, and Gas prices staying the same..

bout dang time i have another democrat on this forum...nothing like a little Bush bashing

shankbear
09-16-2006, 05:37 PM
....all that with his head in the sand as far as terrorist activities. All that with that woman....Monica Lewinsky with her head in his crotch. All that while prohibiting intelligence agencies from communicating with each other regarding terrorist activities. All that while gratifying himself in OUR White House. All that while lobbing multi million dollar cruise missiles into a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan to divert attention from his whoremongering with Moanica.

Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew.

Thanks Billy bubba

luvhoops34
09-16-2006, 05:53 PM
Regular unleaded was 2.09 in Rivera, TX this morning:clap:

shankbear
09-16-2006, 05:55 PM
Bring it on down. But whose fault is it for these lower gas prices??

jlwzz
09-16-2006, 06:10 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Keith7
[B]Get real.. I see what political party you are for.. ha blaiming the last guy for the new president's mistakes..

Clinton's presidency included the longest period of economic growth in America's history...

The Clinton presidency left America with record economic growth and prosperity:

* Ave

SintonFan
09-16-2006, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by shankbear
Bring it on down. But whose fault is it for these lower gas prices??
.
It because of them mid-term elections coming this fall. Don't forget these leftist see their shadow and the world starts heating up and the glaciers melt.;)

SintonFan
09-16-2006, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by Keith7
Get real.. I see what political party you are for.. ha blaiming the last guy for the new president's mistakes..

Clinton's presidency included the longest period of economic growth in America's history...

The Clinton presidency left America with record economic growth and prosperity:

* Average economic growth of 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the previous years. The economy grew for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.
* Creation of more than 22.5 million jobs—the most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, were in the private sector.
* Economic gains spurred an increase in family incomes for all Americans. Since 1993, real median family income increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).
* Overall unemployment dropped to the lowest level in more than 30 years, down from 6.9 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in January 2001. The unemployment rate was below 5 percent for 40 consecutive months. Unemployment for African Americans fell from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 7.3 percent in 2000, the lowest rate on record. Unemployment for Hispanics fell from 11.8 percent in October 1992 to 5.0 percent in 2000, also the lowest rate on record.
* Inflation dropped to its lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, and fell from 4.7 percent during the previous administration.
* The homeownership rate reached 67.7 percent near the end of the Clinton administration, the highest rate on record. In contrast, the homeownership rate fell from 65.6 percent in the first quarter of 1981 to 63.7 percent in the first quarter of 1993.
* The poverty rate also declined from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 11.8 percent in 1999, the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. This left 7 million fewer people in poverty than there were in 1993.
* The surplus in fiscal year 2000 was $237 billion—the third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever.
* President Clinton reached across the aisle and worked with the Republican-led Congress to enact welfare reform. As a result, welfare rolls dropped dramatically and were the lowest since 1969. Between January 1993 and September of 1999, the number of welfare recipients dropped by 7.5 million (a 53 percent decline) to 6.6 million. In comparison, between 1981-1992, the number of welfare recipients increased by 2.5 million (a 22 percent increase) to 13.6 million people.

All this with no war, and Gas prices staying the same..
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lol
Welfare grew from '82 to '92 do to the Democratic control of congress. When the conservatives took over in '94 that's what allowed the economy to grow and comprehensive legistation to help stabilize all the good things of the '90s.
Believe all that liberal air-head America stuff all you want. It still doesn't make it true.:p :hand:

bulldogman06
09-16-2006, 06:19 PM
Clinton rode the wave Reagon started

jlwzz
09-16-2006, 06:41 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Keith7
[B]Get real.. I see what political party you are for.. ha blaiming the last guy for the new president's mistakes..

Clinton's presidency included the longest period of economic growth in America's history...

The Clinton presidency left America with record economic growth and prosperity:

* Average economic growth of 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent dur

jlwzz
09-16-2006, 06:44 PM
EDITED FOR LANGUAGE

~RM~

Old Tiger
09-16-2006, 06:44 PM
Wow...language







ROM

jlwzz
09-16-2006, 06:46 PM
that was not my last post

jlwzz
09-16-2006, 06:51 PM
ii posted earler and it wasnt what i said i thank theres something wrong here im sorry for the f word bot something aint right

Ranger Mom
09-16-2006, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by jlwzz
that was not my last post

Language like that pops out of your username again...it will be!!

Old Tiger
09-16-2006, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Language like that pops out of your username again...it will be!!


SHOW SOME MERCY!!!!:mad:

Ranger Mom
09-16-2006, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by Tiger WR
SHOW SOME MERCY!!!!:mad:

You posted ROM and you are telling ME to show some mercy???


