A VERY early top 10

[Matthew328]

I know I am opening up a large can of worms here..but I was kickin around a potential top 10 and with what little I know right now here is what I was able to muster up...

DISCLAIMER: I reserve the right to change my top 10 in the very near future when more info becomes available! LOL

1. Burnet: the only question here is the running game..

2. Everman: gonna be good on the lines, if they can find a QB watch out...

3. Marlin: loaded this year...gotta prove they can win the big one though...

4. Forney: Baylen Laury will put up Blanton-like numbers this year...and Forney has a much better passing game than Blanton ever had...

5. Midland Greenwood: everyone is gunning for them now...can the Rangers play the role of hunted this year??

6. Commerce: it's an odd year..I've learned never to count them out..especially when 9-3 is considered a down year...

7. Rice Consolidated: returning just about everyone from a team that gave Bandera all they wanted in area..could be the team to beat in Reg 4 Div 2

8. Bellville: these guys just reload...will be in the thick of things in Reg 3 regardless of what Division they end up in..

9. Jasper: Marlon Cook is a HOSS...too much talent there for the Dawgs to not be the favorite in Div 1 Reg 3

10. Carthage: great backfield tandem of Beechman and Edwards...could be the sleeper in Region 2...

Well there ya have it..of course there is a list of the usual suspects who I imagine will be up there as well, Atlanta, Bridge City, Newton, Daingerfield, Sweetwater, Kennedale, Cameron Yoe, Gatesville, Mexia, Sinton, Pt Isabel, Barbers Hill, Abilene Wylie, Ballinger, Longview Spring Hill all of whom have a shot to be in the top 20..

Keep an eye on some of these emerging powers or sleeper teams, Decatur, Pilot Point, Gilmer, Texarkana Liberty-Eylau, Rusk, Diboll, Navasota and Wharton....

Just a little bit of info to get ya thinking..remember preseason previews and predictions are only about 2 months away!!!!

[Gobbla2001]

1.Burnet - Gotta stick 'em here...
2.Everman - Won the last two, what's stopping the next two?
3.Bellville - Cornfead and speedy...
4.M. Greenwood - They're starting a tradition...
5.Daingerfield - Have athletes and tradition, deadly combo...
6.Commerce - Commerce is Commerce, heard they're going to improve from last year, dunno though...
7.Rice Consolidated - Would like to rate them higher but the options are overflowing, gunna leave them here, expect them to grow in all rankings as the season goes on...
8.Longview Spring Hill - May be starting a tradition here as well...
9.Marlin - Would have ranked them in the top five but they're always this talented, they just can't get past the big game, they kinda remind me of Crockett and Newton (Newton after '98)... They're the best, biggest and fastest in the offseason but they're unheard of after three rounds... I hope Marlin can prove me wrong...
10.Jasper - Just being nice =)

People keep telling me to watch out for Sealy, so I'll take Sealy, Port Isabel (If I wasn't being nice to Jasper they'd be number 10)and Carthage (been hearing a lot about them as well) as my teams to watch...

[texcaj]

I am telling you, watch out for district 23-3A. Bellville is always strong. Sealy was just a game or two away from being there. Navasota is bringing almost everyone back, they only lost one sr on the o-line and one sr receiver. The defensive line will have to be rebuilt, but the talent is there. The great thing is, most of the guys are just going to be juniors!

[Bellville22]

I like it Matthew328. I agree w/ Navasota being a sleeper pick, they don't play pretty, but could get the job done.

This is a bit biased, but District 23 should be very interesting next year. A 3-team race between, Bellville, Sealy, and rising Navasota, with Columbus thrown in there just to cause problems. Bellville should be the favorite and shouldn't have too much of a problem getting a win in Columbus. They also shouldn't have a problem taking care of Sealy at home, even though the Tigers will be gunning for them. The game to circle will be Bellville at Navasota. The "Snakepit" is never kind to visiting teams, just ask Sealy last year. The feild is never in good shape, throw in any kind of weather, and you've got a disaster, which plays right in to Navasota's hands. They've got a big back who will just be a Jr. this year, and they can pound it away all night.
Sealy gets Navasota at home this year, so they'll be out for a little revenge. Bellville will be the most talented team, and will be the favorite to repeat, led once again by Dist. MVP Buenger. They should once again make a deep run into the playoffs, and dare I say it... meet up for another clash w/ Marlin (don't worry, when the time comes I'll take it one round at a time). But I don't think it would surprise me too much if Bellville, Sealy, and Navasota all ended up 4-1. Ofcourse Columbus can always play spoiler, they did this year and snuck into the playoffs.

Should be fun, I can't wait.

[Bulldog92]

Hey, Gobbla. Don't do us Jasper fans/players any favors. If you don't think we should be in the top 10, don't put us there. I'm not trying to be hostile, but it doesn't make sense to do that without a legitimate reason. We lost a lot of guys last year and it remains to be seen whether these new guys can step up. Our running game is solid with Cook, but the passing game could possibly drop off some with Patten. There are lots of questions to answer and I'm sure some of the other Jasper fans can go more into it than I have. Just be objective. That's all I want. Thanks man. :D

[Keith7]

How does pilot point get recognition but not Gainesville or Celina

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[jason]

yep

[Pudlugger]

My Top 10 teams in 2003
1.Forney
2.Everman
3.La Grange
4.Midland Greenwood
5.Marlin
6.Daingerfield
7.Jasper
8.Burnet
9.Commerce
10.Rice Consolidated

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[ThaRealBulldog]

Carthage will have an awsome offense coming back. The defense will be young but will have veteran leadership, watch for some of this years freshmen to step up(who went 10-0).

[c-town]

Thank you finally a little respect. Carthage is going to be ready next year. I think you have in about the right spot though. Until the defense proves itself.

[bc 76]

Wharton could be a surprise in region 4 they return alot talent & speed.Texas A&M head coach was in Wharton the other day looking at offseason workouts.The A&M head coach is looking at k heard 6-6 330 4.9,dt j.thompson 6-2 350,wr t ward 5-11 190 4.5,also liked what he saw in rb r hudson 5-10 175 4.3,d doggins wr 6-3 198 4.6,d edwards 6-3 260 4.8,lots of talent on this ballclub if you cannot win with this talent then its never going to happen?

