3A enrollment #'s [Archive] - Texas DownLow Forum

Matthew328

12-08-2005, 07:47 PM

Class 1A will expand.....pushing the bottom cut up.....also there are 14 new schools all will be 5A or 4A.....PLUS schools will not be allowed to opt up ie Corpus Christi, Eagle Pass and Laredo schools....I am telling you guys I think it'll be VERY high, I was right on the money 2 years ago predicting 5 team districts...so I have a lil streak..

btw Lovejoy and Frisco Wakeland will both be new 3A schools...

wos fan1

12-08-2005, 07:52 PM

What are you thinking around 950 or so??

GreenMonster

12-08-2005, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by VWG
Your reasoning is.....

I don't know Matt and I have no idea what his reasoning is but I happen to agree that the number will be 950 or greater. My reasoning is that the UIL is encouraging more class A schools to go six man by adding an extra playoff team. This would allow more space for the top number to grow in class A because a third team was also extended to class A this year. Therefore I see the bottom 2A number climbing, the bottom 3A number climbing, the bottom 4A number climbing, and the bottom 5A number climbing. I believe that the UIL is in the middle of trying to even out the classes so that each classification has roughly the same number of schools. This is due to the growing number of new schools that are opening as a 5A school. The coaches and superintendants voted not to add a sixth classification that would have solved many of the problems that the UIL has to deal with as far as classifying schools into divisions. The UIL is attempting to keep the playing field as level as possible so that there are fewer schools meeting up in district play where there is a huge discrepency in number of students in attendance. I.E. a huge 5A like any of the Plano schools meeting up with a school that just barely made the bottom 5A number. There would be a discrepancy of more than 1000 kids between a Plano and say a Wylie that is projected to bump up.

Matthew328

12-08-2005, 08:00 PM

excellent points...with 1A expanding that'll have a ripple effect...I also think 3A is gonna grow but from the top end.....UIL is gonna try and nix the 5 team districts....it isn't a very good idea....you could see a 3A with enrollments from 450-950....UIL is also wanting to get rid of the byes at the 1A level in the playoffs......3A has room to grow at the top.....you could see a vastly different 3A next go round.....could see many small 3A's go 2A and small 4A's go 3A.....

wos fan1

12-08-2005, 08:03 PM

Yea i see what your talking about. A few relignments ago i noticed the top number went up some 60 or so students..:eek:

sweetwater07

12-08-2005, 08:03 PM

i have heard hearsay that sweetwater missed 2A by 3 ppl.....is this true?

Kimosabe

12-08-2005, 08:04 PM

Can't wait to see how all of this effects things for next year!!!!

wos fan1

12-08-2005, 08:04 PM

Doesn't sound right?? :thinking:

GreenMonster

12-08-2005, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by sweetwater07
i have heard hearsay that sweetwater missed 2A by 3 ppl.....is this true?

The number has yet to be set in stone. We will all know in February when the final numbers are released to everyone. As of right now, no one knows anything so whatever you get is rumor and speculation, nothing more.

Chris Hart

12-08-2005, 08:07 PM

I hope the 3A cutoff falls at 999, that would be sweet...;)

wos fan1

12-08-2005, 08:10 PM

:eek: Anythings possible though with them.

mwynn05

12-08-2005, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by Chris Hart
I hope the 3A cutoff falls at 999, that would be sweet...;) That wouldnt schock me Chris, I heard a projection(cant remember where) of 1050 being the cut off # in 3a matt has good reasons for seeing a raise in the 3a cutoff.

Matthew328

12-08-2005, 08:13 PM

if 1050 is the cut then both Everman and Burnet would drop

wos fan1

12-08-2005, 08:14 PM

Chris would be happy! :D

Matthew328

12-08-2005, 08:15 PM

LOL as would I!! I honestly don't see it going that high....but I don't think 1000 is out of the question......I think 950 could be conservative

wos fan1

12-08-2005, 08:16 PM

Can't see it going that high though...:eek:

kaorder1999

12-08-2005, 08:17 PM

look for Mabank to drop....believe it or not they can be pretty good in 3A next year

mwynn05

12-08-2005, 08:18 PM

what about a bottom # of 500?

LH Panther Mom

12-08-2005, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by Chris Hart
I hope the 3A cutoff falls at 999, that would be sweet...;)
Nooooooo! :D ;)

Chris Hart

12-08-2005, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by wos fan1
Chris would be happy! :D Yes, indeed I would be happy. We turned in 998. I too expect the ceiling to rise in 3A, but, I wouldn't expect it to rise enough to send us back down. But, with the UIL, who knows? I can dream, can't I?:)

wos fan1

12-08-2005, 09:05 PM

Rabbit'93

12-08-2005, 09:07 PM

what about 1290:D :eek:

Chris Hart

12-08-2005, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by Rabbit'93
what about 1290:D :eek: WOW! At that rate, you guys will be 5A in 4 years.:eek:

wos fan1

12-08-2005, 09:18 PM

gtownpoke

12-08-2005, 09:44 PM

I was told the 3A/2A cutoff would be higher (duh) and the 3A/4A cutoff would be lower. They dont really want some of the smaller schools playing schools a lot more than twice their size. Also told 5A would be getting 4 schools per district in the playoffs. The old man is a coach at a powerhouse in east texas and he said all that is what they were told. Of course we are dealing with the UIL and you never know until february

gtownpoke

12-08-2005, 09:46 PM

I guess my location kinda gives away the "powerhouse in east texas" part now doesnt it lol

kaorder1999

12-08-2005, 09:46 PM

realignment has to bring out the most " rumors" then you've ever seen in your life

wos fan1

12-08-2005, 09:47 PM

You'll hear a bunch more before February. :thinking:

gtownpoke

12-08-2005, 09:50 PM

oh ya you will. Im interested to see this year what will happen to Tatum, Jefferson, White Oak, and some of those other good 3A schools that are borderline 2A numbers. Of course I am also really interested to see what district Gilmer gets thrown in because we seem to be a school that gets tossed around everywhere.

wos fan1

12-08-2005, 09:51 PM

It will be interesting!

NateDawg39

12-08-2005, 10:52 PM

Decatur will be the top in the District again next year with 871 I believe. Cause I doubt any one in 50 miles of us has more kids in there school. 3A schools anyways.

WestTXLonghorn

12-08-2005, 10:58 PM

There's no way in hell that Abilene Wylie ever moves up to 4A.

Hugh Sandifer and them must have a contract with Satan or something. I seriously hate Coach Sandifer. We outgained his team by 200 yrds my senior year and we lost because he ran some nice trick plays toward the end of the game. I hope he chokes on his Christmas dinner!;)

Adidas410s

12-08-2005, 11:21 PM

3ABirdMan

12-09-2005, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by NateDawg39
Decatur will be the top in the District again next year with 871 I believe. Cause I doubt any one in 50 miles of us has more kids in there school. 3A schools anyways.

This brings about another point that has really been overlooked in this discussion so far, and another reason I wouldn't want the job of realigninment - LOCATION!

When the numbers get added in with geographical location, it seems it would REALLY mess things up. I would suppose the UIL wouldn't want a District that has teams traveling LONG distances to make it's games. SO, when they look at enrollment numbers, they also have to look at who else in the area can be added together to make up a District geographically, whether it's a 6 or 8 team district. Then, it has to be balanced out across the Region, and then the State. Probably not a big issue in Metro areas, but I think it would be a real kicker in sparsely poulated areas (deep East Texas, South, and West Texas) where the towns are further apart.

Eagles52

12-09-2005, 01:25 AM

has anyone heard how many Barbers Hill turned in?

DaHill'05

12-09-2005, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by Eagles52
has anyone heard how many Barbers Hill turned in?
BH turned in 963.

LH Panther Mom

12-09-2005, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by 3ABirdMan
This brings about another point that has really been overlooked in this discussion so far, and another reason I wouldn't want the job of realigninment - LOCATION!

When the numbers get added in with geographical location, it seems it would REALLY mess things up. I would suppose the UIL wouldn't want a District that has teams traveling LONG distances to make it's games. SO, when they look at enrollment numbers, they also have to look at who else in the area can be added together to make up a District geographically, whether it's a 6 or 8 team district. Then, it has to be balanced out across the Region, and then the State. Probably not a big issue in Metro areas, but I think it would be a real kicker in sparsely poulated areas (deep East Texas, South, and West Texas) where the towns are further apart.
I don't think the UIL particularly cares if you have to drive a ways or not. They have their regional map drawn and then go from there. Of course, Pecos would never be in the district with Perryton, but other than that it seems to be just a matter of taking the map and "choosing". Outside of West Texas, our district may cover one of the largest geographical areas for 3a in the state. (Don't quote me on that, because I've never actually looked at it.) Our closest district team is 54 miles from us. 3 of the 4 remaining are roughly 115, give or take 5 miles.

JustAFan

12-09-2005, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by kaorder1999
realignment has to bring out the most " rumors" then you've ever seen in your life

Yeah, one I love is that Kennedale turned in over 950!

VWG

12-09-2005, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by 3ABirdMan
This brings about another point that has really been overlooked in this discussion so far, and another reason I wouldn't want the job of realigninment - LOCATION!

When the numbers get added in with geographical location, it seems it would REALLY mess things up. I would suppose the UIL wouldn't want a District that has teams traveling LONG distances to make it's games. SO, when they look at enrollment numbers, they also have to look at who else in the area can be added together to make up a District geographically, whether it's a 6 or 8 team district. Then, it has to be balanced out across the Region, and then the State. Probably not a big issue in Metro areas, but I think it would be a real kicker in sparsely poulated areas (deep East Texas, South, and West Texas) where the towns are further apart.

In the 2002 and 2003 season Childress and Breckenridge were in the same district. That is over 150 miles one way.
Childress has since dropped to 2A.
Can you imagine the increase in travel expenditures once that district was aligned?

mustang68

12-09-2005, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by sweetwater07
i have heard hearsay that sweetwater missed 2A by 3 ppl.....is this true?

Don't know who you are talking to, but you need to be more discerning about what you believe; that is unless UIL raises the 2A cutoff to 575.

Cat22

12-09-2005, 11:19 AM

500 would be fine with me, that would mean that Orangefield would go to 2A. I hope it's not the 450 range. That would make us one of the smallest 3A schools in the state. I think we turned in around 475 or so.

Whsdogs

12-09-2005, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn
There's no way in hell that Abilene Wylie ever moves up to 4A.

Hugh Sandifer and them must have a contract with Satan or something. I seriously hate Coach Sandifer. We outgained his team by 200 yrds my senior year and we lost because he ran some nice trick plays toward the end of the game. I hope he chokes on his Christmas dinner!;)

as most people prob. do...sandifer is a great great guy and an awesome coach..i loved playing for him cause sometimes you wonder what the heck he is doing and then at the end of the game it all comes together...great coach and hey everyone...WYLIE WILL BE 3A NEXT YEAR!!!!

mwynn05

12-09-2005, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by mustang68
Don't know who you are talking to, but you need to be more discerning about what you believe; that is unless UIL raises the 2A cutoff to 575. that would almost make 3a now 2a if you know what im trying to say

Whsdogs

12-09-2005, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn
There's no way in hell that Abilene Wylie ever moves up to 4A.

Hugh Sandifer and them must have a contract with Satan or something. I seriously hate Coach Sandifer. We outgained his team by 200 yrds my senior year and we lost because he ran some nice trick plays toward the end of the game. I hope he chokes on his Christmas dinner!;)

haha yah coach sandifer is a great person and an awesome coach...leaves most people scratching their heads when the game is over and the score is in his favor cause he can outcoach most anyone inthis state...loved playing for him

and hey everyone WYLIE WILL BE 3A YET AGAIN!!..LOL..so now us wylie posters get to hear how we cheated the system and blah blah blah for another 2 years :D

jmcgee

12-09-2005, 11:24 AM

Whsdogs

12-09-2005, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by jmcgee
Cheaters:D

if you aint cheatin you aint tryin ;) ;)

Black_Magic

12-09-2005, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by Whsdogs
haha yah coach sandifer is a great person and an awesome coach...leaves most people scratching their heads when the game is over and the score is in his favor cause he can outcoach most anyone inthis state...loved playing for him

and hey everyone WYLIE WILL BE 3A YET AGAIN!!..LOL..so now us wylie posters get to hear how we cheated the system and blah blah blah for another 2 years :D I would say Snyder and Sweetwater does a better job and dont leave scratching the head. If wylie continues to be 3A then Snyder and Sweetwater will have to CONTINUE to get MORE miles per athlete than Wylie does:thumbsup: :crazy:

Whsdogs

12-09-2005, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by Black_Magic
I would say Snyder and Sweetwater does a better job and dont leave scratching the head. If wylie continues to be 3A then Snyder and Sweetwater will have to CONTINUE to get MORE miles per athlete than Wylie does:thumbsup: :crazy:

lol

wos fan1

12-09-2005, 11:29 AM

What did Wylie turn in??

kaorder1999

12-09-2005, 11:30 AM

a lot

Black_Magic

12-09-2005, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by wos fan1
What did Wylie turn in?? WHAT DID THEY TURN IN? answer 916... How many do they actually have?? WHO REALLY KNOWS??:thinking: :clap:

Whsdogs

12-09-2005, 11:31 AM

around 915-920 not real sure though ill have to look it up or somethin...but i know its barely over 900 so it will be close:eek:

Whsdogs

12-09-2005, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by Black_Magic
WHAT DID THEY TURN IN? answere 916... How many do they actrually have?? WHO REALLY KNOWS??:thinking: :clap:

actually have like 2,000 we just keep it a secret from everyone...we stash kids in lockers and stuff when they count people:devil:

Stretch04

12-09-2005, 11:32 AM

Talking about stressful! How would you like to be the poor people having to put this mess together. They work their tails off for 4 months then have everyone gripe about it for two years. Plus you have to keep it secret like it is the launch codes for all of the nuclear weapons in the country. Not a job I would want.

wos fan1

12-09-2005, 11:33 AM

It will all depend on if the UIL raises the number. If not they will be 4A. I actually heard yesterday they may lower the top number!

WestTXLonghorn

12-09-2005, 11:33 AM

Rich white kids from Abilene. . .let them stay in 3A. Sweetwater was kickin' tail in 4A long after they should have dropped down. Sometimes that's the way the system works. Glad Wylie can benefit from it.

Also. . .on a side note. A lot of S'Water's numbers come from Hobbs. . .which of course constitutes kids which will NEVER play any S'Water sports. So, Sweetwater really should be a few hundred below where it is now I believe.

Black_Magic

12-09-2005, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by wos fan1
It will all depend on if the UIL raises the number. If not they will be 4A. I actually heard yesterday they may lower the top number! thats exactley what alot think will happen. I have heard the top # may be around 800

Stretch04

12-09-2005, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by VWG
In the 2002 and 2003 season Childress and Breckenridge were in the same district. That is over 150 miles one way.
Childress has since dropped to 2A.
Can you imagine the increase in travel expenditures once that district was aligned?

At on time this was a 2A District

Anthony
Van Horn
McCamey
Iraan
Ozona
Eldorado

Check that spread out 400 miles one way from Eldorado to Anthony.

Think the UIL didn't catch some stuff about that.

Whsdogs

12-09-2005, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn
Rich white kids from Abilene. . .let them stay in 3A. Sweetwater was kickin' tail in 4A long after they should have dropped down. Sometimes that's the way the system works. Glad Wylie can benefit from it.

Also. . .on a side note. A lot of S'Water's numbers come from Hobbs. . .which of course constitutes kids which will NEVER play any S'Water sports. So, Sweetwater really should be a few hundred below where it is now I believe.

haha you just dont know much...if wylie moves up to 4a the school benefits from it...why would they want to stay in 3A..if they are so rich and money hungry i would think they would want to go to 4a??

wos fan1

12-09-2005, 11:40 AM

Better not be we turned in 806.

Whsdogs

12-09-2005, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by wos fan1
Better not be we turned in 806.

i seriously doubt it will dip below 900..i think it will move between 925-950

wos fan1

12-09-2005, 11:41 AM

Me to, i was saying around 930 or so.

Whsdogs

12-09-2005, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by wos fan1
Me to, i was saying around 930 or so.

im crossing my fingers on that one lol...

vet93

12-09-2005, 11:42 AM

Matt....I may have to disagree a little....the UIL doesn't care a rats rear end about 1a when compared to 5a....they will always start at the top and work their way down. They are going to add 16 schools or so to 5a because they are going to 4 team playoffs and 8 team districts...they will need those extra teams to fill out the district to 8 (You don't want to take 4 teams to the playoffs from a 5-6 team district...talk about watered down!). Therefore, the top end of 4a will have to be lowered a little to take in some of the other schools. This ripple effect will cause the other numbers to stay close to the same +/- 10-20....in my opinion.

WestTXLonghorn

12-09-2005, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Whsdogs
haha you just dont know much...if wylie moves up to 4a the school benefits from it...why would they want to stay in 3A..if they are so rich and money hungry i would think they would want to go to 4a??

Actually, I thought pretty simple logic dictated that since Wylie folks were already rich. . .they wouldn't need any more money. Is that too tough a concept for you?

wos fan1

12-09-2005, 11:43 AM

I doubt it will drop at all, to much talk of it going up!

Whsdogs

12-09-2005, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by WestTXLonghorn
Actually, I thought pretty simple logic dictated that since Wylie folks were already rich. . .they wouldn't need any more money. Is that too tough a concept for you?

Not at all...but what type of rich person doesnt want more money??? To tough of a concept for you?

football4life

12-09-2005, 01:02 PM

Recently got word of Canyon's enrollment: 867. Still hangin in there close to the top. I think it will be 4 more years before we bump, unless the cut off keeps on goin up like it has been.

littleleon

12-09-2005, 01:03 PM

Canyon has a good ball club every year! I would like to see their practices and off-season.

JTate

12-09-2005, 02:06 PM

I have no idea what they are planning. Every year, I am wrong in my thinking ! The UIL seems to me to be about as predictable as the Texas weather...

I have heard Tatum turned in 394, two up from the 392 turned in two years ago. They could go either way depending on the bottom end changing...

Whsdogs

12-09-2005, 02:11 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JTate
[B]I have no idea what they are planning. Every year, I am wrong in my thinking ! The UIL seems to me to be about as predictable as the Texas weather...

aint that the truth!:doh:

etbu

12-09-2005, 02:29 PM

JTate

12-09-2005, 03:33 PM

Last Four UIL Enrollment Numbers:

2004-06:
Class 5A: 1,925 and above
Class 4A: 900 to 1,924
Class 3A: 389 to 899
Class 2A: 190 to 389
Class A: 189 and below
Six-man: 99.9 and below

2002-04:
Class 5A: 1,910 and above
Class 4A: 900 to 1,909
Class 3A: 345 to 899
Class 2A: 180 to 344
Class A: 179 and below
Six-man: 94.5 and below

The 2000-2002:
Class 5A: 1,865 and above.
Class 4A: 845 to 1,864.
Class 3A: 345 to 844.
Class 2A: 170 to 344.
Class 1A: 169 and below.

The 1998-2000:
Class 5A: 1,780 and above.
Class 4A: 780 to 1,779.
Class 3A: 345 to 779.
Class 2A: 160 to 344.
Class 1A: 159 and below.

MHSvarsity2007

12-09-2005, 09:53 PM

Merkel turned in 409.

Matthew328

12-09-2005, 10:04 PM

Its gonna be simple math guys...the more and more #'s we get in the more and more we realize the ceiling and floor will rise in 3A.....its just a matter of how much...3A will be bigger this year....I haven't counted but I think right now they have around 185 schools....look for 3A to be in the area of 200 or so..at least....UIL has already stated 1A will be expanded to eliminate byes....UIL also doesn't always work from the top....they take 5A and 1A and then condense much of the time....I may be wrong but I have a pretty solid realignment record...

JTate

12-10-2005, 12:10 AM

Currently we have 195 Football & Basketball Scchools in AAA

turbostud

12-10-2005, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by etbu
How about Hico in 2a going to Abernathy sp how far is that ?
330 miles

etbu

12-10-2005, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by turbostud
330 miles

Yea the Hico told me last summer he leaves from Hico and goes to 0 marker and take a right then the games begin. Thought we had some hauls nothing like that. :eek:

garciap77

12-10-2005, 11:53 AM

Abilene Wylie could have turned in another 150 student if those families would have not sent their children to Abilene ISD. Abilene ISD stopped charging tuition for out of district students a couple of years ago. That is one reason Wylie does not go to 4A. Abilene ISD has more courses to offer as well as ROTC. In addition, I know many parents that home school their children in our district and sent their school to Christian schools. As more home are built in our district by families currently living in Abilene ISD, most families continue to take advantage of the free tuition.

Matthew328

12-10-2005, 12:31 PM

here are 2 things that I have confirmed that continue to increase my suspicion of 3a/4a cut being very high...

1A will have 32 districts....

teams won't be allowed to opt up as much...ie corpus christi schools...Moody and Miller will both be 4A....

also in 5A there will be no 6 team districts.....

again this is confirmed...can't reveal the source...but its as reliable as it gets...

VWG

12-10-2005, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Matthew328
here are 2 things that I have confirmed that continue to increase my suspicion of 3a/4a cut being very high...

1A will have 32 districts....

teams won't be allowed to opt up as much...ie corpus christi schools...Moody and Miller will both be 4A....

also in 5A there will be no 6 team districts.....

again this is confirmed...can't reveal the source...but its as reliable as it gets...

How many 1A districts are there now?
The 6 team districts in 5A will also break up the "Little Southwest Conference".... Abilene High, Abilene Cooper, Midland High, Midland Lee, Odessa High, and Odessa Permian. Does this mean that Cooper could fall to 4A??

Matthew328

12-10-2005, 01:04 PM

yes I would be stunned if the Little SWC is still around...Cooper turned in 1989.5 that should be enough to keep them 5A....could see Abilene and Cooper move east with the DFW schools.....

Class 1A has 24 11 man football districts....so minimum you add 40 schools to 1A....it'll have a trickle down effect.....