Snapshot Day is Coming

[SHSBulldog00]

October will be when we start collecting the ADM's from across the state.

Does anyone know the exact date?

The bottom of 4A could be 550 (early estimate)

How could this affect the current 4A D2?

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Early October will be when we start collecting the ADM's from across the state.

Does anyone know the exact date?

The bottom of 4A could be 550 (early estimate)

How could this affect the current 4A D2?

I know the 3 RGV area 4A D2 teams are all down in enrollment because of the pandemic (parents choosing to home school, kids transferring to IDEA schools). If that 550 cutoff estimate turns out to be accurate, then for sure Rio Hondo (turned in 550 last realignment) will be dropping down to 3A. Possibly even Raymondville, too. They had 575 last realignment if my memory serves me correct?

That would leave Port Isabel (675 last realignment) as the lone 4A DII team in the entire RGV and will be guaranteed a spot in a district with Coastal Bend area teams unless the Tarpons decide to opt up to 4A D1.

Now, I did ask around with some PI folks, and yes, Port Isabel's number will be down. But I doubt Port Isabel loses 125+ kids between last realignment and now even taking COVID-19 into consideration. Attendance at the high school on the first day of school was down by a very significant margin (word was that about 350 kids showed up) according to one person I spoke to. Many have since come back, but not all. I wouldn't be too surprised if Port Isabel is hovering right around the 600 mark this realignment. If they turn in something below 600 I'll be shocked. But still, I think Port Isabel will still be firmly in 4A D2 next realignment.

[stardog]

Snapshot day has usually been in the last week of October - maybe the last Friday in the past.

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Snapshot day has usually been in the last week of October - maybe the last Friday in the past.

I thought it was the 1st Monday of the last week of October, which would be the 25th? Maybe I'm wrong....

[stardog]

You may be right. I do think it's the last week of Oct.

[Scoop27]

I heard Oct, 27

[Matthew328]

Oct 29

[stardog]

The last week - Friday - Bingo !!!
I posted on Scoops Corner about 4A-1 - Any thoughts from anyone ?

[arges]

Early October will be when we start collecting the ADM's from across the state.

Does anyone know the exact date?

The bottom of 4A could be 550 (early estimate)

How could this affect the current 4A D2?

Things could get very interesting if the limit goes to 550. Rio Hondo, Mexia, Hillsboro, Orangefield, and Shepherd probably for sure. Possibly Hondo, Iowa Park, Sweeny, Crystal City, Devine and a few more surprises.

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Things could get very interesting if the limit goes to 550. Rio Hondo, Mexia, Hillsboro, Orangefield, and Shepherd probably for sure. Possibly Hondo, Iowa Park, Sweeny, Crystal City, Devine and a few more surprises.

I would be shocked if Rio Hondo doesn't drop to 3A.

[stardog]

Using TEA's enrollment #'s for the 20-21 school year and using grades 8 - 11 this is an estimate of 4A-2 Dist 16 snapshot #'s.
Rockport-Fulton - 998 should up to 4A-1
Robstown - 797
Sinton - 655
Ingleside - 648
Port Isabel - 644
Raymondville - 610
CC West Oso - 609
Rio Hondo - 541- may go 3A-1
X
Bishop - 580 may go up to 4A-2
Kingsville King - 884 may go down to 4A-2

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Using TEA's enrollment #'s for the 20-21 school year and using grades 8 - 11 this is an estimate of 4A-2 Dist 16 snapshot #'s.
Rockport-Fulton - 998 should up to 4A-1
Robstown - 797
Sinton - 655
Ingleside - 648
Port Isabel - 644
Raymondville - 610
CC West Oso - 609
Rio Hondo - 541- may go 3A-1
X
Bishop - 580 may go up to 4A-2
Kingsville King - 884 may go down to 4A-2

Interesting! But I've a feeling a few of these numbers are going to be a little bit lower than your estimate. Primary reason being these were numbers before the pandemic hit. I know enrollments, at least down in the RGV, are down across the entire region. I don't know about the rest of the state, but I'm sure others can provide their input?

However, assuming these numbers turn out to be good, or in the general ballpark of good, that leaves 8 4A DII teams in the Corpus/RGV area. Only difference being remove Rockport and Rio Hondo and replace with Bishop and Kingsville. So I wouldn't be surprised if there's another 8 team D16 4A Div. II for the 22-23 seasons.

Now, if there's a surprise somewhere out there other than possibly Kingsville dropping and Bishop possibly moving up that might split the district into two separate districts, I'm unsure who it could be, at least out of the Corpus area. One possibility is La Grulla dropping from D1 to D2. Rumor mill has it they're below 900 kids now. If the D1/D2 cutoff goes higher as predicted, that may very well drop the Lions into D2. I haven't heard anything yet about the other RGV area D1 teams (Hidalgo, La Grulla) in terms of enrollment numbers, but they are rumored to be down. Probably not down enough to drop them to D2, though.

