What should the Astros do?

[wedo]

What should the Astros do first?? Get some hitting or some relief pitching?? IMO i think that they should try and get another good bat before the trade deadline!! What about yall??

[Emerson1]

Better pitching isn't gonna help when you don't score any runs.

[wedo]

But they have a 9-1 lead the other day and the relief pitching stunk it up!!!

[shellman54]

place the entire bullpen except Dave Borkowski on waivers. Bring Hunter Pence up from AA and let him play in the outfield. Talk Dennis Eckersley and Rollie Fingers out of retirement. Put Chris Burke at short and trade Adam Everett to whoever for a bat boy and some baseballs. Show the team a video on how a bat works, and that it is better if you swing it. Buy Roy Oswalt another tractor.

[Bulldog_12]

Originally posted by shellman54
Put Chris Burke at short and trade Adam Everett to whoever for a bat boy and some baseballs.

Everett????? Are you kidding? He is easily one of, if not the best on this team when it comes to defense. He has made a million plays that leave the announcers and myself speechless. Apparently you dont realize that while he may not have a high BA, his RBI is at 28 right now, one behind Lane and 7 ahead of Burke. I hate hearing people saying get rid of Everett and put in bruntlett or anyone else for that matter. He is HUGE on this team.

[Sweetwater Red]

Originally posted by shellman54
place the entire bullpen except Dave Borkowski on waivers. Bring Hunter Pence up from AA and let him play in the outfield. Talk Dennis Eckersley and Rollie Fingers out of retirement. Put Chris Burke at short and trade Adam Everett to whoever for a bat boy and some baseballs. Show the team a video on how a bat works, and that it is better if you swing it. Buy Roy Oswalt another tractor.

This gets my vote as best post of the day before 5:00 pm.:D

[wedo]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by shellman54
place the entire bullpen except Dave Borkowski on waivers. Bring Hunter Pence up from AA and let him play in the outfield. Talk Dennis Eckersley and Rollie Fingers out of retirement. Put Chris Burke at short and trade Adam Everett to whoever for a bat boy and some baseballs. Show the team a video on how a bat works, and that it is better if you swing it. Buy Roy Oswalt another tractor. [/QUOT

To tell you the truth, that sounds like a good idea! I

I never thought that Adam Everett was that good!!!

[Buccaneer]

The Astros have not scored in the last 20 innings!

[shellman54]

Originally posted by Bulldog_12
Everett????? Are you kidding? He is easily one of, if not the best on this team when it comes to defense. He has made a million plays that leave the announcers and myself speechless. Apparently you dont realize that while he may not have a high BA, his RBI is at 28 right now, one behind Lane and 7 ahead of Burke. I hate hearing people saying get rid of Everett and put in bruntlett or anyone else for that matter. He is HUGE on this team.

His defense may save a run every 5 games or so, but when you are getting outscored by 3-4 runs, it doesn't matter. Lane hasn't played in half the games this year (and for good reason). Burke only started playing because NOBODY could get on base, and he has shown that he deserves more playing time. Don't get me wrong, I know Everett is a wiz on defense, but there has to be a balance somewhere.

[BTEXDAD]

without the Rocket starting the season and with backe hurt, it looked like starting pitching would be weak link.
Relief pitching was supposed to be a strength. Who would have thought Qualls, Wheeler and Lidge would all struggle? Not to mention, Trevor Miller and Gallo and whoever else has pitched in relief.
It was also thought hitting would be pretty good. Taveras with another year of experience, Lane would improve (ha), Preston Wilson was going to hit 35 HRs playing in minute maid.
I dont know what to suggest they do. Everything sucks right now.

[big daddy russ]

They need a sparkplug. I don't know if that guy will be a pitcher or a hitter, but what they really need is someone to light a fire under their @$$.

I'd love to see Aaron Rowand at Minute Maid, but then again, he's my favorite player. A guy like Rowand or Lenny Dykstra... just a hard-nosed, energetic guy to get everyone else back on track. They have the talent, it's just not clicking right now.

