Most Successful 3A Programs

[Adidas410s]

Give me your Top 5 Most Successful 3A Programs. What programs do you see listed at the top of the heap every year...whose names are mentioned as competing for the state title? Remember...I'm asking this on an every year basis and not who your Top 5 teams for 2006.

I would go with this list...

1. Cuero...10 state finals appearances. Enough said...
2. WOS...legendary coach. One of the tops in the state and region every year.
3. Marlin...I was never really impressed when I saw them play...but they were there in December every year.
4. Sweetwater...though some of their older success was in 4A
5. Wylie...I'm trying not to be a homer...but I can't come up with anybody else

Also considered: Caldwell, Liberty Hill, Iowa Park, Vernon, Atlanta, Commerce, and Cameron Yoe

[Sweetwater Red]

Remember...most of WOS's success was in 4A too.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
Remember...most of WOS's success was in 4A too.

I couldn't remember how long they were in 4A or if they had ever been 3A.

[CalallenWildcat]

Must they be 3A as of right now?

[Sweetwater Red]

1 West Orange-Stark.......(182-42-1)
2 Pilot Point......................(181-49-3)
3 Sealy.............................(179-50-0)
4 Sweetwater...................(176-52-2)
5 Commerce......................(175-58-4)


This does not include 2005's W-L record.

[pirate4state]

Snyder
Snyder
Snyder
Snyder
oh and...Snyder

:evillaugh :evillaugh

[Sweetwater Red]

Originally posted by pirate4state
Snyder
Snyder
Snyder
Snyder
oh and...Snyder

:evillaugh :evillaugh

Just when I was leaning towards making Sinton my 6th favorite
team from 30-3A....:D .

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
Just when I was leaning towards making Sinton my 6th favorite
team from 30-3A....:D . I'm crushed...really.... :D

[sww-bull52]

Originally posted by pirate4state
Snyder
Snyder
Snyder
Snyder
oh and...Snyder

:evillaugh :evillaugh

:doh: :doh:

:eyetwitch :eyetwitch

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
1 West Orange-Stark.......(182-42-1)
2 Pilot Point......................(181-49-3)
3 Sealy.............................(179-50-0)
4 Sweetwater...................(176-52-2)
5 Commerce......................(175-58-4)


This does not include 2005's W-L record.

What does it include?

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by CalallenWildcat
Must they be 3A as of right now?

No because I included Marlin on my list who just dropped to 2A. Obviously I didn't include SLC (3A during the 80's to early 90's) or Everman (only 3A for 4 years) because they weren't mainly a 3A program

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
No because I included Marlin on my list who just dropped to 2A. Obviously I didn't include SLC (3A during the 80's to early 90's) or Everman (only 3A for 4 years) because they weren't mainly a 3A program

In that case you should replace WOS.

[CalallenWildcat]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
No because I included Marlin on my list who just dropped to 2A. Obviously I didn't include SLC (3A during the 80's to early 90's) or Everman (only 3A for 4 years) because they weren't mainly a 3A program

Yeah I was wondering about SLC.

[Sweetwater Red]

Originally posted by kepdawg
What does it include?

These are the top five schools who are currently in 3A. This is
their total W-L record over the last 19 years. I was going to
update 2005 myself. But, Dave Campbell has WOS as 12-1 on
one page and 13-1 on another so I said forget it.

[kepdawg]

The schools that come to mind:

Cuero
Daingerfield
Jasper
Marlin
Newton
SLC
Sweetwater
WOS

[kaorder1999]

got to keep in mind that Marlin and Daingerfield are no longer in 3A

[maestro]

Cuero, Sealy, Atlanta,
Refugio was pretty dominant in their day also...
Sweeny had their years also.....

[DU_stud04]

is sweetwater the only team from west texas that is dominant?:confused:

[sww-bull52]

Originally posted by DU_stud04
is sweetwater the only team from west texas that is dominant?:confused:

Frenship's been hot the past few years.

If you go 5a you could look at a few other schools in the past such as Permian, Abilene, etc.

[Sweetwater Red]

Originally posted by DU_stud04
is sweetwater the only team from west texas that is dominant?:confused:

Permian and Lee were but, those days are long gone.

[Old Tiger]

No Particular Order

WO-S
Cameron Yoe
Cuero
Celina
Sweetwater


Those have to be the top 5 active 3a teams

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by kepdawg
In that case you should replace WOS.

I included them because they are now (and for the foreseeable future) a 3A program...and have already had a lot of 3A success. Much like Sweetwater, they were a very successful program before coming into 3A and have continuted their success in 3A.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
Permian and Lee were but, those days are long gone.

don't forget Abilene Cooper. They made the playoffs 13 or 14 straight years...went at least 3 rounds deep 7 or 8 times...numerous D1 players...one state finals appearance.

They had a pretty good run...but the re-drawing of school boundaries has finally left them with a very weak talent pool to draw from.

[hawkfan]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
I couldn't remember how long they were in 4A or if they had ever been 3A.

Actually WOS used to be a 5A school

[Snydertigersrul]

Sweetwater is a good program, but not a top problem. How many team state championships have they won in the last five years? Snyder is the best program in West Texas and their record prove, five state girls championship, three in the last four years, an 800 winning percentage in football, 34 straight appearances in the state baseball playoffs, except for Canyon, they have won more basketball games in the last three years in 3A than any other school and the home of Sonny Cumbie, who led the nation in passing as a senior at Texas Tech and now one of the top quarterbacks in the Arena Football League. That's why the tv cameras from Lubbock came today to Snyder and filimed a feature on Tiger football to kick off the 2006 season. But Sweetwater is No. 1 in one category, the worse fans in the state of Texas.

[Snydertigersrul]

Cuero, you ohave to be kidding. They have choked in the last two years in the playoffs when they had the best talent, but they didn't get the job done on the field. By the way, West Orange Stark is a top program, but they only enter their third season in 3A.

[big daddy russ]

Couldn't decide on just five, so I went with the eight.

Cuero
Yoe
Breckenridge
Atlanta
WO-S
Sweeney
Vernon
Daingerfield

[Snydertigersrul]

What are you smoking? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[RMAC]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
Sweetwater is a good program, but not a top problem. How many team state championships have they won in the last five years? Snyder is the best program in West Texas and their record prove, five state girls championship, three in the last four years, an 800 winning percentage in football, 34 straight appearances in the state baseball playoffs, except for Canyon, they have won more basketball games in the last three years in 3A than any other school and the home of Sonny Cumbie, who led the nation in passing as a senior at Texas Tech and now one of the top quarterbacks in the Arena Football League. That's why the tv cameras from Lubbock came today to Snyder and filimed a feature on Tiger football to kick off the 2006 season. But Sweetwater is No. 1 in one category, the worse fans in the state of Texas.

While I know he didn't say "Football" programs, I think that's what he meant. And assuming that's the case, I can think of oh, I don't know, TWO teams that are ahead of Snyder for the West Texas 3A crown. Now, if I could just remember their name(s). . .

[Snydertigersrul]

NAME THEM AND I KNOW ONE WILL BE SWEETWATER. MMMM, IF THEY ARE SO GREAT, WHY HAVE THEY NOT WON A STATE CHAMPIONSHIP SINCE 1985.

[kepdawg]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
NAME THEM AND I KNOW ONE WILL BE SWEETWATER. MMMM, IF THEY ARE SO GREAT, WHY HAVE THEY NOT WON A STATE CHAMPIONSHIP SINCE 1985.

When's the last time Snyder won one?

[Gobbla2001]

NM I was talkin' out my butt...

[Emerson1]

Crandall
Ferris
Eustace
Kemp

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
What are you smoking? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Who me?

Go back and look up the traditions of those schools. Sure, a couple of them are down right now, but each one of those schools has more state championship appearances than my team (see below).

Take Breck, for example. Probably more tradition at that one school than any other 3A school in the state. In their first-ever trip to the playoffs (1929) they were co-state champs with a Port Arthur squad that was twice as big as they were.

That was a sign of things to come.

Thirty-six playoff appearances (more than anyone in 3A except Hondo) and six championships later, here we are.

[DU_stud04]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
Sweetwater is a good program, but not a top problem. How many team state championships have they won in the last five years? Snyder is the best program in West Texas and their record prove, five state girls championship, three in the last four years, an 800 winning percentage in football, 34 straight appearances in the state baseball playoffs, except for Canyon, they have won more basketball games in the last three years in 3A than any other school and the home of Sonny Cumbie, who led the nation in passing as a senior at Texas Tech and now one of the top quarterbacks in the Arena Football League. That's why the tv cameras from Lubbock came today to Snyder and filimed a feature on Tiger football to kick off the 2006 season. But Sweetwater is No. 1 in one category, the worse fans in the state of Texas.

why dont yall send in yall girls to play football for yall since they are so used to winning...

[RMAC]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
NAME THEM AND I KNOW ONE WILL BE SWEETWATER. MMMM, IF THEY ARE SO GREAT, WHY HAVE THEY NOT WON A STATE CHAMPIONSHIP SINCE 1985.

I'm gonna have to say Wylie on the other. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, I just want to echo what Kepdawg posted last. I really think that SOME, not all by any means, of the Snyder people suffer from what I like to call a superior-inferiority complex, which basically means, they are like the bully on the playground, you know the one I'm talking about too. The one that's not even good at being a bully, and when somebody stands up to him, which happens rather often, he gets mad and just throws a fit.

[DU_stud04]

Originally posted by RMAC
I'm gonna have to say Wylie on the other. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, I just want to echo what Kepdawg posted last. I really think that SOME, not all by any means, of the Snyder people suffer from what I like to call a superior-inferiority complex, which basically means, they are like the bully on the playground, you know the one I'm talking about too. The one that's not even good at being a bully, and when somebody stands up to him, which happens rather often, he gets mad and just throws a fit.

so in other words....a big cry baby?

[RMAC]

Ya hit the nail on the head.

[oh well]

Tigersrule sure sounds a whole lot like BM. Or is it just me?

[Snydertigersrul]

Black Magic is the smartest person on this board, other than myself. Fact is fact, Snyder beat Wylie two years in a row and knocked Sweetwater out of the playoffs. The Tigers are successful in all of their sports. I believe 21-5 is that bad of a record for the past two years. We do have all of those gold trophies in the trophy case by the girls golf team. Sweetwater has not did anything later except complain. Tatum played its worst game of the season and still beat the Mustangs without any trouble.

[vet93]

Some programs that have a combination of long term success and high winning percentage that have played primarily in 3a are:

Hondo 607-238-31 (+369) 67.22% winning percentage
Mart 609-320-42 (+289) 64.88% winning percentage
Ballinger 571-293-29 (+278) 65.57% winning percentage
Cam. Yoe 587-311-41 (+276) 64.7% winning percentage
Breckenridge 581-308-37 (+273) 64.74% winning percentage
Cuero 597-328-37 (+269) 63.98% winning percentage
Littlefield 533-272-37 (+261) 65.69% winning percentage
Sweetwater 596-337-29 (+259) 63.46% winning percentage

These stats were taken from texashighschoolfootball.com posted by WOS87.

[Snydertigersrul]

Sure, just like all of the Class 1A baseball teams Sweetwater played the last two years and compiled a good record and get their butt kicked once district started.

[WOS87]

This is an updated version of two prior posts updated to include all 2005 records and adjusted to the 2006-2008 alignment

Okay, this actually was quite a lot of work to do. Since 1986 there have been exactly 300 different schools to compete in 3A. 109 of them competed in 3A all 20 seasons and the remaining 191 competed in 3A anywhere from 1 season only (Lubbock Dunbar in 1992) to 18 seasons (35 different schools). The following is a list of the teams with the most wins ONLY while playing as a 3A team (thus the teams who logged 20 out of 20 years in 3A have a huge advantage). Just to make it fair, the other half of the table is highest winning percentages while playing in 3A. This ranking is skewed towards teams that spent fewer seasons playing in 3A (Southlake Carroll racked up that unreal win-loss record in just 8 seasons!). This is not meant to make any statement or make some hidden point to try to tout any specific team or teams... it's just interesting info I thought I'd pass along since several people requested it....

