Celina vs 3a 2005

[PPHSfan]

August 26 at Royse City W 35-0

September 2 at Nevada Community W 69-0

September 9 Pilot Point W 42-0

September 16 at Pottsboro W 71-0

September 23 Little Elm W 50-3

[SnyTigBaseB07]

Originally posted by PPHSfan
August 26 at Royse City W 35-0

September 2 at Nevada Community W 69-0

September 9 Pilot Point W 42-0

September 16 at Pottsboro W 71-0

September 23 Little Elm W 50-3


Well looks like it wont be too hard will it .

[Txbroadcaster]

Royce City was 6-5
NC was 2-8
PP was 6-5
Pottsboro was 0-10
Little Elm was 8-4

combined 22-32

Not posting this as a negative against Celina or a Positive, just putting the teams records

[PPHSfan]

So they only managed to hang half a hundred on a 3a playoff team that went two rounds deep. :eek:

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by PPHSfan
So they only managed to hang half a hundred on a 3a playoff team that went two rounds deep. :eek:

Yea but take a closer look at Little Elm's schedule and they did not exactly beat a bunch of powers

[PPHSfan]

Maybe not, but the other 3 3a teams that beat Little Elm were.

Bridgeport 1 point.

Decatur 32 points.

Iowa Park 23 points.

Celina beat them 50-3

[PPHSfan]

As I recall,

Iowa Park went four or five rounds.

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by PPHSfan
As I recall,

Iowa Park went four or five rounds.

They were beat the next week by Sweetwater

[PPHSfan]

So let me ask you a question.

How many 2005 3a teams can you say would have easily beaten Celina last year?

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by PPHSfan
So let me ask you a question.

How many 2005 3a teams can you say would have easily beaten Celina last year?


hmmm good question..but I have to ask..what do you mean by easily?

[PPHSfan]

Maybe I should re-phrase.

How many teams can You Easily name?

[Txbroadcaster]

Sweetwater
Gainesville
Tatum
Gilmer
Canton
D-Field
Ab. Wylie
Cuero
Libery Eylau


And I could go on

[PPHSfan]

And you saw Celina play how many times last year?

[Txbroadcaster]

saw them in the state finals

[PPHSfan]

I will bet you a six pack of Dublin Dr Pepper that Celina goes at least 9-1 in the regular season next year in 3a and goes at least 3 rounds deep. :D

[SnyTigBaseB07]

Originally posted by PPHSfan
I will bet you a six pack of Dublin Dr Pepper that Celina goes at least 9-1 in the regular season next year in 3a and goes at least 3 rounds deep. :D

DUDE! i'll take that bet...they wont go 9-1..they'll go like...6-4

provided they end up in a moderately tough district

[Txbroadcaster]

Originally posted by PPHSfan
I will bet you a six pack of Dublin Dr Pepper that Celina goes at least 9-1 in the regular season next year in 3a and goes at least 3 rounds deep. :D

Well that all depends on where they end up. With the right district yes they could go 9-1 but if they end up playing East Texas teams early in the play-offs then they will have problems, just like the last time they were in 3A

[PPHSfan]

Originally posted by SnyTigBaseB07
DUDE! i'll take that bet...they wont go 9-1..they'll go like...6-4

Well their last two times in 3a they went 10-0 and 9-1 in the regular season.

You sure you don't want to read some history first?

[SnyTigBaseB07]

Well lets see where they end up

[HighSchool Fan]

Originally posted by Txbroadcaster
Royce City was 6-5
NC was 2-8
PP was 6-5
Pottsboro was 0-10
Little Elm was 8-4

combined 22-32

Not posting this as a negative against Celina or a Positive, just putting the teams records

22-32, and that's probably the hardest non-district schedule they've played in 15 years.

[3afan]

that scheduling "strategy" sure seems to be working for them !

[lostaussie]

celina will have a 9 or 10 win regular season. also will be highly ranked becuase of biased media and will go 2 or 3 rounds deep depending on when they come to east texas. now if something crazy happened and they went with gainseville to region 1 they could possibly go deeper in playoffs. i expect them in region 2.

[3afan]

Originally posted by lostaussie
celina will have a 9 or 10 win regular season. also will be highly ranked becuase of biased media and will go 2 or 3 rounds deep depending on when they come to east texas. now if something crazy happened and they went with gainseville to region 1 they could possibly go deeper in playoffs. i expect them in region 2.

if Celina is highly ranked its certainly not due to media bias - they have earned that on the field ... IMO

[lostaussie]

they haven't earned anything in 3a.

