Big 12

[gobbler84]

Does the BIG 12 have the best athletes?

[KTJ]

Can you be more specific?

[gobbler84]

Well just about every year theres a team from the Big 12 in a championship. Well are the best teams in the Big 12?

[KTJ]

Well it's usually the same teams over and over that are playing for those championships (OU in football, Texas in baseball, Kansas/Texas/OU in basketball, Texas/Baylor/Texas Tech in women's basketball, Texas/Oklahoma in softball, Texas/Nebraska in track).

So until we can get more teams playing for championships like other conferences, then no, we don't have the best athletes. That, sir, belongs to the SEC. But the Big 12 is definitely 2nd.

[District303aPastPlayer]

Originally posted by gobbler84
Well just about every year theres a team from the Big 12 in a championship. Well are the best teams in the Big 12?

i understand what you mean.. i would venture to say yes

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by KTJ
Well it's usually the same teams over and over that are playing for those championships (OU in football, Texas in baseball, Kansas/Texas/OU in basketball, Texas/Baylor/Texas Tech in women's basketball, Texas/Oklahoma in softball, Texas/Nebraska in track).

So until we can get more teams playing for championships like other conferences, then no, we don't have the best athletes. That, sir, belongs to the SEC. But the Big 12 is definitely 2nd.


Then why does the Big 12 send more teams to bowl games, the NCAA tournament, and CWS consistenly more than other conferences?

[gobbler84]

That's exactly what I ment!

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by gobbler84
That's exactly what I ment!


I know...I am just tired of hearing about how the SEC is superior. The Big XII is where it is at.

[KTJ]

Originally posted by rockdale80
Then why does the Big 12 send more teams to bowl games, the NCAA tournament, and CWS consistenly more than other conferences?

1.) Dude, I go to (or went to) UT. I'm pro Big 12 (in some cases) so I'm not dogging the Big 12 by any means.

3.) And I don't know where you go that info, but we haven't sent more Big 12 teams to any of those things. Where did you get that from?

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by KTJ
1.) Dude, I go to (or went to) UT. I'm pro Big 12 (in some cases) so I'm not dogging the Big 12 by any means.

3.) And I don't know where you go that info, but we haven't sent more Big 12 teams to any of those things. Where did you get that from?

Last year 7 teams in bowl games including 1 in the national championship game. Having a team play for the title the 4th time in 5 years. 6 teams played in the NCAA tournament and has had 5 teams make it to the final four in the last 4 years with the ACC coming in 2nd with 4. 2 to the NIT. 5 in the CWS with 3 making it to the final 8, and Texas winning it all. And this is just the mens sports. I am sure with softball, and womens basketball that would make my point even stronger.

[rockdale80]

ttt...i want KTJ to read this. and i know where you went to school. congrats on graduating by the way.

[Old Tiger]

The Pac-10 is the "Conference of Champions"

[big daddy russ]

I think that the better athletes are over in the SEC and ACC but the Big XII just tends to get it done, with or without the caliber of athletes that some of the other conferences have.

[JHS_c/o_06']

pac 10 is over rated


..so usc won a national title.....big deal.....Cal sure had a wonderful showing against tech...

and call be bias, but i honestly think that on that night, UT would have beat USC.

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by big daddy russ
I think that the better athletes are over in the SEC and ACC but the Big XII just tends to get it done, with or without the caliber of athletes that some of the other conferences have.

The numbers speak for themselves.....

[PhiI C]

Originally posted by KTJ
Well it's usually the same teams over and over that are playing for those championships (OU in football, Texas in baseball, Kansas/Texas/OU in basketball, Texas/Baylor/Texas Tech in women's basketball, Texas/Oklahoma in softball, Texas/Nebraska in track).

So until we can get more teams playing for championships like other conferences, then no, we don't have the best athletes. That, sir, belongs to the SEC. But the Big 12 is definitely 2nd.

Don't forget Oklahoma State in wrestling! And the Lady Aggies and the Lady Horns may challenge for the soccer national championship soon.