[Buccaneer]

Player................ G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
Phil Barzilla......... 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 3.00 .500
Brandon Backe.... 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 8.0 4 2 2 2 2 3 2.25 0.75 .148
Roger Clemens.... 2 2 0 2 0 0 0 11.1 9 4 3 0 4 7 2.38 1.15 .225
Roy Oswalt....... 15 15 6 3 0 0 0 102.0 106 40 37 8 20 69 3.26 1.24 .277
Chris Sampson.... 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 15.1 16 6 6 1 2 4 3.52 1.17 .271
Russ Springer.... 33 0 1 0 0 0 0 27.0 21 12 12 5 7 22 4.00 1.04 .212
Dan Wheeler..... 35 0 1 5 1 0 0 33.2 32 16 15 2 11 30 4.01 1.28 .250
Trever Miller...... 28 0 0 2 0 0 0 22.0 23 10 10 5 8 25 4.09 1.41 .271
Chad Qualls....... 38 0 3 2 0 0 0 43.2 38 20 20 6 12 24 4.12 1.15 .241
Dave Borkowski.. 20 0 1 0 0 0 0 34.1 34 17 17 3 10 32 4.46 1.28 .258
Fernando Nieve.. 17 11 3 3 0 0 0 69.1 69 37 36 15 21 47 4.67 1.30 .258
Wandy Rodríguez 17 17 8 5 0 0 0 99.2 107 63 53 12 45 63 4.79 1.53 .280
Brad Lidge......... 37 0 0 2 19 0 0 35.2 33 23 22 4 21 51 5.55 1.51 .241
Andy Pettitte..... 17 17 6 8 0 1 1 101.2 126 69 65 18 35 78 5.75 1.58 .311
Taylor Buchholz.. 15 13 4 6 0 1 1 83.2 82 56 54 14 20 55 5.81 1.22 .256
Mike Gallo.......... 23 0 1 2 0 0 0 16.1 28 11 11 3 7 7 6.06 2.14 .400
Ezequiel Astacio... 6 0 2 0 0 0 0 5.2 7 7 7 2 6 6 11.12 2.29 .292
Total ,,,,,,,........ 38 40 20 2 2 709.2 736 393 370 100 231 523 4.69 1.36 .271


Last updated through games completed on Jun 27, 2006

[Buccaneer]

Player ............... G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Mike Lamb ....... 54 158 32 53 11 0 6 20 14 24 0 2 .335 .383 .519 .902
Lance Berkman . 72 260 41 82 13 0 22 70 40 46 1 1 .315 .399 .619 1.019
Chris Burke ...... 50 147 26 46 14 1 4 21 13 28 6 0 .313 .386 .503 .889
Eric Bruntlett ... 43 ,75 , 6 22, 6, 0 , 0 , 9 , 10 9 2 0 .293 .379 .373 .753
Preston Wilson .. 73 284 30 81 10 2 8 41 14 74 5 2 .285 .320 .419 .739
Craig Biggio ...... 73 284 41 77 24 0 6 28 23 39 1 1 .271 .331 .419 .750
Willy Taveras .... 74 258 41 69 9 3 0 18 18 43 12 5 .267 .321 .326 .647
Brad Ausmus .... 68 222 17 56 10 1 1 17 19 34 3 1 .252 .323 .320 .642
Adam Everett ....71 244 25 59 13 2 2 28 15 30 2 2 .242 .290 .336 .626
Morgan Ensberg .71 249 43 60 12 1 18 41 55 65 1 2 .241 .380 .514 .894
Orlando Palmeiro 48 , 61 10 14 1 1 0 6 4 9 0 0 .230 .288 .279 .567
Eric Munson ..... 26 , 80 , 7 18 3 0 4 12 6 14 0 0 .225 .300 .413 .713
Jason Lane ...... 67 205 35 42 7 0 11 29 40 46 1 1 .205 .339 .400 .739

Total .......... 2673 360 692 136 11 82 347 278 513 34 17 .259 .333 .410 .743

[AggieJohn]

trade lane and taveras away, get some minor league prospects to fill gaps in cc and RR and turn around and promote pence and someone from round rock


these guys are ready


i say they take walter young and call him up. He's like david ortiz but fatter

[Buccaneer]