[3afan]

well THAT is true

[HighSchool Fan]

Originally posted by lostaussie
they haven't earned anything in 3a.

the last time in 3a they lost 3 games in 2 years. that's pretty impressive. one of the losses was to the best team in 3a that year.

[lostaussie]

Originally posted by HighSchool Fan
the last time in 3a they lost 3 games in 2 years. that's pretty impressive. one of the losses was to the best team in 3a that year. i'm not downplaying the fact that they are a great program. my point is, in 2 years in 3a, they went 2 rounds deep. so did 32 other teams.

[HighSchool Fan]

Originally posted by lostaussie
i'm not downplaying the fact that they are a great program. my point is, in 2 years in 3a, they went 2 rounds deep. so did 32 other teams.

so 2 rounds deep isn't anything to be proud about?

[lostaussie]

Originally posted by HighSchool Fan
so 2 rounds deep isn't anything to be proud about? didn't say that. what i said is they will be ranked in top 10 by a biased media and do not deserve to be until they have proven themselves worthy in 3a. i think coming in they will be in the top 20 to 25 programs in the state.

[HighSchool Fan]

Originally posted by lostaussie
didn't say that. what i said is they will be ranked in top 10 by a biased media and do not deserve to be until they have proven themselves worthy in 3a. i think coming in they will be in the top 20 to 25 programs in the state.

i think you really put to much stock in the polls. how many preseason top 10 teams has played in the state game the last few years? this year and the year Gainesville won state they wasn't even in the top 10 until late in the season.

[lostaussie]

Originally posted by HighSchool Fan
i think you really put to much stock in the polls. how many preseason top 10 teams has played in the state game the last few years? this year and the year Gainesville won state they wasn't even in the top 10 until late in the season. this is exactly the reason i do not put any stock in polls. because the people that do them don't do any research.

[HighSchool Fan]

how much media bias went into ranking SLC in the top 10 when they went to 4a then to 5a?

[lostaussie]

Originally posted by HighSchool Fan
how much media bias went into ranking SLC in the top 10 when they went to 4a then to 5a? probably alot. but then they deemed themselves worthy of the ranking. celina had a chance and did not. i think you are taking me all wrong. celina has a great program and history. one that nearly every other school in the state should be and are jealous. very few schools can match what they have done. slc, plano maybe a very few others. but if and when they move up to 3a they will be ranked in the top 10 to start the season on what they have done in 2a. not what they are going to do in 3a.

[HighSchool Fan]

Originally posted by lostaussie
probably alot. but then they deemed themselves worthy of the ranking. celina had a chance and did not. i think you are taking me all wrong. celina has a great program and history. one that nearly every other school in the state should be and are jealous. very few schools can match what they have done. slc, plano maybe a very few others. but if and when they move up to 3a they will be ranked in the top 10 to start the season on what they have done in 2a. not what they are going to do in 3a.

this year's teams should have little to do with next season's ranking. the ranking are based on what you have now, not what you had last year.

[lostaussie]

that is what they are supposed to be based on. in reality it for the most part is not. remember last year when a couple of teams got votes in poll for classifications that they were not even in. i put more stock in polls that are done on the dlow by matthew than i do media polls. at least he does some research and knows about the teams.

[HighSchool Fan]

Originally posted by lostaussie
that is what they are supposed to be based on.

then why wasn't Gainesville #1 the year after they won state? why wasn't Abilene Wylie #1 after they won state? why wasn't Gilmer #1 after they won state? why wasn't Atlanta #1 after they won state? Gainesville wasn't even in the top 10 the year after they won state. that proves your theory wrong that it's based on last season. it's based on what you have for the upcoming year.

[lostaussie]

dang it. i went by 1300 and didn't even realize it.......

[PPHSfan]

Originally posted by lostaussie
...... very few schools can match what they have done. ....

No school in Texas has come close to matching what they have done.

69 wins in a row and four consecutive state titles. They moved up a classification and won 11 more games in a row before losing game number 70 by a missed extra point.

[PPHSfan]

Originally posted by HighSchool Fan
22-32, and that's probably the hardest non-district schedule they've played in 15 years.

They beat Royse City the year before last too. And Royse City was a 3a Semi-Final team that lost to the State Champs.

[Adidas410s]

fyi...SLC didn't come into 5A with a lot of respect. Smithson Valley did...SLC did not. Take a look:

Jerry's 2002 Preseason 5A Rankings (http://www.texasfootballratings.com/20025APreStateRanks.html)

Celina started the season at #14 in Jerry's poll

Jerry's 2002 Preseason 3A Rankings (http://www.texasfootballratings.com/20023APreStateRanks.html)

They didn't get THAT much hype coming in. They started the year at #14 and finished the year at #14...take it for what it's worth.