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Ok, I'm using the same trick Stardog did, using the TEA website and I'm finding some really interesting things.

Again, this is an estimate using grades 8-11 for the 20-21 school year.

Rio Grande City Grulla (La Grulla HS) - 798
La Feria - 982
Hidalgo - 1024
Zapata - 1028
Lyford - 471
Progreso - 387 (no information available for their JH, so this number is grades 9, 10, and 11)

Looks like the info I was hearing about La Grulla is correct. They are likely to drop to 4A D2 this next realignment.

Also, forgive me in my previous post. I was having a massive brain fart and got La Feria & La Grulla mixed up. Intended to say La Grulla but ended up thinking La Feria and typed "Lions" instead of "Gators".

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Add Orange Grove to the list. Just checked their numbers through the TEA for Grades 8-11

Orange Grove - 565

Looking through a few more before I call it a night. I'm leaving off those that are obviously going to remain where they are, but will add those that may move up or on the bubble.

Lytle - 545
Llano - 542
Lago Vista - 589

[stardog]

These #'s are from TEA 20-21 school year (in the middle of this covid). It's dated Feb. 2021 but #'s probably came from begining of school year Fall of 2020.
For 4A-1 D-16 : Hidalgo-1024, Zapata-1028, La Feria-982, King-884, and Grulla-918 --- For Grulla was hard to figure out what middle schools fed to the high school.
Others mentioned I found --
Bishop - 580
Orange Grove - 542
Crystal City - 568
Llano - 542
Lago Vista - 589
Lyford - 471, It didn't show middle school
Progresso - I have 2 #'s 378 and 515

I've got all 4A-2 #'s I will list when (if) I have a chance.

[stardog]

Here is a summary :
Upcoming realignment for 22-23 football seasons. Using TEA's enrollment #'s for 20-21 school year and using grades 8-11.
.....Cutoff #'s last realignment (20) between 4A-1 & 2 we're 880/879.
The schools that were classified 4A-2 last realignment and opt up to 4A-1 were Fabens-680, Clint-740, Fort Stockton-750, Ht Scarborough-770, Ht Wheatley- 865, Ht Washington-870, Ht Worthing-885, Austin LBJ-885, Ht Yates-905, Ht Kashmere-915, and Clint Mt View-900.

.....Depending on realignment cutoff #'s between 4A-1 & 2 this time:
.....4A-1 schools in the bottom range that may go 4A-2 are WF Hirschi-924, RGC Grulla-918, Burkburnett-916, WC Columbia-900, Kingsville King-884, Gainesville-871.
.....4A-2 schools in the Top range that may go 4A-1 are Rockport-Fulton-998, Lub. Estacado-935, Mineral Wells-958, Celina-948, China Spring-909.
.....4A-2 schools in the bottom range that may go 3A-1 are (last cutoff between 4A-2 and 3A-1 was 515/514) -- Iowa Park-555, Hillsboro-555, Mexia-550, Hondo-541, Rio Hondo-541, Orangefield-540.

.....3A schools in the top range that may go to 4A-2 are Bishop-580, Lago Vista-589, Caldwell-554, Pottsboro-550, Orange Grove-545, Lytle-542, Lorena-540, Cleveland Tarkington-531.

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Stardog, with regard to La Grulla, they only have 1 Middle school that feeds into that HS, Grulla Middle School.

All the others (Ringgold & Veterans) feed into Rio Grande City HS

That’s how I got that # last night.

[SHSBulldog00]

I received word this morning Sweeny is in the 670 ish range.

That is a big jump from what others had told me. Looks like the Dog's will be staying 4A D2.

Any Neck fans know if Columbia will drop to D2? They were at 900 last realignment.

[sinfan75]

If Kingsville, Bishop and Orange Grove all come in to 4A D2 that could possibly send Sinton and Ingleside to a district with Cuero again.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

If Kingsville, Bishop and Orange Grove all come in to 4A D2 that could possibly send Sinton and Ingleside to a district with Cuero again.

For me that would be better, less travel time for me.

[SHSBulldog00]

I received word this morning Sweeny is in the 670 ish range.

That is a big jump from what others had told me. Looks like the Dog's will be staying 4A D2.

Any Neck fans know if Columbia will drop to D2? They were at 900 last realignment.

I have also seen online that Sweeny has 584 students based on COVID protocols, so I can't confirm either number.

[stardog]

Last realignment Columbia was 903 - estimate for this time is 900. That's 20 above last cutoff between 4A-1 & 2. Good chance they go 4A-2.

Sweeny last realignment was 568 - estimate for this time is 598. Should keep them 4A-2.

[Scoop27]

Didn't see Wharton's number but pretty sure the will remain in 4A Division II. They were dreaming that they would drop 3A Divisison I.

[stardog]

Wharton's #'s at 625.

[jason]

argyle apparently pushing 1200+.....

[arges]

argyle apparently pushing 1200+.....