[spaniard]

bc 76:
The A&M head coach is looking at k heard 6-6 330 4.9,no offense man, but i really dont think heard runs a 4.9, after watching him lug through the tunnel at the beginning of the game against us, i just dont see him running a 4.9. he was very slow off the line the whole game, especially against an undersized center like ours who was 5'9" in cleats on concrete and maybe 215. it also may be because he had been playing both ways the whole game, but i didnt see any quickness from him the whole game. now, i think that if he did run a 4.9, he would be a freakin hoss, but the image i got from the game was that he was just a hoss. hehe, not taking anything away from him, other than i dont think hes that fast, bc im sure he could lift up my truck and move it if he wanted a parking space. :D

[ThaRealBulldog]

Other teams to watch out of 16 AAA besides Carthage are, Rusk and Tatum. Chapel Hill had good JV and Freshman maybe they can fight for a playoff spot.

[Gobbla2001]

Just being nice is because if they weren't 10 they'd be 11, not much of a difference between 10 and 11... It was pretty much 'flip a coin' between these two, both were awesome this year and I've heard great things about Jasper's underclassmen... Either way they'll be tough... I respect your request, but if I was truely 'JUST' trying to be nice you would have most likely seen Cuero ranked #1...

[bc 76]

Kellen Heard does run a 4.9,but the problem with big kellen is that he has no dicipline and plays for a coach that will let him do anything he wants.I really think with some good coaching and dicipline kellen can be as good as anybody on that A&M defense,and i think Franchione knows that to.

[Gobbla2001]

Wharton? Are we being serious here... Saw them play Gonzales this year in the first round of the playoffs... Wharton should have won like, 120 to Zero, one of the most talented teams I have EVER seen, but they had to have also been the most undisciplined team I've ever seen... C'mon, jumping offsides 7 times on offense alone in the first quarter (there were defensive offsides as well)...

If there's a MAJOR, and I mean MAJOR attitude change in Wharton then I can see them doing damage, but just as easy as I CAN see them doing damage, it's easier for me to see them NOT getting that attitude change and NOT doing ANY damage...

What a waste of GREAT talent...

[exbccards76'smom]

Thanks for putting Bridge City in the "honorable mention" catagory. This is a rebuilding year for us, but always watch out for those "sleeper" teams. wink wink

[bobcat85]

Maybe not a top ten yet but how about a Fairfield team that returns 7 and 8 from a 11-2 team that played Bellville a good game in the third round.

[vet93]

I probably shouldn't even be posting because my knowledge is pretty limited outside of region I..but here goes nothing.

1. Burnet
2. Everman
3. Forney
4. Marlin
5. Daingerfield
6. Midland Greenwood
7. Rice Cons.
8. Carthage
9. Jasper
10. Decatur

[Chris Hart]

Guys, I know that Burnet returns alot of starters from last year's team, and are a legitimate choice for a top 10. But what I also know is that out of the 8 senior starters that won't be returning, 5 of them got scholarships( 4 Div. I, and 1 Div. II). I'm not saying these guys aren't replaceable, but what I am saying is Burnet will have a tough time being as good as they were last year. I'm just letting some people know, that are just penciling in Burnet as the #1 ranked team going in to 2003. If everything turns out great for the Bulldogs, then they should make another run, but the following 5 players will be HARD to replace.

Eddie Parker (1st team All-State Ol, Georgia Tech)
Mark Manning (1st team All-State DE, SMU)
Luke Pell ( 1st team All-District LB, Army)
Mason Templeton (1st team All-District TE/K, Arkansas)
Patrick Miller ( 1st team All-District RB, argueably the best RB in Burnet history 1800+yds,9.0 per rush attempt, Tarleton State)

3 other seniors will be gone also, so Burnet has alot of work to do before 2003.

[PPHSfan]

Hey Matt, don't forget that little bitty team from Celina, they still have a pretty impressive record of around 68-1 :p

[Pudlugger]

Not even a nod to La Grange Matthew?

7 All District players back, including:

Chase Anderle District 24 Offense MVP & 1st Team All District Qb 2nd Team Tri County Qb

Lance Shramm 1st Team TE 2nd Team DE and Tri County TE

Keith Krause 1st Team All District and Tri County MLB

Sam Gunn 1st Team All District and Tri County DB

Cody Wilson 2nd Team All District RB 1st Team All District Return Specialist

Antonio McKensie 2nd team All District DT

Chris Neiser 2nd Team All District DB

The Leopards are as loaded as any in your top 10. They will have 7 starters back on defense (including the entire secondary) and 5 on offense. There are several other outstanding players moving into key positions who had a lot of playing time in 2002. It seems that the talent pool in La Grange remains deep. Watch out for the Leps in 2003, they are going to surprise some teams next season.

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

I really didn't want to do this, but i'll put in my two cents here for who i'd put in my Top 10

Now, most importantly, if I leave someone out and you take offense, DON'T BITE MY HEAD OFF!!!!!

1. Burnet
2. Forney
3. Marlin
4. Bellville
5. Greenwood
6. Everman
7. Commerce
8. Rice Consolidated
9. Jasper
10.La Grange

Now fellow Tarpons, before you bite my head off.......there's a reason why I didn't put Port Isabel in the Top 10.

"Silence is Golden" my friends. :D You'll understand what I mean.

[Pudlugger]

TarponFanInNorthTexas:
I really didn't want to do this, but i'll put in my two cents here for who i'd put in my Top 10

Now, most importantly, if I leave someone out and you take offense, DON'T BITE MY HEAD OFF!!!!!

1. Burnet
2. Forney
3. Marlin
4. Bellville
5. Greenwood
6. Everman
7. Commerce
8. Rice Consolidated
9. Jasper
10.La Grange

Now fellow Tarpons, before you bite my head off.......there's a reason why I didn't put Port Isabel in the Top 10.