Biggest Winners of the Past 20 Years Counting ONLY Games Played While Competing in 3A
(includes all games through 2005)

http://members.aol.com/cboehme/private/real3a1.gif
http://members.aol.com/cboehme/private/real3a2.gif

The following is a table of current 3A teams (2006-2008 alignment) ranked by most total wins over this decade and the past 10, 20, 30, 40 and 50 years including all games played in every classification
(includes all games through 2005)

6 schools are in all 6 Top 15 rankings: Cameron, Celina, Cuero, Gainesville, Jasper and Sweetwater

http://members.aol.com/cboehme/thsf/3atopten2006.gif

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by WOS87
This is an updated version of two prior posts updated to include all 2005 records and adjusted to the 2006-2008 alignment

Okay, this actually was quite a lot of work to do. Since 1986 there have been exactly 300 different schools to compete in 3A. 109 of them competed in 3A all 20 seasons and the remaining 191 competed in 3A anywhere from 1 season only (Lubbock Dunbar in 1992) to 18 seasons (35 different schools). The following is a list of the teams with the most wins ONLY while playing as a 3A team (thus the teams who logged 20 out of 20 years in 3A have a huge advantage). Just to make it fair, the other half of the table is highest winning percentages while playing in 3A. This ranking is skewed towards teams that spent fewer seasons playing in 3A (Southlake Carroll racked up that unreal win-loss record in just 8 seasons!). This is not meant to make any statement or make some hidden point to try to tout any specific team or teams... it's just interesting info I thought I'd pass along since several people requested it....

Biggest Winners of the Past 20 Years Counting ONLY Games Played While Competing in 3A
(includes all games through 2005)

http://members.aol.com/cboehme/private/real3a1.gif
http://members.aol.com/cboehme/private/real3a2.gif

The following is a table of current 3A teams (2006-2008 alignment) ranked by most total wins over this decade and the past 10, 20, 30, 40 and 50 years including all games played in every classification
(includes all games through 2005)

6 schools are in all 6 Top 15 rankings: Cameron, Celina, Cuero, Gainesville, Jasper and Sweetwater

http://members.aol.com/cboehme/thsf/3atopten2006.gif

:clap: :clap: Awesome stuff!! :thumbsup:

[Old Dog]

I don't get involved in many of these little tiffs, but anyone that doesn't include Cuero as a good program just has his shorts on too tight. When you've been in the State Finals 10 times; that's pretty damn consistent! Who else can boast of such?

[WOS87]

Originally posted by Old Dog
When you've been in the State Finals 10 times; that's pretty damn consistent! Who else can boast of such?

Wichita Falls, Converse Judson and Odessa Permian all can... none of which are 3A programs....

:thumbsup:

[Old Dog]

Tip of the hat to ya! But it's still pretty rare.............

[Tweeder215]

Originally posted by WOS87
This is an updated version of two prior posts updated to include all 2005 records and adjusted to the 2006-2008 alignment

Okay, this actually was quite a lot of work to do. Since 1986 there have been exactly 300 different schools to compete in 3A. 109 of them competed in 3A all 20 seasons and the remaining 191 competed in 3A anywhere from 1 season only (Lubbock Dunbar in 1992) to 18 seasons (35 different schools). The following is a list of the teams with the most wins ONLY while playing as a 3A team (thus the teams who logged 20 out of 20 years in 3A have a huge advantage). Just to make it fair, the other half of the table is highest winning percentages while playing in 3A. This ranking is skewed towards teams that spent fewer seasons playing in 3A (Southlake Carroll racked up that unreal win-loss record in just 8 seasons!). This is not meant to make any statement or make some hidden point to try to tout any specific team or teams... it's just interesting info I thought I'd pass along since several people requested it....

Biggest Winners of the Past 20 Years Counting ONLY Games Played While Competing in 3A
(includes all games through 2005)

http://members.aol.com/cboehme/private/real3a1.gif
http://members.aol.com/cboehme/private/real3a2.gif

The following is a table of current 3A teams (2006-2008 alignment) ranked by most total wins over this decade and the past 10, 20, 30, 40 and 50 years including all games played in every classification
(includes all games through 2005)

6 schools are in all 6 Top 15 rankings: Cameron, Celina, Cuero, Gainesville, Jasper and Sweetwater

http://members.aol.com/cboehme/thsf/3atopten2006.gif




Ya know.....I hate to add fuel to the fire and I really haven't said much the entire off season, I've just been reading but............After all the smack-talking even just on this thread......I didn't see Snyder's name on any of these lists. Just an observation.

[Tweeder215]

and I remember that when the table for all classification wins instead of just 3a were posted originally that if you do only the top 10, that Sweetwater is the only program in all of them. Sorry I guess I'm just kinda ranting but nobody can upset me like a Snyder Tiger

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by RMAC
I'm gonna have to say Wylie on the other. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, I just want to echo what Kepdawg posted last. I really think that SOME, not all by any means, of the Snyder people suffer from what I like to call a superior-inferiority complex, which basically means, they are like the bully on the playground, you know the one I'm talking about too. The one that's not even good at being a bully, and when somebody stands up to him, which happens rather often, he gets mad and just throws a fit. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_5_122.gif

[piratebg]

Originally posted by WOS87
This is an updated version of two prior posts updated to include all 2005 records and adjusted to the 2006-2008 alignment

Okay, this actually was quite a lot of work to do. Since 1986 there have been exactly 300 different schools to compete in 3A. 109 of them competed in 3A all 20 seasons and the remaining 191 competed in 3A anywhere from 1 season only (Lubbock Dunbar in 1992) to 18 seasons (35 different schools). The following is a list of the teams with the most wins ONLY while playing as a 3A team (thus the teams who logged 20 out of 20 years in 3A have a huge advantage). Just to make it fair, the other half of the table is highest winning percentages while playing in 3A. This ranking is skewed towards teams that spent fewer seasons playing in 3A (Southlake Carroll racked up that unreal win-loss record in just 8 seasons!). This is not meant to make any statement or make some hidden point to try to tout any specific team or teams... it's just interesting info I thought I'd pass along since several people requested it....

Biggest Winners of the Past 20 Years Counting ONLY Games Played While Competing in 3A
(includes all games through 2005)

http://members.aol.com/cboehme/private/real3a1.gif
http://members.aol.com/cboehme/private/real3a2.gif

The following is a table of current 3A teams (2006-2008 alignment) ranked by most total wins over this decade and the past 10, 20, 30, 40 and 50 years including all games played in every classification
(includes all games through 2005)

6 schools are in all 6 Top 15 rankings: Cameron, Celina, Cuero, Gainesville, Jasper and Sweetwater

http://members.aol.com/cboehme/thsf/3atopten2006.gif


WOS87 you've really done your homework for the past 50yrs. Very nice job. :clap: :clap: :clap:

I knew that Sinton had been pretty good in the past 10yrs, but I had no idea that they would make the cut for the past 50 yrs.

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by Old Dog
I don't get involved in many of these little tiffs, but anyone that doesn't include Cuero as a good program just has his shorts on too tight.
:clap: :clap: :thumbsup:

[Black_Magic]

I know some people dont want to here this because it will make some look foolish, BUT! I dont recall ANYONE saying Snyder was one of the most successful 3A football programs in the state when it comes to histroy....... PLEASE Quote me or any other Poster from snyder who contends that Snyder is one of the most successful 3A football programs of all times. Its Sweetwater folks who want to talk histroy around here for clear reasons. This all started because some big mouths from wylie and Sweetwater wanted to badmouth Snyder football ( as they allways do ) and I simply pointed out how successful Snyder football is. I pointied out that Snyder has a very successful program I illistrated my point by showing that SNYDER has been to the state Quarter Finals two out ot the last three years and to the semifinals once. in the last couple of years Snyder has a win loss record of 21-5. I pointed out that Snyder beat Wylie TWO years in a row ( because of Adidas contention that Snyder does not have a succesful footbal program. He and sweetwater fans dont want to accept that( cant stand it being crowded at the top i guess). They want to Spout off wins and loses from the post WWI 1920s :rolleyes: like it has ANY relivance to the question if a team is good or successful NOW ...... I could Give a rip about any historical win loss from 15-25 years ago.... It has NO impact at all to the question of a team being good NOW! Look at the figures in the last 4-5 years.. those tell you more than anything about a football team in the HERE AND NOW

[vet93]

BM...Typically the only ones that don't want to talk about history are the ones that don't have a great one. Historical data does not win games...BUT...it is important to communities because it represents one generation handing down a history of excellence to another. It is a source of community pride. In most cases those teams that have been mentioned in this thread did not get there by having superior athletes year in and year out...it is because a culture within the community has been developed for excellence that carries down and expected in successive generations. If this was not the case then all teams would have a .500 winning percentage. Communities can change...Take Abilene Wylie for instance...they have established a tradition of winning that started about 20 years ago. Before then, their history was forgettable. The only question that will have to be answered in the future is...can they do it without Hugh...but they certainly have a good start. Any team can have a good run...but sustaining things over the long haul when good players and good coaches come and go is something to be admired.


Originally posted by Black_Magic
I know some people dont want to here this because it will make some look foolish, BUT! I dont recall ANYONE saying Snyder was one of the most successful 3A football programs in the state when it comes to histroy....... PLEASE Quote me or any other Poster from snyder who contends that Snyder is one of the most successful 3A football programs of all times. Its Sweetwater folks who want to talk histroy around here for clear reasons. This all started because some big mouths from wylie and Sweetwater wanted to badmouth Snyder football ( as they allways do ) and I simply pointed out how successful Snyder football is. I pointied out that Snyder has a very successful program I illistrated my point by showing that SNYDER has been to the state Quarter Finals two out ot the last three years and to the semifinals once. in the last couple of years Snyder has a win loss record of 21-5. I pointed out that Snyder beat Wylie TWO years in a row ( because of Adidas contention that Snyder does not have a succesful footbal program. He and sweetwater fans dont want to accept that( cant stand it being crowded at the top i guess). They want to Spout off wins and loses from the post WWI 1920s :rolleyes: like it has ANY relivance to the question if a team is good or successful NOW ...... I could Give a rip about any historical win loss from 15-25 years ago.... It has NO impact at all to the question of a team being good NOW! Look at the figures in the last 4-5 years.. those tell you more than anything about a football team in the HERE AND NOW

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Look at the figures in the last 4-5 years.. those tell you more than anything about a football team in the HERE AND NOW

Where is Snyder at on these lists again??? I'm just not seeing them...:thinking: :thinking:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5976/real3a1ze6.gif

Maybe I'm losing it...but I see Wylie tied for the Most Wins in 3A since 2000 (my records show them with 65 wins) and Sweetwater in 6th...only 4 few wins than Wylie. This list goes all the way down to #20 at only 51 wins...yet I don't see Snyder anywhere on the list! :thinking: So really...let's talk about everything since 2000. Here is what Wylie has since then:

2000
District Champs
State Finalists
14-1
2001
Distict Champs
10-1
2002
District Champs
Bi-District Champs
9-3
2003
District Champs (w/ Ballinger)
State Semifinalists
9-5
2004
District Champs (w/ Sweetwater & Snyder)
State Champs
12-3
2005
District Champs (w/ Sweetwater & Snyder)
State Quarterfinals
10-3

2000-2005 Record: 64-16 (80% winning percentage)
00-05 Playoff Record: 15-5 (75% winning percentage)

For Sweetwater...here is what I have and feel free to correct any info:

2000
District Runner-Up
Bi-District Champs
8-4
2001
District Third Place
Bi-District Champs
9-3
2002
District Champs (w/ Snyder)
State Quarterfinals
10-4
2003
District Champs
Regional Semifinalist
9-3
2004
District Champs (w/ Wylie and Snyder)
State Quarterfinals
11-3
2005
District Champs (w/ Wylie and Snyder)
State Semifinals
13-2

2000-2005 Record: 60-19 (76% winning percentage)
00-05 Playoff Record: 14-6 (70% winning percentage)


For Snyder...here is what I have and again feel free to correct any info:

2000In Class 4A
No playoffs
6-4
2001In Class 4A
No playoffs
6-4
2002
District Champs (w/ Sweetwater)
Lost 1st round of playoffs
6-5
2003
State Quarterfinals (lost to Wylie)
8-5
2004
District Champs (w/ Sweetwater & Wylie)
State Semifinals
12-3
2005
District Champs (w/ Sweetwater & Wylie)
Lost 1st round of playoffs
9-2

2000-2005 Record: 47-23 (67% winning percentage)
00-05 Playoff Record: 6-4 (60% winning percentage)

So there are the numbers in the last 5 years. Let's talk about them shall we Blackie??? It clearly has Wylie 1st, Sweetwater 2nd, and Snyder 3rd. Whether you look at total wins, playoff wins, total win %, playoff win %. Snyder still comes in a distant third. Welcome to your inferiority complex! :thumbsup:

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by vet93
Any team can have a good run...but sustaining things over the long haul when good players and good coaches come and go is something to be admired.

true...true...

Vet...I admire teams that can sustain things over the long haul! :thumbsup:

[Sweetwater Red]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
Where is Snyder at on these lists again??? I'm just not seeing them...:thinking: :thinking:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5976/real3a1ze6.gif

Maybe I'm losing it...but I see Wylie tied for the Most Wins in 3A since 2000 (my records show them with 65 wins) and Sweetwater in 6th...only 4 few wins than Wylie. This list goes all the way down to #20 at only 51 wins...yet I don't see Snyder anywhere on the list! :thinking: So really...let's talk about everything since 2000. Here is what Wylie has since then:

2000
District Champs
State Finalists
15-1
2001
Distict Champs
10-1
2002
District Champs
Bi-District Champs
9-2
2003
District Champs (w/ Ballinger)
State Semifinalists
9-5
2004
District Champs (w/ Sweetwater & Snyder)
State Champs
12-3
2005
District Champs (w/ Sweetwater & Snyder)
State Quarterfinals
10-3

2000-2005 Record: 65-15 (81% winning percentage)WOS87 shows Wylie at 64-16
00-05 Playoff Record: 15-5 (75% winning percentage)

For Sweetwater...here is what I have and feel free to correct any info:

2000
District Runner-Up
Bi-District Champs
8-4
2001
District Third Place
Bi-District Champs
9-3
2002
District Champs (w/ Snyder)
State Quarterfinals
10-4
2003
District Champs
Regional Semifinalist
9-3
2004
District Champs (w/ Wylie and Snyder)
State Quarterfinals
11-3
2005
District Champs (w/ Wylie and Snyder)
State Semifinals
13-2

2000-2005 Record: 60-19 (76% winning percentage)
00-05 Playoff Record: 14-6 (70% winning percentage)





For Snyder...here is what I have and again feel free to correct any info:

2000In Class 4A
No playoffs
6-4
2001In Class 4A
No playoffs
6-4
2002
District Champs (w/ Sweetwater)
Lost 1st round of playoffs
6-5
2003
State Quarterfinals (lost to Wylie)
8-5
2004
District Champs (w/ Sweetwater & Wylie)
State Semifinals
12-3
2005
District Champs (w/ Sweetwater & Wylie)
Lost 1st round of playoffs
9-2

2000-2005 Record: 47-23 (67% winning percentage)
00-05 Playoff Record: 6-4 (60% winning percentage)

So there are the numbers in the last 5 years. Let's talk about them shall we Blackie??? It clearly has Wylie 1st, Sweetwater 2nd, and Snyder 3rd. Whether you look at total wins, playoff wins, total win %, playoff win %. Snyder still comes in a distant third. Welcome to your inferiority complex! :thumbsup:

Can't get anymore clearer than that...

But, keep in mind it's like Albert Einstein trying to explain the
theory of relativity to Forrest Gump and his friend Bubba. :D

[WOS87]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
Here is what Wylie has since then:

2000
District Champs
State Finalists
15-1
2002
District Champs
Bi-District Champs
9-2

2000-2005 Record: 65-15 (81% winning percentage)WOS87 shows Wylie at 64-16
00-05 Playoff Record: 15-5 (75% winning percentage)


Wylie was in the Division I playoffs in 2000 so only played 15 total games that season (10-0 regular season + 4-1 playoffs) and went 14-1

2002 they played 12 games total losing to Aledo and Sweetwater pre-district and then Everman in the playoffs (8-2 regular season + 1-1 playoffs) going 9-3. That's where my one less win and one extra loss are.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by WOS87
Wylie was in the Division I playoffs in 2000 so only played 15 total games that season (10-0 regular season + 4-1 playoffs) and went 14-1

2002 they played 12 games total losing to Aledo and Sweetwater pre-district and then Everman in the playoffs (8-2 regular season + 1-1 playoffs) going 9-3. That's where my one less win and one extra loss are.

K thanks for that correction. I just couldn't figure out where my errors were at.

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by vet93
Historical data does not win games TRUE .. TRUE.. Too bad that history deal didnt help Wylie Vs Snyder the last couple of years:eek:

You do have mistakes adidas. Snyder has been 3A for 4 years. and are 35-15 in 3A That Makes them 70% according to your logic. Playoffs every year. but you keep saying thats not succesful. It looks silly. By your standard Greenwood would not be succesful either.. Either would canyon... BUT HEY! succesful enough to hand wylie thier A$$e$ the last two years in a row:p . And that Chaps yours:clap:

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
TRUE .. TRUE..


Originally posted by Black_Magic
Look at the figures in the last 4-5 years.. those tell you more than anything about a football team in the HERE AND NOW

:thinking: :thinking:

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
:thinking: :thinking: It's a tricky one!!! :D :D

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by pirate4state
It's a tricky one!!! :D :D

Maybe we should have Admin change Blackie's name to Flip Flop!!! :eek:

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
Maybe we should have Admin change Blackie's name to Flip Flop!!! :eek: :thinking: hmmmmm......

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
TRUE .. TRUE.. Too bad that history deal didnt help Wylie Vs Snyder the last couple of years:eek:

You do have mistakes adidas. Snyder has been 3A for 4 years. and are 35-15 in 3A That Makes them 70% according to your logic. Playoffs every year. but you keep saying thats not succesful. It looks silly. By your standard Greenwood would not be succesful either.. Either would canyon... BUT HEY! succesful enough to hand wylie thier A$$e$ the last two years in a row:p . And that Chaps yours Bleacher Creature:clap: Dont sweat it Adidas, Wylie is still the best 4A school in all of 3A and has been for a long time. :p

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
TRUE .. TRUE.. Too bad that history deal didnt help Wylie Vs Snyder the last couple of years:eek:

You do have mistakes adidas. Snyder has been 3A for 4 years. and are 35-15 in 3A That Makes them 70% according to your logic. Playoffs every year. but you keep saying thats not succesful. It looks silly. By your standard Greenwood would not be succesful either.. Either would canyon... BUT HEY! succesful enough to hand wylie thier A$$e$ the last two years in a row:p . And that Chaps yours:clap:

I did list Snyder as having been in 3A the past 4 years...so that wasn't a mistake. As you will see, I notated that Snyder was in 4A in 2000 and 2001.

Since 2000 and 2001 evidently don't fit into what you want to see...I'm sure you won't mind if we take a look at the last 4 years...aka "Snyder's Glory Years!" :rolleyes:

Wylie is 40-13 (76% winning pct) and 11-3 (79% winning pct) in the playoffs.

Sweetwater is 43-12 (78% winning pct) and 12-4 (75% winning pct) in the playoffs.

Snyder is 35-15 (70% winning pct) and 6-4 (60% winning pct) in the playoffs.

That still has Snyder below Wylie and Sweetwater. And no...beating Wylie by 4 pts and 3 pts isnt (as you put it) "handing them their ass"...that's called a hard fought, well-earned victory.

This would be a better example of getting your ass handed to you...
http://web.reporter-news.com/gfn121104/10.jpg
http://www.snyder.esc14.net/administration/collins/0405/Football/Varsity/SemifinalsGilmer/4th%20Qtr/d5.jpg

[Adidas410s]

and don't go dragging Greenwood into this story. We all know that they have had some down years since their run to the finals but I'm not going to do that to Ranger Mom. I actually value what she has to say...she knows how to make a point and back it up! :thumbsup:

[Black_Magic]

Dee Walker Had 148 yards Rushing Vs Gilmer and 162 Vs Wylie.. over 2800 yards rushing for hte year.. a wylie back ever do that??? BTW if you Gota bring up someone elses handy work to come back it showes weakness.. GIlmer would have realy put it to wylie big time and there would be alot less rings floating around wylie HS if you had to meet them .. Instead you had the easyer road to the final.

Im not bringing anyone into this. Im just stateing a fact. According to your same logic Monahans, Canyon, and Greenwood are not sucessful programs either.. thats just stupid. and you know it. Keep trying Bleacher Creature!:p

[Black_Magic]

Hey adidas This called getting TRUCKED!! "GET OFF ME PUNK!"http://www.snyder.esc14.net/administration/collins/0506/Football/AbileneWylie05/2nd%20Half/e5.jpg
and the more relivant schorboard pic;) http://www.snyder.esc14.net/administration/collins/0506/Football/AbileneWylie05/2nd%20Half/h1.jpg :D :D :D

[Snydertigersrul]

Adias, you need to get ALL of your facts correct before making an observation. You are definitely anit-Snyder, which probably means youo are a Sweetwater grad. The bottom line is that Snyder ranks among the top 3A schools. They will have a young team this year and already considered a Top 10 team. Wylie is a 4A school who happens to find someway around the UIL rules to remain 3A. Everyone knows that, but no one can prove it. Greenwood and Andrews are traditional strong programs, but they have been down a little in the last few years. At least we aren't talking about a 1920 Greenwood or Andrews team. Get back in the bleachers where you belong with Sweetwater Red and the rest of your buddies. TIGERS RULE. If youi don't believe check out the scoreboard after the Wylie game. I can't wait for Wylie and Sweetwater to play this year and see what kind of excuses you come up with. Meanwhile, I'll watch from high above.

[Bullaholic]

Snydertigersrul....Have you ever lived in Graham recently? Do you love track and OU? :D ;)

[Snydertigersrul]

I've never lived there or have no intentions to move there. I HATE THE SOONERS WITH THE SAME PASSION AS THE SWEETWATER MUSTANGS. HOOKEN HORNS

[RMAC]

Ya know BM, you're right, Canyon, then Decatur, and Cuero is an easy road to a ring, you're absolutely correct. Just save yourself from putting the "I'm an idiot" sign on your back and don't say anything. This happens every week on here. It's just this perpetual cycle. GET OVER IT!!! Snyder wins 2 games against Wylie and it's like the epitome of all that Snyder football has ever been. You can't look and those numbers and truely believe that Snyder has been more successful; not unless 70 is bigger than 76. And to Snydertigersrul, first, he didn't go to Sweetwater, that's why he has a picture of WYLIE in the finals game, duh!!! and Second, those numbers are right. I know the guy pretty well and I can tell you that he prides himself on having the facts correct before he presents them. (I think that's so he doesn't make an a$$ of himself in front of the rest of the board, Just a thought)

[RMAC]

better post it twice so that it sinks in...

