So You Dont Believe Jasper's THAT Fast....Here Ya Go [Archive]

JHS_c/o_06'

07-09-2005, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by SilsbeeD
I have to agree with LH mom on this one, I just cant see that.
40 times are a bit over rated I think anyways. You can run a 4.8 and still get a 1000 yards in a season.

But if you can run a 4.4 or 4.3....chances are....you could come close to doubling that with ease....

bullfrog_alumni_02

07-09-2005, 12:21 AM

the 40 time has basically no purpose in football since the conditions when you run the 40 and when the ball is run are totally different. it happens but not all that often you will see a back.reciever run for 40 yards in one direction without changing where he is running to.

jason

07-09-2005, 12:31 AM

If it was Nike who put this on, they probably used electronic timing.

big daddy russ

07-09-2005, 03:36 AM

Who the HELL is Antonio Mohn??? I'm praying he winds up at Auburn.

HighSchool Fan

07-09-2005, 07:35 AM

Kevin Mathis could out run Deion Sanders without pads on. with pads Deion would beat him. the 40 without pads, is pretty useless.

Rabbit'93

07-09-2005, 09:23 AM

The other thing that jumps out at me is there doesn't seem to be very many schools out of Texas.

lostaussie

07-09-2005, 10:53 AM

it's the shoes!!!!!!!

Hupernikomen

07-09-2005, 11:26 AM

Those are some blazing times. I don't know that I have ever seen times that low all on the same team. Can't help but question the timing method; however, it is impressive when you compare their times to the rest of the athletes who competed.

Jasper is fast and has been for a long time. Anyone who plays us already knows that we will bring the speed.

RdaleBoi08

07-09-2005, 02:29 PM

Those Are Some High Sparq Ratings!

WOS92

07-09-2005, 02:41 PM

Lumberton - perennial doormat - is #7 in Texas.

wos fan1

07-09-2005, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by WOS92
Lumberton - perennial doormat - is #7 in Texas. Lumberton?? :D :D

WOS92

07-09-2005, 02:53 PM

Imagine the fallout if a WO-S supporter was caught posting something like this about the Stangs... lol...

JHS_c/o_06'

07-09-2005, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by WOS92
Imagine the fallout if a WO-S supporter was caught posting something like this about the Stangs... lol...

It would start the first World Wide Web War ( WWWWI ) :D

WOS92

07-09-2005, 03:48 PM

Beaumont West Brook (2-8) ranks fourth in the nation? I guess that shows how little 40 times and other such measurements really count once the ball is in play.

Port_town_texas

07-09-2005, 06:35 PM

This isn't accurate because Lufkin, Memorial, and WO-S was not there.

c-town_balla

07-09-2005, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by Port_town_texas
This isn't accurate because Lufkin, Memorial, and WO-S was not there.

Is that why it says Lufkin in big bold letters at #5

bevo

07-09-2005, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by c-town_balla
Is that why it says Lufkin in big bold letter at #5

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Gobbla2001

07-09-2005, 07:53 PM

As long as they're not playing Cuero, I'm a fan of Jasper, and was cheering for them all the way during last year's playoffs...

However, there are a lot of teams out there with that sspeed...

Chris Hart

07-09-2005, 08:16 PM

Jasper is definately a team full of burners, they always are, but when you get to the quarterfinals and further, every team is fast. Maybe not quite as fast, but fast enough to beat you. Why didn't Jasper win the state track meet instead of Cuero? With all that speed, you can count on them both being bonafide contenders for the rings. Good luck to them both!:)

bevo

07-09-2005, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by bullfrog_alumni_02
the 40 time has basically no purpose in football since the conditions when you run the 40 and when the ball is run are totally different.

GO ARMY!!! (Thanks go out to you and all of the men & women who serve in the armed forces, bullfrog.)

But...I would have to disagree with you somewhat bullfrog. The 40 will always be a measuring stick for speed in football. I went to two different schools and the first thing they each did was clocked you in the 40. Basically to see what position you could play, would play or would not play...

...say what you will but everyone knows that speed kills and the 40 is the basis to be measured by...But there will be more student athletes that will accumulate their individual and team rankings in this NIKE Team Challenge. Since Lufkin is already at 5th, that would leave Memorial, WOS and heck...maybe even Burkeville or anyone else for that fact, provided that they play at any of the best 7-on-7 tournaments before the end of July.

j_dog

07-09-2005, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by WOS92
Lumberton - perennial doormat - is #7 in Texas.
It said they are going to test more teams. Lumberton WILL be going down, I do expect. :thinking: and WOS going up. :)

I agree with that by themselves these times do not guarantee one single victory to Jasper. I do think that anyone who thought all of Jasper's speed had graduated, to think again. There will be plenty of speed to go around. I think these guys not only have the speed, but that they are bigger guys than the speedsters who graduated. At least that is how it seems to me. :)

WOS92

07-09-2005, 08:44 PM

Well, WO-S won't hang with Jasper. jdawg has BET HIS LIFE on it on the smoaky site :clap:

j_dog

07-09-2005, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by WOS92
Well, WO-S won't hang with Jasper. jdawg has BET HIS LIFE on it on the smoaky site :clap:
it is official then! :D :clap:

bullfrog_alumni_02

07-09-2005, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by bevo
GO ARMY!!! (Thanks go out to you and all of the men & women who serve in the armed forces, bullfrog.)

But...I would have to disagree with you somewhat bullfrog. The 40 will always be a measuring stick for speed in football. I went to two different schools and the first thing they each did was clocked you in the 40. Basically to see what position you could play, would play or would not play...

...say what you will but everyone knows that speed kills and the 40 is the basis to be measured by...But there will be more student athletes that will accumulate their individual and team rankings in this NIKE Team Challenge. Since Lufkin is already at 5th, that would leave Memorial, WOS and heck...maybe even Burkeville or anyone else for that fact, provided that they play at any of the best 7-on-7 tournaments before the end of July. i understand what your saying and it is a good way for coaches to judge players speed, but that is linear speed, not side to side speed, juking, dodging, and jumping speed wearing all of the pads that are worn on the football field under the lights on friday nights. i will find the thing that a writer on espn wrote about the 40 time and how ineffective the 40 time is in judging speed for football. ill post a link when i find it.

bullfrog_alumni_02

07-09-2005, 09:12 PM

as promised i found the link

40 Times (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/news/story?id=2076741)

sicem74

07-09-2005, 09:29 PM

its alright but congrats jasper

bevo

07-09-2005, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by bullfrog_alumni_02
as promised i found the link

40 Times (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/news/story?id=2076741)

Yep...I remember reading this not too long ago on espn's site, bullfrog.

Ranger05

07-10-2005, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by JHS_c/o_06'
But if you can run a 4.4 or 4.3....chances are....you could come close to doubling that with ease.... I deffinately have to disagree with that because there are a lot of factors Greenwood had a guy this past year that was 6'3 235lbs and was being recruited by Notre Dame he was averaging 9 or 10 yards a carry and he only ran a 4.65. If we would have had him as our running back last year we would have done a lot better but the coaches felt it was necessary to save him for defense.

Ranger05

07-10-2005, 12:41 AM

But on offense he had limited to carrys maybe 5 or 6 a game but i think if he would have gotten the ball an avg of 15 to 20 times a game he would have easily gotten 1000 yds maybe even close to 1500 yds

LH Panther Mom

07-10-2005, 07:44 AM

Originally posted by Ranger05
I deffinately have to disagree with that because there are a lot of factors Greenwood had a guy this past year that was 6'3 235lbs and was being recruited by Notre Dame he was averaging 9 or 10 yards a carry and he only ran a 4.65.

Sometimes leg strength makes up for speed, imo. A back who can drag defenders with him to gain yards can do great things. The 5-10 yd gains may take a little longer to get the TD than the 40-yd breakaway gain. In the end, the same results are achieved - points on the board. We've not had any backs who were what you'd call "fast", but they've done pretty well for themselves. ;)

lostaussie

07-10-2005, 09:10 AM

it's the shoes. it's gotta be the shoes!!!!!

lostaussie

07-10-2005, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by WOS92
Well, WO-S won't hang with Jasper. jdawg has BET HIS LIFE on it on the smoaky site :clap: i coundn't beleive what i read. this guy is either very confident or very stupid. maybe a little of both.

Tiger90

07-10-2005, 01:06 PM

Well surely you know by seeing Lumberton so high something has to be amiss. No way would I use this as the gauge after seeing that. No disrespect to the Lumberton faithful, but come on.

It is great to see Jasper so fast. It just means they will get tackled at the line quicker.:D :kiss:

JHS_c/o_06'

07-10-2005, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by LH Panther Mom
Sometimes leg strength makes up for speed, imo. A back who can drag defenders with him to gain yards can do great things. The 5-10 yd gains may take a little longer to get the TD than the 40-yd breakaway gain. In the end, the same results are achieved - points on the board.

That is very true Deb. We have two guys this year who will be switching as starting FB who have the ability to run 15 while dragging 3-5 people. Todd, one of those guys, is like Cedric Benson in that most of his yards come from after the first contact.

But like in Ranger05's case, he didnt get as many carries last year because he mostly played on defense. But that is going to change this year.

WOS92

07-10-2005, 03:28 PM

But the key question is: What does he run in the 40 while dragging three 200-pound people? :D

Old Tiger

07-10-2005, 03:30 PM

40s are more less for breakaway speed

WOS92

07-10-2005, 03:33 PM

LOL... It was a joke, dude. I was making a joke by pointing out the over-emphasis of 40 times in judging athletic talent.
:doh:

j_dog

07-10-2005, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by Tiger90
.... No disrespect to the Lumberton faithful, but come on.
....
what Lumberton faithful?? :D I did not know there were any. ;)

j_dog

07-10-2005, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by JHS_c/o_06'
.... Todd, one of those guys, ......
Is this the same Todd who pretty well ran wild on Diboll his freshman year as a backup? scored a TD or two? I am sure the WOS folks remember the name "Hunt". ;)

WOS92

07-10-2005, 07:14 PM

Um... I know "bronson" but not "hunt."

j_dog

07-10-2005, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by WOS92
Um... I know "bronson" but not "hunt."
ask some of your elders. I think this is a cousin.

Tiger90

07-10-2005, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by j_dog
what Lumberton faithful?? :D I did not know there were any. ;)

I was gonna leave it off, but as soon as I did someone would be the supposed inside guru on why this year's Lumberton squad was "different" from the past years.:evillaugh

Buffalo

07-10-2005, 08:01 PM

I hope they did not escept anything from NIKE for winning.

j_dog

07-10-2005, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Tiger90
I was gonna leave it off, but as soon as I did someone would be the supposed inside guru on why this year's Lumberton squad was "different" from the past years.:evillaugh
we don't have to be nice to lumberton. they are 4a. :D

WOS92

07-10-2005, 08:13 PM

Guys, you are dissing Lumberton - who, according to this link, is one of the elite teams in Texas! Watch it!

j_dog

07-10-2005, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by WOS92
Guys, you are dissing Lumberton - who, according to this link, is one of the elite teams in Texas! Watch it!
tell us about it when they PLAY their first playoff game. ;)

JHS_c/o_06'

07-10-2005, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by WOS92
Um... I know "bronson" but not "hunt."

You will know "Hunt" soon enough...and while the bronson (#7) you know of is gone, he has a cousin, another bronson, who is just like Big Moe (Marlon Cook). Big, Strong, Fast and can drag about 5 people.

WOS92

07-10-2005, 09:12 PM

Isn't there a "scared" smiley? :rolleyes:

Don't know Bronson #7... I knew Zack Bronson. Well, if he can drag five people, then he should average about 25 yards per carry or so, wouldn't you say?

Tiger90

07-10-2005, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by WOS92
Isn't there a "scared" smiley? :rolleyes:

Don't know Bronson #7... I knew Zack Bronson. Well, if he can drag five people, then he should average about 25 yards per carry or so, wouldn't you say?

I dunno if it takes more than 5 with the Flash Gordon speed we are talking here I doubt more than 1 opposing team player touches these kids.:thinking:

Of course I see only one team touching this type of speed.......not the Stangs or the Tigers, but the Wildcats.:crazy: We just have not heard about it yet.

j_dog

07-10-2005, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by WOS92
Isn't there a "scared" smiley? :rolleyes:

Don't know Bronson #7... I knew Zack Bronson. Well, if he can drag five people, then he should average about 25 yards per carry or so, wouldn't you say?
oh no, this Bronson is quite human. He is only good for 10 to 15 yards per carry. :D maybe you didn't notice him last year, but he did get some playing time when Jasper needed to eat up the clock.

WOS92

07-10-2005, 11:01 PM

Well thank God we've got our share of weapons :D

WOS1

07-12-2005, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by j_dog
ask some of your elders. I think this is a cousin.

Chris Hunt, running back on the 1986 Jasper squad. I hope this Hunt ends up a little better off than the other.

JasperDog94

07-12-2005, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by WOS1
Chris Hunt, running back on the 1986 Jasper squad. I hope this Hunt ends up a little better off than the other. We all do.

Bulldog92

07-12-2005, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by JasperDog94
We all do. If I remember correctly, Chris was a troubled guy, but I don't remember what happened to him. We had another guy that was a standout after Hunt (Preston) that ran into the same fate, but he didn't finish his senior year, which was my freshman year. We had a pretty good squad that year, but you fellas from West Orange made short work of us on Lamar's field 38-15 in bi-district. That was a sad day, but I'm convinced not having Preston hurt us because we couldn't run on you guys. Back then, Coach Walkoviak was running the veer and we had NO passing game.

AggiesAreWe

07-13-2005, 10:34 AM

Here's a point about 40 times: does anyone know the fastest 40 time ever recorded? It was Reynaldo Nehiamiah of the 49ers at the NFL combine with a time of 4.079. Now, with that kind of speed, he still couldn't play football worth a flip. On the other hand, since we are talking high school football, Silsbee had a running back several years ago by the name of Jay McGuire. He won the first Willy Ray Smith award that year after rushing for 2,000 yds in the regular season( got hurt in the last game and did not play in the 2 playoff games). He had a phenomanal season with several kickoff and punt return td's to go along with his rushing td's. He gained 454 yds. in one game against Nederland that year. With all that said, his best time in the forty was around 4.6 and he wasn't a big guy, around 5-9 180. Speed is great thing to have, but not everything. Just my opinion.