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kepdawg
08-24-2006, 08:54 AM
Astronomers kick Pluto out of cosmic club

08:43 AM CDT on Thursday, August 24, 2006

Associated Press

PRAGUE, Czech Republic - Pity poor Pluto: After decades of being confused with a cartoon dog and enduring ridicule as a puny poser, the solar system's consummate cling-on has officially lost its status as a planet.

Leading astronomers declared Thursday that Pluto is no longer a planet under historic new guidelines that downsize the solar system from nine planets to eight.

After a tumultuous week of clashing over the essence of the cosmos, the International Astronomical Union stripped Pluto of the planetary status it has held since its discovery in 1930. The new definition of what is -- and isn't -- a planet fills a centuries-old black hole for scientists who have labored since Copernicus without one.

Although astronomers applauded after the vote, Jocelyn Bell Burnell -- a specialist in neutron stars from Northern Ireland who oversaw the proceedings -- urged those who might be "quite disappointed" to look on the bright side.

"It could be argued that we are creating an umbrella called 'planet' under which the dwarf planets exist," she said, drawing laughter by waving a stuffed Pluto of Walt Disney fame beneath a real umbrella.

The decision by the prestigious international group spells out the basic tests that celestial objects will have to meet before they can be considered for admission to the elite cosmic club. For now, membership will be restricted to the eight

"classical" planets in the solar system: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune.

Much-maligned Pluto doesn't make the grade under the new rules for a planet: "a celestial body that is in orbit around the sun, has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a ... nearly round shape, and has cleared the neighborhood around its orbit."

Pluto is automatically disqualified because its oblong orbit overlaps with Neptune's.

Instead, it will be reclassified in a new category of "dwarf planets," similar to what long have been termed "minor planets." The definition also lays out a third class of lesser objects that orbit the sun -- "small solar system bodies," a term that will apply to numerous asteroids, comets and other natural satellites.

It was unclear how Pluto's demotion might affect the mission of NASA's New Horizons spacecraft, which earlier this year began a 91/2-year journey to the oddball object to unearth more of its secrets.

The decision at a conference of 2,500 astronomers from 75 countries was a dramatic shift from just a week ago, when the group's leaders floated a proposal that would have reaffirmed Pluto's planetary status and made planets of its largest moon and two other objects.

That plan proved highly unpopular, splitting astronomers into factions and triggering days of sometimes combative debate that led to Pluto's undoing.

Now, two of the objects that at one point were cruising toward possible full-fledged planethood will join Pluto as dwarfs: the asteroid Ceres, which was a planet in the 1800s before it got demoted, and 2003 UB313, an icy object slightly larger than Pluto whose discoverer, Michael Brown of the California Institute of Technology, has nicknamed Xena.

Charon, the largest of Pluto's three moons, is no longer under consideration for any special designation.

Adidas410s
08-24-2006, 08:59 AM
this is life changing stuff indeed!!!

kaorder1999
08-24-2006, 09:00 AM
and we just finished our chapter on the Solar System. Oh well...I'm NOT going back!

PPHSfan
08-24-2006, 09:02 AM
What does this mean for Uranus?

Adidas410s
08-24-2006, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by PPHSfan
What does this mean for Uranus?

it's still holding strong...

Texas-Fight
08-24-2006, 09:22 AM
Everything I have been taught in school was a lie.

Adidas410s
08-24-2006, 09:23 AM
if only that poor little guy didn't have an oblong orbit...what a damn shame...

MHSvarsity2007
08-24-2006, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by Texas-Fight
Everything I have been taught in school was a lie.

i was thinking that same thing haha

AP Panther Fan
08-24-2006, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by Texas-Fight
Everything I have been taught in school was a lie.

my first thought too....kinda sad.

I guess the science project I did last year with my daughter (the solar system) will never be the same. Boy, that project was heck...I would have gladly given up a planet or two that weekend.;)

Phil C
08-24-2006, 10:48 AM
:eek: :(

pirate44
08-24-2006, 10:52 AM
had we known this 75 years ago, would Mickey's dog be names Neptune?? :thinking:

TheDOCTORdre
08-24-2006, 10:56 AM
So people get paid to decide what is and isnt a planet...thats cool

AP Panther Fan
08-24-2006, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by pirate44
had we known this 75 years ago, would Mickey's dog be names Neptune?? :thinking:

It struck me as funny the correlation that Pluto had and still has with cartoon characters....

