Top 3A PLAYOFF CONTENDERS 2000-2004

[maroonpirate04]

Well here is the new list of the best 3A teams that managed to
stay in the playoffs from 2000-2004. Last summer 35 teams made
it. Now this year it's only 23 teams that kept their playoff tradition
alive. So Congrats to the teams that worked hard all season to
keep their spirit alive:clap: In 2004 the number one team is the
Sinton Pirates with a total season record of 55-12. The teams that
were knocked off due to realignament were Ballinger, Burnet, Everman, Forney, and Newton. And teams that failed to make it
were Atlanta, Falfurrias, Giddings, Hondo, La Grange, Mexia, and
Vernon.

01....SINTON...................................... ..55-12*
02....ABILENE WYLIE............................54-11
03....BELLVILLE................................... .52-14
04....MARLIN...................................... ..52-18
05....GAINESVILLE...............................50-12
06....COMMERCE.................................50-13
07....LONGVIEW SPRING HILL.............50-14
08....MONT BELVIEU BARBERS HILLS...48-11
09..ALTAIR RICE CONSOLIDATED......47-15
10...DAINGERFIELD............................46-16
11..SWEETWATER.............................46-18
12...YOAKUM......................................4 6-18
13...LA VERNIA...................................45-11
14...CHINA SPRING.............................45-12
15...MIDLAND GREENWOOD...............45-17
16...PORT ISABEL...............................44-18
17...GRAHAM......................................4 3-12
18...PERRYTON...................................42-17
19..CRANDALL...................................38-19
20...MOUNT VERNON..........................36-20
21...LINDALE...................................... 36-21
22...WILLS POINT...............................35-20
23...LIBERTY...................................... .31-24

[SintonFan]

LOL
I like your stats!
:clap:

[j_dog]

Why are you not including dropdown teams like Jasper who not only have made it to the semifinals or better all their current years in 3a, 2002, 2003, and 2004, QF in 4a in 2001 and a playoff position in 2000? Two years of playoffs in 4a should count as much as 3a playoff time in my opinion. :)

I doubt that any 3a team in the past three years has played or won as many playoff games as Jasper. It seems odd to me that they are not somewhere on the list. :confused: :thinking: And for the past five years they surely would be pretty high on the list as well if you will just give them credit for their 4a games.

[District303aPastPlayer]

because this is a 3A only, for all the years, stat... if you werent part of 3a since 2000, you dont count... no offense, its just how he runs this...

[SintonFan]

He is pretty good at these stats. He should have Jasper in there but according to "these stats" you would have to have an asterisk by your name.:)

[maroonpirate04]

Originally posted by j_dog
Why are you not including dropdown teams like Jasper who not only have made it to the semifinals or better all their current years in 3a, 2002, 2003, and 2004, QF in 4a in 2001 and a playoff position in 2000? Two years of playoffs in 4a should count as much as 3a playoff time in my opinion. :)

I doubt that any 3a team in the past three years has played or won as many playoff games as Jasper. It seems odd to me that they are not somewhere on the list. :confused: :thinking: And for the past five years they surely would be pretty high on the list as well if you will just give them credit for their 4a games.

Now I knew their were gonna be upsets. This is how I did it the teams that are listed have been in Class 3A since 2000 none of
them dropped or moved up therefore it's considered their home
then I combined their season records all those years. They advanced in the playoffs it don't matter how far they advanced
as long as they made it in the playoffs. Sorry for not giving them credit .

[lostaussie]

gimer is 51-11 in that period. not sure if we made playoffs in 2000. maybe that is why we are not on list. pretty good teams up there.

[spiveyrat]

Originally posted by j_dog
Why are you not including dropdown teams like Jasper who not only have made it to the semifinals or better all their current years in 3a, 2002, 2003, and 2004, QF in 4a in 2001 and a playoff position in 2000? Two years of playoffs in 4a should count as much as 3a playoff time in my opinion. :)

I doubt that any 3a team in the past three years has played or won as many playoff games as Jasper. It seems odd to me that they are not somewhere on the list. :confused: :thinking: And for the past five years they surely would be pretty high on the list as well if you will just give them credit for their 4a games.

You beat me to it! ;)

[duckbutter]

And why is Newton not included on this list? We were 3a until 2004.

[Phil C]

Originally posted by duckbutter
And why is Newton not included on this list? We were 3a until 2004.

When you move you lose! :D

[Owen B]

The key word in your statement is "until," duckbutter. Newton wasn't 3A in 2004.

Personally, I think maroonpirate should have gone back another year. Then Commerce could be #1 on the list. :) A 16-0 season in '99, when the leaders had 8-4 seasons, would make a big difference.

