A football question: run, pass or spread

[WOS1]

Most of you probably know that the spread is real big these days in the larger classes. Almost every state championship has at least one team that is running it now (ie. South Lake, The Woodlands, Ennis, Denton ryan, Stephenville, Lamarque). What I'm wondering is if the offense has caught on yet at the 3A level. Being a newbie in this division, I do not know yet. What are the more successful programs running? I know Jasper is running the spread, but are the rest running a traditional running game (I, Power I, Veer, Wishbone, Wing T), or are they running the spread and mainly throwing or are they running it and mainly running? If that doesn't make sense, let me know and I will clarify.

Is any of the top programs running a traditional offense and throwing a lot out of it?

[CRHSeagle]

Most teams I've seen in 3a run the ball, but I've seen Decatur and other teams run the spread and have lots of success with it.

[SintonFan]

Jasper runs and passes from the shotgun.
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Sinton has a combination of spread and run. They have multiple formations like many teams in 3A now run. Cuero is a power running team(effective from my perspective) but can mix it up. Hehe, Coach Reeve is crafty.
3A might not have the talent of the higher levels, but the succesful teams have had more wins running some kind of mix. Gainesville last year might be an exception(and a few others). They were more run than most.

[Old Tiger]

Burnet ran the spread really well????

[SintonFan]

Originally posted by Tiger WR
Burnet ran the spread really well????
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[Old Tiger]

I'm not sure if they ran a true spread or not...

[WOS1]

The spread offense created by Art Briles at Stephenville typically uses 5 lineman, 4 receivers and one back. In certain situations, they will sub another running back for a receiver. The main aspect of the "Briles" spread is that they run out of it almost as much as they throw and the QB is essentially used as another running back. Lots of draw plays, QB draws, sprint options, quick passes in the flats, misdirection and QB run-pass options. Very difficult to defense and can be used with a smaller line.

[VWG]

It all depends on the coach.
Sweetwater is a running team, that mixes in few pass plays.
Jackson has done this for years, even before he was at Sweetwater.
Sandifer runs a pro-set with multiple pass plays as well as run plays... again it's what he has used for years.
Vernon runs a wing-T, and their coach, believe his name is Hall has a background with that offense.
Usually it's what the coach has either been doing with success or is more comfortable with.
I've seen some coaches, in my opinion, try to ramrod their system although they might not have the athletes to support it. Whether that be a concentrated running offense or pass offense. Same goes for the defensive side of the ball. It's very tough to install diff. offensive and defensive schemes every other year, and that's why 9 out of 10 coaches stay with their bread and butter.

[Old Green]

Originally posted by SintonFan
Jasper runs and passes from the shotgun.
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Sinton has a combination of spread and run. They have multiple formations like many teams in 3A now run. Cuero is a power running team(effective from my perspective) but can mix it up. Hehe, Coach Reeve is crafty.
3A might not have the talent of the higher levels, but the succesful teams have had more wins running some kind of mix. Gainesville last year might be an exception(and a few others). They were more run than most.
Cuero mostly runs the ball but can pass out of Multiple formations. It was their first year running the offense coach Reeve installed. Schumacher was pretty effective passing (80 of 115 passing for for almost 1200 yards). He should be better with the addition of 3 outstanding recievers moving up who will be sophomores.

[sinton66]

The problem with one set, any set is that the competition gets used to it and will eventially figure out how to defend it properly. Multiple sets allows a team to mix things up and keep the defense guessing. It also doesn't hurt anything if a team has athletes that can make you run your legs off chasing them either. In reality, that can be done with run or pass.

[GUNHO]

After Ennis beat us in the 2000 state game wo-s decided to run the spread the next year.It was a disaster.It was one of our worst years (5-5 ) in a long time.Needless to say we scraped it.

[Gilmer Buckeye]

Originally posted by WOS1
The spread offense created by Art Briles at Stephenville typically uses 5 lineman, 4 receivers and one back. In certain situations, they will sub another running back for a receiver. The main aspect of the "Briles" spread is that they run out of it almost as much as they throw and the QB is essentially used as another running back. Lots of draw plays, QB draws, sprint options, quick passes in the flats, misdirection and QB run-pass options. Very difficult to defense and can be used with a smaller line.

This must be the version of the spread that Gilmer runs. Last season, our QB was also our leading rusher.

