3A All State

[HighSchool Fan]

call me a homer if ya want, but not having Franklin from Gainesville not getting atleast honorable mention is a joke.

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by HighSchool Fan
call me a homer if ya want, but not having Franklin from Gainesville not getting atleast honorable mention is a joke. There were no programs to be found when I arrived at the game? Which number was he? Cause that #3, 8 & 34 were just crazy awesome!!! At least those were the ones that really stood out to me. :)

[HighSchool Fan]

Originally posted by pirate4state
There were no programs to be found when I arrived at the game? Which number was he?

linebacker #34

[LH Panther Mom]

Okay, you're a homer. :p

I haven't seen the list yet. :(

[eagle.eyes]

(AP) - The Class 3A All-State high school football team, released Wednesday, as voted on by The Associated Press Sports Editors based on regular-season performance. Players are listed in alphabetical order at each position.

FIRST TEAM OFFENSE:

OFFENSIVE LINE:

_ JOEY ADAMS, Cuero, Sr., 6-4, 285. Graded 95 percent, 50 knockdowns.

_ BUCK BURNETTE, Wimberley, Sr., 6-3, 310. 87 knockdowns, no sacks allowed, graded 92 percent.

_ JOHN MARSHALL, Mount Vernon, Sr., 6-2, 275. Second team All-State in 2004.

_ JEREMY STRONG, Carthage, Sr., 6-1, 285. 79 pancakes, graded 90 percent or better each game.

_ MARCUS ZAROSKY, Cameron Yoe, Sr., 6-2, 220. Graded 90 percent or better each game, 84 pancake blocks.

ENDS/RECEIVERS:

_ PAUL QUIJANO, Poteet, Sr., 6-2, 180. 52 rec., 1,112 yards, 17 TDs.

_ TAYLOR SANCHEZ, Bridgeport, Sr., 6-0, 175. 60 rec., 1,096 yards, 13 TDs; 164 yards, 5 TDs rushing.

QUARTERBACK:

_ G.J. KINNE, Canton, Jr., 6-2, 210. 228-391-10 for 3,410 yards, 35 TDs; 185 carries, 852 yards, 15 TDs rushing.

RUNNING BACKS:

_ SHELDON FEIST, Comanche, Sr., 5-11, 180. 1,647 yards, 19 TDs.

_ SAM GRAVES, Monahans, Sr., 5-11, 180. 141 carries, 1,326 yards, 26 TDs.

_ COLIN JONES, Bridgeport, Sr., 5-11, 187. 174 carries, 1,293 yards, 18 TDs; 837 yards, 11 TDs receiving.

KICKER:

_ RYAN SPENCE, Decatur, Sr., 6-2, 190. 48-of-48 PATs, 11-of-15 FGs, long 57.

OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR: G.J. Kinne Jr., Canton

___

FIRST TEAM DEFENSE:

LINEMEN:

_ RUSSELL CLAYTON, Sweetwater, Sr., 6-1, 220. 92 tackles, 7 sacks.

_ LEROY JUAREZ, Rio Hondo, Sr., 5-11, 225. 82 tackles, 17 sacks, 2 FR, 3 FF, blocked kick.

_ COBY LEE, Carthage, Sr., 6-3, 190. 79 tackles, 17 TFL, 9 sacks, 5 FF, 2 FR, blocked FG.

_ J.T. SCHAFFER, Sanger, Sr., 6-2, 210. 86 tackles, 11 TFL, 10 sacks, 2 FF, INT.

LINEBACKERS:

_ JACOB BIDDLE, Wimberley, Sr., 6-0, 180. 121 tackles, 11 TFL, 5 sacks, 5 FF, 2 FR, INT.

_ ALAN DOCK, Giddings, Soph., 5-10, 195. 185 tackles, 8 sacks, 10 FF, 2 INTs, 7 FR.

_ JASON THOMASSON, Daingerfield, Sr., 6-0, 190. 103 tackles, 11 TFL, 3 sacks, 2 FF, FR, 2 hurries, 2 PBU, 2 INTs.

BACKS:

_ BRADY BLACK, Muleshoe, Sr., 6-0, 205. 101 tackles, 5 PBUs, 2 TFL, 1 FR, 1 FF, 3 INTs.

_ GARRET DYER, Wimberley, Sr., 5-7, 175. 58 tackles, 9 INTs, 9 PBU.

_ JARED PEDDY, Canyon, Sr., 5-11, 175. 62 tackles, 3 PBUs, 10 INTs.

_ JASON TEAGUE, Carthage, Sr., 6-2, 190. 79 tackles, 8 INTs, 9 PBUs, 4 FF, 3 FR, 5 blocked punts, blocked FG.

PUNTER:

_ KELSEY LARSON, Kaufman, Sr., 6-1, 175. Averaged 44.2 yards per punt, long of 68.

DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR: Jason Teague, Carthage

___

SECOND TEAM OFFENSE

LINEMEN:

_ ADAM AYCOCK, Barbers Hill, Sr., 6-3, 275.

_ JOE JOE BIRDWELL, Monahans, Sr., 6-0, 210.

_ SAM EIDSON, Abilene Wylie, Sr., 6-2, 265.

_ LONNIE EDWARDS, Jr., Brownsboro, 6-5, 315.

_ CADE HALES, Canyon, Sr., 6-5, 265.

ENDS/RECEIVERS:

_ CHANCE McCOY, Graham, Jr., 6-2, 180.

_ GARY EDWARDS, Abilene Wylie, Jr., 5-9, 145.

QUARTERBACK:

_ CASE KEENUM, Abilene Wylie, Sr. 6-2, 195.

RUNNING BACKS (four due to tie in voting):

_ BRADY BLACK, Muleshoe, Sr.m 6-1, 205.