"Silence is Golden" my friends. :D You'll understand what I mean.Thanks for the nod TFINT. I have Port Isabel as the darkhorse in Region 4 D2. Their speed and depth should get them far in the playoffs next season.

[ThaRealBulldog]

TarponFanInNorthTexas, just wondering why no Carthage?

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

ThaRealBulldog:
TarponFanInNorthTexas, just wondering why no Carthage?Check your PM, my man.

[Chief Woodman]

Polls really do not mean much (certainly not this early)- Just ask the Red Wings in the NHL..........

[cunbed10]

I have a theory; Our Zip code here in Marlin in 76661, I am currently talking to the Postmaster and the President about changing our Zip, or at least dropping one of the 6's, the 3 6's are the reason we dropped the big games :D No but seriously people Last year we were'nt rank in the top ten and it was a motivational tool, so I'd rather the Bulldogs Not be ranked, that's a distraction for 16,17 and 18 year-old kids, and fans also, so since we can't seem to get to the big dance, even though we've had some great dancing shoes in the past, I'd rather the Bulldogs not be ranked loose two or three games in the months of Oct, Nov, but when December rolls around have a 5, or 6 Game winning streak and in Janurary everyone will Know the ranking of the Marlin Bulldogs, just like Rosebud-Lott Div 2 2A state champs located 12 miles away from Marlin so their Zip doesn't have 3 6's in it.

[Green Ranger]

Greenwood may be hunted this year, but so will Everman and the other ranked teams. I believe Greenwood can go deep again if they can avoid some injuries that plagued them this year. Dawson wilber is returning as well as Jeremy Audas. The line has some learning they can do but we have plenty of time for that. I believe the only thing that might cause I problem is the number of road games as Greenwood will only play to at Greenwood and one intown at Grande, this will make for a long season.

[Matthew328]

Sometimes the home and away thing can be overblown in high school, I don't think it'll be that big of a problem for the Rangers....trust me as an Everman fan being the hunted is a TOTALYY different ball game than being the hunter...I thought early in the season Everman didn't handle it too well..but after they lost to Kennedale they really turned it on..knowing you are the biggest game on everyone else's schedule can be tough...a great example of a team not handling the role of being the hunted is the 2000 Texarkana Liberty-Eylau squad...they won it all in 1999 and in 2000 had talent that was very similar yet they didn't even make the playoffs..

[crzyjournalist03]

I'll throw in my picks just for fun:

1. Forney: They lost only two games last year, one to a 4A state semifinalist, and the other to the 3A DI champions. The team returns most of its key players, and this will be the curtain call for 3A in Forney. If they don't take it this year, they may be the best city in 3A history to never win a title.
2. Burnet: They'll be a good team again this year.
3. Midland Greenwood: This will be the team that sneaks up on a lot of people this year.
4. Commerce: They should make a run at a title this year, even if they don't win one.
5. Carthage: Maybe the most underrated team of last year. They won't surprise anybody this year.
6. Everman: Forney finally conquers them in the playoffs this year, as Everman just doesn't have the same aura about the squad like they have the past two years.
7. Marlin: They're a very good team, but I just don't see them as better than anybody I have ranked higher.
8. Celina: These guys are good. Sure, they've only been 3A for a year, but they had an undefeated regular season. If their kicker figures things out, they could win a state championship.
9. Decatur: Don't know what they lost from last year, but they were a solid team all season long.
10. Sinton: I was originally going to put Jasper here, but Sinton fans have been nicer to me on this board.

[c-town]

You are my new best friend crzyjournalist. I am glad somebody paid attention to Carthage last year.

[qb12]

I agree with you too.

[PPHSfan]

I watched Carthage play Forney last year. I remember they had a Hoss Runningback. I think their best play was just to give it to him up the middle. It worked every time he got the ball. I don't know why they didn't just run that play every time. :D

[ThaRealBulldog]

cryjournalist looks like u know a thing or two

[c-town]

PPHSFan which one # 1 are 40 they are both hossses. 1 is shifty and 40 is booooooo like the moooose. They will both be back next year. 40 was just a somph. he is way stronger and faster now, we prob will just feed him next year. Do you think forney had a lot of luck, are do you think like them that they had it the whole time.

[PPHSfan]

40 is the Hoss I am speaking of. That kid was nothing short of friggin awesome. As to your other question... :p I think Forney made a great comeback to win the game. I felt bad for Carthage because they celebrated early, but you can't take anything away from Forney's QB for the way he refused to go down. It was probably the best game I saw last year.

[ThaRealBulldog]

#40, Beechum, was only a sophomore last season. He's really gonna wreck this season.

[qb12]

Celebrated too early, the only reason they one is because of sheer luck. we had him wrapped up in the backfield, then the 2ndary had stoped because they thought he was done and then they just ran a sandlot football play that was a long bomb....I think we out played them and deserved it way more.

[ThaRealBulldog]

Forney won tho, we didn't. We will have to beat up on those boys this year, there will be no miracles this time just a beating. Carthage goin to State!!!!

[PPHSfan]

qb12:
Celebrated too early, the only reason they one is because of sheer luck. we had him wrapped up in the backfield, then the 2ndary had stoped because they thought he was done and then they just ran a sandlot football play that was a long bomb....I think we out played them and deserved it way more.If you had outplayed them, you Would have won. Sheer Luck? I guess it takes a lot of luck and no skill to break away from four defenders and throw a 65 yard off balance pass. eek! Man I sure wish I could throw a sixty five yard pass with a running start. :rolleyes:

[qb12]

i can throw a 65yard pass, but one play might determine the ball game but that doesnt mean u didnt get outplayed

[PPHSfan]

When a game is won by four points or less. It will always come down to one play that made the difference. Just like the 70 yard run by #40 was just one play. Your theory does not hold water.

[ThaRealBulldog]

Carthage will be very tough next year. For one a awsome backfield coming back #40 Beechum and #1 Edwards. A good O-line back to open up the holes. The defense will be good, watch out for DT #63 Deramus. Some of this years freshmen who went undefeated should help out some #51 Sherman and #12 Lee. (thats me and qb12 but 4real we will be on varsity next year and will get playing time.)