Originally posted by Tiger WR
Wow...language


ROM

jlwzz
09-16-2006, 08:34 PM
ladys i did not type this

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: gas prices to drop to $1.15 gal.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Keith7
[B]Get real.. I see what political party you are for.. ha blaiming the last guy for the new president's mistakes..

Clinton's presidency included the longest period of economic growth in America's history...

The Clinton presidency left America with record economic growth and prosperity:

carter08
09-16-2006, 08:36 PM
prices were .23 cents in West Columbia, cause they set the pumps wrong

jlwzz
09-16-2006, 08:45 PM
it is all true but i did not post it, please let me tell you this i like this site, but yall seam to be a little out of touch, i dont have time to have as many post as yall

Old Tiger
09-16-2006, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by Ranger Mom
You posted ROM and you are telling ME to show some mercy??? lol...um...sorry?

Paratrooper
09-16-2006, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by jlwzz
it is all true but i did not post it, please let me tell you this i like this site, but yall seam to be a little out of touch, i dont have time to have as many post as yall

Then post your opinion and give it your best shot.

SintonFan
09-17-2006, 02:21 AM
Originally posted by jlwzz
ladys i did not type this

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: gas prices to drop to $1.15 gal.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Keith7
[B]Get real.. I see what political party you are for.. ha blaiming the last guy for the new president's mistakes..

Clinton's presidency included the longest period of economic growth in America's history...

The Clinton presidency left America with record economic growth and prosperity:
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What Clinton did do is lead America to a state of moral depravity and make friends with terrorists states like Saudia Arabia. He get's paid 100 grand or more a pop now to give speeches preaching against America now. His administration had a chance to take out Osoma bin laden but they didn't do it cuz they had no idea what the heck they were doing, unless it involved giving missile technolgy to communist China. Go ahead, celebrate him if you must but he is a traitor in many Americans' eyes. His actions prove it, but it is never pursued. :doh: :hand:

DU_stud04
09-17-2006, 02:28 AM
my brother reported getting gas at $1.99 earlier, i cant wait to see those prices

shankbear
09-17-2006, 07:55 AM
Amen SintonFan. He sold us out for a little personal time with an intern. What a president.

Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew.

thanks Billy bubba

Paratrooper
09-17-2006, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by SintonFan
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What Clinton did do is lead America to a state of moral depravity and make friends with terrorists states like Saudia Arabia. He get's paid 100 grand or more a pop now to give speeches preaching against America now. His administration had a chance to take out Osoma bin laden but they didn't do it cuz they had no idea what the heck they were doing, unless it involved giving missile technolgy to communist China. Go ahead, celebrate him if you must but he is a traitor in many Americans' eyes. His actions prove it, but it is never pursued. :doh: :hand:

I agree Sinton Fan - Clinton did more to hurt this country than you can shake a stick at but he is revered with the Democratic Party. In 1993 when they bombed the World Trade Center's he did nothing. The Khobar Tower bombing in Saudi Arabia he did nothing. Later in July TWA flight 800 he did nothing. In 1998 the embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed.....the Clinton response - Nothing. In 2000 when they bombed the U.S.S. Cole he did nothing as they killed the sons and daughters of America. Al Qaida became emboldened on his watch as the West would not give a response to Terrorism.
You know it really burns me up we finally get a President who is willing to get rid of these terrorist and all the Democrats can do is undermine this guy. They NEVER offer a solution to the War on Terror but they tout how they have "a plan". Cutting and running or no response is not a plan and it is a coward’s death.

District303aPastPlayer
09-17-2006, 10:47 AM
can we stay on the topic of gas prices only... geez, is it THAT hard to not get your panties in a wad about politics...

2.13 in Portland still, 2.10 with a cash card

Paratrooper
09-17-2006, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer
can we stay on the topic of gas prices only... geez, is it THAT hard to not get your panties in a wad about politics...

2.13 in Portland still, 2.10 with a cash card

It all ties in together

District303aPastPlayer
09-17-2006, 10:52 AM
this is my gas guage... if it gets locked... its for stupid reasons, discuss politics on AIM or in PMs... hell, its part of the rules, im not singling you out. i intended it as a blanket statement for everyone who posted on the thread...

Paratrooper
09-17-2006, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer
this is my gas guage... if it gets locked... its for stupid reasons, discuss politics on AIM or in PMs... hell, its part of the rules, im not singling you out. i intended it as a blanket statement for everyone who posted on the thread...

I'm with you but I guess when someone starts a thread that is not football related it should be removed. I think once the thread goes on and as in this case on and on...lol. I don't see the harm in participating as this one is approaching a 100 postings. Were you angry at the content being written, the topic itself (gas prices), or the politics (the dems and repubs)?