[RMAC]

nah...I'll just make it 3 times! :thumbsup:

Maybe I should go write it in ALL CAPS and w/o much punctuation. That will make it easier to read! :rolleyes:

[Snyder_TigerFan]

Originally posted by RMAC
(I think that's so he doesn't make an a$$ of himself in front of the rest of the board, Just a thought)

You mean kinda like posting the same thing 3 times? ;) :D

[RMAC]

Originally posted by Snyder_TigerFan
You mean kinda like posting the same thing 3 times? ;) :D

sometimes you gotta drive the point home! :thumbsup:

[Sweetwater Red]

Originally posted by RMAC
Ya know BM, you're right, Canyon, then Decatur, and Cuero is an easy road to a ring, you're absolutely correct. Just save yourself from putting the "I'm an idiot" sign on your back and don't say anything. This happens every week on here. It's just this perpetual cycle. GET OVER IT!!! Snyder wins 2 games against Wylie and it's like the epitome of all that Snyder football has ever been. You can't look and those numbers and truely believe that Snyder has been more successful; not unless 70 is bigger than 76. And to Snydertigersrul, first, he didn't go to Sweetwater, that's why he has a picture of WYLIE in the finals game, duh!!! and Second, those numbers are right. I know the guy pretty well and I can tell you that he prides himself on having the facts correct before he presents them. (I think that's so he doesn't make an a$$ of himself in front of the rest of the board, Just a thought)

Boy you're not kidding about Adidas and that last sentence.
A few times I have voiced my opinion and he asked me to
back it up with facts and I was not ready for it...:doh: :D

[Adidas410s]

Nobody remembers what you do in September and October Blackie...it's November and ESPECIALLY December that count!!! I know you can't accept it...but that's the reality of the situation! :thumbsup:

Let's use pictures to portray the differences between Snyder and Wylie...since evidently factual numbers were a little bit too far over the head of some our Snyder faithful. Notice that other than jersey color, there isn't much difference in the Snyder victory pictures. To a 2nd tier program like Snyder...every win against a good team is a "big win."

Snyder after a win in October...
http://www.snyder.esc14.net/administration/collins/0405/Football/Varsity/Abilene%20Wylie/4-F.jpg

Wylie after a win in October...
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/8810/wyliejq0.jpg

Snyder after a loss in October…
http://www.snyder.esc14.net/administration/collins/0405/Football/Varsity/Sweetwater/h3.jpg

Wylie after a loss in October…
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/1586/wyliees7.jpg

Snyder after a win in December...
http://www.snyder.esc14.net/administration/collins/0405/Football/Varsity/QFSweetwater/Postgame/b5.jpg

Wylie after a win in December...
http://web.reporter-news.com/gfn121004/023.jpg

Snyder after a loss in December...
http://web.reporter-news.com/gfn121104/07.jpg

Wylie after a loss in December...
http://texnews.com/documents/gfn/slideshows/gfn112505/057.jpg

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
Boy you're not kidding about Adidas and that last sentence.
A few times I have voiced my opinion and he asked me to
back it up with facts and I was not ready for it...:doh: :D

hehe...I don't make the facts...I just state 'em! ;)

[Adidas410s]

knocking this one off the sticky list...

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
knocking this one off the sticky list...

nm...it stayed up here for some reason. The other thread I replied to fell off the list after my reply...:thinking:

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
knocking this one off the sticky list...
You have no control. :evilgrin:

[AggieJohn]

what's up with the peace sign

[Tiger Baseball]

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_17_10.gif Adidass have some compasion we are not all blackies or bubba. Its a good thing you don't have a boss so you can sit and look all this up!

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Tiger Baseball
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_17_10.gif Adidass have some compasion we are not all blackies or bubba. Its a good thing you don't have a boss so you can sit and look all this up!

LOL...I have been directing my posts towards Blackie because I like most of the posters from there. I have known Lance Day and his family for about 7 years and have followed (and officiated) some of his games and enjoying following his progress.

I just love to pick on the ignorance of Blackie and his coherts.

[Tiger Baseball]

Good Choice, I love my Snyder but sometimes I get on here I just want to crawl under a rock.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
Adias, you need to get ALL of your facts correct before making an observation. You are definitely anit-Snyder, which probably means youo are a Sweetwater grad. The bottom line is that Snyder ranks among the top 3A schools. They will have a young team this year and already considered a Top 10 team. Wylie is a 4A school who happens to find someway around the UIL rules to remain 3A. Everyone knows that, but no one can prove it. Greenwood and Andrews are traditional strong programs, but they have been down a little in the last few years. At least we aren't talking about a 1920 Greenwood or Andrews team. Get back in the bleachers where you belong with Sweetwater Red and the rest of your buddies. TIGERS RULE. If youi don't believe check out the scoreboard after the Wylie game. I can't wait for Wylie and Sweetwater to play this year and see what kind of excuses you come up with. Meanwhile, I'll watch from high above.

1. Please point out any inaccuracies in my statements. I have asked you and Blackie to do that every time that you have called me out...and you have yet to be able to do so. Once you do...I'll be happy to admit any mistakes that I have made.

2. As RMAC stated, it's obvious I'm not a Sweetwater grad and everybody else on here knows that. A little bit of common sense would allow you to figure that out.

3. Actually....Snyder hasn't been considered a Top 10 team. They have been ranked in the 11-20 range in the polls that I have seen...but have yet to crack the Top 10 in any preseason poll.

4. Your quote about Wylie being a 4A that somehow stays 3A and that everybody knows it but nobody can prove it...that was priceless!! :clap: :clap: :clap: I want to nominate that for funniest/dumbest/ROFL quote of the year. Heck...we may have to make an extra catagory in the Lowie awards just so that dumbass remark can win an award!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

5. Yes...I have yet to disagree with you that Snyder beat Wylie. However, maybe Snyder should learn to not get so worked up over regular season games and start focusing on the season that REALLY counts...the playoffs! How did things go against Wylie when you played them in the playoffs??? :thinking: How did things go against Gilmer when you played them in the playoffs???:thinking: How did things go against Monahans when you played them in the playoffs??? :thinking:

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Tiger Baseball
Good Choice, I love my Snyder but sometimes I get on here I just want to crawl under a rock.

fortunately...the few Wylie crazies that have shown up on here have gotten themselves ROM'd in a short amount of time. These guys are just dumb enough to not break any obvious rules and thus be allowed to hang around.

[Black_Magic]

Look You continually Back track over and over and change your tune Adidas and RED.. I made a very simple statement.. IN responce you YOUR BAD MOUTHING of SNYDER,..... WHAT WAS THAT STATEMENT???? I made the observation that Snyder was a very successful fooball program.. YOU first say NO THEY ARE NOT!!..... THEN you CHANGE your mouthing to state that they are not in the "TOP 5 most succesful programs in HISTORY".. WHO EVER SAID SNYDER WAS????:doh: NOW you are apparently saying they are successful I guess but not as succesfull as Sweetwater and Wylie from what your saying...... Make up your mind.. IF a program in 3A with a total win loss of 70% Two trips to the Regional FINAL one trip to theState Semi Final in the only 4 years they have been in 3A st is not successful then you Just said that about teams Like Graham, Canyon, Greenwood, Monahans as well. All of those teams I would consider succesfull teams.. Make up your Mind. Take a stance and stick to it instead of back tracking like you have. Or stick to being a spectator and leave Football to folks who know the sport. Its ok. If it were not for folks like you Beating Wylie would not have been so SWEET :kiss:

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
4. Your quote about Wylie being a 4A that somehow stays 3A and that everybody knows it but nobody can prove it...that was priceless!! :clap: :clap: :clap: I want to nominate that for funniest/dumbest/ROFL quote of the year. Heck...we may have to make an extra catagory in the Lowie awards just so that dumbass remark can win an award!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

EVERYONE KNOWES IT.. GOD are the only people that dont think this from Wylie?? LOL the 4A deal and WYLIE has been the biggest joke around the coaching comunity for YEARS.... What is Funny is you guys Scrambling to do it. ITS OK;) SNYDER Just has To get MORE MILES PER PLAYER out of its Football Team to beat you. JUST LIKE THEY HAVE DONE;) Keep Predending about it not bothering you. that make it really funny:clap: OR just keep Pretending it does not happen. mayber someone will believe it.

Here is a Picture of the team after beating Wylie at home in 2004.. Sorry Could not give you one of the score board because it burned WYLIE so bad they turned the scoreboard OFF the second the game ended they were so pissed about ithttp://www.snyder.esc14.net/administration/collins/0405/Football/Varsity/Abilene%20Wylie/4-E.jpg

[Sweetwater Red]

Those kids didn't have those same expressions after playing us
last year. Why is that BM? Do you know? :thinking:

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
Those kids didn't have those same expressions after playing us
last year. Why is that BM? Do you know? :thinking:
seriously...how many "winning teams" gather around for big team photos win the win a regular season game??? Oh that's right...the ones that aren't used to winning on a consistent basis! :eek: :eek:

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Look You continualy Bacc track over and over and change your tune Adidas and RED.. I made a very simple statement.. IN responce you YOUR BAD MOUTHING of SNYDER,..... WHAT WAS THAT STATEMENT???? I made the observation that Snyder was a very successful fooball program.. YOU first say NO THEY ARE NOT!!..... THEN you CHANGE your mouthing to state that they are not in the "TOP 5 most succesful programs in HISTORY".. WHO EVER SAID SNYDER WAS????:doh: NOW you are apparently saying they are successful I guess but not as succesfull as Sweetwater and Wylie from what your saying...... Make up your mind.. IF a program in 3A with a total win loss of 70% Two trips to the Regional FINAL one trip to theState Semi Final in the only 4 years they have been in 3A st is not successful then you Just said that about teams Like Graham, Canyon, Greenwood, Monahans as well. All of those teams I would consider succesfull teams.. Make up your Mind. Take a stance and stick to it instead of back tracking like you have. Or stick to being a spectator and leave Football to folks who know the sport. Its ok. If it were not for folks like you Beating Wylie would not have been so SWEET :kiss:

1. I stated that Snyder was a WINNING team and NOT a successful team. There is a difference. Winning occurs over a few year span...like when a school has a good bunch of players in a couple of classes and wins a lot for a few years. Success is measured over a longer period of time.

Look at Gilmer...they went from being a team that would go 5-5 to 7-3 and sometimes make the playoffs to going 13-1, 16-0, and 10-2 the past 3 seasons. Right now they are a winning program.

A successful program is similar to a dynasty. They win consistently for an extended period of time...not just 3 or 4 years. As Vet pointed out...until 20-25 years ago, nobody really thought much of Wylie. Now, they are considered one of the top programs in 3A every year because of their consistent success over a long period of time. If Snyder is still putting out these same type of results in 10 years...then I would consider them a successful program.

I'm sorry that you don't agree with my definitions...I just see that there is a difference between a "winning team" and a "successful program." It's like comparing Enron (a winning stock) to a Wal-Mart, Dell or Microsoft (successful stocks). Enron had a short period where they were doing very well (ignore that much of it was false) as a company...but that time came to an end (ignore why it came to an end). WM, Dell, and MSFT have been stocks that have performed very well for a long time (20+ years) and have proven that they can "win" on a consistent basis...thus being considered successful.

2. Where did I ever ask if Snyder was one of the Top 5 Most Successful Teams ever??? Please show me where I specifically said that. I said that people wouldn't consider Snyder one of the successful programs of 3A...and I started a thread asking people to name what programs they would tab as "Most Successful 3A Programs" (notice how nobody had Snyder in their list? ;) )...but I didn't expressly ask that question.

3. I have nothing to make up my mind about. Go read what you wrote again...(this is copied straight from your post)

BM: I made the observation that Snyder was a very successful fooball program..
Adidas:YOU first say NO THEY ARE NOT!!...
NOTE: My comment about them being one of the most successful teams was irrellevent to what we are talking about now...I was simply discussing is Snyder a winning team or a successful team. Don't try and change the subject!!
Adidas:NOW you are apparently saying they are successful I guess but not as succesfull as Sweetwater and Wylie from what your saying...... Make up your mind..
NOTE: Where did I say that Snyder was successful? I have never once said that. I have held consistent on my position that they are a winning team...not a successful program. IF YOU CAN PROVE ME WRONG ON THIS STATEMENT...I WILL NOT POST ON THE DOWNLOW UNTIL AUGUST 1ST (other than the Lowie Awards that I have to do for Russ the next few days!)

4. Show me where Graham, Greenwood, Canyon and Monahans have been making multiple trips to the Regional Finals and State Semifinals in the past few years?
- Graham...lost in the 1st round of the playoffs 6 years in a row before not making it last year.
- Greenwood...made it to the State Finals in 2002...has lost in the 1st round in 03, 04, and 05.
- Monahans...made the Regional Finals in 2005...that's as close as they have been since 97 or 98 when they beat #1 Breckenridge in the Regional Semifinals.
- Canyon...has lost to Wylie in the second round of the playoffs in 04 and 05 after dropping down from 4A (where they weren't a playoff team).

Snyder is on a level above the aforementioned teams. Don't drag yourself down to that level or try to deflect the discussion that way. I'm talking about Snyder...not those other schools.

5. Show me where I have backtracked on my statements. Also, show me where I have transparent hate for Snyder. That was the first accusation you made against me yesterday...I've called you on it 3 times and you have yet to prove it. I'm still waiting...

[DaHop72]

I'm moving to Switzerland or Sweden.:evillaugh :evillaugh

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
EVERYONE KNOWES IT.. GOD are the only people that dont think this from Wylie?? LOL the 4A deal and WYLIE has been the biggest joke around the coaching comunity for YEARS.... What is Funny is you guys Scrambling to do it. ITS OK;) SNYDER Just has To get MORE MILES PER PLAYER out of its Football Team to beat you. JUST LIKE THEY HAVE DONE;) Keep Predending about it not bothering you. that make it really funny:clap: OR just keep Pretending it does not happen. mayber someone will believe it.


All I have to say is this...

stop talking about the what goes on at the watercooler. Prove it...

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by DaHop72
I'm moving to Switzerland or Sweden.:evillaugh :evillaugh

Or just kick Blackie out of town...

Maybe we can send him to live in Borden County...and send Dan Patrick there as well! :thumbsup:

[Black_Magic]

Im not even going to read oll that crap but I will address your statement of " a successful team is like a Dynasty" ??????????????????? WOW! See I see a Dynasty like a Southlake Carol. or Permian of old... and you see the definition of success as a DYNASTY??.. Hmm ok if you say so:rolleyes: ANYWAY ALL I EVER SAID ABOUT SNYDER FOOTBALL AND SUCCESS WAS THAT THEY ARE SUCCCESFUL.. DIDNT SAY ONE THING OTHER THAN THAT. YOU want to turn it into some pissing match other than that. Im just not letting you do it and it is making you mad.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Im not even going to read oll that crap but I will address your statement of " a successful team is like a Dynasty" ??????????????????? WOW! See I see a Dynasty like a Southlake Carol. or Permian of old... and you see the definition of success as a DYNASTY??.. Hmm ok if you say so:rolleyes:

what??? You don't want to read the truth??? I called you out on your BS again and you won't even read it because you can't respond to it.

Also...I said a successful team is LIKE a dyansty. I didn't say a successful team IS a dynasty. A dynasty has all of the characteristics of a successful team...and then some that a successful team does not possess. Case in point...

- Southlake Carroll...a dynasty (5 or 6 state championships in the past 15 years)
- Celina...a dynasty (the winningest team in Texas in the past 10 years...6 state championships in 8 years)

vs

- Abilene Wylie...a successful program (1 state championship, one fo the winningest teams in Texas the last 10-20 years)
- Calallen...a successful program (always in the quarters and semis come playoff time...one of the top programs in 4A)

Don't flame me CAWildcat...You could probably call Calallen a dynasty with the level of success that they have had. I was looking more for a team with a lot of postseason excellence but very few state titles and they were the first that came to mind!

[Black_Magic]

Let me know when your want to quit playing WORD games and have a discusion. IF you will say what youe mean it would help avert missunderstandings.. or is it that you do it on purpose so you can back track continualy.:thinking:

[RMAC]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Let me know when your want to quit playing WORD games and have a discusion. IF you will say what youe mean it would help avert missunderstandings.. or is it that you do it on purpose so you can back track continualy.:thinking:

Keep going, this is like the 1st Bush/Gore Debate back in '00. Oh yeah, I don't go to Wylie and I can tell you that they have 3A numbers. They weren't even close this year! They missed it by 32 kids for Godsake. How about this, if Burkburnett (948.5) starts winning, how about we call them cheaters? Or, Lord willing, Hirshi (like 940? I think) You got nailed on you're main crying point, so you just tried to go back to something that is more tired than the debate over abortion or affirmative action. I really think you need to take a page from your own book and stay on the subject.

[Snydertigersrul]

Go ahead Adias and Sweetwater Red, while you are watching the Super Bowl on TV, I'm sitting up in the skybox. You, me or anyone else can do anything with numbers, which don't mean anything, like the Sweetwater baseball team playing Class 1A schools in the non-district. The record does look good. Snyder's record speaks for itself. Better be glad that Tatum was way off their game last year and still won without any problems. Cuero again lost in the clutch for the second straight year. It doesn't matter what they did in the regular season. BM and I are the experts, real experts. If you only knew. Ha Ha Ha.

[Snydertigersrul]

You are talking Adias about the "doctored" number reported to the UIL, not the real numbers. All of them came back the next day after the deadline from Cooper to Wylie.

[Fal44]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
1. I stated that Snyder was a WINNING team and NOT a successful team. There is a difference. Winning occurs over a few year span...like when a school has a good bunch of players in a couple of classes and wins a lot for a few years. Success is measured over a longer period of time.

Look at Gilmer...they went from being a team that would go 5-5 to 7-3 and sometimes make the playoffs to going 13-1, 16-0, and 10-2 the past 3 seasons. Right now they are a winning program.

A successful program is similar to a dynasty. They win consistently for an extended period of time...not just 3 or 4 years. As Vet pointed out...until 20-25 years ago, nobody really thought much of Wylie. Now, they are considered one of the top programs in 3A every year because of their consistent success over a long period of time. If Snyder is still putting out these same type of results in 10 years...then I would consider them a successful program.

I'm sorry that you don't agree with my definitions...I just see that there is a difference between a "winning team" and a "successful program." It's like comparing Enron (a winning stock) to a Wal-Mart, Dell or Microsoft (successful stocks). Enron had a short period where they were doing very well (ignore that much of it was false) as a company...but that time came to an end (ignore why it came to an end). WM, Dell, and MSFT have been stocks that have performed very well for a long time (20+ years) and have proven that they can "win" on a consistent basis...thus being considered successful.

2. Where did I ever ask if Snyder was one of the Top 5 Most Successful Teams ever??? Please show me where I specifically said that. I said that people wouldn't consider Snyder one of the successful programs of 3A...and I started a thread asking people to name what programs they would tab as "Most Successful 3A Programs" (notice how nobody had Snyder in their list? ;) )...but I didn't expressly ask that question.

3. I have nothing to make up my mind about. Go read what you wrote again...(this is copied straight from your post)

BM: I made the observation that Snyder was a very successful fooball program..
Adidas:YOU first say NO THEY ARE NOT!!...
NOTE: My comment about them being one of the most successful teams was irrellevent to what we are talking about now...I was simply discussing is Snyder a winning team or a successful team. Don't try and change the subject!!
Adidas:NOW you are apparently saying they are successful I guess but not as succesfull as Sweetwater and Wylie from what your saying...... Make up your mind..
NOTE: Where did I say that Snyder was successful? I have never once said that. I have held consistent on my position that they are a winning team...not a successful program. IF YOU CAN PROVE ME WRONG ON THIS STATEMENT...I WILL NOT POST ON THE DOWNLOW UNTIL AUGUST 1ST (other than the Lowie Awards that I have to do for Russ the next few days!)

4. Show me where Graham, Greenwood, Canyon and Monahans have been making multiple trips to the Regional Finals and State Semifinals in the past few years?
- Graham...lost in the 1st round of the playoffs 6 years in a row before not making it last year.
- Greenwood...made it to the State Finals in 2002...has lost in the 1st round in 03, 04, and 05.
- Monahans...made the Regional Finals in 2005...that's as close as they have been since 97 or 98 when they beat #1 Breckenridge in the Regional Semifinals.
- Canyon...has lost to Wylie in the second round of the playoffs in 04 and 05 after dropping down from 4A (where they weren't a playoff team).

Snyder is on a level above the aforementioned teams. Don't drag yourself down to that level or try to deflect the discussion that way. I'm talking about Snyder...not those other schools.

5. Show me where I have backtracked on my statements. Also, show me where I have transparent hate for Snyder. That was the first accusation you made against me yesterday...I've called you on it 3 times and you have yet to prove it. I'm still waiting...

Longest Post I have ever read. Good Post Adidas

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by RMAC
Keep going, this is like the 1st Bush/Gore Debate back in '00. Oh yeah, I don't go to Wylie and I can tell you that they have 3A numbers. They weren't even close this year! They missed it by 32 kids for Godsake. How about this, if Burkburnett (948.5) starts winning, how about we call them cheaters? Or, Lord willing, Hirshi (like 940? I think) You got nailed on you're main crying point, so you just tried to go back to something that is more tired than the debate over abortion or affirmative action. I really think you need to take a page from your own book and stay on the subject. So the jokes on you too ay? you believe that number Wylie turned in??.. Its ok. a few still do.;)

[Ranger Mom]

WOW!!

This "most successful program in 3A" thread done gone and turned into a Snyder/Sweetwater/Wylie thread!!

Imagine that!!!:eek: :eek: :p :D

[Snydertigersrul]

Two things always are certain with the UIL regardless of enrollment numbers. Wylie will be in 3A and Highland Park in 4A

[Tiger Baseball]

STrul are you ever going to post anything on here that is important or is it always going to be you showing your http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_6_7.gif

[DU_stud04]

Originally posted by Tiger Baseball
STrul are you ever going to post anything on here that is important or is it always going to be you showing your http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_6_7.gif

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Snydertigersrul]

Hey Tiger Baseball, move over to the bleachers at the girls' softball field. They probably fit your style better.

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by Tiger Baseball
STrul are you ever going to post anything on here that is important or is it always going to be you showing your http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_6_7.gif

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
Hey Tiger Baseball, move over to the bleachers at the girls' softball field. They probably fit your style better.

I don't think you are from Snyder or a Tiger fan at all! I think you are just trying to stir things up!

If you ARE from Snyder, I bet you are an embarrassment to them!!

[Snydertigersrul]

I'm sure it's past your bedtime, so I'll leave you alone for now.

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
I'm sure it's past your bedtime, so I'll leave you alone for now.

My bedtime??

Dude, I could outlast you on this board ANY DAY!!

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
I'm sure it's past your bedtime, so I'll leave you alone for now.

Do you realize what you look like here let me show you. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_5_134v.gif

[Snydertigersrul]

Go over and sit in the cheap seats

[Tiger Baseball]

So are you school faculty or a school board member?

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I don't think you are from Snyder or a Tiger fan at all! I think you are just trying to stir things up!

If you ARE from Snyder, I bet you are an embarrassment to them!!

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_18_5.gif This is what you want to do when he opens his mouth.

[RMAC]

Originally posted by Tiger Baseball
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_18_5.gif This is what you want to do when he opens his mouth.

I know how you feel man. We had some idiots on here from Graham at the beginning of the year.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Fal44
Longest Post I have ever read. Good Post Adidas

lol...it's amazing how my 3 thoughts can turn into 10-15 minutes of writing/fact checking/rambling/etc. :rolleyes:

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
You are talking Adias about the "doctored" number reported to the UIL, not the real numbers. All of them came back the next day after the deadline from Cooper to Wylie.

1. Kids can't just transfer from one school district to another and then back again.

2. I'm sure you have no idea how the UIL actually determines a school's enrollment figure. It requires the use of math, english, and logic skills...and I'm not too sure that you possess any of them.

3. Why would Cooper want kids to transfer over to their school??? If in fact that did happen...then it ended up keeping Cooper in 5A because they one of the smallest schools in 5A and would have dropped to 4A if not for 1 or 2 schools requesting to stay up in 5A.

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
1. Kids can't just transfer from one school district to another and then back again.