[JasperDog94]

The spread worked really well for Jasper last year when Marlon Cook was healthy. Most defenses get tired trying to defend the spread, so late in the game when you've got a 250 pound running back coming right at you, it can be a little hard to wrap up. I feel bad that he (Cook) ended his senior year hurt.:(

[WOS1]

Originally posted by GUNHO
After Ennis beat us in the 2000 state game wo-s decided to run the spread the next year.It was a disaster.It was one of our worst years (5-5 ) in a long time.Needless to say we scraped it.

Gun, what you saw in 2001 at WO-S wasn't anything close to how that offense is supposed to be run. Don't judge the offense by the way we executed it. We ran 3 plays out of it the whole year. There's a whole lot more to that offense than what we did.

[GUNHO]

WOS1,I didn't mean to imply it wasn't a good offense.We just didn't realy know how to execute it like you said.It was very clear we didn't know what we were doing.:rolleyes:

[JasperDog94]

There's this great saying: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." WOS was having success with the system in place. What was the reason for changing it in 2001? Was it because of Ennis? I mean, you made it to the championship game with the old system.

Just wondering.

[kaorder1999]

it all depends on the athletes....

[WOS1]

Originally posted by JasperDog94
There's this great saying: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." WOS was having success with the system in place. What was the reason for changing it in 2001? Was it because of Ennis? I mean, you made it to the championship game with the old system.

Just wondering.

That's a good question, the answer... we made it to the Finals in spite of our offense. We had, arguably, one of the best defenses ever in class 4A. Definitely the best in the state that year by far. We all know that defense wins championships, but our offense was catatonic. It was terrible and our coaches knew it. We were trying to run the I and power I with a below average line. The coaches finally realized that our personnel no longer could support a power running game at the 4A level. We had all the skill players you could desire, but we didn't have the beef up front to make it work. The spread really worked better for what we had to work with.

We do still run the spread, but until the last few games last year. We ran a wide open offense with a conservative mentality (old habits are hard to break). They don't work well together. Hopefully, our OC has learned how to run the offense now and we will see this year what it can do when used appropriately. ;)

[slpybear the bullfan]

I agree... it depends on the atheletes.

Bridgeport ran the spread for the last decade. Very successful when you have the talent. Satisfactory when you don't.

I will say this though... the spread can make HS Defensive Backs look a couple of grades behind. IMHO HS DB covering the spread is very tough when the QB and his receivers are on the same page.

Another thing about the spread. Any down of a series can net you the first down plus some. When it is running well the team plays a little looser and does not feel quite as pressured in 3rd and long situations.

At least that is my experience with it.

Good topic...

[true_blue_tiger]

Daingerfield and Atlanta had success running the ball. Daingerfield used the wishbone the past 2 years, but with the new coach, I believe they have transformed into another spread team. Unfortunately! Atlanta won state and was 3-6 for 8 yds in the passing department. In 2002, when we advanced to the semi-finals, we hardly threw the ball, and usually had 12 to 13 different runningbacks. So up north in district 14-3a success relies on how well you can tote the rock.

[La Grange]

We run the three back I and everyone in the stands on both sides know exactly what plays we are going to run. We are going to run the option to the left, then to the right, then we might mix it up a bit and run the double or triple option.

[Old No. 7]

Kirbyville runs the "scat". Let me explain it to you. You take a 140lb. running back with 4.5 speed; and you run him up the middle right at the biggest defender on the other team. You run to the same side everytime untill you score or punt. Then the next time you run to the other side unless there is a chance to run toward the short side of the field. Sorry, i just had to vent for a moment.

I like the spread. I also beleive when you can run different plays(run or pass) from the same formation, your offence will be very successfull. ........... but not the scat.:D

[WOS1]

I agree No 7. Unless you have the athletes up front, you have to be diverse offensively. You MUST keep the defense off balance unless you have the horses to run right at them.

[Supertilley]

What offense did Texas Tech run last year? What ever that was, was executed near perfectly. I think if their defense wouldn't have been as BAD as it was they would have been top 3. But like you said about the athletes, they had great ones at the skill positions.