District303aPastPlayer
09-17-2006, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by Paratrooper
I'm with you but I guess when someone starts a thread that is not football related it should be removed. I think once the thread goes on and as in this case on and on...lol. I don't see the harm in participating as this one is approaching a 100 postings. Were you angry at the content being written, the topic itself (gas prices), or the politics (the dems and repubs)?

mostly the politics.

Paratrooper
09-17-2006, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer
mostly the politics.

If you don't agree with myself and Sinton Fan then tell us why. I always respect people's opinion when it comes to how they believe and truly think that this is what makes the country so great. I don't make personalized attacks just because I don't agree with you, but I would hope that you can back your point with facts. However, I won't engage you politically if you don't want to. :D

Keith7
09-17-2006, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by shankbear
Bring it on down. But whose fault is it for these lower gas prices??

80 percent of oil and gas political contibutions go to Republicans.. Do u think the gas companies want to invest all this money into the GOP but lost control of congress?? No.. Thats why all of a sudden we have a "surplus" of oil, and a "mild hurricane season"..

District303aPastPlayer
09-17-2006, 11:41 AM
its not that i agree or disagree with what was said. i didnt even read what was said. i Just dont see why, even after all previous threads had been shut down because they went political, would one which actually has consumer information that most of us can use, would go political.

all i am saying is this:

one of the rules states that politics aren't to be discussed in threads, to take them to PM. i like this thread because of a few of us work/live in teh same 2 towns, so i know where to gas up wehn im coming home from work.

Keith7
09-17-2006, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer
this is my gas guage... if it gets locked... its for stupid reasons, discuss politics on AIM or in PMs... hell, its part of the rules, im not singling you out. i intended it as a blanket statement for everyone who posted on the thread...

Go here http://www.gaspricewatch.com/new/ and stop crying

District303aPastPlayer
09-17-2006, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by Keith7
Go here http://www.gaspricewatch.com/new/ and stop crying

or not.

Paratrooper
09-17-2006, 11:46 AM
*****Here is a great web site for gas prices*****

http://autos.msn.com/everyday/GasStations.aspx?m=1&l=1&zip=77611&x=8&y=5

I know this thing get's updated. Just type in your zipcode and it will tell you in your area what are the prices at each station.

Save this one to your favorites.

shankbear
09-17-2006, 11:48 AM
is this thread out of gas yet?

TheDOCTORdre
09-17-2006, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by sweetwater07
bout dang time i have another democrat on this forum
and then I began to see things a little more clearly and it all begins to come together

Keith7
09-17-2006, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by SintonFan
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What Clinton did do is lead America to a state of moral depravity and make friends with terrorists states like Saudia Arabia.

Ya and Bush's dad nevermade a mistake like that.. http://www.vinceandjessica.com/images/bush_handshake.jpg



Originally posted by SintonFan
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He get's paid 100 grand or more a pop now to give speeches preaching against America now. His administration had a chance to take out Osoma bin laden but they didn't do it cuz they had no idea what the heck they were doing, unless it involved giving missile technolgy to communist China.




Clinton actually signed the first Anti-Terrorism Act following the Oklahoma City bombing.. To hint that Clinton supported terrorist is just plain wrong




Originally posted by SintonFan
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Go ahead, celebrate him if you must but he is a traitor in many Americans' eyes.



Clinton's approval rating was at 68 percent when he left office.. Bush's is at 38 right now.. who is a traitor in many Americans' eyes??

Keith7
09-17-2006, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer
or not.

oh no i guess that would be too easy

Keith7
09-17-2006, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer


one of the rules states that politics aren't to be discussed in threads, to take them to PM. i like this thread because of a few of us work/live in teh same 2 towns, so i know where to gas up wehn im coming home from work.

Wa wa wa.. the reason this rule is even around is because of people crying like you.. thanks for tryin to make us all stupid

District303aPastPlayer
09-17-2006, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by Keith7
Wa wa wa.. the reason this rule is even around is because of people crying like you.. thanks for tryin to make us all stupid

knew there was a reason i didnt like you...

all your posts make you sound like a lil b----

awizzy
09-17-2006, 11:57 AM
yesterday i sa it at 23 cents for like 30 minutes in west columbia but i am pretty sure that was a computer error at the gas station...but still down to 215

DU_stud04
09-17-2006, 11:58 AM
countdown till thread closes......

10!