[big daddy russ]

qb12:
...but one play might determine the ball game but that doesnt mean u didnt get outplayedOne play will never determine a ballgame. All the plays determine a ballgame. A team must first put itself in a position to make that game-winning play.

[big daddy russ]

...But it does look like Carthage is gonna be tough. What a showdown it would be if them and Forney met up in the playoffs again.

[Pudlugger]

So. I guess this thread is now just about Carthage and their loss to Forney last year.

Maybe we could talk about some other teams like Giddings, Elgin, Yoakum, Newton or Bandara or anyone else in Region III or IV for that matter. Region III and IV teams need some looks too.

[big daddy russ]

Hey Pudlugger, what does Giddings look like this year? I know last year was a down year and everyone went headhunting for the coach... does it look like the '03 campaign will be better?

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Pudlugger:
Maybe we could talk about some other teams like Giddings, Elgin, Yoakum, Newton or Bandara or anyone else in Region III or IV for that matter. Region III and IV teams need some looks too.I agree Pud, besides, it WAS a Region IV team that won the Div. 2 state title, and last I remember, Region 2 got shut out.

And to the Carthage people....."SILENCE IS GOLDEN". The more y'all talk big about yourselves, the bigger the target on your back becomes so you may want to consider toning it down some.

Now, down to business. Here are some Region IV teams that I think will have a good season. Starting from District 25.......

1. Burnet - No brainer here
2. Llano - Yes, I just said Llano. They gave Bandera A RUN FOR THEIR MONEY in Week 10, and will most likely use that as motivation for next season
3. La Vernia - The Bears are always good in district play, but somehow falter come playoff time. Who knows what'll happen next season.....
4. Cuero - A traditional power, the Gobblers' success will depend on how the kids respond to the new coach.
5. Altair Rice - The Raiders return nearly everyone from a team that gave Bandera ALL SORTS OF HELL in area. Good speed too.
6. Wharton - Have great athletes, but from what I understand from another thread, discipline is a huge problem, and will be a factor in their success.
7. CC West Oso - Have a HOSS for a RB returning that gave Yoakum all they wanted in the 3rd round last season. The Bears should do well again next season.
8. Sinton - Another traditional power that have dominated the last couple of seasons. I think the Pirates will still do well, but huge graduation losses won't help their cause.
9. Orange Grove - The Bulldogs came out of nowhere and shocked 32-3A runner-up Raymondville (who has twice the enrollment of OG) in bi-dsitrict last season, and also gave CC West Oso a good game. They return good numbers, especially in skill positions and will most likely repeat as 31-3A district champs.
10. Port Isabel - After several years of mediocrity, the Tarpons are back to their traditional form. The Tarpons return 8 offensive and 7 defensive starters from a team that gave the Div. 2 state champs Bandera A VERY GOOD GAME in the 3rd round.

If I had to put these in a Top 10 format, it would go something like this.

1. Burnet
2. Wharton
3. Altair Rice
4. Port Isabel
5. Sinton
6. CC West Oso
7. Orange Grove
8. La Vernia
9. Cuero
10.Llano

And, my list of teams that could "shock the world" include teams such as Luling, Sweeny, Hondo, Ingleside, Hebbronville, and Lyford.

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[spaniard]

llano may be a little better this next year, they will have a new head coach, and maybe for their sake they will have the team motivation. llano has had a long dry spell of unsuccessful seasons in football, and maybe this next year will be different. however, i think they will have a lot of trouble with a young wimberley team that had a great deal of talent last year with very inexperienced players. so look for wimberley to do better this coming year than they did last year. i have a good feeling our dawgs here in burnet will kick some serious butt again, and when we get our running game in order, very hard to stop. i think we open with reagan again this coming year, and that will be a tough one bc they will be out for blood from last years upset at home for them. but yeah, look for llano and wimberley to get 2nd and 3rd in district, bc liberty hill wont have much of anything bc ty winstead is graduating this year. hehe, man, offseason brings out the worst in me, august hurry up!!

[Pudlugger]

big daddy russ:
Hey Pudlugger, what does Giddings look like this year? I know last year was a down year and everyone went headhunting for the coach... does it look like the '03 campaign will be better?Well I'm a La Grange booster but let me give this a try. First, Giddings is always tough and the talent pool is deep in that town. Recent coaching changes interject a huge variable, which cost the Buff's a few games last year. Talentwise, the Buffs are returning 14 players from last years 3-8 squad. Guys to watch would be RB/QB Alexander, RB/LB Rogers and TE/DE Lehmann (an All District DE). They had a pretty good JV team which will undoubtedly contribute at the varsity level this coming season. I look for the Buffs to have a better year in 2003 under new leadership and go at least around 6-4 or 7-3 and make the play-offs as the 2nd or 3rd team from D24. :)

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[c-town]

How about:
1)Burnet
2)Everman
3)Carthage
4)Marlin
5)Rice Consolidated
6)Forney
7)Commerce
8)Jasper
9)Bellville
10)M. Greenwood

[the tigers are back]

Well i refuse to sit and watch all of the predictions on this year football ,but guess what we all have our on opinions ;and of course i agree with some of the pics,and i'm for sure that the SEALY TIGERS are gonna be in the race this year;and i'm :mad: praying that we go all the way,of course we all wants to be the champs after the dust settels down; RIGHT? Well the TIGERS have had to new guys come in one of them is a dt. 6-0 275 and very lean and not a fat slob and the other one is about 245 ot and of course, you know we are returning 9 offense and 9 defensives we are very excited about this year so all we need is to fill the cb spot and especially the qb spot we have a good one , but the starter last year is the coach son, but i really think he will be alright he is a great kid, and of course we all know that emeal andrus will be the rainbow of this team he's looking for the 2000 yds marker this yr, he had 1678 last year are plus;well only time will tell and surely 2 momths to full pads watch out.