_ CASEY KOCIUBA, Liberty Hill, Sr., 6-1, 190.

_ MICHAEL REED, Liberty-Eylau, Sr., 5-10, 180.

_ CLIFTON SIMIEN, Hardin-Jefferson, Sr., 6-2, 185.

KICKER:

_ JIMMY HOPPER, Canyon, Sr., 5-9, 169.

SECOND TEAM DEFENSE

LINEMEN:

_ KENNY KIMBRO, Wimberley, Sr., 6-0, 180.

_ JARED ROBERTSON, Abilene Wylie, Sr., 6-0, 230.

_ JOHN THOMAS RUDD, Cuero, Sr., 6-2, 230.

_ JASON THOMPSON, Dallas Madison, Sr., 6-5, 230.

_ RYAN UECKERT, Sinton, Jr., 5-9, 230.

LINEBACKERS:

_ JUSTIN ADAMES, Sweetwater, Jr., 5-9, 186.

_ DASON JACKSON, Cuero, Jr., 5-10, 180.

_ SEAN WEATHERSPOON, Jasper, Sr., 6-1, 200.

BACKS:

_ LOGAN BRYAN, Brownsboro, Jr., 6-3, 175.

_ CHRIS COLLINS, Monahans, Sr. 5-11, 160.

_ KYLE MUNIZ, Devine, Sr., 6-2, 170.

_ EARL THOMAS, West Orange-Stark, Jr., 5-11, 175.

PUNTER:

_ WILL MIDDLEBROOKS, Liberty-Eylau, Jr., 6-4, 190.

___

HONORABLE MENTION OFFENSE:

LINEMEN: Matt Swanson, Monahans; Chase Ashworth, Snyder; Randy Calderon, Lubbock Cooper; Taylor Jones, Sweetwater; Caleb Westbrook, Borger; Zac Serna, Sanger; Devin Rotramel, Devine; Aaron Marshall, Emory Rains; Chris Luckey, Liberty Hill; Geoffrey Sirkel, Muleshoe; Luis Gonzalez, Abilene Wylie.

WIDE RECEIVERS: Willie Darden, Gilmer; Andrew Massey, Lytle; Leon Mickens, Palestine; Houston Tuminello, Canton; Eric Wait, White Oak; Mason Fisher, Barbers Hill; Greg Franklin, Canyon; Jacoby Franks, West Orange-Stark; LaDarius White, West Orange-Stark;Max Hernandez, Somerset; Derek Evans, Cameron Yoe; Jared Peddy, Canyon.

QUARTERBACK: Jamell Kennedy, Gilmer; Anthony Ramos, Canyon; Kenneth Beasley, West Orange-Stark; Kyle Noack, Cuero; Brandon Cobb, Decatur; Ryan Durban, Bridgeport.

RUNNING BACKS: Shawnbrey McNeal, Dallas Madison; Mickey Norris, Kennedale; Jason Teague, Carthage; Parris Brown, Hallettsville; Chris Valdez, Lytle; D.J. Stewart, Bonham.

KICKERS: Garret Dyer, Wimberley; A.J. Hecker, Bridge City; Eric Wait, White Oak.

HONORABLE MENTION DEFENSE:

LINEMEN: Jason Thompson, Dallas Madison; Ross Basham, Bridgeport; Brandon Fangman, Sweetwater; Tyler Mayberry, Lubbock Cooper; Jesse Schoessow, Glen Rose; Tyler Driggers, Snyder; Cody Sparks, Bridge City; Justin Adames, Sweetwater.

LINEBACKERS: Tony Taveras, Groesbeck; Stephen DeGrate, Liberty-Eyalu; Hector Jiminez, Poteet; Brett Bamert, Muleshoe; Chris Smith, Snyder; David Groseclose, Bonham; Sam Elmore, Bridge City; Richard Carlisle, Kaufman; Travis Vickery, Longview Spring Hill; Wes Liles, Clyde; Larry Moore, Emory Rains; Jason Garrett, Bridgeport; Tyler Whitworth, Borger.

BACKS: Jeremy Torerez, Snyder; Charlie Mann, Perryton; Austen Wilemon, Yoakum; Garrett Pinson, Snyder; Justin Wesley, Cuero; Todd Patton, Barbers Hill; Blake Patton, Barbers Hill; Chris Goetzel, Sinton; Tyler Jones, Emory Rains.

PUNTER: Dane Kubecka, Palacios; John Gold, Palestine; Jeff Stringer, Bridge City

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by HighSchool Fan
linebacker #34 you're right that is crazy!!!


OH and CONGRATS TO RYAN UECKERT for making All State!! :thumbsup: :clap:

:doh: I totally missed Chris Goetzel on the list!! :clap:

[jmcgee]

Call me a homer too but I thought #3 Joseph Banyard would at least get honorable mention for Rb or LB. he had similar #'s to the First Team RB's and his team went further in the playoffs?Oh Well.

[football4life]

Originally posted by jmcgee
Call me a homer too but I thought #3 Joseph Banyard would at least get honorable mention for Rb or LB. he had similar #'s to the First Team RB's and his team went further in the playoffs?Oh Well.

SUPPOSEDLY this is just based on the regular season....

[wos fan1]

This whole AP thing is a joke!! No Beasley???? :mad:

[football4life]

Originally posted by wos fan1
This whole AP thing is a joke!! No Beasley???? :mad:

Oh wow, didn't see that, that's a bit suspicious....

[3afan]

Beasley is HM QB

[Macarthur]

If that's the list, then it is a joke.

If you are telling me that Tyler Duggins at Iowa Park isn't one of the top 21 offensive linemen in 3A, then you are smoking crack. I saw at least 3 Sweetwater DL on that list. Ask them about him as IP racked up 200 yards rushing running primarily behind him right at those 3 all state DL.

Absolute insult.

:mad:

I mean no disrespect to those kids, BTW. It would be comical if it wasn't so blatantly rediculous.

[smustangs]

can someone tell me y justin adames is a second team lb and then also listed as hm defensive lineman he didnt play dl at all

[jmcgee]

Originally posted by 3afan
Beasley is HM QB I thought he was a CB?

[3afan]

is the AP one of those all-whatever teams that you must be NOMINATED by your coach OR local media?????? it must be ....

[3afan]

Originally posted by jmcgee
I thought he was a CB?

whatever he is - this has him as QB

[smustangs]

does anyone know when the coaches poll comes out?

[Adidas410s]

WOW...Chance McCoy of Graham as 2nd team!!! That's a big shocker right there! Yeah he was all-state in 2A but his numbers this year weren't that great. Surprising to see 3 Wylie guys above honorable mention. Not sure if that has ever happened before...

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
WOW...Chance McCoy of Graham as 2nd team!!! That's a big shocker right there! Yeah he was all-state in 2A but his numbers this year weren't that great. Surprising to see 3 Wylie guys above honorable mention. Not sure if that has ever happened before...

Check that...4 guys including my good buddy Sam Eidson as 2nd team OL. Also had the center (1st year starter) as honorable mention. Congrats to those guys...:clap:

[Sweetwater Red]

Keep in mind that there are 3 or 4 versions
of the "All-state team". Depends on which
version you believe.

[jmcgee]

Originally posted by Sweetwater Red
Keep in mind that there are 3 or 4 versions
of the "All-state team". Depends on which
version you believe. Well I dont believe in this one. Too Many ??????

[Tatum_Fan]

I don't believe in this one for sure....

There aren't any Tatum players on here, but several from Carthage and Spring Hill (both in 16-3A with Tatum)

I know which "district" doesn't have much to do with individual honors, but come on....Daylon McCoy????

RIDICULOUS

[sww-bull52]

There are some great players on here, but WAY too many great players not on here.

[lostaussie]

Originally posted by Macarthur
then you are smoking crack.
don't go down that road again:D. it's a dead end.

[justlikesports]

I agree with the fact that some VERY good players were left off. Would like to know how this one is selected. But I do want to say congrats to Sam Graves, Joe Joe Birdwell, Chris Collins and Matt Swanson from Monahans.

[wos fan1]

This AP crap is a joke!!! :mad:

[GreenGobbla]

my boy joey adams got the first team all-state linemen....wussup baby...congrats to my boy JA..........also congrats to my bot JTrudd for makin second team defense

[Crimestick]

Beasley will be a DB or WR at Texas, but he played QB this year. He passed for 2,000 and ran for 1,400 and scored 47 total TDs. He was good enough to be named as an Army All American and Dave Campbell's 3A POY, but not good enough to be first OR second team all-state. Interesting...

[wos fan1]

Amazing isn't it??? That's the AP for you. :mad:

[sww-bull52]

I think the AP gets together, drinks TONS of booze, and draws names out of hat.

[hornfan]

i think this is very much based on stats and which people the writers saw throughout the year so i think this is why alot of pretty darn good players got left off which is sad.

[3afan]

exactly - the writers vote local, its that simple

[lostaussie]

Originally posted by 3afan
exactly - the writers vote local, its that simple agree. they vote local and they vote what they have HEARD. there will be several other all state teams and some of these same boys will be left off. they are all good, along with many more. so congrats to all of them.

[Z motion 10 out on 2]

The AP is regular season only. Players are nominated by the AP media rep in the areas around the state. Most regional newspapers have one. Any All Star team will leave some out. Remember how many football players there are in class 3A. There will be another ALL STATE team out soon. The Texas Sports Writers Association consideres all games played including the playoffs.

Then you have all the regional newspapers they will have an all region team if you will. Also TexasPrepXtra has an all Region team (West, East, North South).

Congrats to the players that made the list. It is an honor to be recoginzed for your acomplishments. I hope that the players that were left off of this one will be recoginzed by the sports writers or TexasPrepXtra.

[wos fan1]

Originally posted by sww-bull52
I think the AP gets together, drinks TONS of booze, and draws names out of hat. I think your right!

[Boosty_Hondo]

xall me a homer too vut i think Andy Werner should have made it also he was our running back and he had 1,500 yars and 30 td's

[trenchdweller]

if you look closely you will see a third place finisher in their district, with padded stats, selected on both defense and on offense

[Leopards,class of 75]

Is this the main 3A All -State selections? I didn't see one Gainesville Leopard player listed.

[3afan]

read above for the reason(s) why ...........

[Leopards,class of 75]

Originally posted by 3afan
read above for the reason(s) why ........... Thanks, I didn't read that post above.

[football4life]

Originally posted by sww-bull52
I think the AP gets together, drinks TONS of booze, and draws names out of hat.

Yea im sure they do.:rolleyes: Lets think about this for a second. There are maybe 1000 players in 3A in the entire state. How would YOU like to select 22 for those two teams. Good luck pal. Congrats to those who were drawn out of the hat!

[sww-bull52]

Originally posted by football4life
Yea im sure they do.:rolleyes: Lets think about this for a second. There are maybe 1000 players in 3A in the entire state. How would YOU like to select 22 for those two teams. Good luck pal. Congrats to those who were drawn out of the hat!

It's definetly not a job I would want. Knowing myself, I would vote everybody in. Everyone of these guys work hard and give it their all.

[Kt0r]

Isnt it interesting that the two teams in the finals dont have a single player on the list?

[shadow13]

It's weird because,Gary Edwards got 1st team all-district at RB. and 2nd team all-state at WR. Someone tell me ,is that possible,because i don't know maybe it is.

[eagle.eyes]

He was like 15th in the state in receiving also.

[football4life]

Originally posted by eagle.eyes
(AP) - based on regular-season performance.

[shadow13]

Originally posted by eagle.eyes
He was like 15th in the state in receiving also. thanks for clearing that up for me. 15th oh ok

[wos fan1]

Originally posted by Kt0r
Isnt it interesting that the two teams in the finals dont have a single player on the list? Not a surprise with those idiots voting!

[stangfan24]

I really think that it is sad that everyone is to busy complaining about EVERYTHING possible instead of giving support and praise to those who were lucky enough to make this list. I realize really great athletes have been left off. It is always going to be that way when you have to narrow it down to a few players from the masses. So congratulations to those who were selected, and good luck to everyone on making the other lists.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by stangfan24
I really think that it is sad that everyone is to busy complaining about EVERYTHING possible instead of giving support and praise to those who were lucky enough to make this list. I realize really great athletes have been left off. It is always going to be that way when you have to narrow it down to a few players from the masses. So congratulations to those who were selected, and good luck to everyone on making the other lists.

even more so at QB when they name ONE first team and ONE second team...there are 10 QB's that could quickly be thrown into consideration for the top two spots...

[3afan]

Originally posted by stangfan24
I really think that it is sad that everyone is to busy complaining about EVERYTHING possible instead of giving support and praise to those who were lucky enough to make this list. I realize really great athletes have been left off. It is always going to be that way when you have to narrow it down to a few players from the masses. So congratulations to those who were selected, and good luck to everyone on making the other lists.

its like that every year ... people B & M without knowing or caring how this particular all state team is derived ... then they call 'em idiots cause their guy isnt listed.

[donjuan]

Congrats to Sam Graves, Chris Collins, Matt Swanson, and Joe Joe Birdwell. How does the defensive end #34 Richardson get left off of this list? Was he nominated? He was dominant. How about the two linebackers from Monahans Larry Jasso and the Brooks kid. They were very good too.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by donjuan
Congrats to Sam Graves, Chris Collins, Matt Swanson, and Joe Joe Birdwell. How does the defensive end #34 Richardson get left off of this list? Was he nominated? He was dominant. How about the two linebackers from Monahans Larry Jasso and the Brooks kid. They were very good too.

sorry this isn't the Monahans all-state team...:rolleyes:

[send 'em all]

What a joke!!! It's all politics...

[Tatum_Fan]

I am not trying to take anything away from those that made it

I just don't see how 3 players from any one team could make it, unless the process is seriously flawed.

CARTHAGE had THREE players, which is only 15 miles from Tatum. I just don't see how that happened - if they were that "loaded" then it should be them in the finals instead of Tatum

[LewP]

I know it's just the way of the world, and I know when it comes to recognition in anything, some deserving people get left out.

I often wonder if recognition of awards hurts more feelings than recognition of others.

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by stangfan24
I really think that it is sad that everyone is to busy complaining about EVERYTHING possible instead of giving support and praise to those who were lucky enough to make this list. I realize really great athletes have been left off. It is always going to be that way when you have to narrow it down to a few players from the masses. So congratulations to those who were selected, and good luck to everyone on making the other lists.

Something tells me that you would be right there if SW had been slighted. So how many kids from SW make it and no one from Tatum?

No one is trying to slight the kids that did make it, but when you have kids that have been dominate and are going D1 and don't make the list, then it's flawed. I'm sorry, but it's that simple.

And how does a kid make all-state on offense with 2 positions? That is absolutely rediculous.

[yoemenkracker30]

Congratulations to the Mad Moose Marcus Zarosky, OL, Cameron Yoe....heck of a season with very little recognition. Also, IMHO, how the heck did Cameron Yoe WR Derek Evans just get HM? I mean no offense to anybody else but the kid was all over the field. Everybody on here knows about him.....oh well, congrats on a good season and good luck at next level.

[rdeidson]

Neat tidbit from Abilene Reporter News:

"it (All-State Team) meant more to him (Sam Eidson) than perhaps any other Bulldog because his dad, Taylor County District Attorney James Eidson, was named to the all-state team in 1971 as a senior at Eastland High School.

''It feels pretty great to be carrying that torch,'' Sam Eidson said. ''I had some pretty big shoes to fill.'' "

Another All-State selection whose dad was All-State (also in 1971) was Joe Joe Birdwell of Monahans.

I'm sure there are others??

[stangfan24]

Originally posted by Macarthur
Something tells me that you would be right there if SW had been slighted. So how many kids from SW make it and no one from Tatum?

No one is trying to slight the kids that did make it, but when you have kids that have been dominate and are going D1 and don't make the list, then it's flawed. I'm sorry, but it's that simple.

And how does a kid make all-state on offense with 2 positions? That is absolutely rediculous.

I would not be complaining because SW is a team not made up of a couple superstars. Everyone relied on each other. I do not really expect people to notice individual SW athletes, but when they do, it is really a great honor. Sweetwater is just like everyone else who has other great athletes that didn't get picked for this one.

Maybe people aren't intentianally slighting the kids, but all it would take to slight them is to read this thread.

I agree with you that Tatum kids deserve to be there too. I saw ya'll play. There are certainly some outstanding players on the team. I think we should just say that instead of demeaning the list where other boys feel like they were selected to some crackpot list.

[3afan]

Originally posted by send 'em all
What a joke!!! It's all politics...

actually its NOT politics .. read the thread and you'll see how this team is put together ...

[Macarthur]

I can understand how some kids on the list might find my comments demeaning, but I'm sorry.

BTW, I'm not from Tatum; I'm just pointing out the rediculous fact that they have something like 4 D1 prospects on their team, and no one from Tatum makes the team?