[PhiI C]

And we have to remember Baylor has recent national championships in tennis and Womens' Basketball.

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by rockdale80
The numbers speak for themselves.....
Boise State went 11-1 and averaged about 512 yards per game total offense. Cal went 10-2 and only averaged 495 yards per game. Boise must have been the better team.

[bullfrog_alumni_02]

Originally posted by big daddy russ
Boise State went 11-1 and averaged about 512 yards per game total offense. Cal went 10-2 and only averaged 495 yards per game. Boise must have been the better team. by that measurement yes, but you also have to look at who each team played.

Cal
September 4 at Air Force W 56-14 1-0 (0-0)
September 11 New Mexico State W 41-14 2-0 (0-0)
September 16 at Southern Miss Postponed
October 2 at Oregon State W 49-7 3-0 (1-0)
October 9 at No. 1 USC L 23-17 3-1 (1-1)
October 16 UCLA W 45-28 4-1 (2-1)
October 23 at Arizona W 38-0 5-1 (3-1)
October 30 No. 21 Arizona State W 27-0 6-1 (4-1)
November 6 Oregon W 28-27 7-1 (5-1)
November 13 at Washington W 42-12 8-1 (6-1)
November 20 Stanford W 41-6 9-1 (7-1)
December 4 at Southern Miss W 26-16 10-1 (7-1)
December 30 vs No. 17 Texas Tech L 45-31 10-2 (7-1)

Boise State
September 4 Idaho W 65-7 1-0 (0-0)
September 10 Oregon State W 53-34 2-0 (0-0)
September 18 at UTEP W 47-31 3-0 (1-0)
September 24 BYU W 28-27 4-0 (1-0)
October 2 SMU W 38-20 5-0 (2-0)
October 16 at Tulsa W 45-42 6-0 (3-0)
October 23 Fresno State W 33-16 7-0 (4-0)
October 29 Hawaii W 69-3 8-0 (5-0)
November 13 at San Jose State W 56-49 9-0 (6-0)
November 20 Louisiana Tech W 55-14 10-0 (7-0)
November 27 at Nevada W 58-21 11-0 (8-0)
December 31 vs No. 7 Louisville L 44-40 11-1 (8-0)

out of the two teams schedules, Cal had a much harder schedule. the wac is a decent conference, but nothing compared to that of the pac-10.

[KTJ]

Football

Big 12 - 7 Teams - Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, Colorado
SEC - 7 Teams - Alabama, Purdue, Florida, LSU, Tennessee, Auburn, Georgia
ACC - 6 Teams - Georgia Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, Miami, FSU, Virginia Tech
PAC 10 - 5 Teams - UCLA, Oregon State, Cal, Arizona State, USC
Big 10 - 4 Teams - Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan

OVERALL CHAMP - USC (PAC 10)

Basketball

Big 12 - 6 Teams - Texas, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Kansas
Big East - 6 Teams - Boston College, UCONN, Syracuse, Villanova, Pitt, WV
SEC - 5 Teams - Alabama, LSU, Florida, Kentucky, Mississippi State
ACC - 5 Teams - North Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Duke
Big 10 - 5 Teams - Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan State, Iowa
PAC 10 - 4 Teams - Arizona, Washington, UCLA, Stanford

OVERALL CHAMP - North Carolina (ACC)


Baseball

SEC - 9 Teams - Alabama, LSU, Mississippi, Arkansas, South Carolina, Tennessee, Auburn, Florida, Mississippi State
ACC - 7 Teams - Virginia, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, North Carolina, Miami, North Carolina State
Big 12 - 5 Teams - Texas, Baylor, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Mizzou
Pac 10 - 5 Teams - USC, Oregon State, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State
Big 10 - 2 Teams - Ohio State, Michigan

OVERALL CHAMP - Texas (Big 12)


Softball National Champ - Michigan (Big 10) [but the softball tourney is always Pac 10 heavy)

Women's Track & Field National Champ - Texas (Big 12)

Men's Track & Field National Champ - Arkansas (SEC)


So I still stand with the argument that we aren't the "best" conference until a.) we get more teams in post-season play, b.) those teams that do get into post season play that aren't "traditional teams" in said sport start going more than one round deep, or in the case of football, start winning those games, and c.) until there is a better parity of Big 12 Schools winning the NC. (right now, it's only Texas and OU.)