Their website says they have 1339 as of 9/20/21.

[d0tc0m]

It's the end of Argyle's time in the 4A ranks. They will be 5A Div. II moving forward. The Eagles program is so good, though, that I think they'll be just fine in the bigger classification. They won't be the upper echelon as much as they have been, but they'll consistently compete and make deep playoff runs, no doubt.

[stardog]

Argyle's estimated #'s for snapshot is 1233. This was using enrollment for 8-11 grades school year 2020 - 2021. They may have a big growth for this school district.
I posted #'s for all 4A-1 on the Scoops Corner forum for each Region.

[Aesculus gilmus]

Gilmer High School's enrollment was reportedly 796 as of a few weeks ago. This is by far the largest number in school history.

What's ironic is that the city of Gilmer has only 4,843 residents, according to the 2020 Census, which is down from 2010's 4,905.

What explains the discrepancy is that Gilmer ISD covers about 30 percent of Upshur County.

https://www.niche.com/k12/d/gilmer-independent-school-district-tx/

[stardog]

Gilmer enrollment from TEA for 20-21 school year (8-11 grades) was 771.

[Aesculus gilmus]

Gilmer enrollment from TEA for 20-21 school year (8-11 grades) was 771.

Yeah, the explosion in enrollment growth began last year when the new high school opened.

Two years ago, enrollment was 705.
https://schools.texastribune.org/districts/gilmer-isd/gilmer-high-school/

[stardog]

Posted on Scoop's Corner Forum -
4A-2 realignment info. Will know for sure at end of October.

[Scoop27]

If snap shot day is Oct.29- how are yall coming up with the attendance numbers already?

[stardog]

Texas Education Agency has enrollment numbers for the last school year 2020-2021. I took enrollment numbers for 8, 9, 10, and 11th grades for each school from last school year to get these ' ESTIMATED ' numbers. Nearly all #'s are larger than last realignment #'s because last year's 8th grades (this year's Freshman) were larger than last year's out going Senior class.

Some will be less, some will be more depending on growth in a school district from people moving in or out. Of course don't know what effect this covid has had on enrollment.

[Twirling Time]

Celina has its TEA numbers from last spring, but the district gained 500 total students just over the summer and could gain 200 more before the snapshot, according to the superintendent. I expect Celina to report right at 1,000 this winter and by the next realignment they will be a whisker away from 5A.

(Not much will change for them because they'll join Anna, Melissa, Princeton, Lovejoy and maybe Argyle in 5A. They might get that long-awaited game against Denison before they drop to 4A, though.)

[SHSBulldog00]

Celina has its TEA numbers from last spring, but the district gained 500 total students just over the summer and could gain 200 more before the snapshot, according to the superintendent. I expect Celina to report right at 1,000 this winter and by the next realignment they will be a whisker away from 5A.

(Not much will change for them because they'll join Anna, Melissa, Princeton, Lovejoy and maybe Argyle in 5A. They might get that long-awaited game against Denison before they drop to 4A, though.)

I have heard that Celina could have 3000 by 2030.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

I have heard that Celina could have 3000 by 2030.Did i read or see that right about 3 high schools by then of 3000 students think it was a few days ago don't recall where i saw that at.

[arges]

They sure are building houses all over that fertile farmland up there. The new community college is going up down the street from where my niece lives. Her oldest daughter may start college there next year.

[d0tc0m]

Did i read or see that right about 3 high schools by then of 3000 students think it was a few days ago don't recall where i saw that at.

It's coming. I absolutely hate it, but it's coming and it's unavoidable. It happened to Frisco. Then Prosper. Celina is next. Gunter will follow. Everything is being swallowed up by the DFW Mega monster.

[Twirling Time]

Celina has publicly said they want to follow the McKinney ISD model. They don't have as many old people as McKinney has, though, so keeping a 5A school among 3 schools for almost 20 years will be harder.

If they follow the Prosper ISD growth timeline, they very well may be at 3,000 by 2030. I've heard they've already identified the site of HS #2 but haven't pinpointed it yet.

[stardog]

4A-1 and 4A-2 on Scoops Corner forum.

[stardog]

UIL has posted the newest policies for realignment on their webpage.
Schools can opt up but must declare when submitting enrollment #'s, not after.

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

UIL has posted the newest policies for realignment on their webpage.
Schools can opt up but must declare when submitting enrollment #'s, not after.

Interesting.

The only schools that I could see preemptively opting up are the Houston ISD schools. (Yates, Scarborough, Washington, etc.) The others across the state are usually in "wait & see" mode. But with the newer policies, they can't do that now.

[stardog]

CC Miller in previous realignments fell in 5A-2 classification but opt up to 5A-1 to to stay with other Corpus Christi schools. Last realignment CC Miller fell in 4A-1 classification and after seeing that Alice, Tuloso-Midway, CC Calallen, and PL Calhoun were going 4A-1 they decided to stay 4A-1 since this would make a local district. I think Miller will be a 5A-2 this time along with Alice and Calallen will be on the fence depending on the cutoff #'s the UIL comes up with.