East.......... W L Pct GB Home Road East Cent West Streak L10
NY Mets.... 47 29 .618 ---- 22-15 25-14 21-10 8-7 13-7 Lost 1 5-5
Philadelphia 35 41 .461 12.0 18-23 17-18 14-14 5-10 13-7 Lost 6 2-8
Florida....... 34 40 .459 12.0 17-17 17-23 9-15 8-10 9-9 Won 3 7-3
Washington 33 45 .423 15.0 15-19 18-26 14-17 12-15 2-5 Lost 1 3-7
Atlanta...... 33 46 .418 15.5 14-20 19-26 15-17 4-6 11-14 Lost 1 3-7

Central..... W L Pct GB Home Road East Cent West Streak L10
St. Louis.. 42 34 .553 --- 24-15 18-19 11-2 18-19 10-5 Lost 8 2-8
Cincinnati. 41 36 .532 1.5 17-20 24-16 9-7 26-17 3-5 Lost 1 4-6
Milwaukee. 39 40 .494 4.5 25-17 14-23 11-7 15-19 7-8 Lost 1 5-5
Houston... 38 41 .481 5.5 25-18 13-23 9-6 16-12 8-13 Lost 3 2-8
Chi Cubs.. 29 48 .377 13.5 13-22 16-26 4-8 19-19 3-12 Won 1 3-7
Pittsburgh 26 52 .333 17.0 18-21 8-31 4-7 13-21 8-15 Lost 12 0-10

West............. W L Pct GB Home Road East Cent West Streak L10
San Diego..... 40 36 .526 --- 20-21 20-15 7-9 14-6 13-14 Won 1 6-4
LA Dodgers... 40 38 .513 1.0 23-16 17-22 9-10 12-7 15-13 Lost 3 4-6
Colorado....... 39 38 .506 1.5 20-18 19-20 10-9 8-9 13-17 Won 1 5-5
San Francisco 38 38 .500 2.0 21-20 17-18 9-10 10-8 13-13 Won 1 4-6
Arizona......... 37 40 .481 3.5 19-21 18-19 7-10 14-9 15-12 Lost 1 2-8

x-Clinched Playoff Spot; y-Division Champ

Last updated Wednesday, Jun 28, 2006 6:07 pm EDT

[sahen]

Originally posted by Bulldog_12
Everett????? Are you kidding? He is easily one of, if not the best on this team when it comes to defense. He has made a million plays that leave the announcers and myself speechless. Apparently you dont realize that while he may not have a high BA, his RBI is at 28 right now, one behind Lane and 7 ahead of Burke. I hate hearing people saying get rid of Everett and put in bruntlett or anyone else for that matter. He is HUGE on this team.
some people dont appreciate defense, everett may not hit that great but he more than makes up for it on how many hits he takes away at short, its the same way w/ ausmus, u never realize how much u depended on guys like that til they leave....

[CalallenWildcat]

Call up some of the Texas League leading Corpus Christi Hooks

[Tiger Baseball]

Originally posted by shellman54
place the entire bullpen except Dave Borkowski on waivers. Bring Hunter Pence up from AA and let him play in the outfield. Talk Dennis Eckersley and Rollie Fingers out of retirement. Put Chris Burke at short and trade Adam Everett to whoever for a bat boy and some baseballs. Show the team a video on how a bat works, and that it is better if you swing it. Buy Roy Oswalt another tractor.

This is good :thinking: but N. Ryan needs to be added to that retirement list.

[AggieJohn]

i think that we should have a couple of the younger guys sent down or traded away

[BTEXDAD]

Originally posted by Buccaneer


Central..... W L Pct GB Home Road East Cent West Streak L10
St. Louis.. 42 34 .553 --- 24-15 18-19 11-2 18-19 10-5 Lost 8 2-8
Cincinnati. 41 36 .532 1.5 17-20 24-16 9-7 26-17 3-5 Lost 1 4-6
Milwaukee. 39 40 .494 4.5 25-17 14-23 11-7 15-19 7-8 Lost 1 5-5
Houston... 38 41 .481 5.5 25-18 13-23 9-6 16-12 8-13 Lost 3 2-8
Chi Cubs.. 29 48 .377 13.5 13-22 16-26 4-8 19-19 3-12 Won 1 3-7
Pittsburgh 26 52 .333 17.0 18-21 8-31 4-7 13-21 8-15 Lost 12 0-10



always something positive if you look for it.
Cards also playing poorly. Astros only 5 1/2 games out. around 4 games out on wild card. Much better than last year at this time.