[mwynn05]

i think texas tech ran the fun and gun but im not too sure. now back to the topic i think it basicly comes down to the athletes you have. you could have one of the best teams in the state but if the athletes you had didnt fit into the system you tryed to force on them then you could find your self struggling to even make the playoffs. i think im makeing that example a little extreme though

[sinton66]

Everman took back to back titles running a wing-t and throwing out of it only when they absolutely had to. In 1990, Sinton ran the wing-t so well, we made it all the way to the semifinals averaging about 400-500 yds a game, and never threw a single pass. When the wing-t is run correctly, it is a thing of beauty in my opinion. It is by far my favorite running set. Sometimes I wish we still did.

[Papa Smurf 05]

I TOTALLY agree with Sinton66. Just look at Kennedale's stats from last year! :eek: :eek:

[Matthew328]

Everman doesn't run the true Wing-T....you wanna see a good Wing-T team...check out Kennedale the past 3 years...with their stable of backs....especially 2002....wow it was really tough to stop...Everman runs what is called the nasty slot....where they use some Wing-T principles, some spread and a lil bit of veer for fun especially when they had Benton at QB...they ran the option to perfection...I know Sinto fans remember in the 2001 state game....when Benton on an option was about to be tackled and at the very last instant pitched off to Theo Miller who scampered down the sidelines inside the 5....that was a HUGE play in Everman's win..

[La Grange]

Forney fans probably remember the Tye Gunn option. He had a lot of nice option runs in the 2000 finals.

[Supertilley]

Can someone help me out here. What exactly is the wing T? What does it consist of, as far as formation goes?

[Stanley]

Originally posted by WOS1
we made it to the Finals in spite of our offense. We had, arguably, one of the best defenses ever in class 4A. Definitely the best in the state that year by far. We all know that defense wins championships, but our offense was catatonic.

I saw the Ennis-WOS game and I don't recall Ennis scoring 30 first half points on the WOS OFFENSE that game. I think some of those 30 were scored against "one of the best defenses ever in class 4A".

I know WOS had bad game and that sometimes happens, but don't give 100% of the blame to the offense when that many points were scored. They had a bad game on both sides of the ball and Ennis was a big part of that.

[Z motion 10 out on 2]

Although Vernon runs the Wing T, I'm not any type of expert. From what Vernon does the line up a 6 man front with a TE. They have an offest backfield with a halfback, fullback and wingback. They have 1 WR. They run the midline dive, option, qiuckpitch, counter, roll out passes to the backs in the flat, short outs to the TE. They run lots of fakes so it is hard to tell who has the ball.

Someone with a little bit more knowledge can expand on my comment.

Vernon did run it very well last year. The Vernon head coach is a defensive minded guy, so he brought in a specialist in the Wing T to coordinate the offense. Must be tough to defend since the head coach dialed the wing T when he got the job. He should know since he has had to face it.

[GUNHO]

Originally posted by Stanley
I saw the Ennis-WOS game and I don't recall Ennis scoring 30 first half points on the WOS OFFENSE that game. I think some of those 30 were scored against "one of the best defenses ever in class 4A".

I know WOS had bad game and that sometimes happens, but don't give 100% of the blame to the offense when that many points were scored. They had a bad game on both sides of the ball and Ennis was a big part of that.

They scored 31 points against our defense in the first half.After some adjuatments at half time,they only scored 7 points the second half,but the damage had already been done.Ennis came out and thourghly whupped us that first half.At the end of the game,Ennis had 34 more total yards and 6 more 1st downs.Ennis played a great game against a never say die wo-s team.

[WOS1]

Originally posted by Stanley
I saw the Ennis-WOS game and I don't recall Ennis scoring 30 first half points on the WOS OFFENSE that game. I think some of those 30 were scored against "one of the best defenses ever in class 4A".

I know WOS had bad game and that sometimes happens, but don't give 100% of the blame to the offense when that many points were scored. They had a bad game on both sides of the ball and Ennis was a big part of that.

What planet are you from? Try to go back and read my post very slowly... you will see that I said nothing about the Championship game with Ennis. In fact, Ennis was never mentioned. In fact, if you were at the game, you know our offense actually played well since we got behind and had to open things up. Our defense definitely cost us the game, but in their defense (no pun intended), it was the first time we had ever seen the spread. That's why I like it as do our coaches, we figured, if that offense could do that to our defense, it might be something we need to look into.