From Pluto (Mickey's dog) to Pluto (dwarf planet ... Snow White and the 7 Dwarves):rolleyes: ;)

Phil C
08-24-2006, 11:01 AM
What about Mickey Mouse's dog and Popeye's opponent? :(

Phil C
08-24-2006, 11:04 AM
Wait Popeye's opponent was Bluto! (whew!)

AggieJohn
08-24-2006, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by Adidas410s
if only that poor little guy didn't have an oblong orbit...what a damn shame... some one's goign to say that this is poltically incorrect

garageoffice
08-24-2006, 12:11 PM
"It could be argued that we are creating an umbrella called 'planet' under which the dwarf planets exist," she said, drawing laughter by waving a stuffed Pluto of Walt Disney fame beneath a real umbrella.

Boy! That's funny stuff!! :rolleyes: :crazy:

crzyjournalist03
08-24-2006, 03:58 PM
I sure hope they took the time to define what "near circular orbit" means. Otherwise they're going to have a lot of mathematicians saying that an oval is "near" to a circle in definition...I mean, it's not a trapezoid orbit or anything....I'm going to miss you Pluto!!!

Sweetwater96
08-24-2006, 06:41 PM
I think this is very odd. I liked the idea of the planet pluto. I do not understand how something can orbit the sun, have it's own moons, but not be called a planet.

oh well.

SintonFan_inAustin
08-24-2006, 06:45 PM
last i heard they were going to add 2 planets now they subtracting one :)

sinton66
08-24-2006, 06:52 PM
Stupid scientists coming up with another theory. Earth's orbit isn't exactly circular. They found out Pluto existed by how it's orbit affected the other celestial items they could see. How come it didn't dawn on these brainiacs that the OTHER celestial objects would affect Pluto too? The fact that it is in an ORBIT around the sun makes it count, even if it is oval. Dang astronomers must be getting bored.;)

sahen
08-24-2006, 06:58 PM
i think it is funny that the astronomers "split into factions" and got into fights about it....i would have liked to have heard those arguments

MHSvarsity2007
08-24-2006, 07:13 PM
gah. pluto was the best planet. ah well. it's still my favorite even if it is a dwarf planet. :)

Hupernikomen
08-24-2006, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by PPHSfan
What does this mean for Uranus?


There is a big one showing everytime you post.

sinton66
08-24-2006, 07:56 PM
I believe this is an unconstitutional form of "profiling". How about we start a grassroots movement to force Congress to pass a law and declare Pluto vindicated.

Our Battle cry: "FREE PLUTO. OR IT'S URANUS"!!!!! :D

neck_06
08-24-2006, 08:28 PM
i hear they are going to test jupiter for steroids next week.

SintonFan
08-24-2006, 11:10 PM
I still like earth...
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http://img25.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img25&image=f20748701_E8961137_SF3D.swf

sinton66
08-24-2006, 11:13 PM
You need to size that for an avatar.;)

District303aPastPlayer
08-25-2006, 04:03 AM
i just hope they dont piddle with Uranus... that would be weird

BTEXDAD
08-25-2006, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by SintonFan_inAustin
last i heard they were going to add 2 planets now they subtracting one :)
I was about to say the same thing. I think it's a conspiracy among science book editors.

All you college guys, make sure the prof doesn't try to get you with a trick question after this.

Ranger Mom
08-25-2006, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by sinton66


Our Battle cry: "FREE PLUTO. OR IT'S URANUS"!!!!! :D

:clap: :clap: :clap: That was funny Tony!!!:D :D

SnyTigBaseB07
08-25-2006, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by neck_06
i hear they are going to test jupiter for steroids next week.



:D :D

i must have missed that one earlier....
lol niiiiice

IHStangFan
08-26-2006, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by PPHSfan
What does this mean for Uranus? lets just hope Uranus doesnt get invaded

Sandman
08-26-2006, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by sinton66
Our Battle cry: "FREE PLUTO. OR IT'S URANUS"!!!!! :D

I would buy that bumper sticker.

mustang04
08-26-2006, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by kepdawg



Pluto is automatically disqualified because its oblong orbit overlaps with Neptune's.



how bad@$$ would that be if someday they crossed orbits???? that would be one hellacious collision!!!!

Pmoney
08-26-2006, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by sinton66
Our Battle cry: "FREE PLUTO. OR IT'S URANUS"!!!!! :D
that is hilarious:clap: :D