[AggieJohn]

Originally posted by BTEXDAD
always something positive if you look for it.
Cards also playing poorly. Astros only 5 1/2 games out. around 4 games out on wild card. Much better than last year at this time. exactly, but the whole staff is older than they were last year

[BTEXDAD]

Originally posted by AggieJohn
exactly, but the whole staff is older than they were last year

Agree 100%.
I had pretty much given up on Astros last two years and they proved me wrong.
This year I'm trying to stay optimistic, which based on my normal run of luck, means the 'Stros will go completely into the tank.

[AggieJohn]

yeah, that's why i'm being so mean abou them, i'm hoping they turn around but i'm acting like they won't

it's funny how we root for our teams

[Bulldog_12]

The facat that they are only 51/2 games out with as crappy as they have been playing is very encouraging. The rest of the division is pretty crappy right now. Hopefully a mad rush to the finish could even secure us a 1st place finish. Thats just hopefuly thinking though.:D

[Fal44]

Astros will make another Run like the past two years, they have done it and it will be done again this year. look at the Oakland A's they always have an awesome second Half

[Adidas410s]

Astros should just quit...definitely the best option! :thumbsup:

[wedo]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
Astros should just quit...definitely the best option! :thumbsup:

For real b/c they really suck!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wordonthastreet]

get some new players as far as offensive production and fire the hitting coach.

[Bulldog_12]

Firing the hitting coach wont solve a thing. Their production offensively is way up from last year, they have just hit a couple of really good pitchers this last week and a half and that is all you are remembering. And ESPN wont let you remember before that with all of their stats about Roger getting no support etc.

Case in point, the 12 inning game with the ChiSox. 10 runs etc.

[wedo]

Originally posted by Bulldog_12
Firing the hitting coach wont solve a thing. Their production offensively is way up from last year, they have just hit a couple of really good pitchers this last week and a half and that is all you are remembering. And ESPN wont let you remember before that with all of their stats about Roger getting no support etc.

Case in point, the 12 inning game with the ChiSox. 10 runs etc.

Ok so why is the relieve pitching so bad?

[Buccaneer]

The relief pitchers' ERA that relieve a game that Oswalt starts is 8.58 and that was before Sunday's game when the relievers gave up 7 runs in 2 innings after Oswalt left leading 9-2.

[kepdawg]

Trade Clemens to the Rangers! They could use him as a closer!

[Buccaneer]

Should O's trade Tejada?

Baltimore Examiner columnist Phil Wood: "They had designs on a deal that would have brought Texas first baseman — and local product — Mark Teixiera to Baltimore, but that never panned out. A couple of sources said Houston offered shortstop Adam Everett and closer Brad Lidge, but the Orioles felt that wasn’t enough."

[sahen]

Originally posted by Buccaneer
Should O's trade Tejada?

Baltimore Examiner columnist Phil Wood: "They had designs on a deal that would have brought Texas first baseman — and local product — Mark Teixiera to Baltimore, but that never panned out. A couple of sources said Houston offered shortstop Adam Everett and closer Brad Lidge, but the Orioles felt that wasn’t enough."
so we would score more runs, yet the bullpen would still give up just as many....im not so sure that deal would have been good anyway unless if we find a closer somewhere....

[BTEXDAD]

more positives about Astros. Although Astros are struggling, they have done much of it against the three hottest teams in baseball.
through Sunday's games the 3 teams with best records for past 15-16 games were the Twins, White Sox and Tigers. Twins had gone 15-1 and only picked up half a game on tigers. White Sox were like 13-2. Tigers I think 14-1. The one loss for twins was against 'Stros and one of the 2 losses for Sox was against 'Stros.
Possibly, and I'm only thinking out loud, astros aren't as bad as we (including me) think.