BTW- I like how you copied part of my statement about our defense and conveniently left out the "arguably". Are you really Sans incognito?? If you aren't, get your on MO, Dude. That's pathetic.

[Stanley]

You said "arguably" and I argued it. My point was that a list of the arguably best defenses ever probably doesn't include defenses that gave up 31 points in a half (Thanks for correcting my 30 points in a half mistake. It was 31?)

I know you never TYPED Ennis, but you mentioned the Finals, which I recalled was against Ennis.


we made it to the Finals in spite of our offense. We had, arguably, one of the best defenses ever in class 4A. Definitely the best in the state that year by far. We all know that defense wins championships, but our offense was catatonic. It was terrible and our coaches knew it.

I was just sticking up for the offense's game in the Finals (I won't say it was against Ennis if that's what upset you). WOS had a bad day, but this post implied the loss was because the mustang offense had a bad day and that's what cost them in the Finals. Not true based on what I saw. Just a bad game for the mustangs.

Sorry if you felt like I misquoted you.

[WOS1]

Dude... what is with you? I don't think what I wrote is that hard to read, or are you just hell bent on picking a fight with me. If that's the case, just say so and we can start our debate. If it's not, then you need to try practicing some reading comprehension because you appear retarded. Yes, I did "mention" the finals but that's as far as it goes, again you left out everything before that.

"we made it to the Finals in spite of our offense"

I don't see how you could really interpret that to mean "we lost the state title game because of our offense". Most normal people would think it means exactly what it means, our journey to the finals, that journey included a 10-0 regular season and playoff wins over Jasper, Magnolia, Friendswood, LaMarque and Calallen. If you need any help with this just let me know.

"You said "arguably" and I argued it."

I have no problem with you arguing, but at least have the nutts to argue it without the weak ass, half quote.

"but this post implied the loss was because the mustang offense had a bad day"

Again, I do not see how this post could have "implied" anything about the championship. I didn't even write about it past mentioning that we got there. Dude.... :doh: :eek:

[Papa Smurf 05]

The Wing-T is VERY hard to defend. The beauty of the Wing-T is that you can run all sorts of plays that lokk exactly the same. For instance, you can trap, sweep, counter, and boot while your backfield more or less runs the exact same routes. It truly is poetry in motion lol.

[SintonFan]

I think Calallen roughed up WOS(the same goes for WOS doing the same to the CalCats) a little in the semis that year. It was a physical game. I wasn't at the game but listened to it on the radio. An instant classic.
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I was thinking about what you said WOS1 in an earlier post, "We do still run the spread, but until the last few games last year. We ran a wide open offense with a conservative mentality (old habits are hard to break). They don't work well together. Hopefully, our OC has learned how to run the offense now and we will see this year what it can do when used appropriately."
I believe, just for the sake of discussion, that yall running the spread late last year might be a sign of things to come for this year. With your coaches all back it looks like common sense to me. Now that you're in 3A, and on average having less talent to compete against, the spread can be awesome for yall. It's also fun to watch.
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I loved watching Sinton run the wing-t in the early 90's. Lots of misdirection...
Lots of precision blocking up front.
It was very hard to tell who had the ball most of the time.:cool:

[WOS1]

I hope you're right, I know I've got my fingers crossed. We've got plenty of skill people to make it work and our line is back in tact, so we'll see.

As for the Wing T, that's the only running offense I've ever seen WO-S have trouble defensing. Kerrville Tivy ran it in our semifinal game in 87 and they gave us fits. Cal Allen also gave us trouble in 2000 with it. If you have the line for it, it can be very effective.

[GS#17]

In 87, Tivy ran a regular T formation (3 backs behind the QB without a wingback), not a wing T. Like you said, though, the success of any formation really depends on the team's personnel.

[Stanley]

Originally posted by SintonFan
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I was thinking about what you said WOS1 in an earlier post, "We do still run the spread, but until the last few games last year. We ran a wide open offense with a conservative mentality (old habits are hard to break). They don't work well together. Hopefully, our OC has learned how to run the offense now and we will see this year what it can do when used appropriately."


Dude- How come you didn't rip SintonFan for using a "weak ass, half quote" ?
-Dude

[lobo12]

a few teams in our district started running the spread, pecos and ft. stockton do and i have seen greenwood run more of it than they used to. last year we started what you call the Briles spread. both run and pass.