2. I'm sure you have no idea how the UIL actually determines a school's enrollment figure. It requires the use of math, english, and logic skills...and I'm not too sure that you possess any of them.

3. Why would Cooper want kids to transfer over to their school??? If in fact that did happen...then it ended up keeping Cooper in 5A because they one of the smallest schools in 5A and would have dropped to 4A if not for 1 or 2 schools requesting to stay up in 5A.
1) yes they can it hapens all the time
2) its not important if any of us or you for that matter has any Idea about a schools enrollment figures. WYLIE sure has it down to a science.;)
3) Cooper does not really want them but they get them anyway. Key is Wylie does not want them unless they can help if you know what i mean;)

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by Tiger Baseball
Do you realize what you look like here let me show you. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_5_134v.gif LMAO...that is one good smiley!!! :thumbsup:

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
WOW!!

This "most successful program in 3A" thread done gone and turned into a Snyder/Sweetwater/Wylie thread!!

Imagine that!!!:eek: :eek: :p :D Crazy, huh??? :crazy: :wave:

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by pirate4state
LMAO...that is one good smiley!!! :thumbsup:

Thanks it just fits the picture!

There I fixed it, something is wrong with my F button

[Sweetwater Red]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
WOW!!

This "most successful program in 3A" thread done gone and turned into a Snyder/Sweetwater/Wylie thread!!

Imagine that!!!:eek: :eek: :p :D

Ranger Mom the truth is we're all just using the rivalry thing as
a means to pad our post count. I get an avatar and I'm done. :D :devil: :D

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
Ranger Mom the truth is we're all just using the rivalry thing as
a means to pad our post count. I get an avatar and I'm done. :D :devil: :D

Uh huh!! RIGGHHHTTT!!!! :thumbsup:

(where did I leave my boots?? )

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Uh huh!! RIGGHHHTTT!!!! :thumbsup:

(where did I leave my boots?? )

They are in your new avatar.

[Sweetwater Red]

Originally posted by Tiger Baseball
They are in your new avatar.


:D :clap:

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Tiger Baseball
They are in your new avatar.

Ha Ha!!

Not THOSE boots silly!:p

When "it" starts getting deep, I can't wear those boots....stuff gets stuck to heel!!

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Ha Ha!!

Not THOSE boots silly!:p

When "it" starts getting deep, I can't wear those boots....stuff gets stuck to heel!! LOL! They seem to be standard wear around here lately. :(

[RMAC]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
1) yes they can it hapens all the time
2) its not important if any of us or you for that matter has any Idea about a schools enrollment figures. WYLIE sure has it down to a science.;)
3) Cooper does not really want them but they get them anyway. Key is Wylie does not want them unless they can help if you know what i mean;)

Well if you're so sure that Wylie's been cheating for God knows how long, then why can't you prove it? I mean, actual, solid, something-I-can-feel proof, not just hearsay and conspiracy theories and all that crap.

[Snydertigersrul]

The UIL can't tough Wylie. They have someone in the administration who knows how to get around the rules. Of course, once the numbers are reported, they hold for the next two years. Highland Park does the same thing. Those two just have the inside people to get the job done. Go to a Wylie JV and see 80 players standing on the sidelines.

[RMAC]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
The UIL can't tough Wylie. They have someone in the administration who knows how to get around the rules. Of course, once the numbers are reported, they hold for the next two years. Highland Park does the same thing. Those two just have the inside people to get the job done. Go to a Wylie JV and see 80 players standing on the sidelines.

You're an idiot. There's 40 kids, 50 tops, on any given JV @ Wylie. You know why. . . cuz it's only sophomores!!! I went to Wylie, and for the 8 years I was there, we had right about 225 or so per class. So please, for the love of GOD, shut up and don't talk about something you know less than nothing about.

[Snydertigersrul]

It's no lie, I witnessed that last year when Snyder played the Wyle JV in Abilene. Everyone knows Wylie and Highland Park gets away with it, but the UIL's hands are tied because technically no rule was broken. They know how to "bend" the rules and get around it.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
It's no lie, I witnessed that last year when Snyder played the Wyle JV in Abilene. Everyone knows Wylie and Highland Park gets away with it, but the UIL's hands are tied because technically no rule was broken. They know how to "bend" the rules and get around it.

Prove it...

and go read the UIL rules (Injured is a big fan of them...maybe he will enlighten you...though that isn't possible) and you will see that doping anything to falsify your enrollment number WOULD be in violation of many UIL and TEA policies.

[mustang04]

i dont know why snyder is crying about wylie's numbers....cuz im pretty sure wylie had NOTHING to do w/ snyder losing first round to monahans in the playoffs:D :D

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by mustang04
i dont know why snyder is crying about wylie's numbers....cuz im pretty sure wylie had NOTHING to do w/ snyder losing first round to monahans in the playoffs:D :D

What does that have anything do with numbers http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_6_3.gif

[mustang04]

Originally posted by Tiger Baseball
What does that have anything do with numbers http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_6_3.gif

wrong question...the question should be...why do WYLIE's numbers matter to snyder...who still got kicked out of the playoffs by another team....snyder should worry more about how not to get beat first round in D2 than cry about another team in D1...thats just my opinion

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by mustang04
wrong question...the question should be...why do WYLIE's numbers matter to snyder...who still got kicked out of the playoffs by another team....snyder should worry more about how not to get beat first round in D2 than cry about another team in D1...thats just my opinion

Numbers don't matter imo, just get out there play hard, have fun doing it and hopfully come out on the winning end. This BS about numbers and who paid for what and who didn't or who got beat in the first round or facts about crap that no one cares about, just makes me wanna http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_2_5.gif I think most everybody on here claims to be a grownup and they act like their on a play ground IMO

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by mustang04
wrong question...the question should be...why do WYLIE's numbers matter to snyder...who still got kicked out of the playoffs by another team....snyder should worry more about how not to get beat first round in D2 than cry about another team in D1...thats just my opinion Honestly 04 can you tell me you realy think Wylie and the numbers they report are legit??:rolleyes: I can say for a fact all of you ec coaches dont thing thye are.:rolleyes:

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by Tiger Baseball
Numbers don't matter imo, just get out there play hard, have fun doing it and hopfully come out on the winning end. This BS about numbers and who paid for what and who didn't just makes me wanna http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_2_5.gif So Ira and Borden County should be able to compete with snyder in ALL sports.. :rolleyes: Get real. Wyle has great numbers in all sports ... FOR A 5A Team!:rolleyes: PLEASE!

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
So Ira and Borden County should be able to compete with snyder in ALL sports.. :rolleyes: Get real. Wyle has great numbers in all sports ... FOR A 5A Team!:rolleyes: PLEASE!

I did edit what I was saying before you sent this. Whats going to be done about it "nothing" so why sit around and http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_9_9.gif about it. I think your signature is the answer just do it.

[mustang04]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Honestly 04 can you tell me you realy think Wylie and the numbers they report are legit??:rolleyes: I can say for a fact all of you ec coaches dont thing thye are.:rolleyes:

thats not the fact of the matter, the fact of the matter is that yall beat them, lost in the playoffs to a completely different team, and still want to cry about it

just play some football

[Ranger Mom]

Is it just me...or are there 2 Snyder posters going at it AGAINST each OTHER???

:eek: :eek:

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Is it just me...or are there 2 Snyder posters going at it AGAINST each OTHER???

:eek: :eek:

RM I found this smilie for you the other day. I thought it went with your old avatar. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_1_107.gif

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Tiger Baseball
RM I found this smilie for you the other day. I thought it went with your old avatar. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_1_107.gif

LOL!! I can see why you would!

[mustang04]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
LOL!! I can see why you would!

so when can i expect to see ya in a pair of those knee-highs???:kiss:

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by mustang04
so when can i expect to see ya in a pair of those knee-highs???:kiss:

:confused: :confused:

[mustang04]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
:confused: :confused:

those heels in your avatar....gosh

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by mustang04
those heels in your avatar....gosh

Oh!!! LOL!!

I was thinking knee highs as in panty hose.....that was SO 1990's!!:D

[sinfan75]

10 state final appearances and 3 state titles and damn near every year in the play-offs since 1970 puts Cuero at the top of the list hands down. No one else need apply!

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Is it just me...or are there 2 Snyder posters going at it AGAINST each OTHER???

:eek: :eek:
It's been that way for a few days. Keep up. :D ;)

[Snydertigersrul]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
It's been that way for a few days. Keep up. :D ;)


What two Snyder posters are you referring too?

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by mustang04
thats not the fact of the matter, the fact of the matter is that yall beat them, lost in the playoffs to a completely different team, and still want to cry about it

just play some football Nice Side Step aound the question. I take it that the fact you dont want to answer my direct question to you is because the answer is the same YES they fudge on the numbers... I know you may not want to discuss it but it is what is being talked about. :rolleyes: Not any other game, NOt Snyder beating Sweetwater in 04, NOt Tatum beating Sweetwater last year, NOT Monahans beating Snyder last year.. we are discussing Wylie and the 4A numbers they have.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Nice Side Step aound the question. I take it that the fact you dont want to answer my direct question to you is because the answer is the same YES they fudge on the numbers... I know you may not want to discuss it but it is what is being talked about. :rolleyes: Not any other game, NOt Snyder beating Sweetwater in 04, NOt Tatum beating Sweetwater last year, NOT Monahans beating Snyder last year.. we are discussing Wylie and the 4A numbers they have.

and you are the one making the accusation. However, you have no tangible proof to offer up in support of your bogus claim so until you do...there is nothing to discuss. I can't defend words with more words...that's what children do on the playground in kindergarten. You provide evidence...and then we will see if it can be refuted or not.

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by Tiger Baseball
Numbers don't matter imo, just get out there play hard, have fun doing it and hopfully come out on the winning end. This BS about numbers and who paid for what and who didn't or who got beat in the first round or facts about crap that no one cares about, just makes me wanna http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_2_5.gif I think most everybody on here claims to be a grownup and they act like their on a play ground IMO

[Snydertigersrul]

Originally posted by Tiger Baseball




Numbers do matter. I guess you think a good matchup in football would be Ira against Abilene High

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
Numbers do matter. I guess you think a good matchup in football would be Ira against Abilene High
I can tell you they don't put them in the W/L column.

Nobody cares if your team had Deion Sanders' surrogate son, Refrigerator Perry's kids, and ten other D-I recruits playing. If you have fewer points than the other when time runs out, you lose. Nobody remembers the details, they just remember who won.

[Snydertigersrul]

Originally posted by big daddy russ
I can tell you they don't put them in the W/L column.

Nobody cares if your team had Deion Sanders' surrogate son, Refrigerator Perry's kids, and ten other D-I recruits playing. If you have fewer points than the other when time runs out, you lose. Nobody remembers the details, they just remember who won.


Big Daddy, I know you don't know, but Ira is a six-man school in West Texas

[Snydertigersrul]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Is it just me...or are there 2 Snyder posters going at it AGAINST each OTHER???

:eek: :eek:


I don't think Tiger Baseball is really from Snyder.

[DaHop72]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
I don't think Tiger Baseball is really from Snyder. Well Snydertigersrul you are wrong. Trust me, Tiger Baseball is from Snyder and is an avid Snyder supporter.

[DaHop72]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
Numbers do matter. I guess you think a good matchup in football would be Ira against Abilene High :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
Numbers do matter. I guess you think a good matchup in football would be Ira against Abilene High

Hey dipstik here's your numbers!!!
UIL Numbers
Abilene High - 2478 - 5A School
Ira High - 73 - Six Man School
That is about as stupid as what you wrote. Now for 3A Numbers!
Burkburnett - 949
Athens - 947
Pleasanton - 945
A. Wylie - 916
Andrews - 904
Canyon - 863
Bandera - 856
Gatesville - 845
Carthage - 798
Hutto - 778
Snyder - 678
Bridgeport - 669
Gilmer - 668
Mexia - 590
Devine - 577
Llano - 523
M. Greenwood - 492
Breckenridge - 460
Cameron Yoe - 452
Gladewater Sabine - 416
If you want to cry about numbers and you dont like the 550 split between top and bottom then go to the UIL and cry to them.