The problem is that the process by which these kids are chosen is flawed. It is patently unfair to kids who live in areas that their local newspaper (if they have one) is asleep at the wheel. It is widely known that the West Texas newspapers really push their kids hard. That's fine; no one would blame them for doing so. But how is that fair to a kid in NC Texas, East Texas or anywhere else where their paper either has no vote or their paper sucks? I know you SW folks are proud of your kids, and you should be because they had a great season. But can you objectively look at that list and tell me you guys deserved 5 players and IP and Tatum deserved zero between the two of them!?

[neck_06]

PUNTER: Dane Kubecka, Palacios

all right palacios!

[shadow13]

It's funny, how during the regular season all you hear is " WE'RE A TEAM" IT'S A TEAM SPORT" and at the end of the year everyone is crying because their guy didn't make the INDIVIDUAL AWARD list. GO FIGURE!

[neck_06]

Originally posted by shadow13
It's funny, how during the regular season all you hear is " WE'RE A TEAM" IT'S A TEAM SPORT" and at the end of the year everyone is crying because their guy didn't make the INDIVIDUAL AWARD list. GO FIGURE!

very true

:thinking: :thinking: :thinking:

[kaorder1999]

Originally posted by shadow13
It's funny, how during the regular season all you hear is " WE'RE A TEAM" IT'S A TEAM SPORT" and at the end of the year everyone is crying because their guy didn't make the INDIVIDUAL AWARD list. GO FIGURE!

i was just thinking that!

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by shadow13
It's funny, how during the regular season all you hear is " WE'RE A TEAM" IT'S A TEAM SPORT" and at the end of the year everyone is crying because their guy didn't make the INDIVIDUAL AWARD list. GO FIGURE!

No one is mimimalizing the importace of team, but these awards and recognition are very important to everyone involved. Many kids get college scholarships based on someone seeing their name on these types of lists. It doesn't make you a "non-teamplayer" to enjoy recognition for your hard work.

[3afan]

Originally posted by Macarthur
Many kids get college scholarships based on someone seeing their name on these types of lists.

DISAGREE - very few IF ANY get scholarships based on names on these types of lists ... scholarships are too precious to schools, they are not going to give one to a kid just 'cause he made some all-whatever team. coaches do their homework and give scholarships to kids they have seen and evaluated and believe can help their programs.

[Adidas410s]

In regards to Beasley being left off the QB list...I heard from a local writer that it was a 3-man race between Kinne, Keenum, and Beasley for the 2 spots. Kinne beat Keenum by 2 votes and Beasley by either 5 or 6. Long and short, Case got the WTX votes, Kinne the ETX and DFW, Beasley with Houston and STX and everybody was kind of split throughout I-35 corridor and the CenTex region...which turned out to be the tiebreaking votes. Makes one wonder if the shooting last spring made Kinne's name "more recognizable" to writers who only knew what they read and the stats on each player.:thinking:

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by 3afan
DISAGREE - very few IF ANY get scholarships based on names on these types of lists ... scholarships are too precious to schools, they are not going to give one to a kid just 'cause he made some all-whatever team. coaches do their homework and give scholarships to kids they have seen and evaluated and believe can help their programs.

I didn't mean the coaches gave them a scholarship because they made the list. I meant that they may get noticed by the list. The coach requests film, and bam, he gets an offer. That does happen, and if you think it doesn't, you aren't very familiar with the process. Keep in mind, I'm not talking about the UTs, A&Ms, etc. of the world that have multi-million dollar recruiting budgets. I'm talking about the smaller schools.

[Tatum_Fan]

From www.kltv.com

12/14/05
3A All-State Team Released With Mixed Reviews From East Texans



The Class 3A All-State high school football team was released Wednesday, as voted on by The Associated Press Sports Editors based on regular-season performance. The list includes many East Texans, like Canton QB G.J. Kinne, who was voted Offensive Player of the Year. But the list has to be taken with a grain of salt, because not one member of the state finalist Tatum Eagles football team was represented.

[shadow13]

Originally posted by Macarthur
No one is mimimalizing the importace of team, but these awards and recognition are very important to everyone involved. Many kids get college scholarships based on someone seeing their name on these types of lists. It doesn't make you a "non-teamplayer" to enjoy recognition for your hard work. We are talking about fans on here posting not players! OK

[Z motion 10 out on 2]

Originally posted by Macarthur
I meant that they may get noticed by the list. The coach requests film, and bam, he gets an offer. That does happen, and if you think it doesn't, you aren't very familiar with the process. Keep in mind, I'm not talking about the UTs, A&Ms, etc. of the world that have multi-million dollar recruiting budgets. I'm talking about the smaller schools.

Your right on about getting noticed. Z Jr. was an All State DB and after the list came out we started getting letters from several NAIA schools that were interested in seeing game tape. Had he not been recogized I'm sure they would have never known about him.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by Tatum_Fan
From www.kltv.com

12/14/05
3A All-State Team Released With Mixed Reviews From East Texans



The Class 3A All-State high school football team was released Wednesday, as voted on by The Associated Press Sports Editors based on regular-season performance. The list includes many East Texans, like Canton QB G.J. Kinne, who was voted Offensive Player of the Year. But the list has to be taken with a grain of salt, because not one member of the state finalist Tatum Eagles football team was represented.

don't worry too much...my senior year we lose in the finals and have ONE guy on the list...as honorable mention at DB cuz he had 10 or 11 INT's for the year. None of the 5 or 6 guys that went on to play college ball got any mention at all.

[shadow13]

Originally posted by Z motion 10 out on 2
Your right on about getting noticed. Z Jr. was an All State DB and after the list came out we started getting letters from several NAIA schools that were interested in seeing game tape. Had he not been recogized I'm sure they would have never known about him. True ,but anyone can go to a NAIA school and play football, they don't have to be noticed on an all state list.

[Z motion 10 out on 2]

Originally posted by shadow13
True ,but anyone can go to a NAIA school and play football, they don't have to be noticed on an all state list.

Not sure that is true. They only have 16 full scholarships at NAIA schools. (I think that is right about the 16 but not 100% sure). Division II has 36 full rides. After Z Jr. made the list we only got letters from the NAIA's schools. We had already made visits to the D II schools so they already knew about him.

In every media guide that I have seen they list all the players accomplishments in high school to include the All State Honors.

[Z motion 10 out on 2]

NAIA could have 24 schollies I just can't remember.

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by shadow13
True ,but anyone can go to a NAIA school and play football, they don't have to be noticed on an all state list.

That doesn't make any sense. No, not everyone can play college ball.

[3afan]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
In regards to Beasley being left off the QB list...I heard from a local writer that it was a 3-man race between Kinne, Keenum, and Beasley for the 2 spots. Kinne beat Keenum by 2 votes and Beasley by either 5 or 6. Long and short, Case got the WTX votes, Kinne the ETX and DFW, Beasley with Houston and STX and everybody was kind of split throughout I-35 corridor and the CenTex region...which turned out to be the tiebreaking votes. Makes one wonder if the shooting last spring made Kinne's name "more recognizable" to writers who only knew what they read and the stats on each player.:thinking:

he was not left off ::
QUARTERBACK: Jamell Kennedy, Gilmer; Anthony Ramos, Canyon; Kenneth Beasley, West Orange-Stark; Kyle Noack, Cuero; Brandon Cobb, Decatur; Ryan Durban, Bridgeport.

[Hupernikomen]

AP list always has huge players left out. Jasper's Jorrie Adams was the 3A player of the year by Dave Campbell but wasn't voted onto the AP all-state team. It happens every year. All those listed are no doubt super athletes and deserve recognition.

[3afan]

Originally posted by Macarthur
I didn't mean.......... . I meant that

sorry - can't go by what you meant, only by what you say .... ;)

i guess a coach COULD see a name on a list, request film, like what he sees and offer a scholoarship ... but I bet it happens that way rarely ....

[cdlvj]

Originally posted by hornfan
i think this is very much based on stats and which people the writers saw throughout the year so i think this is why alot of pretty darn good players got left off which is sad.

The blame should go on the coaches as they simply do not update the statistics properly. You pretty much can go to three or four places, newspapers/THCA, numbers are missing, don't add up, are totally different for the same game, no defensive stats at all, missing games etc.

So how are you suppose to choose, when such a mess exists. I believe that the UIL should take control, and get some accurate numbers out there.

[shadow13]

Originally posted by Macarthur
That doesn't make any sense. No, not everyone can play college ball. NAIA ,anyone who is a decent high school player can play at the NAIA level

[send 'em all]

Originally posted by 3afan
actually its NOT politics .. read the thread and you'll see how this team is put together ...

It' s definitely political... You look at the defensive backs. Tell me wich one doesn't fit in there. I'm not complaining because my teammates didn't make it. We had two honorable mentions. But I witnessed this certain one get trucked many times by our quarterback. After the third time, He chillied up and didn't want anymore.

[shadow13]

Originally posted by cdlvj
The blame should go on the coaches as they simply do not update the statistics properly. You pretty much can go to three or four places, newspapers/THCA, numbers are missing, don't add up, are totally different for the same game, no defensive stats at all, missing games etc.

So how are you suppose to choose, when such a mess exists. I believe that the UIL should take control, and get some accurate numbers out there. Agree, which stats do you go by ,when none of them are the same.

[football4life]

Originally posted by send 'em all
It' s definitely political... You look at the defensive backs. Tell me wich one doesn't fit in there. I'm not complaining because my teammates didn't make it. We had two honorable mentions. But I witnessed this certain one get trucked many times by our quarterback. After the third time, He chillied up and didn't want anymore.

Well most guys would have been trucked by your quarterback. He's a beast. and this guy did play the last half of the last game with a broken leg, so im not questioning his abilities. I don't know that he should have been up there with those running backs, but don't degrade him like that man. Or anyone else, for that matter. Maybe we should all chill a little about all this, and just be happy for those who made it. Or else do like someone said on another thread, go make your own, and have fun.

[3afan]

Originally posted by send 'em all
It' s definitely political... You look at the defensive backs. Tell me wich one doesn't fit in there. I'm not complaining because my teammates didn't make it. We had two honorable mentions. But I witnessed this certain one get trucked many times by our quarterback. After the third time, He chillied up and didn't want anymore.


how is the local media not nominating a specific individual political? its oversight, or more likely apathy, but cetrtainly not political.

[Steer Fever]

Dugginf from I.P. did not get robbed. He was not as good as he should have been being that big and i have some friends that played against him and they said he was good because of size but not as good as he should be. I hear he is Texas Tech commited that is shocking

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by shadow13
NAIA ,anyone who is a decent high school player can play at the NAIA level

That's simply not true.

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by Steer Fever
Dugginf from I.P. did not get robbed. He was not as good as he should have been being that big and i have some friends that played against him and they said he was good because of size but not as good as he should be. I hear he is Texas Tech commited that is shocking

Well, genious, I think I'll take Mike Leach and the Tech coach's opinion over yours. Big 12 schools don't give out full rides like candy. I've seen the kid play about 25 times over the last 3 years, and he is as dominate an OL as I have ever seen at that level. I've heard that repeated by coaches, as well. In many ways, his size was a disadvantage playing against much smaller players, as strange as that may sound. The last 2 years IP has had an outstanding running game and much of that yardage has come from him caving in his side of the LOS. Maybe your friends that played against him, were trying to save face, but I remember him getting all over your All-State LB last year when he was a Jr. His family was also told personally by one of the WFHS coaches that the only time last year that their 2nd Team All-State DL was whipped all year long was by Duggins when he was a Jr. I find it comical that someone from Graham comes on here talking smack about him when IP whipped Graham two years in a row, and has the balls to call him overrated.

