NFL's Bottom 5

[3afan]

YUCK !!!

28. Green Bay Packers (3-11) – Honestly, you have to pity this team after it lost Samkon Gado on Monday night. But cheer up, Packers fans. At least you've won the right to audition Rod Gardner for two games.

29. New Orleans Saints (3-11) – Jim Haslett can say whatever he wants about wanting to coach this team next season. The demand for a contract extension is the crowbar he's using to pry himself free of Tom Benson's disaster.

30. Houston Texans (2-12) – After fourth-quarter collapses led to three straight losses by a combined 10 points, Houston finally put one away in the first half. Now we can put to bed those conspiracy theories about throwing games for the No. 1 pick.

31. San Francisco 49ers (2-12) – A win would be nice, but first things first. Alex Smith has got to get at least one touchdown pass before the end of the season.

32. New York Jets (3-11) – Brooks Bollinger is starting to look like a silver lining to the season. At the very least, the Jets know they have some talent to work with if they can't find a more palatable alternative at quarterback.

[LewP]

Originally posted by 3afan
YUCK !!!

28. Green Bay Packers (3-11) – Honestly, you have to pity this team after it lost Samkon Gado on Monday night. But cheer up, Packers fans. At least you've won the right to audition Rod Gardner for two games.

29. New Orleans Saints (3-11) – Jim Haslett can say whatever he wants about wanting to coach this team next season. The demand for a contract extension is the crowbar he's using to pry himself free of Tom Benson's disaster.

30. Houston Texans (2-12) – After fourth-quarter collapses led to three straight losses by a combined 10 points, Houston finally put one away in the first half. Now we can put to bed those conspiracy theories about throwing games for the No. 1 pick.

31. San Francisco 49ers (2-12) – A win would be nice, but first things first. Alex Smith has got to get at least one touchdown pass before the end of the season.

32. New York Jets (3-11) – Brooks Bollinger is starting to look like a silver lining to the season. At the very least, the Jets know they have some talent to work with if they can't find a more palatable alternative at quarterback.

Actually, I think the Saints should have been spotted 3 points every game this year for being a road team evey game.

Houston may get the #1 pick in the draft.

San Francisco got the this years #1 pick and trying to improve.

Brett Favre will probably retire after this debacle.

Which leaves the lowly Jets and Vinny as my pick as the worst team.

[HighSchool Fan]

Originally posted by LewP
Jets and Vinny

have you been watching the jets lately? Vinnie hasn't played in quiet a few weeks.

[LewP]

Originally posted by HighSchool Fan
have you been watching the jets lately? Vinnie hasn't played in quiet a few weeks.

Nah...I am to Vinny, like Injured in the melee is to HEB stores.

[3afan]

why? :confused:

[LewP]

Man, I just can't stand Vinny. The guy should retire.
After his experience here last year, I almost get sick when I see that guy.

I guess he is sort of the poster boy for the Parcells old regime. Which, then I start thinkng about the Minni-Vinnie that we have on the Cowboys today. Immobile quarterbacks that play in the pocket like a statue. I wish at this point Parcells would put that second stringer in.

[HighSchool Fan]

Originally posted by LewP
Immobile quarterbacks that play in the pocket like a statue.

how many scrambling QB's have won a SB? the better QB's in the history of the NFL are pocket passers.

[LewP]

Originally posted by HighSchool Fan
how many scrambling QB's have won a SB? the better QB's in the history of the NFL are pocket passers.

Maybe, but how QB that belong to AARP have won the Super Bowl...LOL j/k

[HighSchool Fan]

Originally posted by LewP
Maybe, but how QB that belong to AARP have won the Super Bowl...LOL j/k

your previous post said nothing about age, only said they were immobile.

[3afan]

Originally posted by LewP
Man, I just can't stand Vinny. The guy should retire.
After his experience here last year, I almost get sick when I see that guy.

I guess he is sort of the poster boy for the Parcells old regime. Which, then I start thinkng about the Minni-Vinnie that we have on the Cowboys today. Immobile quarterbacks that play in the pocket like a statue. I wish at this point Parcells would put that second stringer in.

wow, all he's done kept himseld in great shape, play good (enuf to stay in the league) football for a lot of years, come to Dallas and try his best to win games for the Cowboys. its unfortunate that you dont like his style and that you "can't stand" someone who you don't even know.

but, this IS America where we can all express our views! Happy Holidays !!!!! :wave:

[LewP]

The two go hand in hand :D

[HighSchool Fan]

Originally posted by LewP
The two go hand in hand :D

age and immoblility go hand and hand? best passer ever was Dan Marino and he was never mobile, even at a young age. When the so-called new age QB finally wins something, i might change my opinion on scrambling QB's. right now i'll take the style of QB play that wins when it counts, pocket passers with limited mobility.

[LewP]

Originally posted by HighSchool Fan
age and immoblility go hand and hand? best passer ever was Dan Marino and he was never mobile, even at a young age. When the so-called new age QB finally wins something, i might change my opinion on scrambling QB's. right now i'll take the style of QB play that wins when it counts, pocket passers with limited mobility.

And how many rings does Marino have?

Aikman was in my opinion the best QB to have in that era.

