Barry Bonds

[Cameron Crazy]

What does everyone think about him any inputs?

[piratebg]

Originally posted by Cameron Crazy
What does everyone think about him any inputs?


Input? How about a couple hundred ccs of the good stuff. :D

[mrescape43]

LOSER!

[GreenMonster]

In his defense, he broke no written rules of the game. Therefore, any and all records should (IMO) stand as being good. NOW, if I were to say what I truly felt I would get ROMMED. Bonds deserves to swap places with Pete Rose, standing on the outside looking in wondering what went wrong.

[mrescape43]

Barry Bonds is a steriod using loser and I wish he would collapse and never hit another HR.

[smustangs]

Originally posted by GreenMonster
In his defense, he broke no written rules of the game. Therefore, any and all records should (IMO) stand as being good. NOW, if I were to say what I truly felt I would get ROMMED. Bonds deserves to swap places with Pete Rose, standing on the outside looking in wondering what went wrong.

AMEN pete rose is getting punished(cuz what i want to say would prolly get me rommed) and bonds is still going strong and pete rose was twice the player bonds is and he never even bet against his team

[Pmoney]

Originally posted by mrescape43
Barry Bonds is a steriod using loser and I wish he would collapse and never hit another HR.
i agree

[Chief Ohera]

barry is simply the best ever player to ever set foot on the diamond. His numbers speak for themselves.

and remember this my fellow brothers, he hasn't been convicted of using steroids so all that can be said is just opinions, no "FACTS"

until next time.................

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Chief Ohera
and remember this my fellow brothers, he hasn't been convicted of using steroids so all that can be said is just opinions, no "FACTS"

until next time.................

And remember that he testified before a grand jury to have used the "cream" and the "clear" which are two substances, as I'm sure an expert like you knows, have been proven to be illegal substances.

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by smustangs
...pete rose was twice the player bonds is and he never even bet against his team
1.) Pete Rose is a bigger piece of crap than Barry. Period.

2.) Pete Rose made it big because he was a hustle player. He was never as good a hitter as Tony Gwynn, Wade Boggs or George Brett, he just ran his butt off every hit and got on base any way he could... plus he played some 25 years. That's why he has the hit record.

Never did have much power. Never had much speed. Barely a .300 lifetime hitter. An average defensive player.

3.) Charlie Hustle is immortalized because he broke Cobb's record and he was one of the club leaders of the Big Red Machine, but he was never the player that Barry was. Bonds was better with the leather, had more speed, tons more power (he hit 46 home runs back in '93, long before he ever swelled up), and was just as patient a hitter.

There's no way Rose can even be mentioned in the same breath as Bonds. Heck, Rose wasn't even the best player on his team. That honor goes to Texas' own Joe Morgan... and I'd even say that Johnny Bench, Tony Perez and George Foster were just as feared at the plate as Rose.

You take away the record, Rose is another Robert Horry.

4.) On that note, Bonds (allegedly) cheapened all his natural talent after injuries started taking their toll. Rose has less character than anyone who's ever stepped foot on a field, but I love the way he played the game.

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by Chief Ohera
barry is simply the best ever player to ever set foot on the diamond. His numbers speak for themselves...
Do they?

Ruth (http://baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=ruthba01)

Mays (http://baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=mayswi01)

Foxx (http://baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=foxxji01)

Williams (http://baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=willite01)

Gehrig (http://baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=gehrilo01)

...and here's Bonds (http://baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=bondsba01).

And if you want to compare some other years side by side, apples to apples, look at Griffey in the mid- to late-90's.

Griffey (http://baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=griffke02)

[JasperDog94]

You look at Bonds numbers before he started juicing and carry them through his career. He's nothing but an average player that makes good contact. The roids just helped that contact go further. He's a cheater and should be banned from the game. just my 2 cents.

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
You look at Bonds numbers before he started juicing and carry them through his career. He's nothing but an average player that makes good contact. The roids just helped that contact go further. He's a cheater and should be banned from the game. just my 2 cents.
Bonds pre-roids, before the "offensive explosion" years during the late-90's.

YEAR... AB/HR/RBI/SB/AVG.

1986... 413/16/48/.223 (He was only 21 when he broke into the bigs)

1987... 551/25/59/.261

1988... 538/24/58/.283

1989... 580/19/58/.248

1990... 519/33/114/.301 (First huge offensive season... he was 25)

1991... 510/25/116/.292

1992... 473/34/103/.311

1993... 539/46/123/.336

1994... 391/37/81/.312

1995... 506/33/104/.294


Silver Slugger 7 out of 10 times in the 90's, including every year from '90 through '94. Definitely pre-roid years. Just some food for thought.