Get a clue.

:rolleyes:

[shadow13]

Originally posted by Macarthur
That's simply not true. Have you ever watched a NAIA football game , well i have and it's like watching high school football ,it's not much difference

[Z motion 10 out on 2]

Originally posted by cdlvj
The blame should go on the coaches as they simply do not update the statistics properly. You pretty much can go to three or four places, newspapers/THCA, numbers are missing, don't add up, are totally different for the same game, no defensive stats at all, missing games etc.

So how are you suppose to choose, when such a mess exists. I believe that the UIL should take control, and get some accurate numbers out there.

I like your Signature picture!

[Z motion 10 out on 2]

Duggins is a great player no doubt. From what I remember he was all state last year????

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by shadow13
Have you ever watched a NAIA football game , well i have and it's like watching high school football ,it's not much difference

yeah, I've watched them. Shall we say up close and personal. And I repeat, you don't know what you are talking about.

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by Z motion 10 out on 2
Duggins is a great player no doubt. From what I remember he was all state last year????

No he didn't make it last year, either. He made several other post season lists and several pre season lists this year.

[shadow13]

Originally posted by Macarthur
yeah, I've watched them. Shall we say up close and personal. And I repeat, you don't know what you are talking about. Let me guess ,you played NAIA ball ,that explains, why you are so sensitive about NAIA, well my apologies to you.

[GS#17]

I know these are somewhat separate issues, but when the AP is making their weekly polls, so many people put so much stock into what they have to say. Now, when they come out with an all-state list, every excuse is made to somehow justify their list. On one hand, the AP only looks at the partial season (regular season only); on the other hand, they don't really look at the partial season because coaches don't submit stats; but, from another perspective, they are not really experts and only can vote on who they know.

The AP all-state roster is just one of many lists, and like the AP poll is one of many polls, neither really amounts to anything but bragging rights. Congratulations to all who were named and all who were considered!

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by GS#17
I know these are somewhat separate issues, but when the AP is making their weekly polls, so many people put so much stock into what they have to say. Now, when they come out with an all-state list, every excuse is made to somehow justify their list. On one hand, the AP only looks at the partial season (regular season only); on the other hand, they don't really look at the partial season because coaches don't submit stats; but, from another perspective, they are not really experts and only can vote on who they know.

The AP all-state roster is just one of many lists, and like the AP poll is one of many polls, neither really amounts to anything but bragging rights. Congratulations to all who were named and all who were considered!

It's true that it's just one of many, but it generally is the one that is given the most credence, which is what makes it so frustrating that it's usually so inacurate.

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by shadow13
Let me guess ,you played NAIA ball ,that explains, why you are so sensitive about NAIA, well my apologies to you.

I'm not trying to be sensitive. I am under no illusions that it's D1 level football.

However, for you to say that anyone who was decent in HS can play at that level, is just not acurate.

[shadow13]

Originally posted by Macarthur
I'm not trying to be sensitive. I am under no illusions that it's D1 level football.

However, for you to say that anyone who was decent in HS can play at that level, is just not acurate. Your opinion vs. My fact

[HighSchool Fan]

Originally posted by shadow13
Your opinion vs. My fact

then show us your facts

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by shadow13
Your opinion vs. My fact

Wow, you put me in my place.

:clap:

[football4life]

Originally posted by shadow13
Your opinion vs. My fact

Yea i really don't see any reason to think that just anyone can play football after high school, even if its NAIA. Playing football beyond high school is hard at any level, so don't degrade someone else because they chose to pursue a sport they love. We can't all be D1 athletes.:rolleyes:

[Macarthur]

I would be curious to know how old shadow is and if he has/had any asperations beyond HS.

[Bullaholic]

A lot of truth to what you guys are pointing out. Just because a player didn't make it to the "big time" does not necessiarily mean that they were not a good athlete. Only a select few make it to D1 and on to the pros. Athletes that were "all-everything" enter D1 or the pros and find that there are lots of "all-everything plus more" players already there.

[Macarthur]

That's true and let's not forget that there is a lot of D1 talent that ends up down a classification or two due to grades, depth chart, family circumstances, etc....

[gobblergolf]

Thats my cousin big JA (Joey Adams). I love you big man. Good job on a hell of a 2 seasons with the Gobblers and on all state. Holla atcha boy!

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by 3afan
he was not left off ::
QUARTERBACK: Jamell Kennedy, Gilmer; Anthony Ramos, Canyon; Kenneth Beasley, West Orange-Stark; Kyle Noack, Cuero; Brandon Cobb, Decatur; Ryan Durban, Bridgeport.

I was referring to the guys in the top two slots that WEREN'T honorable mention. It was a 3-man race between them...

[shadow13]

Originally posted by Macarthur
That's true and let's not forget that there is a lot of D1 talent that ends up down a classification or two due to grades, depth chart, family circumstances, etc.... You guys are taking this thing somewhere else, yes some of them can't go D1 because of grades or other reasons, but you will not see them at NAIA , they usually go jr. college for 2 yrs. and on to D1. If we were talking D2 OR D3 , I could see your point, but NAIA not.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by shadow13
You guys are taking this thing somewhere else, yes some of them can't go D1 because of grades or other reasons, but you will not see them at NAIA , they usually go jr. college for 2 yrs. and on to D1. If we were talking D2 OR D3 , I could see your point, but NAIA not.

you still not going to answer the question? Since it's "your facts"...let's see some! We're waiting...:rolleyes:

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by shadow13
You guys are taking this thing somewhere else, yes some of them can't go D1 because of grades or other reasons, but you will not see them at NAIA , they usually go jr. college for 2 yrs. and on to D1. If we were talking D2 OR D3 , I could see your point, but NAIA not.