[Bandera YaYa]

Hey, TarponFanInNorthTexas, love the way you said that all those teams gave Bandera what they wanted....you're sooooooooright!!! They gave us a State Championship!!!! You should see our State Championship rings, they are truly something to drool over...I have a great pic if you want to see!! Hey, good luck next year, I hope your #4 pick makes it there!!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr GoDogs!!

[Pudlugger]

Bandera YaYa:
Hey, TarponFanInNorthTexas, love the way you said that all those teams gave Bandera what they wanted....you're sooooooooright!!! They gave us a State Championship!!!! You should see our State Championship rings, they are truly something to drool over...I have a great pic if you want to see!! Hey, good luck next year, I hope your #4 pick makes it there!!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr GoDogs!!Good for you, YaYa! Those rings will always shine. Now, tell us about next season. How do the Bull Dogs look in 2003? :)

[Green Ranger]

Ya Ya, I am not saying you didn't beat Greenwood cause you did, it is as simple as that. However the question I would like to ask if there would be a rematch this year what would happen? I bet your rings are nice. Greenwood's Finalists rings arent to shabby. Yes it is nice to have gotten so far this last year, question is can you do it again this year? It would be ashame to read, State Champs dont make play-offs in the newspaper.

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Bandera YaYa:
Hey, TarponFanInNorthTexas, love the way you said that all those teams gave Bandera what they wanted....you're sooooooooright!!! They gave us a State Championship!!!! You should see our State Championship rings, they are truly something to drool over...I have a great pic if you want to see!! Hey, good luck next year, I hope your #4 pick makes it there!!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr GoDogs!!Time for an edit! Anyway, i'm content in knowing that those big heads in Bandera will come crashing down to ground zero from cloud nine. Especially now with the 20 some odd Seniors, AND Coach Williamson gone.

[Raider4ever]

TarponFanInNorthTexas:

If I had to put these in a Top 10 format, it would go something like this.

1. Burnet
2. Wharton
3. Altair Rice
4. Port Isabel
5. Sinton
6. CC West Oso
7. Orange Grove
8. La Vernia
9. Cuero
10.Llano

And, my list of teams that could "shock the world" include teams such as Luling, Sweeny, Hondo, Ingleside, Hebbronville, and Lyford.Wharton before Rice Raiders =( But thats ok.. I really can't wait for the season to start! Even tho it is a full summer away. I'm almost positive the Raiders will end up higher and seen more often on your "Top 10 polls" when the seasons starts. I expect the Raiders to run over alot of people this season and take that momentum into the playoffs and off to state we go. But yet I may be geting a little ahead of myself. We will just all have to wait and see. =)

[Brahma73]

the tigers are back:
Well i refuse to sit and watch all of the predictions on this year football ,but guess what we all have our on opinions ;and of course i agree with some of the pics,and i'm for sure that the SEALY TIGERS are gonna be in the race this year;and i'm :mad: praying that we go all the way,of course we all wants to be the champs after the dust settels down; RIGHT? Well the TIGERS have had to new guys come in one of them is a dt. 6-0 275 and very lean and not a fat slob and the other one is about 245 ot and of course, you know we are returning 9 offense and 9 defensives we are very excited about this year so all we need is to fill the cb spot and especially the qb spot we have a good one , but the starter last year is the coach son, but i really think he will be alright he is a great kid, and of course we all know that emeal andrus will be the rainbow of this team he's looking for the 2000 yds marker this yr, he had 1678 last year are plus;well only time will tell and surely 2 momths to full pads watch out.OK Bellville22, this one's for you. Don't make me wait for your response! :rolleyes:

[BULLDOGFAN]

Bandera in 2003 has even us locals wondering. Most likley we will not be the team we were this year. Bandera is not a football machine of mythic proportions churning out next years all star as many teams can be. In fact we may just be one of the greastest one hit wonders of all time. Third place finish, never being picked to win, and State Champion. It was a magical year that just happened to be.

Bandera 2003 State Champs....Leave it at that.

I find it hard to pick or predict on teams I know little too nothing about. That would be a disservice to the kid that is working his butt off everyday dreaming of that final date in December.

I do have my teams that I would love too see earn that Golden Ring. And these are those teams.

1. Midland Greenwood - By far the best team Bandera played man for man. The outrageous speed, youthfullness, and bone jarring hit's of that team both lost the game for them and at the same time left incredible lasting memories in Bandera's mind. When my son, the middle linebacker, left the field after the last defensive play he said "I hope that is the last football play I ever make", and it was. They were damn good and that Audas kid is going to be something else.

Gonna be tough to be the hunted.

2. Port Isabel - My Alma Mater. I grew up in the Dynasty Days of Port Isabel football. My family with four brothers had huge dreams coming out of that small coastal town in the late 70's and early 80'. Football and great coaches gave us the ability to dream and make something of ourselves. 25 years later my son's team ends their dream. I want it to be their turn now.

3. Altair Rice - The team that scared us the most. We had no idea what we were walking into. Time management won that game for us. Rice has incredible speed but no real strategy to their game. I see big things for them if the ball lands right.

4. Marlin - They screwed up, the hats should be righted and good coaching will take them to the promise land.

5. Daingerfield - Youth - Timing - and an awesome running back.

6. Bellville - A lot like Bandera. All of the tools and just waiting for the sun to shine on them. Big time quarterback coming back.,

7. Marlin - They are tired of being beat. Tradition has it's moments.

8. La Grange - Just a feeling.

9. Jasper - Just a feeling.

10. Carthage - This team ate what that Bandera player ate. The sleeper pick.

Honorable mention: Llano.

Big School pics.

Everman vs. Burnet. I want nothing else then for Burnet to win it once and for all. I think last year dealt them a bad card hand. Major injuries and a crucial hit in the first quarter against Everman. In Bandera we are in awe of our district mates. Would have loved for 25 - 3 A to have had two State Champs in 2003.

Betting on Burnet this year.....By 3 :)

[Brahma73]

BULLDOGFAN:
Bandera in 2003 has even us locals wondering. Most likley we will not be the team we were this year. Bandera is not a football machine of mythic proportions churning out next years all star as many teams can be. In fact we may just be one of the greastest one hit wonders of all time. Third place finish, never being picked to win, and State Champion. It was a magical year that just happened to be.