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by Tiger Baseball
If you want to cry about numbers and you dont like the 550 split between top and bottom then go to the UIL and cry to them.
:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by DaHop72
Well Snydertigersrul you are wrong. Trust me, Tiger Baseball is from Snyder and is an avid Snyder supporter. Saying Numbers dont matter is a stupid comment. Of Course numbers matter:rolleyes: Anyone who thinks otherwise is an IDIOT!

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Saying Numbers dont matter is a stupid comment. Of Course numbers matter:rolleyes: Anyone who thinks otherwise is an IDIOT!

I believe you quoted the wrong quote. So here is your IDIOT cry baby gripe again.

Hey dipstik here's your numbers!!!
UIL Numbers
Abilene High - 2478 - 5A School
Ira High - 73 - Six Man School
That is about as stupid as what you wrote. Now for 3A Numbers!
Burkburnett - 949
Athens - 947
Pleasanton - 945
A. Wylie - 916
Andrews - 904
Canyon - 863
Bandera - 856
Gatesville - 845
Carthage - 798
Hutto - 778
Snyder - 678
Bridgeport - 669
Gilmer - 668
Mexia - 590
Devine - 577
Llano - 523
M. Greenwood - 492
Breckenridge - 460
Cameron Yoe - 452
Gladewater Sabine - 416
If you want to cry about numbers and you dont like the 550 split between top and bottom then go to the UIL and cry to them.

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Tiger Baseball
I believe you quoted the wrong quote. So here is your IDIOT cry baby gripe again.

Hey dipstik here's your numbers!!!
UIL Numbers
Abilene High - 2478 - 5A School
Ira High - 73 - Six Man School
That is about as stupid as what you wrote. Now for 3A Numbers!
Burkburnett - 949
Athens - 947
Pleasanton - 945
A. Wylie - 916
Andrews - 904
Canyon - 863
Bandera - 856
Gatesville - 845
Carthage - 798
Hutto - 778
Snyder - 678
Bridgeport - 669
Gilmer - 668
Mexia - 590
Devine - 577
Llano - 523
M. Greenwood - 492
Breckenridge - 460
Cameron Yoe - 452
Gladewater Sabine - 416
If you want to cry about numbers and you dont like the 550 split between top and bottom then go to the UIL and cry to them.

Out of sheer curiosity, what do those teams have to do with each other??

Or were they and their numbers just a random choice?

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Saying Numbers dont matter is a stupid comment. Of Course numbers matter:rolleyes: Anyone who thinks otherwise is an IDIOT!
Fair enough. So how do you explain Tatum?

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Out of sheer curiosity, what do those teams have to do with each other??

Or were they and their numbers just a random choice?

:confused: Read up, some stupid comment about Abilene High and Ira playing.:eek:

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Tiger Baseball
:confused: Read up, some stupid comment about Abilene High and Ira playing.:eek:

I read all of that. I was just wondering how you came up with the teams in your list....since that is nowhere near all the teams in 3A.

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
I read all of that. I was just wondering how you came up with the teams in your list....since that is nowhere near all the teams in 3A.

I just went with largest to the smallest randomly!

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Tiger Baseball
I just went with largest to the smallest randomly!

Gotcha!!

It probably wouldn't have even caught my eye had Greenwood not been on the list!:)

[Snydertigersrul]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Gotcha!!

It probably wouldn't have even caught my eye had Greenwood not been on the list!:)



I don't know where he got his numbers, but most of them are wrong. The point has been a problem for years with the UIL. For example, Class 3A is around 450 at the bottom and goes to 900. The biggest gap always has been in 3A. Student population does make a big difference, especially in football. Tiger baseball, if he is really from Snyder, needs to stay near the diamond. It's apparent that he has ZERO knowledge about football.

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
I don't know where he got his numbers, but most of them are wrong.
I'm not 100% sure, but I'm guessing he got them from the UIL website. Then again, he may just be making them up.

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by big daddy russ
I'm not 100% sure, but I'm guessing he got them from the UIL website.
That's exactly where they're from - 415 to 949. The only difference is the "smallest" school. Anthony (228.5) and Tornillo (253) opted "up" from 2a to 3a. Realignment changes (http://www.uil.utexas.edu/2006align/pdf/06_07_school_changes.pdf) TB knows his stuff. ;)

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
I don't know where he got his numbers, but most of them are wrong. The point has been a problem for years with the UIL. For example, Class 3A is around 450 at the bottom and goes to 900. The biggest gap always has been in 3A. Student population does make a big difference, especially in football. Tiger baseball, if he is really from Snyder, needs to stay near the diamond. It's apparent that he has ZERO knowledge about football.

I don't know about all that...but Greenwood's is right!

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by Tiger Baseball
I believe you quoted the wrong quote. So here is your IDIOT cry baby gripe again.

NO it quoted the right post. IF NUMBERS DONT MATTER THEN WHY DOES THE UIL BREAK DOWN SCHOOLS INTO CLASIFICATIONS LIKE 5A, 4A , 3A, 2A, AND 1A????? YOU said numbers dont matter.:rolleyes: Heck the UIL thinks numbers matter SO much they even have a BIG school and Small School in each class.... OF COURSE NUMBERS MATTER.:rolleyes: IS it the only thing that matters? NO!! BUt it Matters. Only someone who does now know anything about it may think it does not matter but it does.
OH, And BTW. I dont have to GO to the UIL with a grip about anything . IF you dont like what I think or post on it I would call it a personal problem you may need to find a way to deal with. Discusions and opinion is what this board is all about. When you have been around a little longer you will figure that out.:rolleyes:

[Snydertigersrul]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
NO it quoted the right post. IF NUMBERS DONT MATTER THEN WHY DOES THE UIL BREAK DOWN SCHOOLS INTO CLASIFICATIONS LIKE 5A, 4A , 3A, 2A, AND 1A????? YOU said numbers dont matter.:rolleyes: Heck the UIL thinks numbers matter SO much they even have a BIG school and Small School in each class.... OF COURSE NUMBERS MATTER.:rolleyes: IS it the only thing that matters? NO!! BUt it Matters. Only someone who does now know anything about it may think it does not matter but it does.
OH, And BTW. I dont have to GO to the UIL with a grip about anything . IF you dont like what I think or post on it I would call it a personal problem you may need to find a way to deal with. Discusions and opinion is what this board is all about. When you have been around a little longer you will figure that out.:rolleyes:


Black Magic made a good point. Why do the UIL continue the format with two divisions in each class and now they have divided Six-Man into two division. It's an attempt to try and put everyone on a level playing field, as least as possible. The biggest problem in 3A out here in West Texas because there are fewer schools and they are spread apart. That's the reason for the two four-team districts. NUMBERS are important. Tiger Baseball needs to get educated. I still doubt that he really lives in Snyder.

[DaHop72]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
I still doubt that he really lives in Snyder. Give it up. I guess we can call you Doubting Thomas now.

[Snydertigersrul]

Originally posted by DaHop72
Give it up. I guess we can call you Doubting Thomas now.


Okay, Tiger baseball is a want-to-be who wished he live in Snyder

[DaHop72]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
Okay, Tiger baseball is a want-to-be who wished he live in Snyder Well, for the last time.:thinking::thinking: Tiger Baseball does live in Snyder. Snydertigersrul. I'm beginning to wonder about.:thinking: :thinking:

[Matthew328]

Even though the stay in 3A was short I'd say Everman had a nice stint 50-6 with 2 titles...I miss 3A....

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by DaHop72
Well, for the last time.:thinking::thinking: Tiger Baseball does live in Snyder. Snydertigersrul. I'm beginning to wonder about.:thinking: :thinking:

You took the words right out of my mouth!!

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
That's exactly where they're from - 415 to 949. The only difference is the "smallest" school. Anthony (228.5) and Tornillo (253) opted "up" from 2a to 3a. Realignment changes (http://www.uil.utexas.edu/2006align/pdf/06_07_school_changes.pdf) TB knows his stuff. ;)

Thanks LHM I wouldn't write something down without check into first like a couple of nemrods on here.

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
NO it quoted the right post. IF NUMBERS DONT MATTER THEN WHY DOES THE UIL BREAK DOWN SCHOOLS INTO CLASIFICATIONS LIKE 5A, 4A , 3A, 2A, AND 1A????? YOU said numbers dont matter.:rolleyes: Heck the UIL thinks numbers matter SO much they even have a BIG school and Small School in each class.... OF COURSE NUMBERS MATTER.:rolleyes: IS it the only thing that matters? NO!! BUt it Matters. Only someone who does now know anything about it may think it does not matter but it does.
OH, And BTW. I dont have to GO to the UIL with a grip about anything . IF you dont like what I think or post on it I would call it a personal problem you may need to find a way to deal with. Discusions and opinion is what this board is all about. When you have been around a little longer you will figure that out.:rolleyes:

So why are you on here crying about Wylie's numbers all the time? With the position you have, get out there each week and go, fight, cheat, win or is that not your sig. Heck you've beat them two years in a row so why cry about something you can't proove or do anything about. I'm not on here trying to have a pissing match with you, thats for teenagers or unmature adults. Heck Bubba go get me another beer and lets stand here on College and 37th and see who can piss the farthest. That is what you and sndertigersrul sound like on here. Crap Snyder has class so get some and show it.

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by DaHop72
Well, for the last time.:thinking::thinking: Tiger Baseball does live in Snyder. Snydertigersrul. I'm beginning to wonder about.:thinking: :thinking:

Whats going on DH? I'm not back yet. I was stupid and took my lap top with me. :doh: :doh: :doh:

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by Snydertigersrul
Black Magic made a good point. Why do the UIL continue the format with two divisions in each class and now they have divided Six-Man into two division. It's an attempt to try and put everyone on a level playing field, as least as possible. The biggest problem in 3A out here in West Texas because there are fewer schools and they are spread apart. That's the reason for the two four-team districts. NUMBERS are important. Tiger Baseball needs to get educated. I still doubt that he really lives in Snyder.

Wrong there is three four team districts (districts 3, 4, and 5)!!!!!!!! Go get educated before you open your trap. Oh buy the way I've had the same Tiger season tickets for the last 20 years. I don't miss a game home or away unless I'm in my death bed. Put this in your pipe and smoke it.

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by Tiger Baseball
So why are you on here crying about Wylie's numbers all the time? With the position you have, get out there each week and go, fight, cheat, win or is that not your sig. Heck you've beat them two years in a row so why cry about something you can't proove or do anything about. I'm not on here trying to have a pissing match with you, thats for teenagers or unmature adults. Heck Bubba go get me another beer and lets stand here on College and 37th and see who can piss the farthest. That is what you and sndertigersrul sound like on here. Crap Snyder has class so get some and show it. Position I have? what do you mean by that? I dont play any position . I dont Play football anymore. Crying about Wylies Numbers all the time? Hey I dont really expect you to understand it but Its not New or a minority oppinion about Wylie Numbers. Its actualy become a Joke around Texas Football as to how they will pull it off next realignment and has been for 8 years now.:rolleyes: I would not expect you to understand. You are clearly Uneducated as to what Numbers can do. AGAIN I will say NUMBERS DO MATTER but they are not the only thing that matters. ANYONE who thinks they dont matter is an IDIOT!. IF they didnt matter why have different clasifications??????????:doh: Football is One of the sports that Numbers in a program matter the most. Football is a very complex game and tough on the players. You need alot of kids to compete and football is not for eveyone. Some just cant hack it. Some Just dont want to do the work it takes. The teams that have the most to choose from an who will do the work tend to do better because of the numbers. Its not the only thing that matters but it does matter. IF it didnt then you should expect IRA to Compete with SouthLake Carroll.....:rolleyes: Nobody would expect that WOULD YOU???? :confused:

[Sweetwater Red]

It appears all is not well in the land of the Tiger....:clap: :D :devil:

[Ranger Mom]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Position I have? what do you mean by that? I dont play any position . I dont Play football anymore. Crying about Wylies Numbers all the time? Hey I dont really expect you to understand it but Its not New or a minority oppinion about Wylie Numbers. Its actualy become a Joke around Texas Football as to how they will pull it off next realignment and has been for 8 years now.:rolleyes: I would not expect you to understand. You are clearly Uneducated as to what Numbers can do. AGAIN I will say NUMBERS DO MATTER but they are not the only thing that matters. ANYONE who thinks they dont matter is an IDIOT!. IF they didnt matter why have different clasifications??????????:doh: Football is One of the sports that Numbers in a program matter the most. Football is a very complex game and tough on the players. You need alot of kids to compete and football is not for eveyone. Some just cant hack it. Some Just dont want to do the work it takes. The teams that have the most to choose from an who will do the work tend to do better because of the numbers. Its not the only thing that matters but it does matter. IF it didnt then you should expect IRA to Compete with SouthLake Carroll.....:rolleyes: Nobody would expect that WOULD YOU???? :confused:

If I read what he said correctly, he was not referring to your "position" as where you play on the football field. He was referring to your "position" as to the job you hold!

I don't know if Abilene Wylie cheats on the numbers, or if they just get extremely lucky every year.....maybe they do cheat, maybe their motto is also "Go, Fight, CHEAT, win".........I just really don't know!!:thinking:

[injuredinmelee]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
Position I have? what do you mean by that? I dont play any position . I dont Play football anymore. Crying about Wylies Numbers all the time? Hey I dont really expect you to understand it but Its not New or a minority oppinion about Wylie Numbers. Its actualy become a Joke around Texas Football as to how they will pull it off next realignment and has been for 8 years now.:rolleyes: I would not expect you to understand. You are clearly Uneducated as to what Numbers can do. AGAIN I will say NUMBERS DO MATTER but they are not the only thing that matters. ANYONE who thinks they dont matter is an IDIOT!. IF they didnt matter why have different clasifications??????????:doh: Football is One of the sports that Numbers in a program matter the most. Football is a very complex game and tough on the players. You need alot of kids to compete and football is not for eveyone. Some just cant hack it. Some Just dont want to do the work it takes. The teams that have the most to choose from an who will do the work tend to do better because of the numbers. Its not the only thing that matters but it does matter. IF it didnt then you should expect IRA to Compete with SouthLake Carroll.....:rolleyes: Nobody would expect that WOULD YOU???? :confused:

the sad part is I thought you were more intelligent than the Wylie's numbers thing. I challenge anyone to find me proof. Real proof not my cousins sisters husbands dads step sons girlfriends baby told me. What is the advantge for Wylie to stay 3A? Sure it might be tough going for a year or two but we paly so many good teams no it wont be that big of a step. Alot of 4a Schools dont want to play Wylie anymore since it is a lose lose situation for them. With the coaching staff and the program in place as it is right now Wylie would be fine in 4A and you know that. The accusations are ridiculous and what is the root of it all? I say jealousy, esp on your behalf. Sure you have won the last two years but what about all the years you were 4a and we were dusting your ass?

[injuredinmelee]

The kids in the Wylie community grow up dreaming of being Bulldogs. Its a status symbol as it is in many high schools. When you ahve had the same coach since Ronald Reagan was in office you build consitency and pride and that filters down to even the little 5 and 6 yr olds that are running around the packed bleachers at every game. When we palyed Aledobefore they jumped they hada much bigger enrollment but they didnt have more kids on the sidelines. Everman was the same way. ITs community pride that brings the kids out in droves. ITs easier to try and knock down success with vile accusations and baseless rumors than to try and do the same for your program.

[Snydertigersrul]

Originally posted by injuredinmelee
the sad part is I thought you were more intelligent than the Wylie's numbers thing. I challenge anyone to find me proof. Real proof not my cousins sisters husbands dads step sons girlfriends baby told me. What is the advantge for Wylie to stay 3A? Sure it might be tough going for a year or two but we paly so many good teams no it wont be that big of a step. Alot of 4a Schools dont want to play Wylie anymore since it is a lose lose situation for them. With the coaching staff and the program in place as it is right now Wylie would be fine in 4A and you know that. The accusations are ridiculous and what is the root of it all? I say jealousy, esp on your behalf. Sure you have won the last two years but what about all the years you were 4a and we were dusting your ass?



You bring up a valid point. I don't have the official numbers, but I would bet that Wylie has a higher percentage of its student body participating in athletics (not just football) than any other school (regardless of classification). No one said they "cheated," like Highland Park, they know how to juggle the numbers at the right time of the year to stay 3A. After all schools submitted their enrollments last October, they don't have to report for two years. They could gain 500 students and still stay 3A.

[Snydertigersrul]

Originally posted by injuredinmelee
The kids in the Wylie community grow up dreaming of being Bulldogs. Its a status symbol as it is in many high schools. When you ahve had the same coach since Ronald Reagan was in office you build consitency and pride and that filters down to even the little 5 and 6 yr olds that are running around the packed bleachers at every game. When we palyed Aledobefore they jumped they hada much bigger enrollment but they didnt have more kids on the sidelines. Everman was the same way. ITs community pride that brings the kids out in droves. ITs easier to try and knock down success with vile accusations and baseless rumors than to try and do the same for your program.



Numbers don't determine the winner all of the time, but in football, it is more of a factor. Besides a starting offense and defense, you have special teams and the injury potential is much greater in football than other sports. Stability of a coaching staff also is important. You can look at the successful programs in the state see few staff changes (except for assistants become head coaches). That's why Snyder has competed so well the past five years. Until this year, the varsity staff remained intact. Joe Anana left to become a head coach of a 5A school in New Mexico.

[Butkus]

Ya know the more I read Im begining to wonder if snydertigersruls may not be from Sweetwater and has aligned hisself with ole Blackie ta keep things stirred up tween snyder and Sweetwater. Justa wonderin.

[mustang04]

all i can say is.....wylie is bigger than snyder....snyder beat them......snyder is bigger than sweetwater.....sweetwater beat them....sweetwater is bigger than tatum.....and tatum beat them....nobody should be crying about anything..there is a difference between comparing snyder's numbers to wylie's an Ira's to Southlake Carrols.....when you are talking about 3a schools numbers and number of athletic participants...community pride will have a HUGE factor in determining numbers of student athletes like injured said....in a sixman school like ira....sometimes they participate cuz thats all they have and doesnt mean they really want to play football...but when you get as big as southlake...hundreds try to go out to play and get cut out...but when you are the middle man (like 3A) participation is a huge factor and NOT school populations I've seen schools that had a CRAPLOAD of students (especially athletic ones) who did not participate, like Lbk. Estacado...if you dont have pride in your sports whenever you are lacking in enrollment numbers anyways..its not a good turnout

[Black_Magic]

I will Post this very Simple statement. NUMBERS MATTER... IF they didnt then there woulod be only ONE Classification. They are not the only thing that matters but they are a big factor in success along with others. I believe OU and SMU said the same "If you think we are not folloing the rules then just prove it" Crap for years.. Then all of a sudden, BOOM! Did they just get caught that particular year or was it going on for years and finaly someone PROVED it?.:thinking:

Dang Injured, Sure are mad about the last two years. Why so much hostility? As you stated you whipped snyders ASS when they were 4A.. That was in the p-ASS-t. Now days its wylie geting whipped by Snyder. Cant you take taking turns? or are you not able to handle it when the table turns like it has?

[mustang04]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
I will Post this very Simple statement. NUMBERS MATTER... IF they didnt then there woulod be only ONE Classification. They are not the only thing that matters but they are a big factor in success along with others. I believe OU and SMU said the same "If you think we are not folloing the rules then just prove it" Crap for years.. Then all of a sudden, BOOM! Did they just get caught that particular year or was it going on for years and finaly someone PROVED it?.:thinking:

Dang Injured, Sure are mad about the last two years. Why so much hostility? As you stated you whipped snyders ASS when they were 4A.. That was in the p-ASS-t. Now days its wylie geting whipped by Snyder. Cant you take taking turns? or are you not able to handle it when the table turns like it has?

numbers matter TO AN EXTENT...but they arent everything

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by mustang04
numbers matter TO AN EXTENT...but they arent everything I believe I said that didnt I:thinking:

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by mustang04
numbers matter TO AN EXTENT...but they arent everything Originally posted by Black_Magic
I believe I said that didnt I:thinking:
Here is what you said...


Originally posted by Black_Magic
I will Post this very Simple statement. NUMBERS MATTER...



Originally posted by Black_Magic
Look at the figures in the last 4-5 years.. those tell you more than anything about a football team in the HERE AND NOW


Originally posted by vet93
Numbers do not win games...


Originally posted by Black_Magic
TRUE .. TRUE..

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[Adidas410s]

of and I'm still waiting on a reply to this...you had all weekend to drum up some proof that you could actually provide. However...you know that you can't so you just ignored it instead.



Originally posted by Black_Magic
Nice Side Step aound the question. I take it that the fact you dont want to answer my direct question to you is because the answer is the same YES they fudge on the numbers... I know you may not want to discuss it but it is what is being talked about. :rolleyes: Not any other game, NOt Snyder beating Sweetwater in 04, NOt Tatum beating Sweetwater last year, NOT Monahans beating Snyder last year.. we are discussing Wylie and the 4A numbers they have.

and you are the one making the accusation. However, you have no tangible proof to offer up in support of your bogus claim so until you do...there is nothing to discuss. I can't defend words with more words...that's what children do on the playground in kindergarten. You provide evidence...and then we will see if it can be refuted or not.

[Black_Magic]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
I will Post this very Simple statement. NUMBERS MATTER... IF they didnt then there woulod be only ONE Classification. They are not the only thing that matters but they are a big factor in success along with others. I believe OU and SMU said the same "If you think we are not folloing the rules then just prove it" Crap for years.. Then all of a sudden, BOOM! Did they just get caught that particular year or was it going on for years and finaly someone PROVED it?.:thinking:

Dang Injured, Sure are mad about the last two years. Why so much hostility? As you stated you whipped snyders ASS when they were 4A.. That was in the p-ASS-t. Now days its wylie geting whipped by Snyder. Cant you take taking turns? or are you not able to handle it when the table turns like it has? READ IT AGAIN ADIDAS.. THis is what I have said from the begginning. Bring up a post where I said Numbers are the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS.... YOU SAYING NUMBERS DONT MATTER????

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
YOU SAYING NUMBERS DONT MATTER????

How many numbers have I provided you with??? Wait...you won't read long posts because you will feel dumb afterwards. My bad coach...;)

oh...and I'm still waiting on you to provide some facts on your Wylie scandal that "everyone knows about"...any day now!

[Black_Magic]

IF someone Can Prove it Wylie would be in trouble already. If a DA cant Prove something it does not mean it didnt happen. Crooks Regularly break laws even when they dont get caught.

As far as you LONG posts.... Why take an ESSAY to say something when 5 sentences will do?:rolleyes: IF you cant prove your point without clouding your post up with 5 pages worth of crap then your point is weak.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Black_Magic
IF someone Can Prove it Wylie would be in trouble already. If a DA cant Prove something it does not mean it didnt happen. Crooks Regularly break laws even when they dont get caught.

As far as you LONG posts.... Why take an ESSAY to say something when 5 sentences will do?:rolleyes: IF you cant prove your point without clouding your post up with 5 pages worth of crap then your point is weak.

1. So why speculate on something you can't prove??? I think Snyder recruits players. Dee Walker was a perfect example. I'm going to stick with that story EVERY time you mention Wylie cheating the numbers. Can I prove it??? No. Do I care??? No. Just doing it to get down to your level! :thumbsup:

2. Sometimes 5 sentences won't do. Also, my long posts don't prove just one point. They provide multiple points for you to read and learn from. They are well thought out and provide information to substantiate my claims. Everybody can say something...but not everybody can back it up with facts. If I say it...you can bet that there are facts to back it up. You should try that sometime.