And that took forever. I need a glass of apple juice...brb.

[Phil C]

Boise State
September 4 Idaho W 65-7 1-0 (0-0)
September 10 Oregon State W 53-34 2-0 (0-0)
September 18 at UTEP W 47-31 3-0 (1-0)
September 24 BYU W 28-27 4-0 (1-0)
October 2 SMU W 38-20 5-0 (2-0)
October 16 at Tulsa W 45-42 6-0 (3-0)
October 23 Fresno State W 33-16 7-0 (4-0)
October 29 Hawaii W 69-3 8-0 (5-0)
November 13 at San Jose State W 56-49 9-0 (6-0)
November 20 Louisiana Tech W 55-14 10-0 (7-0)
November 27 at Nevada W 58-21 11-0 (8-0)
December 31 vs No. 7 Louisville L 44-40 11-1 (8-0)

out of the two teams schedules, Cal had a much harder schedule. the wac is a decent conference, but nothing compared to that of the pac-10. [/B][/QUOTE]

We have to remember though that some of Boise State opponents are still very worthy opponents.

For example Oregon State won the 2001 Fiesta Bowl by beating powerhouse Notre Dame 41 to 10. Also Oregon State won the 1942 Rose Bowl.

UTEP was the National Champions in NCAA Div. 1 basball in 1966.

BYU won the NCAA football National Championship in the 80s.

Fresco State has had some good teams in the past.

SMU has been a football powerhouse in the past. Remember Doak Walker played there and they were a power house team in the late 40s and had good teams in the 80s and played in the cotton bowl in the 60s.

Hawaii won a bowl in Hawaii this past year.

Louisiana Tech produced a great quarterback in Terry Bradshaw.

Louisville also produced a great quarterback in Johnny Unitas.

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by bullfrog_alumni_02
by that measurement yes, but you also have to look at who each team played...
The numbers speak for themselves.

[big daddy russ]

Originally posted by KTJ
Football

Big 12 - 7 Teams - Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, Colorado
SEC - 7 Teams - Alabama, Purdue, Florida, LSU, Tennessee, Auburn, Georgia
ACC - 6 Teams - Georgia Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, Miami, FSU, Virginia Tech
PAC 10 - 5 Teams - UCLA, Oregon State, Cal, Arizona State, USC
Big 10 - 4 Teams - Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan

OVERALL CHAMP - USC (PAC 10)
LOL, I know you spent a lot of time on that and I definitely know that you know college fb, but one mistake I noticed... Purdue's in the Big Ten. I had Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Purdue and Minnesota written down as Big Ten Bowl teams last year. From the SEC, I had all those minus Purdue, and the rest was perfect.

[cat dog horse]

Originally posted by JHS_c/o_06'

and call be bias, but i honestly think that on that night, UT would have beat USC.

you are stupid, USC was by far the best team last year....as much as i like UT they would've goten smashed

[gobbler84]

I agree. Texas can't get past Oklahoma, so what makes you think they can get past USC?

[rockdale80]

Originally posted by rockdale80
Last year 7 teams in bowl games including 1 in the national championship game. Having a team play for the title the 4th time in 5 years. 6 teams played in the NCAA tournament and has had 5 teams make it to the final four in the last 4 years with the ACC coming in 2nd with 4. 2 to the NIT. 5 in the CWS with 3 making it to the final 8, and Texas winning it all. And this is just the mens sports. I am sure with softball, and womens basketball that would make my point even stronger.



Having a team play for the national title for the 4 time in 5 years in football. 5 teams in the final four for basketball. And 2 national championships in baseball in the last 5 years in baseball, and 3 of the final 8 teams playing were big 12 schools. That is enough proof for me. If you care to disagree then it is a difference of opinion. But to me those numbers speak for themselves.