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

CC Miller in previous realignments fell in 5A-2 classification but opt up to 5A-1 to to stay with other Corpus Christi schools. Last realignment CC Miller fell in 4A-1 classification and after seeing that Alice, Tuloso-Midway, CC Calallen, and PL Calhoun were going 4A-1 they decided to stay 4A-1 since this would make a local district. I think Miller will be a 5A-2 this time along with Alice and Calallen will be on the fence depending on the cutoff #'s the UIL comes up with.

Makes you think that there might already be some communication happening between coaches regarding enrollment numbers. Would make sense, since they have to make the decision to opt up on Snapshot Day rather than doing the ol' "wait & see" until Realignment Day.

[Matthew328]

If Miller is 5A CCISD will opt them up to D1 from what I've heard....it sucks because I think all CCISD schools would be D2 except for Vets

[arges]

Interesting.

The only schools that I could see preemptively opting up are the Houston ISD schools. (Yates, Scarborough, Washington, etc.) The others across the state are usually in "wait & see" mode. But with the newer policies, they can't do that now.

Laredo ISD and El Paso County usually NEED to opt up.

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Laredo ISD and El Paso County usually NEED to opt up.

Of course. I was speaking mainly for 4A schools. Laredo & El Paso’s problems are 5A/6A level problems.

[stardog]

All the big cities with multiple schools under one ISD opt up so to keep all their schools in the same classification - same district.

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

All the big cities with multiple schools under one ISD opt up so to keep all their schools in the same classification - same district.

I thought all of the Houston ISD schools had 4A D2 numbers, but chose to opt up to 4A D1. Was there one that has 4A D1 numbers last realignment? And if there was one or two with 4A D1 numbers, is there a chance they end up going 4A D2 which would essentially add a new district in 4A D2?

[stardog]

Last realignment Furr and North Forest were 4A-1, with Kashmere, Scarborough, Yates, Washington, Wheatley, and Worthing all fell in 4A-2 classification but opt up. Looks like Furr and N. Forest will still be 4A-1. Washington, Kashmere, and Yates could go either way depending on cutoff #'s. Wheatley and Worthing will be 4A-2. The 4A-2's opt up last two realignments and probably will again.

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Last realignment Furr and North Forest were 4A-1, with Kashmere, Scarborough, Yates, Washington, Wheatley, and Worthing all fell in 4A-2 classification but opt up. Looks like Furr and N. Forest will still be 4A-1. Washington, Kashmere, and Yates could go either way depending on cutoff #'s. Wheatley and Worthing will be 4A-2. The 4A-2's opt up last two realignments and probably will again.

Interesting. I had completely forgotten about Furr. The one I was aware of that had solid 4A D1 numbers was North Forest.

So am I correct in assuming the opt up is an HISD decision and not so much a decision of the AD/HFC at the schools in question?

[Matthew328]

Interesting. I had completely forgotten about Furr. The one I was aware of that had solid 4A D1 numbers was North Forest.

So am I correct in assuming the opt up is an HISD decision and not so much a decision of the AD/HFC at the schools in question?

Yes in Houston ISD thats a call made way above the campus level

[Matthew328]

Last realignment Furr and North Forest were 4A-1, with Kashmere, Scarborough, Yates, Washington, Wheatley, and Worthing all fell in 4A-2 classification but opt up. Looks like Furr and N. Forest will still be 4A-1. Washington, Kashmere, and Yates could go either way depending on cutoff #'s. Wheatley and Worthing will be 4A-2. The 4A-2's opt up last two realignments and probably will again.

The D2's didnt opt up in the realignment for 2018 and 2019...they did opt up this time....and will likely opt up for the 22-23 realignment

[arges]

Of course. I was speaking mainly for 4A schools. Laredo & El Paso’s problems are 5A/6A level problems.

What about Fabens and the Clint schools?

[arges]

Yes in Houston ISD thats a call made way above the campus level

Didn't the Dallas ISD do the same to their D2's?

[stardog]

Fabens, Clint, Mt View always opt up to 4A-1

[stardog]

Several San Antonio schools opt up from 5A-2 to 5A-1.
SA Kennedy and SA Houston opt up from 4A-1 to 5A-1

Austin Northeast opt up 4A-1 to 5A-2
Austin LBJ opt up 4A-2 to 4A-1

[arges]

Gonna be a strange realignment for sure. But the UIL will probably do what they want as usual.

[Matthew328]

Didn't the Dallas ISD do the same to their D2's?

Yes, but they allowed Madison to stay in 3A

[Matthew328]

Fabens, Clint, Mt View always opt up to 4A-1

Heard rumblings they are at least talking about not opting up this time

[Matthew328]

San Antonio Kennedy and San Antonio Memorial will not be opting up this time

[stardog]

Heard rumblings they are at least talking about not opting up this time
Going to be some long traveling ?