[Chief Ohera]

well then, lets look at it this way,

if everyone thinks he cheated and used steroids why then did he have better numbers than everyone else during this time period that many people "assumed" a majority of the players used steroids.

barry if he did use steroids certainly wasn't the only athlete to use them.

and "Steroids" isn't cheating, cheating is doing something that "noone" else is doing.

bonds is by far the best "all-around player to ever grace the diamond. bar none.

Give credit where credit is due, the man is great and why doesn't the stupid ass government go after other players not just barry bonds.

until next time..............

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Chief Ohera
well then, lets look at it this way,

if everyone thinks he cheated and used steroids why then did he have better numbers than everyone else during this time period that many people "assumed" a majority of the players used steroids.

barry if he did use steroids certainly wasn't the only athlete to use them.

and "Steroids" isn't cheating, cheating is doing something that "noone" else is doing.

bonds is by far the best "all-around player to ever grace the diamond. bar none.

Give credit where credit is due, the man is great and why doesn't the stupid ass government go after other players not just barry bonds.

until next time..............

So wait...let me see if I get this straight???

1. As long as other people are doing something...then it's ok??? Even if it's against the rules/laws that you are bound to...as long as you aren't the only person doing it then it's acceptable.

2. It's only cheating if you are the only person doing it. This has to be the dumbest thing that you have EVER said. I can't even believe I have found words to respond because I am dumbfounded by your lack of intelligence and common sense.

3. The government is going after Bonds. Heck the Senate didn't even call him in to testify when they had other players in to testify.

Seriously...find somebody who actually believes the crap that comes out of your mouth and I will leave you alone for good.


Until next time...stopping being a moron!

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by Chief Ohera
well then, lets look at it this way,

if everyone thinks he cheated and used steroids why then did he have better numbers than everyone else during this time period that many people "assumed" a majority of the players used steroids.
Just look at Gehrig, Foxx's, and Ruth's numbers. They had that kind of production during the era of Lefty Grove, Walter Johnson, Grover Cleveland Alexander, Dizzy Dean, and the rest of the best crop of pitchers the game's ever seen. Ruth put up numbers better than Bonds throughout his career. Eleven 30-homer seasons, four 50-homer years, and a 60-homer year in an era where 30 dingers was unheard of.

Remember, before Babe Ruth's 29-homer season back in 1919, the single-season record was 27 by Ned Williamson waaaaay back in 1884. That's a record that stood for almost 40 years. The very next season, he parked an unfathomable 54 in the bleachers. Put Ruth's and Gehrig's accomplishments into perspective for that time frame, and they were much more impressive than Bonds' 72 dingers.

Even though Gehrig's best power season was only a 49-homer season, for the era that was an amazing accomplishment. Top it off with the fact that Gehrig had seven 140+ RBI seasons (including a 184-RBI season... the American League record) and there's no way Bonds can compare. Especially when he played in an era when there were five 60-homer seasons.

[JasperDog94]

I still say that Bonds is no Hall of Famer before juicing.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
I still say that Bonds is no Hall of Famer before juicing.

So if somebody hands you these numbers and says "is this guy a HOF player" you would say no?

YEAR... AB/HR/RBI/AVG.

1986... 413/16/48/.223 (He was only 21 when he broke into the bigs)

1987... 551/25/59/.261

1988... 538/24/58/.283

1989... 580/19/58/.248

1990... 519/33/114/.301 (First huge offensive season... he was 25)

1991... 510/25/116/.292

1992... 473/34/103/.311

1993... 539/46/123/.336

1994... 391/37/81/.312

1995... 506/33/104/.294

1996... 517/42/129/.308

1997...532/40/10/.292

1998...552/37/122/.303

It is assumed that he started taking steroids after 1998...these numbers alone (and I left out his steals...something else that sets him apart from others) would more than put him in the HOF in my book.

[JasperDog94]

Sorry, but in my book it doesn't matter when you took the roids. It's like Pete Rose, but worse. If you are caught using roids, then you should be banned for life from the hall of fame. JMO...sorry Raffy.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
Sorry, but in my book it doesn't matter when you took the roids. It's like Pete Rose, but worse. If you are caught using roids, then you should be banned for life from the hall of fame. JMO...sorry Raffy.

If they were not illegal (according to MLB) at the time he was allegedly taking them...then what rules did he break?

[JasperDog94]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
If they were not illegal (according to MLB) at the time he was allegedly taking them...then what rules did he break? The laws set by the FDA. Steriods are illegal without a doctor's authorization.

[Cameron Crazy]

anyone see that grand slam by one of the cubs hitter whats his name?

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Cameron Crazy
anyone see that grand slam by one of the cubs hitter whats his name?

yeah...that guy...that was impressive! Now if Chief could get that guy on some roids then it would have been even better I'm sure! :rolleyes: