Can a lineman catch a pass?

[cdlvj]

Senario - extra point attempt - the center hikes ball, and then goes out and receives a pass from holder - trick play.
Is this legal?

[3afan]

ONLY IN 6 MAN

[Da Mules]

perfectly legal in the "Swinging Gate" lineup, where the center is at the far left or right end of the line.

[injuredinmelee]

not legal in 11- man as previously stated in the post.

[AggieJohn]

ineligible reciever-10 yard penalty- repeat first down

[ol country boy]

no

[AggieJohn]

Originally posted by ol country boy
no
15 yard penalty?

[neck_06]

if it is the "swinging gate" then the center is the last man on the line, and as long as he has an eligibe number, then he is legal.

[Da Mules]

if the center isn't eligible, then we need to go back and forfeit about 10 or so PAT's so far this season. :rolleyes:

[pancho villa]

He has to have an eligble # on and be the last man on line.
No 50s, 60s or 70s #s can go out for a pass.

[3afan]

as long as you report to the official then you can have any number - at least thats how it is in NFL, may be different in HS & college

[ol country boy]

I was saying no he can not go out.

NFL rules do not apply in high school.

Texas High School football follows the NCAA rules.

[Rainman]

It is only legal if the lineman is behind the quarterback when the throw is made.

[briefcase]

It is legal as long as he (the center) is not covered up. This means that he (the center) as stated in above posts, is the last man on the line of scrimmage. This now makes him an elgible receiver.

[cdlvj]

Originally posted by Da Mules
if the center isn't eligible, then we need to go back and forfeit about 10 or so PAT's so far this season. :rolleyes:


Da Mules, was your center on the end?

[District303aPastPlayer]

Originally posted by briefcase
It is legal as long as he (the center) is not covered up. This means that he (the center) as stated in above posts, is the last man on the line of scrimmage. This now makes him an elgible receiver.

add to that, that the lineman must report to the referree that he is an eligible receiver and he can catch a pass.

[pancho villa]

Ya'll don't have a clue a lineman CANNOT check in and be eligible reciever in H S football.

[zeus63]

It is legal for a lineman to receive a pass, but there is procejure for it. First, they have to check with the officials as a back or receiver. Second, whne they line up all receiver rules apply to him, assuming the officials let him check into the game as a receiver. The formation still has to have as an eligible receiver, i.e. can't be covered up by another receiver and still have to have at least 7 men on the LOS.

[NateDawg39]

Originally posted by pancho villa
Ya'll don't have a clue a lineman CANNOT check in and be eligible reciever in H S football.
Actually he can in a play called swinging gate...I see it all the time, well when I watched my cousin's team a few weeks ago.

[AggieJohn]

isn't the swinging gate illegal now

[3afan]

Originally posted by ol country boy
I was saying no he can not go out.

NFL rules do not apply in high school.

Texas High School football follows the NCAA rules.

I know NFL rules do not apply to HS and that HS follows NCAA rules, I was just stating how it was in the NFL ...

[District303aPastPlayer]

Originally posted by AggieJohn
isn't the swinging gate illegal now

no

[raider red 2000]

there is no checking in. that is only on sundays.

the player must be the last man on the line of scrimage.

the player must have a number that is non 50's, 60's, 70's number.

the team must have 7 players on th LOS with a minimmum of five having line men (50- 79 numbers)

I am sure that your team was lined up legally.

your coaches and the refs know the rules.

[ol country boy]

Originally posted by pancho villa
Ya'll don't have a clue a lineman CANNOT check in and be eligible reciever in H S football.

Panch is correct!

[3afan]

Originally posted by raider red 2000
... your coaches and the refs know the rules.

they most certainly do

[whtfbplaya]

Originally posted by AggieJohn
ineligible reciever-10 yard penalty- repeat first down

ineligible receiver downfield is a 5 yard pen from PS.
In this senario it would be illegal touching which is also a 5 yard pen from the PS.

[SnyderMom]

BLACKIE!!! HELP!!!!

[sweetwater07]

i didn't think they could catch a pass, but could recieve a lateral..........

[whtfbplaya]

Originally posted by SnyderMom
BLACKIE!!! HELP!!!!

Who is Blackie and what do you need his help for?

[jakarta101]

Warren Sapp can catch...:)

[jakarta101]

and if RB's can throw then lineman should catch.....no fun for the big un's

[whtfbplaya]

1. All numbers 50-79 are ineligible by rule.
2. All players on the LOS, and "covered" by another player are ineligible by position.
If he was on the "end of the line" AND he was not wearing a number 50-79, he's eligible to receive a forward pass, otherwise, he's ineligible.

[SnyderMom]

Originally posted by whtfbplaya
Who is Blackie and what do you need his help for?

He's my informative Snyder buddy...he knows everything...lol:D

[whtfbplaya]

Originally posted by cdlvj
Senario - extra point attempt - the center hikes ball, and then goes out and receives a pass from holder - trick play.
Is this legal?

So I guess the answer is no one knows without more information.

[Keith7]

The center can recieve a pass out of the swinging gate formation... I've seen it done on film, and we used to practice for it when we played a team that commonly used the swinging gate formation

[sahen]

last i checked if the number is between 50-79 and they line up on the line then they cant catch a pass...however if a 50-79 guy tells the ref he is elgible then they can line up as say a tightend and go catch a ball, but if they line up on the line they cant...its all about where you line up that is why you can do it in the swinging gate, cause they line up all crazy.....however if you are numbered between 50-79 u better tell the ref you are lining up in an elgible position to catch the ball because if they dont notice then they r prolly gonna flag you....i could be wrong though, but that was how i thought it went...

[whtfbplaya]

He can report as The Holy Father, BUT he is still ineligible!

[Keith7]

Originally posted by sahen
last i checked if the number is between 50-79 and they line up on the line then they cant catch a pass...however if a 50-79 guy tells the ref he is elgible then they can line up as say a tightend and go catch a ball, but if they line up on the line they cant...its all about where you line up that is why you can do it in the swinging gate, cause they line up all crazy.....however if you are numbered between 50-79 u better tell the ref you are lining up in an elgible position to catch the ball because if they dont notice then they r prolly gonna flag you....i could be wrong though, but that was how i thought it went...

During one game my sophmore year I was playing Linebacker and was number 54, well our 2 tight ends got hurt and I was the third Tight end... Coach basically told me to stay at the line to block and never go out for a pass.. I know in the pros they have a rule where they announce the elligable recievers over the P.A. when someone comes in w/ a 50-79, i've never heard it done in High school though, maybe the refs on the field say something to the defense...

[Keith7]

Originally posted by whtfbplaya
1. All numbers 50-79 are ineligible by rule.


I know this is a real rule, but why don't coaches just give everybody numbers 1-49 or 80-99 so anybody can be elligable?? this is why I think they might can be eligable if they report they are eligable to the refs first

[sahen]

Originally posted by Keith7
I know this is a real rule, but why don't coaches just give everybody numbers 1-49 or 80-99 so anybody can be elligable?? this is why I think they might can be eligable if they report they are eligable to the refs first

dont you have to have 5 guys numbered 50-79 on the line every play?

[GreenMonster]

Originally posted by cdlvj
Senario - extra point attempt - the center hikes ball, and then goes out and receives a pass from holder - trick play.
Is this legal?

Yes, assuming that he is the last man on the line of scrimage to that side, has an eligible number or reports as an eligible number, and is able to hang on to the ball.

[Keith7]

Originally posted by sahen
dont you have to have 5 guys numbered 50-79 on the line every play?

I guess so.. that'd make sense if they had rules against what numbers can go out for passes

[whtfbplaya]

Originally posted by sahen
dont you have to have 5 guys numbered 50-79 on the line every play?

YES!

[Da Mules]

1) Of course the coaches and refs know the rules.
2) The Swingin Gate is pefectly legal. You can run it at any time, not just for a PAT
3) When Muleshoe runs it, the center is always a back or a receiver. Don't want a 230-lb slowpoke trying to run a fade route, do ya?
4) I don't know about reporting in, or the jersey number. If the center is a back or a receiver, seems like ya got it covered.
5) We have ran that formation probably 8-10 times a year at least for the last 9 years. Coach Wood likes to try and get up by a point if possible. SO IT IS LEGAL.

[Keith7]

Originally posted by Da Mules
1) Of course the coaches and refs know the rules.
2) The Swingin Gate is pefectly legal. You can run it at any time, not just for a PAT
3) When Muleshoe runs it, the center is always a back or a receiver. Don't want a 230-lb slowpoke trying to run a fade route, do ya?
4) I don't know about reporting in, or the jersey number. If the center is a back or a receiver, seems like ya got it covered.
5) We have ran that formation probably 8-10 times a year at least for the last 9 years. Coach Wood likes to try and get up by a point if possible. SO IT IS LEGAL.

Yea we started running it this year, if another team can't line up correctly against it, we'll run it every extra point

[cdlvj]

Originally posted by sahen
dont you have to have 5 guys numbered 50-79 on the line every play?

Not true at all. La Grange has #8, #19 as linemen, #13, #11, #14 as linebackers- all mixed up.

[CenTexSports]

Can a lineman catch a pass? If he has good hands and the ball is thrown to him. Is it legal for a center to catch a pass? Depends on the formation whether it is 6-man or 11-man.

In general linemen catch passes in every game but they are usually the tight ends and flankers.

My question: Can an idiot ask a question. The answer: Certainly! But the real question, can he ask an intelligent question?

[ol country boy]

Originally posted by whtfbplaya
YES!

No. Most punt formation do not have five lineman with lineman #'s on them

[ol country boy]

Swinging gate is legal.

The center on gate is usually in a back/reciever number. When they shift they usually move their deep snapper now to center.

[raider red 2000]

SECTION 4.Players and Playing Equipment
Recommended Numbering
ARTICLE 1.It is strongly recommended that offensive players be
numbered according to the following diagram that shows one of many
offensive formations (Rule 1-4-2-b):
Players ’Numbering
ARTICLE 2.a.All players shall be numbered 1 through 99.Any number
preceded by zero (“0 ’’)is illegal [S23 ].
b.On a scrimmage down,at least five offensive players on the scrimmage
line shall be numbered 50 through 79 (Exception:During a scrimmage
kick formation,a player,who by his initial position on the line of scrim-
mage,is an exception to the 50-79 mandatory numbering,remains an
ineligible receiver during the down until a legal forward pass is touched
by a Team B player or an official.He must be positioned on the line of
scrimmage and between the end players on the line of scrimmage.The
ineligible receivers (interior linemen)are identified when the snapper
assumes his position and touches or simulates (hand [s ] at or below his
knees)touching the ball.A player remains an ineligible receiver and is
an exception to the 50-79 mandatory numbering until the down is over,
a timeout is charged to a team or the referee,or a period ends.

From the NCAA rule book. Which the UIL follows.

[sinton66]

I remember once many years ago when I was playing MLB, the ref called me aside to announce that a tackle on the opposing team checked in as elgible receiver. I think he was the last guy on the end of the line though. This was back in the early 60's.

[3ABirdMan]

It is legal as long as he (the center) is not covered up. This means that he (the center) as stated in above posts, is the last man on the line of scrimmage. This now makes him an elgible receiver.

.

Sooooooo..................:thinking:

If the cornerback was to get in a 3- or 4-point stance in front of the split end, he is covered up, and therefore no longer eligible?:doh:



Sorry - I had to edit cause I hit the wrong darned "quote" button.........

[whtfbplaya]

Originally posted by ol country boy
No. Most punt formation do not have five lineman with lineman #'s on them

obviously we were making some asumptions here based on football knowledge. We are talking about offense only and not scrimmage kick formations.

[whtfbplaya]

Originally posted by 3ABirdMan
Sooooooo..................:thinking:

If the cornerback was to get in a 3- or 4-point stance in front of the split end, he is covered up, and therefore no longer eligible?:doh:



Sorry - I had to edit cause I hit the wrong darned "quote" button.........

The Dfense is not part of the equation.

[Ranger05]

Originally posted by pancho villa
He has to have an eligble # on and be the last man on line.
No 50s, 60s or 70s #s can go out for a pass. u have to tell the ref Ineligible # in an Ineligible postion i did that once i believe it was my freshmen year

[whtfbplaya]

Originally posted by Ranger05
u have to tell the ref Ineligible # in an Ineligible postion i did that once i believe it was my freshmen year

Yea I think that if you are an Ineligible # in an Ineligible position and you tell the ref you are ineligible: HERE IS YOUR SIGN!

[VAMike]

Sorry guys, "reporting in" is ONLY in the NFL. There is no such provision in NCAA (which is what we use in Texas).

[PlayaJBiehl20]

Some can some can't.

[PlayaJBiehl20]

Sorry I thought yall were talking about like if lineman are good enough to catch passes not if they can be elgilble or not.

[park place 45]

it has to be in the swinging gate and he has to have an elligible number.

[VAMike]

What "has to be in the swinging gate" ? If you mean that formation by itself can make an interior lineman eligible, you are wrong. You are correct though about the number, it must be something other than 50 - 79. And the player has to be the last one on one side of the line, he cannot be covered up, no matter what number he is wearing, if he wants to be eligible.

[3afan]

VAMike - you an official in VA? or just a fan?

[VAMike]

I am an official in Virginia but I just moved here from Texas where I was an official there. I used to be here as TXMike but when I moved and lostthe email address I had to re-register so I used VAMike.

[3afan]

i'm in VA !!! you have a game tonight?

[VAMike]

Not doing HS ball here (they use a different rulebook than we use in Texas) I only do D-III NCAA ball in the Old Dominion Athletic Conference and USA South Conference.

[TASOREF]

On a scrimmage down, at least five offensive players on the scrimmage
line shall be numbered 50 through 79 (Exception: During a scrimmage
kick formation, a player, who by his initial position on the line of scrimmage,
is an exception to the 50-79 mandatory numbering remains an
ineligible receiver during the down until a legal forward pass is
touched by a Team B player or an official. He must be positioned on the
line of scrimmage and between the end players on the line of scrimmage.
The ineligible receivers (interior linemen) are identified when the
snapper assumes his position and touches or simulates (hand[s] at or
below his knees) touching the ball. A player remains an ineligible
receiver and is an exception to the 50-79 mandatory numbering until
the down is over, a timeout is charged to a team or the referee, or a period
ends.) (A.R. 1-4-2-I, IV and V) [S19].

PENALTY—Live-ball foul. Five yards from the previous spot [S19 or
S23].


OR

b. When the snap starts: The offensive team must be in a formation that
meets these requirements:
1. At least seven players legally on their scrimmage line, not less than
five of whom shall be numbered 50 through 79. The remaining players
must be either on their scrimmage line or legally positioned as a
back (A.R. 2-27-4-I) [S19].
Exceptions:
1. Rule 1-4-2-b (A.R. 1-4-2-I).
2. One player may be between his scrimmage line and the backs if
in a position to receive a hand-to-hand snap from between the
snapper’s legs. When in such position, that player may receive
the snap himself or it may go directly to any player legally a back
[S19].

Which is the idea of a swinging gate scrimmage kick, in which the center must report himself as an eliglible receiver to the referee. So long as the others on the line to the outside of the snapper do not go out for a reception nor block downfield.

I hope that helps clear up any questions.. both are right. It just depends on which way you are asking and the situation behind it.

[VAMike]

Are you saying you believe there is EVER a time when anyone has to report to the referee to become elgible?

[3afan]

VAMike - you have a game today? I'm going to one locally, will have pics this evening .......

[VAMike]

I have Ferrum at NC Wesleyan today. Which game are you going to? Catholic Univ?

[3afan]

check PM !!!!!!!

[cdlvj]

La Grange against Manor did this on extra point, and it was the swinging gate formation. The Center #19 caught the pass from the holder for the 2 points. Got clarification last evening.

[RoTexRider3]

Originally posted by 3afan
ONLY IN 6 MAN

Well let's say that on a punt that center (wearing a field number 1-49 or 80-99) snap the ball then takes off for a pass in the up-back throws it to him...Would that be legal?

[VAMike]

Only way the snapper can be eligible is if he is wearing an eligible number and he is the last person on the line of scrimmage (which he can easily be in the swinging gate). It could happen on a punt also but that would be a strange punt formation.

[3afan]

VAMike - how did your game go today? Looks like Ferrum had an easy time of it.

USNA/Tulane was fun ... the football part sucked but the game day was great

[VAMike]

63 - 28 Those kinds of games are never easy to work. But the weather was beautiful!