In 2003...they started the year at #26 Jerry's 2003 Preseason 3A Rankings (http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2003Pre3Aranks.html) and finished the year at #11. Jerry's 2003 Final 3A Rankings (http://www.texasfootballratings.com/20033AStateRanks.html)

[Chris Hart]

Celina has definately done something that has never been done in Texas High School football with the 69 straight wins and 4 consecutive titles. But, they did that in 2A, not 3A, in which they will soon be a member for the second time. Their first time in 3A was during this streak, and a 3A team also ended that streak. I think they did about as well as a 2A champ could be expected to do jumping up a class. They will perform very well again in 3A. I expect them to once again be a top 15-25 team in 3A, just as they were last time. I admire their program, and am very impressed with their run in 2A. But, IMO, what Southlake Carroll has done is much more impressive. They didn't move up a classification and lose in the second round, and have their winning streak snapped. They moved up a class, to 5A, in which it is much harder to repeat as champs. They have won 3 out of the last 4 5A state championships, and have competed in all 4 state championship games since they moved up to 5A. They lost that game also by 1 point. They are 63-1(?) or something like that since moving up. They are the two time defending 'Mythical National Champion', and I don't see the end in sight. If I were to rank the greatest runs(accomplishments) in Texas high school football history, it would go like this....

1) SLC's current run
2) Celina's 69 straight wins, and 4 straight 2A titles
3) Sealy's 4 straight 3A titles
4) Cuero's 44 game winning streak

All were awesome runs, no doubt...:)

[Matthew328]

Celina is to be respected w/o a doubt....11-1 and 10-2 in two years in 3A....not bad....but I don't consider them state title material....especially with what they are losing

[lostaussie]

Originally posted by Chris Hart
They will perform very well again in 3A. I expect them to once again be a top 15-25 team in 3A, just as they were last time.
i'm glad someone finally agrees with me.

[gtownpoke]

I'm not saying they are going to suck. I am just saying I dont think they will be nearly as dominant as they were in 2A.

[HighSchool Fan]

Originally posted by gtownpoke
I'm not saying they are going to suck. I am just saying I dont think they will be nearly as dominant as they were in 2A.

i don't think anyone here said they would dominate. some people are just putting to much stock in a poll that doesn't even come out for about 7 months.

[lostaussie]

Originally posted by HighSchool Fan
i don't think anyone here said they would dominate. some people are just putting to much stock in a poll that doesn't even come out for about 7 months. 7 months:weeping::weeping::weeping:

[Fletch]

Originally posted by Matthew328
Celina is to be respected w/o a doubt....11-1 and 10-2 in two years in 3A....not bad....but I don't consider them state title material....especially with what they are losing

AND, they'll be one of the smaller schools in 3A again. Don't forget that 3A has the biggest disparity between the top and bottom.

Some schools (Gainesville) will be over twice as big as they are. I don't think that Southlake had that factor to deal with when they moved up, as quickly as they were growing at the time. It will take a year or two for Celina to get their numbers up.

[HighSchool Fan]

Originally posted by Fletch
AND, they'll be one of the smaller schools in 3A again.


very lame excuse, but atleast celina is consistant with it. tatum is smaller than celina and still won state in 3a.

[Fletch]

Originally posted by HighSchool Fan
very lame excuse, but atleast celina is consistant with it. tatum is smaller than celina and still won state in 3a.

I've learned my lesson with you on another board. I won't be responding to you on this one. Logic and facts have no bearing on you.

You are an expert on Celina, yet you didn't see them play once this year.

Have a nice life.

[HighSchool Fan]

Originally posted by Fletch
I've learned my lesson with you on another board. I won't be responding to you on this one. Logic and facts have no bearing on you. Have a nice life.

only facts that you can twist have bearings with you

[PPHSfan]

Originally posted by Fletch
AND, they'll be one of the smaller schools in 3A again. Don't forget that 3A has the biggest disparity between the top and bottom.

Some schools (Gainesville) will be over twice as big as they are. I don't think that Southlake had that factor to deal with when they moved up, as quickly as they were growing at the time. It will take a year or two for Celina to get their numbers up.

Gainseville had 880 or so when Celina moved up the first time. Celina had 345 as I recall. Celina still managed to beat them.

[HighSchool Fan]

Originally posted by PPHSfan
Gainseville had 880 or so when Celina moved up the first time. Celina had 345 as I recall. Celina still managed to beat them.

gainesville's never been in the high 800's. 828 is what gainesville had the last time.

please tell me again how tatum won with being one of the smallest schools. seems like they didn't need an excuse.