[HighSchool Fan]

Originally posted by LewP
And how many rings does Marino have?

Aikman was in my opinion the best QB to have in that era.

Aikman = immobile
Montana = immobile
Brady = immobile
Bradshaw = immobile

do we need to keep going

[LewP]

Originally posted by HighSchool Fan
Aikman = immobile
Montana = immobile
Brady = immobile
Bradshaw = immobile

do we need to keep going

Well, I guess so, I don't think any of those mentioned were immobile. Are you comparing Brady to Testaverde?

[3afan]

Passing Yardage Leaders
RK PLAYER AMT
1 Dan Marino 61,361
2 Brett Favre 52,895
3 John Elway 51,475
4 Warren Moon 49,325
5 Fran Tarkenton 47,003
6 Vinny Testaverde 45,189
7 Drew Bledsoe 43,106
8 Dan Fouts 43,040
9 Joe Montana 40,551
10 Johnny Unitas 40,239
11 Dave Krieg 38,147
12 Boomer Esiason 37,920
13 Jim Kelly 35,467
14 Jim Everett 34,837
15 Jim Hart 34,665
16 Steve DeBerg 34,241
17 John Hadl 33,503
18 Phil Simms 33,462
19 Steve Young 33,124
20 Troy Aikman 32,942

[LewP]

Originally posted by 3afan
Passing Yardage Leaders
RK PLAYER AMT
1 Dan Marino 61,361
2 Brett Favre 52,895
3 John Elway 51,475
4 Warren Moon 49,325
5 Fran Tarkenton 47,003
6 Vinny Testaverde 45,189
7 Drew Bledsoe 43,106
8 Dan Fouts 43,040
9 Joe Montana 40,551
10 Johnny Unitas 40,239
11 Dave Krieg 38,147
12 Boomer Esiason 37,920
13 Jim Kelly 35,467
14 Jim Everett 34,837
15 Jim Hart 34,665
16 Steve DeBerg 34,241
17 John Hadl 33,503
18 Phil Simms 33,462
19 Steve Young 33,124
20 Troy Aikman 32,942

Yes, I think the thread went to mobile vs. immobile quarterbacks. And Dan Marino's name came up. A great QB indeed, but you can have all the great passing numbers in history, but did it ever get him a single Super Bowl victory, and obviously the answer is no. My point is, Testaverde and Bledsoe put some good numbers up, but the bottom line is, I think Testaverde was a mistake here in Dallas, but since we sort of needed him in an emergency, I tried to understands Parcell's problem.

I also understand that Bledsoe has had some good moments this year..especially early on...but he is just a younger Vinny. I'm not talking about scrambling around like Fran Tarkenton did, I am just saying can the QB move just a little bit if he sees the pocket breaking down? At least move outside of the tackles and throw the ball away if the coverage downfield is going to prevent a completeion. Bill Parcells is a great coach, but man ya'll can't tell me this team was ready to play against the Deadskins the other day. That may have been the most embarrasing loss in many years.

[3afan]

Originally posted by LewP
....I think Testaverde was a mistake here in Dallas, ...

can't disagree with that, but its no reason not to like the guy IMO ... VT's a class act IMO

[LewP]

Originally posted by 3afan
can't disagree with that, but its no reason not to like the guy IMO ... VT's a class act IMO

You are right 3afan...when I said I didn't like the guy..I meant as a player..I think he's a great guy personally...

[3afan]

Originally posted by LewP
Bill Parcells is a great coach, but man ya'll can't tell me this team was ready to play against the Deadskins the other day. That may have been the most embarrasing loss in many years.

thats on the players - they are adults, professionals, they should not need a rah rah coach to get them motivated to play in a game of that magnitude ... also IMO

[LewP]

Originally posted by 3afan
thats on the players - they are adults, professionals, they should not need a rah rah coach to get them motivated to play in a game of that magnitude ... also IMO

Again 3a, I agree with ya...I am saying we should have had a better GAME PLAN...not rah rah.

Apparantly, we didn't have a solid game plan and the execution wasn't there either.

Heck, even Tatum makes half-time adjustments.

[Jason1725]

Actually Bradshaw was pretty mobile when you compare him to some one like Marino here are his career stats. Also one of the best mobile QB's was inducted into the Hall of Fame recently Steve Young was very mobile and he won a Super Bowl


http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BradTe00.htm

[big daddy russ]

Oh my Lord do we have to get in a pissing contest over whether or not Lew likes Vinny Testaverde?

And in Lew's defense, #'s 2-4 on that all-time list were all mobile QB's.

[3afan]

i wouldnt call that a pee-ing contest, we were discussing the merits, not attacking each other. besides it ended over 4 hours prior to your comment ......

happy friday ...

[LewP]

Just for the record...I enjoy 3a's comments...he';s usually the first one here in the morning and seems to always be in a good mood.

I don't think our discussion was anything but discussion. Frankly, I enjoy 3a. I like the smiley face for his avatar also...

I appreicate your comments Russ...but it's all good.:D

[big daddy russ]

Sorry guys, it just looked like one from the outside looking in. And 3afan, I don't look at the times whenever I log on.

Happy Friday.

[TPlinebacker53]

testaverde was pretty good 20 years ago