[Matthew328]

Going to be some long traveling ?

Pecos, Monahans and Ft Stockton aren't terrible trips....still not sure they'll do it but they are definitely discussing..the bigger impact will be on the 4A D1's who will either have to face travel to possibly Big Spring and points further east..or opt up to 5A

[stardog]

What 5A-2's will be moving to 4A-1 ?

[arges]

Melissa, Canyon Randall, Jacksonville, Argyle, both Edgewood schools, Lake Belton, Lake Dallas, and possibly El Paso Irvin, Sulphur Springs, Marble Falls and Floresville for starters.

[arges]

Melissa, Canyon Randall, Jacksonville, Argyle, both Edgewood schools, Lake Belton, Lake Dallas, and possibly El Paso Irvin, Sulphur Springs, Marble Falls and Floresville for starters.

Melissa and Argyle should be moving UP to 5A d2. Got a little mixed up.

[stardog]

Pecos, Monahans and Ft Stockton aren't terrible trips....still not sure they'll do it but they are definitely discussing..the bigger impact will be on the 4A D1's who will either have to face travel to possibly Big Spring and points further east..or opt up to 5A

What's Fort Stockton going to do ? Why did they opt up last realignment ?

[stardog]

Do all enrollment numbers have to be turned in on snapshot day or over a certain time frame of days ?

[Scoop27]

I think on Snapshot day on Oct. 29

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

With the strong possibility of current 16-4A D1 members La Grulla and Kingsville dropping to D2, do you think the remaining 3 members opt up to 5A, or remain in 4A and get put in a district with Calallen, et. al.?

Personally, I could see Hidalgo and La Feria opting up to 5A D2 for travel purposes, as most of their district games would be much closer. As for Zapata, I know in the past they've opted up to the biggest classification before and played with the Laredo schools. Do you think they do that again?

[Matthew328]

What's Fort Stockton going to do ? Why did they opt up last realignment ?

Fort Stockton won't opt up...they said travel was better in D1 which was why they opted up

[Matthew328]

Oct 29 is the deadline they can submit prior

[Matthew328]

With the strong possibility of current 16-4A D1 members La Grulla and Kingsville dropping to D2, do you think the remaining 3 members opt up to 5A, or remain in 4A and get put in a district with Calallen, et. al.?

Personally, I could see Hidalgo and La Feria opting up to 5A D2 for travel purposes, as most of their district games would be much closer. As for Zapata, I know in the past they've opted up to the biggest classification before and played with the Laredo schools. Do you think they do that again?

I could see Hidalgo and La Feria opting up for sure...it'd be a tough road for them either way.....no telling what Zapata will do getting any info out of there is a chore

[arges]

Could be a real mess if everyone keeps opting up. Time for this garbage to stop.

[stardog]

Who are new schools that will be all 4 grades ?

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

I could see Hidalgo and La Feria opting up for sure...it'd be a tough road for them either way.....no telling what Zapata will do getting any info out of there is a chore

So the options for Hidalgo and La Feria are: Remain 4A D1, get placed in a district with Coastal Bend teams, travel long distance just to get butts kicked badly. Or....opt up to 5A D2, be in a district with the likes of Mercedes & Edcouch-Elsa, get butts kicked, but at least they're much closer to home.

Decisions decisions.....

[stardog]

Port Isabel and Raymondville could opt up with Hidalgo, La Feria, and Zapata @ 4A-1.

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Port Isabel and Raymondville could opt up with Hidalgo, La Feria, and Zapata @ 4A-1.

That's also an option. But to my knowledge, I think both Port Isabel and Raymondville wish to stay in D2.

Besides, should La Grulla and Kingsville drop + Bishop move up from 3A to 4A D2, that makes a nice little 5-team district right there with Port Isabel, Raymondville, La Grulla, Bishop & Kingsville. Toss Robstown in there and that will make it 6 with an even split of RGV / Coastal Bend area teams.

[arges]

That's also an option. But to my knowledge, I think both Port Isabel and Raymondville wish to stay in D2.

Besides, should La Grulla and Kingsville drop + Bishop move up from 3A to 4A D2, that makes a nice little 5-team district right there with Port Isabel, Raymondville, La Grulla, Bishop & Kingsville. Toss Robstown in there and that will make it 6 with an even split of RGV / Coastal Bend area teams.

That would be a good option. Gonzales and Cuero could join Ingleside, Sinton and West Oso in a new district. Gonzales and Cuero were in a similar district in 66-68 with WO, Sinton, Robstown, FB, Beeville, Refugio and Pleasanton. The trip to West Oso was cancelled in 1967 due to their field being under 8 feet of water due to Hurricane Beulah. They let us out of school just as the storm hit. It was wet going home on those long country roads by school bus.

[Scoop27]

I was 13 years old in 1967

[Matthew328]

Who are new schools that will be all 4 grades ?

Dont know about new schools with all 4 grades but here's the new UIL 11man football schools who will be in a district in 2022

Richmond Randle
Lake Belton
San Antonio Davenport
San Antonio Pieper
Frisco Emerson
Katy Jordan
San Antonio Sotomayor
Canyon West Plains
Austin LASA
Frisco Panther Creek
Killeen Chapparal


These schools are re-joining UIL football

South San Antonio West
West Hardin
Cross Roads
Austin Eastside


These schools moving up from UIL sixman

Abilene TLC
Midland TLC

These schools are going the UIL from non-UIL leagues

Cedar Hill Newman
Cedar Hill TLC
Dallas Inspired Vision

[arges]

I was 13 years old in 1967

I was a freshmen.

[arges]

Dont know about new schools with all 4 grades but here's the new UIL 11man football schools who will be in a district in 2022

Richmond Randle
Lake Belton
San Antonio Davenport
San Antonio Pieper
Frisco Emerson
Katy Jordan
San Antonio Sotomayor
Canyon West Plains
Austin LASA
Frisco Panther Creek
Killeen Chapparal


These schools are re-joining UIL football

South San Antonio West
West Hardin
Cross Roads
Austin Eastside


These schools moving up from UIL sixman

Abilene TLC
Midland TLC

These schools are going the UIL from non-UIL leagues

Cedar Hill Newman
Cedar Hill TLC
Dallas Inspired Vision

What about Arlington Newman? They are playing in the same league football this year and they just joined Cedar Hill Newman on the Class 3A Academics listing.

[stardog]

If a lot of the schools that opt up last time stay 4A-2 this time, it could affect the cutoff #'s and keep some of the schools that look like they were going to 4A-2 at 4A-1.

[Matthew328]

Arlington Newman is not joining the UIL

[Scoop27]

Is Richmond Randle in the Lamar Consolidated ISD near Rosenberg area?

[Matthew328]

Is Richmond Randle in the Lamar Consolidated ISD near Rosenberg area?

yes it is...they'll likely be 4A-D1 to start but it'll be close...

[SHSBulldog00]

Dont know about new schools with all 4 grades but here's the new UIL 11man football schools who will be in a district in 2022

Richmond Randle
Lake Belton
San Antonio Davenport
San Antonio Pieper
Frisco Emerson
Katy Jordan
San Antonio Sotomayor
Canyon West Plains
Austin LASA
Frisco Panther Creek
Killeen Chapparal


These schools are re-joining UIL football

South San Antonio West
West Hardin
Cross Roads
Austin Eastside


These schools moving up from UIL sixman

Abilene TLC
Midland TLC

These schools are going the UIL from non-UIL leagues

Cedar Hill Newman
Cedar Hill TLC
Dallas Inspired Vision

Thank you for this great info Matt.

[stardog]

I looked up the new schools Mathew listed.
For Fall 2022 these schools start their 3rd year. Lake Belton, SA Davenport, Katy Jordan, and Austin LASA.
Schools starting their second year are Richmond Randall and SA Pieper.
New schools will be SA Sotomayor, Canyon West Plains, Frisco Panther Creek, and Killeen Chaparral.

When will schools compete for playoffs ?

[Matthew328]

I looked up the new schools Mathew listed.
For Fall 2022 these schools start their 3rd year. Lake Belton, SA Davenport, Katy Jordan, and Austin LASA.
Schools starting their second year are Richmond Randall and SA Pieper.
New schools will be SA Sotomayor, Canyon West Plains, Frisco Panther Creek, and Killeen Chaparral.

When will schools compete for playoffs ?

All the schools I listed to my knowledge are planning on joining a district and playing for varsity honors in 2022

[arges]

All the schools I listed to my knowledge are planning on joining a district and playing for varsity honors in 2022

Matt, is Keene going to play 3A ball or continue outlaw 6 man that they are doing this fall?

[Matthew328]

Matt, is Keene going to play 3A ball or continue outlaw 6 man that they are doing this fall?

Keene is planning on playing outlaw six man until 2024 before transitioning to eleven man with 2026 set as the date to join an 11man district...that timeline could be moved up based on participation numbers etc

[arges]

Keene is planning on playing outlaw six man until 2024 before transitioning to eleven man with 2026 set as the date to join an 11man district...that timeline could be moved up based on participation numbers etc

Thanks!

[Twirling Time]

Keene is planning on playing outlaw six man until 2024 before transitioning to eleven man with 2026 set as the date to join an 11man district...that timeline could be moved up based on participation numbers etc

I hope their seventh-graders are playing 11-man now to get ready.

[stardog]

Oct 29 is the deadline they can submit prior
From the UIL website :
The enrollment snapshot date is October 29, 2021. You will not be able to submit enrollments until the enrollment window is open on October 29. The deadline for submission of reclassification and realignment date will be November 5, 2021.

[SHSBulldog00]

What is the old cutoff numbers for D1 and D2?

[stardog]

what is the old cutoff numbers for d1 and d2?


5a-2: 1230 - 1921
4a-1: 1229 - 880
4a-2: 515 - 879
3a-1: 350 - 514

[SHSBulldog00]

5a-2: 1230 - 1921
4a-1: 1229 - 880
4a-2: 515 - 879
3a-1: 350 - 514

Thank you stardog

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

5a-2: 1230 - 1921
4a-1: 1229 - 880
4a-2: 515 - 879
3a-1: 350 - 514

If you had to make a semi educated guess, what do you think the cutoff numbers will look like this upcoming realignment?

[stardog]

[QUOTE=TarponFanInNorthTexas;1974686]If you had to make a semi educated guess, what do you think the cutoff numbers will look like this upcoming realignment?

For this realignment - Hard to say, or No telling, or Your quess is as good as any.
Lot of unknown factors involved. UIL policies for realignment has range of #'s on how many schools in each classification. About 15 new schools will be in districts this round. Matt indicates lot of schools that opt up last time will not this time. What affect has covid had on schools enrollments. Lot more home schooling ? What is a schools true enrollment ? Mention of a homeschool multiplayer for schools that allow home schoolers to participate in school activities. This is a proposal pending TEA commissioners approval. Lot of boom growth in some school districts. Some of big city school districts are rezoning for new schools and to balance out schools.
Maybe when we see actually #'s and what policies UIL will follow will give a better idea of the cutoff #'s.

[arges]

Definitely the cutoffs are gonna be iffy until the first December release. I think that 5A will be 1280-2280, 4A will be 550-1279, and 3A will be 240ish to 549 IMHO.

[stardog]

Past Conference Cutoff #-s
(with difference from previous)

2020-2021 & 2021-2022
6A --- 2220 - & above --- +30
5A --- 1230 - 2219 -------- +80 /+30
4A --- 515 - 1229 ---------- +10 /+80
3A --- 230 - 514 ------------ +5 /+10
2A --- 105 - 229 ------------ +0 /+5
1A --- 104.9 & below ---- +0

2018 -2019 & 2019-2020
6A --- 2190 & above --- +40
5A --- 1150 - 2189 ------ +50 /+40
4A --- 505 - 1149 -------- +25 /+50
3A --- 225 - 504 ---------- +4 /+25
2A --- 105 - 224 ---------- +0 /+4
1A --- 104.9 & below -- +0

2016-2017 & 2017-2018
6A --- 2150 & above --- +50
5A --- 1100 - 2149 ------ +40 /+50
4A --- 480 - 1099 -------- +15 /+40
3A --- 221 - 479 ---------- +1 /+15
2A --- 105 - 220 ---------- +0 /+1
1A --- 104.9 & below -- +0

2014-2015 & 2015-2016
6A --- 2100 & above --- +10
5A --- 1060 - 2099 ------ +55 /+10
4A --- 465 - 1059 -------- +15 /+55
3A --- 220 - 464 ---------- +20 /+15
2A --- 105 - 219 ---------- +94 /+119
1A --- 104.9 & below --- +5

[Scoop27]

What is the current 3A divisison 1 and division 2 numbers
Thanks
Mike

[stardog]

[QUOTE=Scoop27;1974693]What is the current 3A divisison 1 and division 2 numbers
Thanks
Mike

Cutoff's between 3A-1 and 3A-2 is 350/349.

[stardog]

Tomorrow !!!

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

My prediction for 4A: 530 - 1289

I have it going up, but not as high as 550 due to the pandemic and districts losing kids to home schooling.

[stardog]

There's something about a home school multiplier involved in schools that have homeschool students involved in school activities. Don't know what that's all about.

Also the UIL has a revision for the 2022-2024 R&R Policies and Procedures.

[Matthew328]

There's something about a home school multiplier involved in schools that have homeschool students involved in school activities. Don't know what that's all about.

Also the UIL has a revision for the 2022-2024 R&R Policies and Procedures.

If an ISD allows homeschool students to participate they have to multiply their snapshot # by 1.2

[SHSBulldog00]

This has got me thinking if schools in other states do the same thing and how often?

[SHSBulldog00]

Will Fort Bend ISD opt up FB Marshall and FB Willowridge if their numbers drop to 4A D1?

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

If an ISD allows homeschool students to participate they have to multiply their snapshot # by 1.2

Is there even a list of ISDs that allow homeschool students to participate in school activities?

[arges]

Most ISD's are not participating. I think most are waiting. The only schools I found online that may do this are Sulphur Springs and Commerce.

[Matthew328]

Will Fort Bend ISD opt up FB Marshall and FB Willowridge if their numbers drop to 4A D1?

Traditionally FBISD does not opt up. Marshall is over 1500 so they'll be 5A-D2

[stardog]

Tomorrow !!!

Today !

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Kingsville-912

Damn. I was hoping they would drop. Maybe they still do if the D1/D2 cutoff goes up a bit? I know it was 879 last time. Do we think it goes up past 910 though?