[GS#17]

Stanley, is it alright if I start calling you "Curtis?" :eek:

[WOS1]

Originally posted by Stanley
Dude- How come you didn't rip SintonFan for using a "weak ass, half quote" ?
-Dude

Because it wasn't a "weak ass, half quote". He copied my paragraph verbatim (that means exactly the same). Also, he was not being antagonistic (that means trying to pick a fight).;)

...Dude!

[WOS1]

Originally posted by GS#17
Stanley, is it alright if I start calling you "Curtis?" :eek:

Oh, so that explains his problem... Don't be hatin on WO-S because your not half of what CT is.

[Stanley]

I wasn't hatin on WO-S... I was defending the WO-S offense that WOS1 called catatonic and terrible.

I looked up both words and the usage by WOS1 has a negative connotation.

[Supertilley]

These are the scores from 2000. Keep in mind the wo-s defense accounted for and advrage of 10 points per game. Not to mention 6 blanks. Ennis is the last score. As you can see that is the most we allowed that whole season. Only 131 points allowed in 16 games!





12-8 Ozen W

20-9 Jasper W

10-7 Bay City W

31-0 Lamar Cons. W

22-7 Central W

7-0 PN-G W

31-15 Lincoln W

21-10 Nederland W

14-0 T J W

53-0 MLC W

23-0 Jasper W

36-0 Magnoila W

27-10 Friendswood W

10-6 LaMarque W

27-21 Calallen W

24-38 Ennis L

[WOS1]

Originally posted by Stanley
I wasn't hatin on WO-S... I was defending the WO-S offense that WOS1 called catatonic and terrible.

I looked up both words and the usage by WOS1 has a negative connotation.

I'm so glad your getting at least part of my message. Keep in mind, I'm talking about the entire season, not the final.

[Stanley]

The offense scored 356 points that year in 16 games for an average of 22 points. They averaged almost 25 points during the playoffs.

In the Calallen game, WOS scored on the first play and had a great final drive to win the game.

I just didn't think the offense was terrible that year.

[GS#17]

Wrong... The team scored 368 points that year, and all of it wasn't the offense -- you're forgetting the points the defense and special teams put up. Plus, you're not taking into account several of our offensive scores were set up by the defense.

[WOS1]

Originally posted by Stanley
The offense scored 356 points that year in 16 games for an average of 22 points. They averaged almost 25 points during the playoffs.

In the Calallen game, WOS scored on the first play and had a great final drive to win the game.

I just didn't think the offense was terrible that year.

OK... since you brought it up, lets talk about the Calallen game. We did score on the first play, a 49 yard trick play. We also had a fumble return for a TD. In fact, for the game, we had 22 rushes for 33 yards, one of them was a 14 yard TD run so other than that one run, we had 7 yards on 21 carries which is dismal. For the day, our offense scored twice on normal plays and gained 228 yards. Not exactly what I would call stellar.

[D. R. Hooks]

Okay, I'm late to the party on this one.

Are we debating whether the WOS offensive sucked or not?:confused:




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[WOS1]

Stanley... here's a few more stats for you to chew on from our 2000 15-1 campaign:

2000 WO-S offense (16 games)

Points 311 - 19 ppg
Games gaining over 250 yards - 7
Games outgained by the opposition - 6
Games under 100 yards - 2
Avg yards per game- 225

Remember, many times this was with our defense giving us a short field.

2000- WO-S defense (16 games)

Points scored - 57 (4 ppg)
Points allowed - 131 (8 ppg)
Shut outs - 6
Held opposition under 10 - 11
Held opposition under 200 yards - 11
(These stats were achieved against both 4a Champions, and only 5 teams of the 16 did not make the playoffs)

Bottom line, our offense wasn't even mediocre, thank God for our defense...

[WOS1]

Originally posted by D. R. Hooks
Okay, I'm late to the party on this one.

Are we debating whether the WOS offensive sucked or not?:confused:




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Yes...:D

[mwynn05]

thr running game makes the spread work

[D. R. Hooks]

I only attended 2 games in 2000, and had to follow the rest via KOGT on the internet and box scores, but yes the offense was not representative of a team with 15 wins.

It was one the worst offensive teams we've ever had! Just good enough to get by the first 15 weeks....