Once again, you have proven that you don't know what you are talking about.

[shadow13]

Originally posted by football4life
Yea i really don't see any reason to think that just anyone can play football after high school, even if its NAIA. Playing football beyond high school is hard at any level, so don't degrade someone else because they chose to pursue a sport they love. We can't all be D1 athletes.:rolleyes: What the heck are you talking about, why do you think there is a NAIA ,so anyone who wants to further their career in football can do so, it's not degrading, it just give more kids the opportunity to play after high school.

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by shadow13
What the heck are you talking about, why do you think there is a NAIA ,so anyone who wants to further their career in football can do so, it's not degrading, it just give more kids the opportunity to play after high school.

now now don't back down from your statements. You stated that it is FACT that "anybody who is decent in HS can play on the college level." PROVE IT!!

[shadow13]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
now now don't back down from your statements. You stated that it is FACT that "anybody who is decent in HS can play on the college level." PROVE IT!! Just go watch a game

[shadow13]

Originally posted by Macarthur
Once again, you have proven that you don't know what you are talking about. I aready had 1 kids name edited for posting it on here ,so if i post the proof you want, it will be edited too.

[shadow13]

Originally posted by shadow13
I aready had 1 kids name edited for posting it on here ,so if i post the proof you want, it will be edited too. Check a roster of a NAIA team and see how many great players you recognize.

[Macarthur]

Originally posted by shadow13
I aready had 1 kids name edited for posting it on here ,so if i post the proof you want, it will be edited too.

So you're basing your opionion on one dude that you knew that played NAIA?

[shadow13]

Originally posted by Macarthur
So you're basing your opionion on one dude that you knew that played NAIA? Man you're something else, not just 1 guy check a roster out and get back with me

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by shadow13
I aready had 1 kids name edited for posting it on here ,so if i post the proof you want, it will be edited too.
There's a huge difference in listing a players name when posting accolades and listing someone's name in regards to a rumor.

[shadow13]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
There's a huge difference in listing a players name when posting accolades and listing someone's name in regards to a rumor. If you say so!

[Adidas410s]

Originally posted by shadow13
If you say so!

i think i just heard something off in the distance...ROM??? What's that you say???

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by shadow13
If you say so!
Yes, I did. Now, if we were unable to post "WTG's" this entire thread would be a non-issue, since it has a ton of players names listed.

[shadow13]

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Yes, I did. Now, if we were unable to post "WTG's" this entire thread would be a non-issue, since it has a ton of players names listed. AND

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by shadow13
AND
AND check your pm's.

[HighSchool Fan]

Originally posted by Adidas410s
i think i just heard something off in the distance...ROM??? What's that you say???

we can only hope

[Z motion 10 out on 2]

Originally posted by shadow13
You guys are taking this thing somewhere else, yes some of them can't go D1 because of grades or other reasons, but you will not see them at NAIA , they usually go jr. college for 2 yrs. and on to D1. If we were talking D2 OR D3 , I could see your point, but NAIA not.

Crayton that plays for the Cowboys went to NAIA school in Oklahoma.

[shadow13]

Originally posted by Z motion 10 out on 2
Crayton that plays for the Cowboys went to NAIA school in Oklahoma. 1 out of a million

[Z motion 10 out on 2]

Originally posted by shadow13
1 out of a million

So did Lynn Scott who also plays for the Cowboys. They went to the same college.

Wow I just hit the Lotto!!!

[Mustangpride09]

I just noticed something. No tyler duggins from iowa park. That kid was a beast. How did he not even make second team?

[Mustangpride09]

This entire poll is entire crap. IMO

[shadow13]

Originally posted by Z motion 10 out on 2
So did Lynn Scott who also plays for the Cowboys. They went to the same college.

Wow I just hit the Lotto!!! you're on a roll, keep it up,just goes to show some people are late bloomers

[Z motion 10 out on 2]

Originally posted by shadow13
you're on a roll, keep it up,just goes to show some people are late bloomers

The NAIA has some good football players. I'm sure they have plenty of "All State" players as well. Of course the overall majority of the players are not as talented as the DI players. But they are a level up from high school no matter how you look at it.

Thanks for the good converation though Shadow13~

[shadow13]

Originally posted by Z motion 10 out on 2
The NAIA has some good football players. I'm sure they have plenty of "All State" players as well. Of course the overall majority of the players are not as talented as the DI players. But they are a level up from high school no matter how you look at it.

Thanks for the good converation though Shadow13~ Anytime Z, and you're right , but i'm willing to bet there are some 5A schools who can compete with most NAIA teams

[Z motion 10 out on 2]

Originally posted by shadow13
Anytime Z, and you're right , but i'm willing to bet there are some 5A schools who can compete with most NAIA teams


If I were a NAIA coach I wouldn't schedule
Southlake Carroll or Smithson Valley!

[Z motion 10 out on 2]

BTW I played 5A ball at Arlington Martin. And the funny thing is that my son who played 3A was about 10 times a better player than I was. Wait make that 100 times!!!!!

Just don't tell him I said that.

[shadow13]

Originally posted by Z motion 10 out on 2
BTW I played 5A ball at Arlington Martin. And the funny thing is that my son who played 3A was about 10 times a better player than I was. Wait make that 100 times!!!!!

Just don't tell him I said that. I know what you mean Z, I too was pretty darn good myself back in my day, but the son would put me to shame. the good thing about it ,is I would not want it any other way. Good luck to your son!