Bandera 2003 State Champs....Leave it at that.

I find it hard to pick or predict on teams I know little too nothing about. That would be a disservice to the kid that is working his butt off everyday dreaming of that final date in December.

I do have my teams that I would love too see earn that Golden Ring. And these are those teams.

1. Midland Greenwood - By far the best team Bandera played man for man. The outrageous speed, youthfullness, and bone jarring hit's of that team both lost the game for them and at the same time left incredible lasting memories in Bandera's mind. When my son, the middle linebacker, left the field after the last defensive play he said "I hope that is the last football play I ever make", and it was. They were damn good and that Audas kid is going to be something else.

Gonna be tough to be the hunted.

2. Port Isabel - My Alma Mater. I grew up in the Dynasty Days of Port Isabel football. My family with four brothers had huge dreams coming out of that small coastal town in the late 70's and early 80'. Football and great coaches gave us the ability to dream and make something of ourselves. 25 years later my son's team ends their dream. I want it to be their turn now.

3. Altair Rice - The team that scared us the most. We had no idea what we were walking into. Time management won that game for us. Rice has incredible speed but no real strategy to their game. I see big things for them if the ball lands right.

4. Marlin - They screwed up, the hats should be righted and good coaching will take them to the promise land.

5. Daingerfield - Youth - Timing - and an awesome running back.

6. Bellville - A lot like Bandera. All of the tools and just waiting for the sun to shine on them. Big time quarterback coming back.,

7. Marlin - They are tired of being beat. Tradition has it's moments.

8. La Grange - Just a feeling.

9. Jasper - Just a feeling.

10. Carthage - This team ate what that Bandera player ate. The sleeper pick.

Honorable mention: Llano.

Big School pics.

Everman vs. Burnet. I want nothing else then for Burnet to win it once and for all. I think last year dealt them a bad card hand. Major injuries and a crucial hit in the first quarter against Everman. In Bandera we are in awe of our district mates. Would have loved for 25 - 3 A to have had two State Champs in 2003.

Betting on Burnet this year.....By 3 :) Tremendous post, BDF! Well said. Good luck again next year. Albeit mysterious, you guys were the best and you fought like champions. Nice to see good guys win.

[Brahma73]

BULLDOGFAN:
Bandera in 2003 has even us locals wondering. Most likley we will not be the team we were this year. Bandera is not a football machine of mythic proportions churning out next years all star as many teams can be. In fact we may just be one of the greastest one hit wonders of all time. Third place finish, never being picked to win, and State Champion. It was a magical year that just happened to be.

Bandera 2003 State Champs....Leave it at that.

I find it hard to pick or predict on teams I know little too nothing about. That would be a disservice to the kid that is working his butt off everyday dreaming of that final date in December.

I do have my teams that I would love too see earn that Golden Ring. And these are those teams.

1. Midland Greenwood - By far the best team Bandera played man for man. The outrageous speed, youthfullness, and bone jarring hit's of that team both lost the game for them and at the same time left incredible lasting memories in Bandera's mind. When my son, the middle linebacker, left the field after the last defensive play he said "I hope that is the last football play I ever make", and it was. They were damn good and that Audas kid is going to be something else.

Gonna be tough to be the hunted.

2. Port Isabel - My Alma Mater. I grew up in the Dynasty Days of Port Isabel football. My family with four brothers had huge dreams coming out of that small coastal town in the late 70's and early 80'. Football and great coaches gave us the ability to dream and make something of ourselves. 25 years later my son's team ends their dream. I want it to be their turn now.

3. Altair Rice - The team that scared us the most. We had no idea what we were walking into. Time management won that game for us. Rice has incredible speed but no real strategy to their game. I see big things for them if the ball lands right.

4. Marlin - They screwed up, the hats should be righted and good coaching will take them to the promise land.

5. Daingerfield - Youth - Timing - and an awesome running back.

6. Bellville - A lot like Bandera. All of the tools and just waiting for the sun to shine on them. Big time quarterback coming back.,

7. Marlin - They are tired of being beat. Tradition has it's moments.

8. La Grange - Just a feeling.

9. Jasper - Just a feeling.

10. Carthage - This team ate what that Bandera player ate. The sleeper pick.

Honorable mention: Llano.

Big School pics.

Everman vs. Burnet. I want nothing else then for Burnet to win it once and for all. I think last year dealt them a bad card hand. Major injuries and a crucial hit in the first quarter against Everman. In Bandera we are in awe of our district mates. Would have loved for 25 - 3 A to have had two State Champs in 2003.

Betting on Burnet this year.....By 3 :) Tremendous post, BDF! Well said. Good luck again next year. Albeit mysterious, you guys were the best and you fought like champions. Nice to see good guys win. :)

[audasmom7]

I don't know what state rings that Greenwood person is talking about, I wasn't aware anyone got them. I know my son didn't want one, and who would want the 2nd place ring...lol And as far as Bandera doing it again maybe they will, maybe not, But what does it matter they won it all last year and that's what matters.And hey Bulldog fan I would like to see a picture of that state ring.
And maybe we will both get to the Big One again next year.

Lisa
proud ranger mom

[Bellville22]

the tigers are back:
Well i refuse to sit and watch all of the predictions on this year football ,but guess what we all have our on opinions ;and of course i agree with some of the pics,and i'm for sure that the SEALY TIGERS are gonna be in the race this year;and i'm :mad: praying that we go all the way,of course we all wants to be the champs after the dust settels down; RIGHT? Well the TIGERS have had to new guys come in one of them is a dt. 6-0 275 and very lean and not a fat slob and the other one is about 245 ot and of course, you know we are returning 9 offense and 9 defensives we are very excited about this year so all we need is to fill the cb spot and especially the qb spot we have a good one , but the starter last year is the coach son, but i really think he will be alright he is a great kid, and of course we all know that emeal andrus will be the rainbow of this team he's looking for the 2000 yds marker this yr, he had 1678 last year are plus;well only time will tell and surely 2 momths to full pads watch out.Thanks 73, I suppose I will field this one.

I've said it before, but this is truly an injustice to the English teachers in Sealy, I know they do a better job than this, I'm friends with some of them.

I'll start with the part of the message I agree with... the part where you said everyone has their opinion. You're absolutely right, and God bless us for being able to have one. I respect yours, believe me, I really do. Unfortunately it appears that, like me, not many people agree with it, as I've seen very few "Sealy"s in the Top 10s, and although this means nothing, most of these people, I've learned, know what they're talking about.

Do I think Sealy will be a good football team? You bet. I think they'll be a very good football team. But do I think they will be a serious contender? No way.

I've heard a little from friends in Tigerland about the new kids you have moving in. Sounds like they're pretty stout, and if I'm not mistaken, their dad is a coach, that's always a plus. It wouldn't surprise me if they're good, but I doubt they launch you into the "contender" role. You say you return 9 and 9. That sounds good... unfortunately, it's from a team that didn't even make the playoffs last year. You said you don't have a QB... that's a problem. You gotta be two-dimensional in the playoffs. I know the kid is still learning, he was a great TE, and probably still could be, but you're gonna need someone to throw the ball w/ confidence, Bellville had that this year for the first time in a while and look where it got us. Then there's Emeal. You called him the "rainbow" of the team. Is that a compliment? Does that mean the bright spot? Rainbows go up and down. Should I expect an up and down season from your bright spot? I know Emeal is a great back, but from what I saw the two times I watched him last year (Bellville, Navasota), I don't think he'll be the breakthrough that makes Sealy a top team.

Anyway, as you said, this is all opinion. I do know that it's gonna be a tough district. I worry more about the trip to Navasota than I do about the game with the Tigers, the Rattlers are a team on the rise. I'll take the Brahmas to win the district once again, and I'll take Buenger to defend his reign as District 23 MVP. And expect the Bulls to stay among those top 10s for a long time next year.

[Green Ranger]

Audasmom and others, the ring to which I was refering to is the original ring that was offered to them at the sports banquet by artcarved. Numerous kids have ordered them. A second ring has been offered and it is a little bit nicer with stones set in it. Regardless, 15-1 is nothing to be ashamed of at the same time a quote comes to mind from the Disney movie Cool Runnings. "If you aren't good without it, you will never be any good with it." Or something along those lines and I have no problem in saying that every Ranger who stepped onto that field is a Champion in my mind. Now on a more solemn note, A young man by the name of Jack and his family and high school needs your prayers. Jack is a member of the Harker Heights High School (4a), Friday he was in a run down and in the process of diving back broke his neck and has no movement from his chest down. I ask you keep him in your prayers.

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

[/QUOTE]Wharton before Rice Raiders =( But thats ok.QB][/QUOTE]

Hey, there wasn't any disrespect intended towards the Rice Raiders. I put Wharton over Rice just because it was a Div. 1, Div. 2 thing, that's all.

[Gobbla2001]

Wharton has all of the athletes they need... They have the speed and they have the size to win in 4A.. But they are not disciplined... I can't see them being in the top 10... I saw them play in the playoffs this season... All I could ask myself when leaving the game was 'why wasn't the score 100-0?'.. It wasn't even close, though they did win...

[Keith7]

Brahma73:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BULLDOGFAN:
[qb]Bandera in 2003 has even us locals wondering. Most likley we will not be the team we were this year. Bandera is not a football machine of mythic proportions churning out next years all star as many teams can be. In fact we may just be one of the greastest one hit wonders of all time. Third place finish, never being picked to win, and State Champion. It was a magical year that just happened to be.

Bandera 2003 State Champs....Leave it at that.

I find it hard to pick or predict on teams I know little too nothing about. That would be a disservice to the kid that is working his butt off everyday dreaming of that final date in December.

I do have my teams that I would love too see earn that Golden Ring. And these are those teams.

1. Midland Greenwood - By far the best team Bandera played man for man. The outrageous speed, youthfullness, and bone jarring hit's of that team both lost the game for them and at the same time left incredible lasting memories in Bandera's mind. When my son, the middle linebacker, left the field after the last defensive play he said "I hope that is the last football play I ever make", and it was. They were damn good and that Audas kid is going to be something else.

Gonna be tough to be the hunted.

2. Port Isabel - My Alma Mater. I grew up in the Dynasty Days of Port Isabel football. My family with four brothers had huge dreams coming out of that small coastal town in the late 70's and early 80'. Football and great coaches gave us the ability to dream and make something of ourselves. 25 years later my son's team ends their dream. I want it to be their turn now.

3. Altair Rice - The team that scared us the most. We had no idea what we were walking into. Time management won that game for us. Rice has incredible speed but no real strategy to their game. I see big things for them if the ball lands right.

4. Marlin - They screwed up, the hats should be righted and good coaching will take them to the promise land.

5. Daingerfield - Youth - Timing - and an awesome running back.

6. Bellville - A lot like Bandera. All of the tools and just waiting for the sun to shine on them. Big time quarterback coming back.,

7. Marlin - They are tired of being beat. Tradition has it's moments.

8. La Grange - Just a feeling.

9. Jasper - Just a feeling.

10. Carthage - This team ate what that Bandera player ate. The sleeper pick.

Honorable mention: Llano.

Big School pics.

Everman vs. Burnet. I want nothing else then for Burnet to win it once and for all. I think last year dealt them a bad card hand. Major injuries and a crucial hit in the first quarter against Everman. In Bandera we are in awe of our district mates. Would have loved for 25 - 3 A to have had two State Champs in 2003.

Betting on Burnet this year.....By 3 :) You keep mentioning Youth.. what HIGH SCHOOL team doesnt have Youth?

[PPHSfan]

Keith7:
You keep mentioning Youth.. what HIGH SCHOOL team doesnt have Youth?:D :p :D :p :D :p Now that is funny Keith.

[Bandera YaYa]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, YA'LL ARE SO SMART AND FUNNY .....(YOU KNOW WHAT BULLDOGFAN MEANT, OR MAYBE IT WAS OVER YOUR HEAD??) GOOD POST RICK!

RICK, SOME POOR GUYS JUST CAN'T GET OVER LAST YEAR, HUH??

THANKS LISA, I TOO BELIEVE EACH AND EVERY PLAYER ON THAT FIELD AT WACO WAS A TRUE CHAMPION..THEY CAN ALL TAKE PRIDE IN WHAT THEY ACCOMPLISHED!GOOD LUCK TO YA'LL NEXT YEAR...MY TIES TO BULLDOG FOOTBALL ALL GRADUATE THIS YEAR, SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT NEXT YEAR, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, THEY SURE DID IT RIGHT THIS YEAR!

[Old Cardinal]

I think there are a couple of good returning teams being over looked-1. Liberty is loaded next year. They are going to be a force to deal with next season. 2. Newton folks have been saying this next years team should be their best in many years. 3. Navasota, Canyon, Borger, Perryton, Cleveland might also be in the running in 3A ranks.

[Fletch]

Keith,

Your best post so far!

Fletch

[bd62]

R-4 favorive in d-1 has to be burnet. loaded.wharton is allways talented and still has plenty of playmakers. sinton will be in the hunt again.there program is outstanding.
r-4 d-2 favorite is rice c. only 5 seniors last year. very talented and good program. p.i. looks very strong with most of there players back. yoakum has 4 off. and 6 def. starters back.16 letterman.more size and speed than last year but will miss the strong senior leadership they had last year.good program so they will deal with that. west oso will be stronger and will be a force to reckon with. dont count out bandera.especially if they keep those assistants. very impressed with that coaching staff and there team last year.

[Gobbla2001]

Old Cardinal (not an attack or anything, don't want it to seem that way, but), don't you find it funny how every year during pre-season we read about Newton's 'best team ever'?

I wonder if they're serious this time (not an attack on Newton either, they're always good)..

[Bulldog92]

Gobbla2001:
Old Cardinal (not an attack or anything, don't want it to seem that way, but), don't you find it funny how every year during pre-season we read about Newton's 'best team ever'?

I wonder if they're serious this time (not an attack on Newton either, they're always good)..Hey...that all but guarantees another win for Jasper over Newton. Maybe this year all of our guys will be eligible and it will actually count. :rolleyes:

[Old Cardinal]

Gobbla, I was just going on what I heard a Coach say.....I do know they were young last year. Have you ever seen Newton play during the first half of the season? They are tough! It ought to be a better game against Jasper, for them, since Jasper graduated an extremely large Senior class.

[duckbutter]

I think we'll be okay this next yr. wink

[Pudlugger]

bd62:
...yoakum has 4 off. and 6 def. starters back.16 letterman.more size and speed than last year but will miss the strong senior leadership they had last year.good program so they will deal with that...Yoakum will be tough again it seems. That senior leadership you mentioned (Harrison Johnson and Boone)were really excellent football players. The Bulldogs just jumped all over La Grange in the season opener last year. This year the Leps host the Bulldogs in La Grange and will be looking to settle the score. The Leps are loaded with 8 defensive starters (5 All District)and 5 offensive starters (3 All District) back. This year La Grange will have the senior leadership with MVP Qb Chase Anderle leading the offense and Sam Gunn the defense. The OL will be bigger this year with two big juniors moving into starter roles at tackle who have tremendous potential. The remainder of the OL are seniors including two big TEs, Schramm (All District) and Stiffler.
Two of the many reasons the Leps have done so well the past several seasons are:
1) the strength training program at La Grange. This year's team looks like one of the strongest and should be very physical.
2) the discipline. This is central to the coaching philosophy. Some programs rely on outstanding athletic ability and are soft on discipline. Unfortunately, without discipline, these teams always seem to fissle in the playoffs and are often one hit wonders. The coaches know that it is better to develop the talent rather than cater to the natural gifts of a few elit athletes who walk through the door. A culture of discipline exists at La Grange starting in the 7th grade. The 18 seniors who will take the field are the ones who have dedicated themselves year in and year out to this ethic and to the team. They came out of a 7th grade group of about 45 kids who first put on the pads for two-a-days 5 years ago. Several of these kids were not the most likely prospects back then, yet they are the ones that succeeded while several more "talented" fell by the wayside. When you speak of "senior leadership" this is what comes to my mind. It is the heart and soul of a great football team. Yoakum is another team that develops talent and instills discipline in its players.

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[Gobbla2001]

That's why I stated that I wasn't bashing you or anything Old Card... I was just trying to get a little laugh... IT just humors me a little how I hear nothing but how Marlin, Newton and Crockett are too fast etc... for ANYONE in the state to stop them... I know they are always very good teams, but some day they have to win it or some day some of the fans (just so you know I realize that not all of them are this cocky) will have to settle with saying 'they're good enough to win it, maybe this is our year'... Not 'we're gunna win it, it's our year, no one can stop us bwah bwah'...

[the tigers are back]

emeal andrus of the sealy tigers 3a region 3 fastest in the 3a perhaps in all area 4.3 40yds.A senior nest year and jr. blue chip rb this year.

[PPHSfan]

What exactly are the qualifications for calling someone a blue chip? I did a search on Andrus on the insider and found nothing. Can someone tell me what it takes to be considered a blue chipper? I wanna make sure to get all of my boys "qualified". :D

[Old Cardinal]

QUESTION: Where did this Emeal Andrus place in this years State Track Meet, on the 100m? What was his time? Are you Emeal Andrus, that keeps writing all this stuff, about a team that has trouble making the playoffs from their District?

[turbostud]

He must be playin baseball. He wasnt even on the Sealy 4x100 relay team that scored a DNF at the state meet. Either that or he is to good to run track.

<small>[ May 15, 2003, 11:51 AM: Message edited by: turbostud ]</small>

[rholl]

He must be playin baseball. He wasnt even on the Sealy 4x100 relay team that scored a DNF at the state meet. Either that or he is to good to run track.

just learning...ignore this one!!!!!!