[Ranger Mom]

How many teams are there in 3A??

[Owen B]

182, Ranger Mom.

[j_dog]

Originally posted by SintonFan
He is pretty good at these stats. He should have Jasper in there but according to "these stats" you would have to have an asterisk by your name.:)
An asterisk would be fine. There should be an asterisk. Some people might even argue that making QF in 4a would be at least equivalent of doing that in 3a.

I just think his list should include all teams currently in 3a. Period. Otherwise, he is implying that Jasper and similar teams are not truly "3a" and that simply is not the case. :) To look at it otherwise is to penalize Jasper, and any other team in the same situation, for something over which they had absolutely no control.

[HighSchool Fan]

is being ranked in a poll all that important anyway

[j_dog]

Originally posted by HighSchool Fan
is being ranked in a poll all that important anyway
I totally agree about polls about the future. They are basically useless.

Analysis of the past is totally different. This is not a poll, it is an analysis, or whatever you may want to call it, but it is not a poll. It is based on what has already happened.

But, I do think the summary is a good idea. :) If I had access to all the data, I guess I should prepare the same summary for just the past three seasons. Then it would be valid. :D

[District303aPastPlayer]

Originally posted by j_dog
An asterisk would be fine. There should be an asterisk. Some people might even argue that making QF in 4a would be at least equivalent of doing that in 3a.

I just think his list should include all teams currently in 3a. Period. Otherwise, he is implying that Jasper and similar teams are not truly "3a" and that simply is not the case. :) To look at it otherwise is to penalize Jasper, and any other team in the same situation, for something over which they had absolutely no control.

quit whining... its a simple thing he does yearly... you didnt see it 4,3,2 years ago or last year... so get over it... geez ... get a grip


(i was informed i cant drop the B word)

[pirate4state]

Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer
quit ********... its a simple thing he does yearly... you didnt see it 4,3,2 years ago or last year... so get over it... geez ... get a grip :eek: whoa ...






:rolleyes:

[District303aPastPlayer]

Originally posted by pirate4state
:eek: whoa ...

i mean really... all maroonpirate is doing, is offering statistics of teams who have been in 3a for a long period of time. its that simple, if you werent in 3 years ago, you arent considered becuase you werent in 3a 3 years ago... i dont understand whats so hard to get about this...

[LH Panther Mom]

Originally posted by District303aPastPlayer
quit whining... its a simple thing he does yearly... you didnt see it 4,3,2 years ago or last year... so get over it... geez ... get a grip


(i was informed i cant drop the B word)

You should've known. :)

[maroonpirate04]

Man how funny people make a big deal about it . Last year
I didn't get not one complaint about it . I bet if their team
was at least on the top 10 they would'nt say a thing. I just
came up with the idea last year to see how many teams stayed
in 3A playoffs all that time either in Divison 1 Or 2. Here's a recap
of last year's top 10

01....EVERMAN..................................... ................50-6
02....LA GRANGE............................................ ......46-12
03....BELLVILLE................................... ................45-9
04....SINTON...................................... ..................45-9*
05....COMMERCE.................................... ..............44-8
06....FORNEY...................................... ..................43-9
07....GAINESVILLE................................. ...............42-8
08....ABILENE WYLIE............................................. 42-10
09....BURNET...................................... ...................42-10
10....LONGVIEW SPRING HILL...............................41-9

Remember the only reason some of these teams are out
Everman, Forney, & Burnet they moved up to 4A while
La Grange failed to make it to the playoffs during the 2004
season. Giving the others teams to move up in the Top 10 in '04

[Ranger Mom]

Don't sweat it MaroonPirate....I have found out over the past couple of days, no matter how hard you try, you can't please everyone.

I think 2000-2004 is perfect...the past 5 years!!

(Maybe because my team made the list!);) :p

[maroonpirate04]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Don't sweat it MaroonPirate....I have found out over the past couple of days, no matter how hard you try, you can't please everyone.

I think 2000-2004 is perfect...the past 5 years!!

(Maybe because my team made the list!);) :p


Thanks :) I guess my film didn't good review :D Anyways
Congrats on your team keep up playoff tradition alive who knows
maybe next year ur team will move up Good luck in 2005
Part 3 will be realeased July 2006:D

[Macarthur]

Actually, I'm one that thinks the rankings do matter somewhat. They certianly do not determine who will win this year, but they darn sure show a trend. I would suspect that most of those teams on that list will have a pretty good season because they have good programs.

[HighSchool Fan]

Originally posted by Ranger Mom
Don't sweat it MaroonPirate....I have found out over the past couple of days, no matter how hard you try, you can't please everyone.

I think 2000-2004 is perfect...the past 5 years!!

(Maybe because my team made the list!);) :p

i agree with ya RM. and to everyone else who has a problem with his poll or what ever you want to call it, he can use whatever years he wants, IT'S HIS PROJECT. make your own if you don't like his.

and the ap or coaches or any other poll doesn't really matter, where was Gilmer and abilene wylie ranked last preseason? where was gainesville and atlanta rated the year before? polls mean absolutely nothing in the long run.

[BeastoftheEast]

Gilmer is 29-1 in the last two years. Only Southlake Carroll can top that if I'm not mistaken.

[lostaussie]

Originally posted by BeastoftheEast
Gilmer is 29-1 in the last two years. Only Southlake Carroll can top that if I'm not mistaken. great to see that in print , but it still does not fit the criteria. good work maroonpirate04.

[Hupernikomen]

Originally posted by maroonpirate04
Now I knew their were gonna be upsets... been in Class 3A since 2000 none of them dropped or moved up therefore it's considered their home


that sums it up well. some people don't like the fact that teams have dropped into their classification. Heck even if Jasper win's a state championship you will have host of people saying that they should be 4A anyways since 3A isn't "our home".

Nice list btw.

[j_dog]

You are all right. It is maroonpirate04's project. :)

From his viewpoint it is credible to leave out some of the major teams. That is his right. Not very meaningful in my opinion, but certainly his right. :)

But I do have to disagree with any suggestion that 3a is not Jasper's "home". :)

[kepdawg]

Jasper has a good program, everybody knows it, and we didn't fit the criteria used to compile the list!

Jasper is 35-9 (Give or take a win/loss because of forfeits?) since dropping to 3A and was 15-10 its last 2 season in 4A for a combined 50-19 over the time considered.

With all that said, we still don't fit the criteria used to compile the list, the program is still good, and everybody still knows it!

Carry on!

[j_dog]

Originally posted by kepdawg
Jasper has a good program, everybody knows it, and we didn't fit the criteria used to compile the list!

Jasper is 35-9 (Give or take a win/loss because of forfeits?) since dropping to 3A and was 15-10 its last 2 season in 4A for a combined 50-19 over the time considered.

With all that said, we still don't fit the criteria used to compile the list, the program is still good, and everybody still knows it!

Carry on!
Well said kepdawg ! :clap: Thank you for the data. :)

And thank you maroonpirate04 for the thread. :)

[Owen B]

Originally posted by maroonpirate04
Man how funny people make a big deal about it . Last year
I didn't get not one complaint about it .
I hope you don't think my comment was a complaint, because it was intended to just be a joke that I threw in after answering the Newton poster's question.

[CheerMom]

Like my Raider boys at #9.

[TOPS1435]

Originally posted by Macarthur
....the rankings do matter somewhat. They certainly do not determine who will win this year, but they darn sure show a trend.

MacArthur, I would have agreed with you in 2000. However, I have become very, very disenchanted with the rankings.

In 2001, Longview Spring Hill or Tatum was to win state in their classifications by some "smarts", but the Buckeyes "upset" them. Gilmer was to be 4th or 5th in district, and finished undefeated.

UIL changed our district, so that Mount Vernon, Winnsboro, and Lindale were supposed to win, Gilmer place 4th. Gilmer went undefeated in 2002 and 2003.

In 2004, UIL changed which district we were in again, and after returning 7 players from a team that went to the regional finals, we were finally predicted to win district but were not in the top 25. Followers of 3A Downlow know the "accuracy" of that ranking.

As another Buckeye follower has noted, Gilmer has gone 51-11 in the past 5 seasons, (looks to me like we have gotten 12 extra games in there over those years) and this year, Dave Campbell STILL cannot figure how we can win district. They place us at 3rd again!!!!

Some times we feel like we are kin to Rodney Daingerfield.
:confused:

[maroonpirate04]

Well this so called controvsal poll/ratings whatever people
were thinking was posted on the texashsfootball website
and got a message from a someone asking me to post it
on another website on the texasfootballratings website
I guess they found it very interesting with the facts of a
simple idea I came up last year. :D Oh bye the way
Sinton #1:) :D :clap: ;) Peace everybody

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by TOPS1435

Some times we feel like we are kin to Rodney Daingerfield.
:confused:
.
Well, Rodney Daingerfield was rich and Gilmer is a defending State Titlist.
:D :p
j_dog, I feel your pain but hey maroonpirate04 made my day with this poll.:)

[maroonpirate04]

I think gonna stir another controvsal issue with the same topic
but the teams who have been in Class 3A since 1998 when
the divison was first broken up in 2