District303aPastPlayer
09-17-2006, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by awizzy
yesterday i sa it at 23 cents for like 30 minutes in west columbia but i am pretty sure that was a computer error at the gas station...but still down to 215

you fill up?

carter08
09-17-2006, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by awizzy
yesterday i sa it at 23 cents for like 30 minutes in west columbia but i am pretty sure that was a computer error at the gas station...but still down to 215

I already posted this. Just look back a page or 2 :D

TheDOCTORdre
09-17-2006, 11:59 AM
I wish EP would catch up with the rest of Texas, $2.60 avg price here

awizzy
09-17-2006, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by carter08
I already posted this. Just look back a page or 2 :D
dang i am always late...maybe it bc i got a life

jk jk jk :D

Paratrooper
09-17-2006, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by Keith7
80 percent of oil and gas political contibutions go to Republicans.. Do u think the gas companies want to invest all this money into the GOP but lost control of congress?? No.. Thats why all of a sudden we have a "surplus" of oil, and a "mild hurricane season"..

Keith that is true. Actually it is 83%; however, one reason for this is because in October of 2005 Republicans tried to get legislation enacted to build more refineries and Democrats blocked it. We have lost over 1/2 of our refineries in this nation since 1982 but yet the demand for oil has increased. Democrats attacked a bill that would have us build more refinery capability. The Republicans tried to get this through to meet the demands after Katrina wrecked the Gulf Coast. It wasn't always this one sided for contributions, but in the past two years it has become.

carter08
09-17-2006, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by awizzy
dang i am always late...maybe it bc i got a life

jk jk jk :D

:D :D :D :clap:

Paratrooper
09-17-2006, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by awizzy
dang i am always late...maybe it bc i got a life

jk jk jk :D

You read through the post didn't you?:eek:

awizzy
09-17-2006, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by Paratrooper
You read through the post didn't you?:eek:

no its to many

shankbear
09-17-2006, 12:34 PM
reading would be ok if it weren't for all those words.

BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
09-17-2006, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by Paratrooper
Keith that is true. Actually it is 83%; however, one reason for this is because in October of 2005 Republicans tried to get legislation enacted to build more refineries and Democrats blocked it. We have lost over 1/2 of our refineries in this nation since 1982 but yet the demand for oil has increased. Democrats attacked a bill that would have us build more refinery capability. The Republicans tried to get this through to meet the demands after Katrina wrecked the Gulf Coast. It wasn't always this one sided for contributions, but in the past two years it has become.

There isn't a shortage of gasoline or oil, not even close, there is simply becoming a monopoly in the oil business as competition is diminishing. Shell, Chevron, Exxon-Mobil, and BP are among a few of the remaining large oil companies left, either merging with smaller companies or simply buying them up. With the majority of the oil controlled by a few, they can set the price at whatever they want and know that their competitors will do the same. I look at oil as I look at diamonds. Diamonds are more abundant than gold, and are not rare by any means. The only thing that keeps the price high is the ironclad grip that a certain few have on the control of the mines. A steady control of the flow and prices of oil is the only thing that is keeping the price up. If it were so hard for the oil companies to drill for oil, why are they making record profits in the billions?

Paratrooper
09-17-2006, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by BIG BLUE DEFENSIVE END
There isn't a shortage of gasoline or oil, not even close, there is simply becoming a monopoly in the oil business as competition is diminishing. Shell, Chevron, Exxon-Mobil, and BP are among a few of the remaining large oil companies left, either merging with smaller companies or simply buying them up. With the majority of the oil controlled by a few, they can set the price at whatever they want and know that their competitors will do the same. I look at oil as I look at diamonds. Diamonds are more abundant than gold, and are not rare by any means. The only thing that keeps the price high is the ironclad grip that a certain few have on the control of the mines. A steady control of the flow and prices of oil is the only thing that is keeping the price up. If it were so hard for the oil companies to drill for oil, why are they making record profits in the billions?

I do agree with this statement. It goes right back to President Bush does not control oil prices. The federal government lobbies a serious tax on it as well as the state. North Carolina is 30.15 in state gas tax and the federal government is 18.4 cents. I think Texas is around 20 cents on the state gas tax. The Oil companies, federal government, and the state all are dipping their hands in this.
The gas tax originally in 1935 was started to fund our general revenues, in 1956 it changed and went to fund the Highways. Then in 1982 it shifted to also include the Transit fund. The gas hikes of 1990, 1993, and 1997 further expanded where this money was allocated to. A small portion now goes to other trust funds.
It really boils down to can the federal government control profits by independent companies?

wedo
09-17-2006, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by SintonFan
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What Clinton did do is lead America to a state of moral depravity and make friends with terrorists states like Saudia Arabia. He get's paid 100 grand or more a pop now to give speeches preaching against America now. His administration had a chance to take out Osoma bin laden but they didn't do it cuz they had no idea what the heck they were doing, unless it involved giving missile technolgy to communist China. Go ahead, celebrate him if you must but he is a traitor in many Americans' eyes. His actions prove it, but it is never pursued. :doh: :hand:

Osama bin Laden= Semptember 11, 2001
Sudam Hussain= Just a threat

Imo Cliton was the best president we had!! Just my opinion!!! OK!! when i see movies about 9-11 it really is a discgrace to the people that died to me!!! Im young and nobody has influence my politicall opinion but in my opionion this is what i think!!! September 11 happened and we went to war!! But we are in Iraq!!! Sudam Huessain had nothing to do with 9-11 !! Yeah so what he MIGHT have been a threat!!! CIA evidence has shown that they didn't have WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!!! Why spend all of our money on Iraq who care about making them a democracy??? I don't !! IMO i don't think they care either and i don't think that they are even trying!!! Why should they?? American soilders are die everyday for them!!! For what??? going after Sudam was retarted Imo!!! For example say Ranger MOM slapped me but i don't get mad at her i just slap Aggiejohn!!! IMO thats what we did!!! Yeah Suddam is a bad man!! Theres millions all over the world!!! Suddam and Iran hated each other guts and now look what we did!! Instead of letting them fight each other, we took Suddam out and chose a President for Iraq and what the hell are they doing walking and having conversation together!!! Imo we made it worse!!!! And Osama is still out there!!!!!

wedo
09-17-2006, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by Paratrooper
I do agree with this statement. It goes right back to President Bush does not control oil prices. The federal government lobbies a serious tax on it as well as the state. North Carolina is 30.15 in state gas tax and the federal government is 18.4 cents. I think Texas is around 20 cents on the state gas tax. The Oil companies, federal government, and the state all are dipping their hands in this.
The gas tax originally in 1935 was started to fund our general revenues, in 1956 it changed and went to fund the Highways. Then in 1982 it shifted to also include the Transit fund. The gas hikes of 1990, 1993, and 1997 further expanded where this money was allocated to. A small portion now goes to other trust funds.
It really boils down to can the federal government control profits by independent companies?

Why would they??? Im sure Cheney has all kinds of stock in Halliburton!!!!!!!!!!!

SintonFan
09-17-2006, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by Keith7
Ya and Bush's dad nevermade a mistake like that.. http://www.vinceandjessica.com/images/bush_handshake.jpg

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Are you talking about when Bush was tops in the CIA? Back then they were trying to keep communist Russia from having such a sweeping influence in the Middle East. Things were done with the Cold War in mind at that time. That lil puppy had a whole different context when Saddam ascended to power. What does that have to do with Clinton giving speeches against our nation now? Nothing... was that an attempt to circumvent what I earlier posted?
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Originally posted by Keith7
Clinton actually signed the first Anti-Terrorism Act following the Oklahoma City bombing.. To hint that Clinton supported terrorist is just plain wrong

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How did that peice of legislation work out?
It seems to me Clinton avoided making the hard choices because it might have had a negative effect on the polls.:o
If he had taken action when it was needed back then he would have done a great job. He had and still has the backing
of most major media outlets and his gift for speaking would have allowed the American people to him back up. We could have avoided this mess now and I would have backed up my President then in a time of war. Now, leftists just look for ways to undermine the President because if he is successful that could very well spell doom for the Democratic party.
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Originally posted by Keith7
Clinton's approval rating was at 68 percent when he left office.. Bush's is at 38 right now.. who is a traitor in many Americans' eyes??
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Can you explain to me how approval ratings can possibly translate to your statement? Bad analogy.
Bush approval rating are low because of the constant negative criticism from darn near every form of media. Add all the left-wing loony blogs coming up with millions of conspiracies and agenda-pushed opinions how could he not have such a low rating?
Next thing your gonna tell me is the 911 was not caused by terrorists but by the US government.:hand:

SintonFan
09-17-2006, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by wedo
Osama bin Laden= Semptember 11, 2001
Sudam Hussain= Just a threat