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[Stanley]

The one stat that's being overlooked is that WOS played 16 games in 2000 and hasn't played an 11 game season since.

The WOS offense was good enough to keep from losing 15 games and played well week 16. That's Hook's philosophy. Put your best players on defense and make sure the offense doesn't lose the game. The formula worked pretty good.

A change in the offense in 2001, changed the philosophy. Now skill players must be split between offense and defense so we can try and win some games with a new offense.

I know lots of things in addition to the offense changed after 2000, but WOS didn't make the playoffs with the Ennis "O".

I can tell WOS1 is partial to the spread, but I guess what I'm saying is I could care less what offense is being run if you're playing 16 games.

[GS#17]

In 2003, the team averaged 23 points per game; in 2002, the team averaged 23.3 ppg; and in 2001, the team averaged 23.3 ppg. Oddly enough, in 2000, when the team went 15-1, the team averaged 23 ppg.

For what it's worth, I don't know how many of points came from the defense or special teams during 2001, 2002, or 2003; however, I don't know if it would make that much of a difference. It is noteworthy to mention WOS stopped running the spread as their primary offense after 2001 and reverted to an offense similar to what they had in 2000. In short, we haven't made it back to postseason play with or without the "Ennis-type" O. Skill players have always (or almost always) went both ways at WOS, so that shouldn't have been the problem. Apparently, the biggest difference to WOS' success since 2000 was not what was happening on the offensive side of the ball, which remained pretty much identical (scoring wise), but the absence of Coach Thompson's defense.

[Stanley]

I'll agree with that!

[WOS1]

Yes, I am partial to the spread because it is very dangerous when run right. We do not run the spread anymore as our primary offense but we do still run it a lot. We will also run out of the I and power I and sometimes an empty backfield. I like all of them, as I've said before, I like diversity. No matter what offense you are in, it will not work if you do not run it correctly or have the personnel. Until our last 3 games last year, our offense was still catatonic because we didn't have the line to run over most teams and we were not running the spread as it should be run.

The problem with making the playoffs the last 3 years is because our offense was still bad and our defense wasn't good enough to make up for it. Being in one of the toughest districts in the state didn't help either.

[sinton66]

Originally posted by Supertilley
Can someone help me out here. What exactly is the wing T? What does it consist of, as far as formation goes?

The wing-t (or slot-t) is a customized version of the straight T. It is pretty much the same except for where the backfield lines up. It uses two RB's set close to the QB and a wingback generally set up right behind the tackle and Tight End. There are a number of automatic options available to the QB. The wingback is used for motion plays. The offense hinges on a QB that has excellent ball handling skills. It also depends upon precise blocking schemes. Sinton's version under Gary Davenport employed what he called "Quick Tackle and Guards". The backside linemen would fire out and execute downfield blocking, which would enable RB cutbacks and such. As has been said before, when it's done right, it is beautiful. It is one of the few offenses which causes people in the STANDS to lose the ball.

[WOS1]

When we played Tivy, even though they ran a slightly different version of the Wing-t, that's one thing I distinctly remember was that you never knew where the ball was. That little QB was very good with his fakes.

[Supertilley]

This wouldn't happen to be the offense that CCC ran in 2000? Cause I lost the ball a few times in that game.

Also I don't know if you recall but when Nederland had that very fast running back Ross LaBove, what offence what that? I know they had that wrap around draw that made me lose the ball also.

You gotta bare with me. I went to a very small 1A school where all we ran was the "I" on O. And 5-2 on D.

[WOS1]

CCC ran a version of the Wing-T too.

[crabman]

George West ran the wing-T a few years back when Cuero played them. That was the most confusing thing I had ever seen. We ended up just tackling everybody. It was the only sure way to stop it. I am trying to remember that quarterbacks name. Boyea, I think. He ended up at Air Force. Maybe Old Green remembers.

[Old Green]

Yes it was Boyea. He was one of the best Qb's around with option.
George West Ran the Slot -T. Some called it the South Texas T. A very confusing offense. I Belief Port Isabel ran a version of this offense in 1994 against us also.

[espn1]

How does the Slot -T differ from the wing-t??

[sinton66]

They are basically the same, just called by different names. I think "Slot-T" is the proper name and "wing-t" is a common name.

[espn1]

Ok! Thanks!