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Keith7
03-23-2006, 12:45 AM
Scout: Young runs 40-yard dash in 4.58
ESPN.com news services

Quarterback Vince Young was timed in 4.58 seconds in the 40-yard dash Wednesday on what is considered a fast track at the University of Texas in Austin, one NFL scout told ESPN's Chris Mortensen. The scout said Young's time was slower than anticipated.

-- Vince Young's time of 4.58 would put him in sixth place among QBs
According to the same scout, Young's overall workout was "fairly impressive," but the scout said that Young was not asked to make certain drops and throws that he would have to perform in a private team workout.

While Young completed all but five of more than 50 passes, a scout told Mortensen, "That wasn't a remarkable achievement because he wasn't asked to make many tough throws and he waited a lot on his receivers to get out of their breaks. Teams that are curious about the guy are going to want to see more when they work him out."

One of those teams is the Tennessee Titans, who will give Young a private workout on Thursday in Austin, site of Wednesday's pro workout day for Young his his Longhorn teammates.

Other teams that have scheduled private workouts include the Houston Texans and New York Jets.

Asked to compare Young's workout to one given last Friday by Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler in cold weather and swirling winds, one scout said told Mortensen, "There was no comparison. Cutler made all the throws in tough conditions while Young limited his range of throws and he was indoors."

USC quarterback Matt Leinart, the consensus top passer available for the April 29 NFL draft, will work out on April 2 on the Southern Cal campus.

Young, the former Texas quarterback, worked out for 30 minutes in front of more than 100 NFL scouts, coaches and executives who are paying close attention to the quirky throwing motion that still raises questions despite delivering a national championship.

"Very impressed," said new Texans coach Gary Kubiak, whose team owns the No. 1 pick. "The kid put on a show."

Texas officials said Washington was the only team not to have someone watching the workout.

One owner, the Texans' Bob McNair, introduced himself to Young before the throwing session. Young is from Houston and has said he'd like to play for his hometown fans.

"I think he had a good workout," McNair said.

The Texans, who were 2-14 last season, are expected to lean toward drafting USC tailback and Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush after extending quarterback David Carr's contract for three years.

McNair said he hopes to attend Bush's workout early next month. But he also indicated the Texans haven't decided who to draft or whether to keep or trade the pick.

As a quarterback who can run or throw, Young is the most intriguing player in the draft, scheduled for April 29-30 in New York. He may also be the most scrutinized as teams try to decide whether his Rose Bowl performance of 467 total yards and three rushing touchdowns will translate into the NFL.

"It's a very valuable pick," McNair said. "We all want to make a good decision."

According to NFL.com, Young measured 6-foot-4 5/8 and 228 pounds. He ran one 40-yard dash, timing 4.57 seconds, although Young said he was told he timed between 4.4 and 4.5.

Although Young wasn't scheduled to run Wednesday, he said he wanted to after watching some of his teammates do it.

"They wanted to see me run, so I ran," he said.

The change of heart impressed Kubiak.

"He's very competitive and got in an environment where everybody wanted to see him operate," Kubiak said. "He did a great job."

Young spent most of the last two seasons operating out of the shotgun. Wednesday's drills had him taking simulated snaps under center and working with five- and seven-step drops in the pocket.

"I showed them everything they wanted to see," Young said, adding he'll do individual workouts for teams that ask.

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QB 40-yard dash times
Reggie McNeal, Texas A&M, 4.35
Marcus Vick, Va. Tech, 4.42
Brad Smith, Missouri, 4.46
D.J. Shockley, Georgia, 4.56
Barrick Nealy, Texas St., 4.57
Bruce Gradkowski, Toledo, 4.59
Ingle Martin, Furman, 4.68
Tarvaris Jackson, Alabama St., 4.75
Brett Basanez, Northwestern, 4.75
Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt, 4.77
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

Keith7
03-23-2006, 12:46 AM
oops ignore this, i see the story has already been posted by adidas

PPHSfan
03-23-2006, 07:41 AM
who is Barrick Nealy?

injuredinmelee
03-23-2006, 07:48 AM
the Texas State QB.

clayton7
03-23-2006, 08:11 AM
Given Youngs fairly large size, I dont think that a 4.58 is all that slow. But again thats just my personal opinion.

PPHSfan
03-23-2006, 08:15 AM
it's not how fast you run, it's knowing WHERE and WHEN to run.

District303aPastPlayer
03-23-2006, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by PPHSfan
who is Barrick Nealy?

in the summer, he and his Tx St boys would make the drive to austin and have a 7-on-7 game with VY and his boys... from what was said about BN on ESPN during the D2 playoffs... you can interchange the two with similar results

JasperDog94
03-23-2006, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by PPHSfan
it's not how fast you run, it's knowing WHERE and WHEN to run. True. If here were indeed that slow, how is that nobody seemed to be able to catch him this last year? He's got Barry Sanders type moves at the QB position.

rholl
03-23-2006, 10:35 AM
I don't think the NFL is concerned about his running ability. There is enough evidence that he can run. His throwing is what is going to make/break him.

Bullaholic
03-23-2006, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by PPHSfan
it's not how fast you run, it's knowing WHERE and WHEN to run.

Kinda like you and G2, PPHSFan? :D

Phil C
03-23-2006, 11:04 AM
If you don't think he can pass or run just rewatch the 2006 Rose Bowl. Anyone that sees that is foolish to not take him no. 1 in the draft.
Results on the field is what is important.

Adidas410s
03-23-2006, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Phil C
If you don't think he can pass or run just rewatch the 2006 Rose Bowl. Anyone that sees that is foolish to not take him no. 1 in the draft.
Results on the field is what is important.

And any of the above mentioned QB's could throw on USC's defense!!! Radio's best performance against a quality defense was @ Ohio St when he threw for 299 yards against one of the top defenses in the land. SC's defense (especially pass defense) was WAY over-hyped and Radio got out there and proved why...along with just about every other QB that played them this season.

Phil C
03-23-2006, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by Adidas410s
And any of the above mentioned QB's could throw on USC's defense!!! Radio's best performance against a quality defense was @ Ohio St when he threw for 299 yards against one of the top defenses in the land. SC's defense (especially pass defense) was WAY over-hyped and Radio got out there and proved why...along with just about every other QB that played them this season.

Right you are indeed Adidas plus another factor was that the game was played in Ohio.

Gp83
03-23-2006, 12:16 PM
Seems everyone is trying to take VY down this offseason. Something NO ONE could DO during the season! Geez let the man play football.:mad:

Adidas410s
03-23-2006, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by Gp83
Seems everyone is trying to take VY down this offseason. Something NO ONE could DO during the season! Geez let the man play football.:mad:

His biggest supporter is Mel Kiper. Kiper is NOT high on Jay Cutler as "the next Brett Favre" like everybody else is. He was on M&M this morning AGAIN pointing out that Cutler didn't do anything special at Vanderbilt, the Senior Bowl, the combine, his workout, etc. He said he is a good pocket passing QB with very good arm strength but hasn't demonstrated anything that deserves the "WOW" that he is getting in the media.

Phil C
03-23-2006, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by Gp83
Seems everyone is trying to take VY down this offseason. Something NO ONE could DO during the season! Geez let the man play football.:mad:

Hey Gp remember after the Ohio State game and all season long they plugged Vince for the Heisman Trophy and then Reggie has one great game and they deserted Vince all of a sudden and some voting sports writers even admitted they didn't see either one played but went with their west coast connections.
Then after the Rose Bowl he was Mr. Wonderful and they urged him to go pro and they said anyone that didn't take Vince would be sorry. Then he goes pro and now they are deserting him again. Shows how fickle the media is.

I bet if he had stayed at UT one more year they would be howling about how he should have gone pro and been the sure no. 1 draft. Geeeze!

Emerson1
03-26-2006, 07:54 PM
It's not allmedia, it's the ESPN bias against texas. After his pro day these were some of the national headlines


Headline on ESPN:
"Vince Young's 4.58 in 40 slower than expected"


Headline on SI:
"Young impressive in workout for NFL scouts"


Other headlines that pull up on google:
"Young passes test" - Robertson County Times, TN

"Young tries to impress during his pro workouts" - Austin American Statesman

"Young Works Out for Scouts" - LA Times

"Answer man: Vince Young wows 'em at workout" - Dallas Morning News

Even the LA Times said in its blurb that "Vince Young threw sideline passes, deep routes and across the middle. Some were touch passes, others he fired as hard as he could. Almost all were on target."

Emerson1
03-26-2006, 07:58 PM
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Old Tiger
03-26-2006, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by Adidas410s
His biggest supporter is Mel Kiper. Kiper is NOT high on Jay Cutler as "the next Brett Favre" like everybody else is. He was on M&M this morning AGAIN pointing out that Cutler didn't do anything special at Vanderbilt, the Senior Bowl, the combine, his workout, etc. He said he is a good pocket passing QB with very good arm strength but hasn't demonstrated anything that deserves the "WOW" that he is getting in the media. Mel Kiper Jr is the man when it comes to the NFL draft