Imo Cliton was the best president we had!! Just my opinion!!! OK!! when i see movies about 9-11 it really is a discgrace to the people that died to me!!! Im young and nobody has influence my politicall opinion but in my opionion this is what i think!!! September 11 happened and we went to war!! But we are in Iraq!!! Sudam Huessain had nothing to do with 9-11 !! Yeah so what he MIGHT have been a threat!!! CIA evidence has shown that they didn't have WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!!! Why spend all of our money on Iraq who care about making them a democracy??? I don't !! IMO i don't think they care either and i don't think that they are even trying!!! Why should they?? American soilders are die everyday for them!!! For what??? going after Sudam was retarted Imo!!! For example say Ranger MOM slapped me but i don't get mad at her i just slap Aggiejohn!!! IMO thats what we did!!! Yeah Suddam is a bad man!! Theres millions all over the world!!! Suddam and Iran hated each other guts and now look what we did!! Instead of letting them fight each other, we took Suddam out and chose a President for Iraq and what the hell are they doing walking and having conversation together!!! Imo we made it worse!!!! And Osama is still out there!!!!!
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Was that first sentence a typo? lol
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Look your Democratic leaders chose to go to war based on the same information that the President had. Now a few years later they are trying to blame Bush not on bad info. They seek to take advantage of the present situation and claim they had nothing to do with it. They had much more to do with us now in Iraq than they now admit. Why admit they voted for us to go to war now? They won't as they are recklessly trying to win over votes by making Bush the scapegoat. Now all the theories of conspiracies about gas prices abound and what evidence does anyone have about it? None. Just a bunch of rhetoric based on nothing but conjecture and politically motivated drivel.:(

DU_stud04
09-17-2006, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by SintonFan
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Next thing your gonna tell me is the 911 was not caused by terrorists but by the US government.:hand:

it wasnt?:doh:

Paratrooper
09-17-2006, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by wedo
Osama bin Laden= Semptember 11, 2001
Sudam Hussain= Just a threat

Imo Cliton was the best president we had!! Just my opinion!!! OK!! when i see movies about 9-11 it really is a discgrace to the people that died to me!!! Im young and nobody has influence my politicall opinion but in my opionion this is what i think!!! September 11 happened and we went to war!! But we are in Iraq!!! Sudam Huessain had nothing to do with 9-11 !! Yeah so what he MIGHT have been a threat!!! CIA evidence has shown that they didn't have WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!!! Why spend all of our money on Iraq who care about making them a democracy??? I don't !! IMO i don't think they care either and i don't think that they are even trying!!! Why should they?? American soilders are die everyday for them!!! For what??? going after Sudam was retarted Imo!!! For example say Ranger MOM slapped me but i don't get mad at her i just slap Aggiejohn!!! IMO thats what we did!!! Yeah Suddam is a bad man!! Theres millions all over the world!!! Suddam and Iran hated each other guts and now look what we did!! Instead of letting them fight each other, we took Suddam out and chose a President for Iraq and what the hell are they doing walking and having conversation together!!! Imo we made it worse!!!! And Osama is still out there!!!!!

Remember he had no qualms using this stuff in 1998 against the Kurds killing thousands. He shot at our pilots over 400 times and tried to state sponsor an assassination on an American President. There has been a lot of misinformation about WMD in Iraq. This is what was found in Iraq and you can see this on a web link which is accessible to the general public
http://www.humanevents.com/sarticle.php?id=10101&o=DIB004:

1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium
1500 gallons of chemical weapons
Roadside bombs filled with Sarin Gas
1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs
17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin

As opposed to what the media has said, we were greeted with people lining the streets and they were very happy we were there. Most of the Iraqi's are super people; they really are. Partner you can believe if we lose this war or cut and run before we finish your life as well as mine will drastically change. If we pull out too early these aren't the type of folks who go back to making bread and living a normal life.

gato 76
09-17-2006, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by Paratrooper
Remember he had no qualms using this stuff in 1998 against the Kurds killing thousands. He shot at our pilots over 400 times and tried to state sponsor an assassination on an American President. There has been a lot of misinformation about WMD in Iraq. This is what was found in Iraq and you can see this on a web link which is accessible to the general public
http://www.humanevents.com/sarticle.php?id=10101&o=DIB004:

1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium
1500 gallons of chemical weapons
Roadside bombs filled with Sarin Gas
1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs
17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin

As opposed to what the media has said, we were greeted with people lining the streets and they were very happy we were there. Most of the Iraqi's are super people; they really are. Partner you can believe if we lose this war or cut and run before we finish your life as well as mine will drastically change. If we pull out too early these aren't the type of folks who go back to making bread and living a normal life.

WE still went after the wrong guy,now with the mid term elections coming up he's bring up 9-11 again.Do you remember about 2yrs ago when Bush was asked about Bin Laden this is what he said( i don't think about him much i really don't care)We had the taliban defeated and bin laden almost caught,then we are invading iraq.That was and injustice to the people that died that day>

SintonFan
09-17-2006, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by gato 76
WE still went after the wrong guy,now with the mid term elections coming up he's bring up 9-11 again.Do you remember about 2yrs ago when Bush was asked about Bin Laden this is what he said( i don't think about him much i really don't care)We had the taliban defeated and bin laden almost caught,then we are invading iraq.That was and injustice to the people that died that day>
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Does this post make any sense to anyone?:confused: :confused: :p

Ranger Mom
09-17-2006, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by SintonFan
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Does this post make any sense to anyone?:confused: :confused: :p

Not in the least!!

What DOES make sense to me though is this thread has gone WAY off track!

It needs to get back on the price of gas and off the political mumbo jumbo!!

pirate44
09-17-2006, 02:06 PM
yeah. what she said. quit screwin up my thread
:foul: :flaming:

gato 76
09-17-2006, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by SintonFan
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Does this post make any sense to anyone?:confused: :confused: :p

Its makes plenty of sense W using 9-11 to make political gains in and election year.Now thats all he does bin laden,9-11 he was not talking about it a few years ago.He was asked what about bin laden and he said( i don't think about him much,i really don't care) Now every time he talks its about 9-11,and bin laden.Both the right & left political powers use this game,not just the left like you make it seem.

Ranger Mom
09-17-2006, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by wedo
For example say Ranger MOM slapped me but i don't get mad at her i just slap Aggiejohn!!! IMO thats what we did!!!

HEY!!! How did I get brought into this argument??

One more thing, I would NEVER slap you.................I would just beat the living daylights out of you and get it over with once and for all!!!:p :p



j/k!!:D

Ranger Mom
09-17-2006, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by gato 76
Its makes plenty of sense W using 9-11 to make political gains in and election year.Now thats all he does bin laden,9-11 he was not talking about it a few years ago.He was asked what about bin laden and he said( i don't think about him much,i really don't care) Now every time he talks its about 9-11,and bin laden.Both the right & left political powers use this game,not just the left like you make it seem.

Did you not read the post RIGHT UNDERNEATH THAT ONE???

STOP with the political crap!!!!!!!

shankbear
09-17-2006, 02:22 PM
........what she said.

Paratrooper
09-17-2006, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Not in the least!!

What DOES make sense to me though is this thread has gone WAY off track!

It needs to get back on the price of gas and off the political mumbo jumbo!!

Agreed, I am feeling a little gas right now......lol:D

wedo
09-17-2006, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by Ranger Mom
HEY!!! How did I get brought into this argument??

One more thing, I would NEVER slap you.................I would just beat the living daylights out of you and get it over with once and for all!!!:p :p



j/k!!:D

You took the words right out of my mouth!!! Thats exactly what we should have done to Bin Laden!!!!

wedo
09-17-2006, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by Paratrooper
Remember he had no qualms using this stuff in 1998 against the Kurds killing thousands. He shot at our pilots over 400 times and tried to state sponsor an assassination on an American President. There has been a lot of misinformation about WMD in Iraq. This is what was found in Iraq and you can see this on a web link which is accessible to the general public
http://www.humanevents.com/sarticle.php?id=10101&o=DIB004:

1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium
1500 gallons of chemical weapons
Roadside bombs filled with Sarin Gas
1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs
17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin

As opposed to what the media has said, we were greeted with people lining the streets and they were very happy we were there. Most of the Iraqi's are super people; they really are. Partner you can believe if we lose this war or cut and run before we finish your life as well as mine will drastically change. If we pull out too early these aren't the type of folks who go back to making bread and living a normal life.

Media?? Please !!!!! I have a text book to prove it !!! The textbook states that the CIA at FIRST thought that Iraq had WMD but then later they said evidence showed they didn't and the Andministration still decided to invade Iraq!!! This is what it says in my textbook that they are teaching in gov't classes in college!!!! Not the media!!! and the that CIA spy get outted !!!! I wonder why???? Yeah the Rep. will say that the head of the CIA was clinton's guy!!! WHich he was but IMO thats an excuse!!! They are so quick the point the finger at the guy before!!! Your the leader take the responsibility!!!!!!!!!!!

Paratrooper
09-17-2006, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by wedo
Media?? Please !!!!! I have a text book to prove it !!! The textbook states that the CIA at FIRST thought that Iraq had WMD but then late they said evidence showed they didn't and the Andministration still decided to invade Iraq!!! This is what it says in my textbook that they are teaching in gov't classes in college!!!! Not the media!!! and the that CIA spy get outted !!!! I wonder why????

I said contrare to what the media reported we were greeted with open arms and they did line the streets and greeted us. I didn't say I read it in a textbook.........I was in it.

carter08
09-17-2006, 02:50 PM
OFF TOPIC :mad: :mad: :mad:

wedo
09-17-2006, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Did you not read the post RIGHT UNDERNEATH THAT ONE???

STOP with the political crap!!!!!!!


That was the last one i promise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

Paratrooper
09-17-2006, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by carter08
OFF TOPIC :mad: :mad: :mad:

Your right......sorry

SintonFan
09-17-2006, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by wedo
That was the last one i promise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)
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Gotta get the last word in.:p
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I'm going to find out how high the price of gas is down the road to get this back on topic.:)

slpybear the bullfan
09-17-2006, 03:40 PM
Keep it off the politics. Please.

Now..... to get us back on topic, drumroll please....


$2.09 this morning in Mineral Wells as I was driving back from Doss.

WOOHOO!!!!

Keith7
09-17-2006, 04:05 PM
4.23 in Decatur

carter08
09-17-2006, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by Keith7
4.23 in Decatur

ARE YOU SERIOUS :eek:

Keith7
09-17-2006, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by carter08
ARE YOU SERIOUS :eek:

No i made that up.. but who cares what the gas is on the other side of the state?? Maybe people should be worried why the gas prices are so high in the first place!! go to those websites we provided and find out what the gas prices are all across the nation if u really care..

Paratrooper
09-17-2006, 06:11 PM
I think Hawaii is the highest

MagicMan
09-17-2006, 06:47 PM
theres a little competition going on in victoria. its down to 1.70 at some stations.

Bull's-eye
09-17-2006, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by MagicMan
theres a little competition going on in victoria. its down to 1.70 at some stations.

I love a little competition:thumbsup:

SintonFan
09-18-2006, 01:13 AM
Originally posted by Keith7
No i made that up.. but who cares what the gas is on the other side of the state?? Maybe people should be worried why the gas prices are so high in the first place!! go to those websites we provided and find out what the gas prices are all across the nation if u really care..
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Last word whore! :eek: :p
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It was $2.43 down the road from me. At the Wal-mart on Bandera this evening(about 6 miles from me the price was $2.24 for cash).

shankbear
09-18-2006, 01:25 PM
Well it was too good to last. the price of a barrel of oil has climbed over a dollar today. Who will be the first to lay blame and upon whom will they lay it?

Is it the FatCats? Bigoil? Speculators?

pirate44
09-18-2006, 01:26 PM
$2.09 on the hill and several other i37 (cc area) locations

piratebg
09-18-2006, 01:26 PM
I think it was 2.19 or 2.16 in Sinton this morning and 2.13 in Portland. I may be wrong though. As long as it keeps going down, I don't care. It's better than 2.89 or whatever it was 2 weeks ago.

District303aPastPlayer
09-18-2006, 01:27 PM
had friends tell me it was 2.03 at some places in corpus...

BHBrave08
09-18-2006, 01:28 PM
I saw gas for $2.05 in Baytown yesterday.

pirate44
09-18-2006, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer
had friends tell me it was 2.03 at some places in corpus...
the ones on baldwin between crosstown and ayers are always cheaper. i think its been 2.03 there for a while. ive just been forgetting to post it.

Sweetwater96
09-18-2006, 01:40 PM
Hmmm, it's $1.99 up here! WOOHOO

Paratrooper
09-18-2006, 11:10 PM
Originally posted by Sweetwater96
Hmmm, it's $1.99 up here! WOOHOO

Man NC is higher than both Texas and Misso

pirate44
09-26-2006, 07:05 AM
$1.98 several places in Corpus CHristi.

AggieJohn
09-26-2006, 07:12 AM
i saw 2.01 last night

pirate44
09-26-2006, 07:20 AM
Originally posted by AggieJohn
i saw 2.01 last night
you need to get to the north / west side to sace a few more pennies per gallon

bccards
09-26-2006, 07:26 AM
$1.94 - $1.98 in most places in Beaumont

pirate44
09-26-2006, 07:30 AM
i read that opec wants to slow production to counter the dropping of the price of oil:eek: :eek: are they nuts??!!:mad:

shankbear
09-26-2006, 07:52 AM
Saw gas at the new HEB off Dowlen Rd. in Beaumont for 1.88

JasperDog94
09-26-2006, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by pirate44
i read that opec wants to slow production to counter the dropping of the price of oil:eek: :eek: are they nuts??!!:mad: Nope, just greedy.

bd62
09-26-2006, 11:43 AM
2.06 in Victoria.

fireman1
09-26-2006, 12:30 PM
gas prices are at 2.14 around Wharton

texas'10
09-26-2006, 01:19 PM
i had to write an interesting paper for school about ethics, I found a blog about gas prices, I gave my opinion on it, along with some research. Here is the website. It has the original blog, then my response. Very interesting, worth looking at!!!

http://engineeringethicsblog.blogspot.com/2006/08/when-is-gallon-not-gallon-when-youre.html

WTF-82
09-26-2006, 01:49 PM
1.99 san angelo not.

2.15 at heb