[Bull Butter]

Orange Grove turned in 557. Looks like they might be headed back to 4A

[Bull Butter]

Rockport-Fulton 930
Robstown 717
Ingleside 628
Sinton 625.5

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Rockport-Fulton 930
Robstown 717
Ingleside 628
Sinton 625.5

Keep 'em coming! Any word on Bishop yet?

[Matthew328]

Keep 'em coming! Any word on Bishop yet?

Major update on enrollments nearly 400 schools listed

https://www.texasfootball.com/static-page/?url=uil-realignment-snapshots

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Major update on enrollments nearly 400 schools listed

https://www.texasfootball.com/static-page/?url=uil-realignment-snapshots

Just saw the update. No Bishop, but saw some really interesting things coming out of the RGV that are basically confirming my suspicions. Expect numbers from the RGV schools to be down a bit.

Big example right here. Progreso last realignment, 503 (or 509? I forget) This realignment they just turned in 430.

Also, West Columbia and Sealy look to be dropping to D2.

[Matthew328]

Just saw the update. No Bishop, but saw some really interesting things coming out of the RGV that are basically confirming my suspicions. Expect numbers from the RGV schools to be down a bit.

Big example right here. Progreso last realignment, 503 (or 509? I forget) This realignment they just turned in 430.

Also, West Columbia and Sealy look to be dropping to D2.

Sealy is currently in D2

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Sealy is currently in D2

I thought they were D1. MY BAD!

[Matthew328]

Just did one final update.....next update will be late tonight

https://www.texasfootball.com/static-page/?url=uil-realignment-snapshots

[Scoop27]

I didn't see Wharton?

[Scoop27]

or Danbury or Van Vleck

[SHSBulldog00]

I didn't see Wharton?

Wharton turned in 613

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Well, we know what the 6A/5A cutoff is going to be now....thank you Highland Park for submitting your numbers today!

[Matthew328]

or Danbury or Van Vleck

It means they didnt send me their numbers

[Matthew328]

It means they didnt send me their numbers

Added a few more schools...close to 600 schools have submitted now

https://www.texasfootball.com/uil-realignment-snapshots/?ref=nav

[stardog]

Bishop 548
Calallen 1172

[Matthew328]

Just saw the update. No Bishop, but saw some really interesting things coming out of the RGV that are basically confirming my suspicions. Expect numbers from the RGV schools to be down a bit.

Big example right here. Progreso last realignment, 503 (or 509? I forget) This realignment they just turned in 430.

Also, West Columbia and Sealy look to be dropping to D2.

Bishop turned in 548.....it'll be in today's update

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Bishop turned in 548.....it'll be in today's update

Cool. Here’s hoping the cutoff is lower than your 550 prediction from a couple weeks ago.

Have there been any other South Texas / RGV turn-ins?

[Matthew328]

Cool. Here’s hoping the cutoff is lower than your 550 prediction from a couple weeks ago.

Have there been any other South Texas / RGV turn-ins?

No weekend is slow and I've been at games so haven't been hounding coaches for it

[SHSBulldog00]

Jarrell at 759

What kind of growth are they having. That is a big number for them from 520.

[Scoop27]

is Columbia that close to dropping down to division 2?

[Matthew328]

is Columbia that close to dropping down to division 2?

I dont think its close, they'll be D2

[Scoop27]

What about Boling dropping down to division 2 in Class 3A?

[SHSBulldog00]

The old cutoff for 4A split was 879/880

Columbia turned in 848


Boling should be 3A D2

Last split was 349/350

Boling has 335

[Scoop27]

Thanks

[Matthew328]

What about Boling dropping down to division 2 in Class 3A?

My guess would be yes but not sure

[arges]

Bishop turned in 548.....it'll be in today's update

Will there be an update tonight yet?

[Matthew328]

Minimal updates today but there were a few new schools added on Sunday

https://www.texasfootball.com/uil-realignment-snapshots/?ref=nav

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Port Isabel - 607

[Matthew328]

Port Isabel - 607

Over 800 schools now...notable Rio Hondo turned in 515 thats gonna drop them to 3A...hearing Raymondville may also have a borderline 3A number

https://www.texasfootball.com/uil-realignment-snapshots/?ref=nav

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Over 800 schools now...notable Rio Hondo turned in 515 thats gonna drop them to 3A...hearing Raymondville may also have a borderline 3A number

https://www.texasfootball.com/uil-realignment-snapshots/?ref=nav

Rio Hondo dropping to 3A was expected. Raymondville dropping would be a bit of a surprise.

Rio Grande City Grulla will be dropping to 4AD2 with 857. La Feria is close (923), but the D1/D2 cutoff would have to be 925 for them to drop. I don't think it goes up that high.

[SHSBulldog00]

Rio Hondo dropping to 3A was expected. Raymondville dropping would be a bit of a surprise.

What is the current range for the Bottom number trending 540?

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

What is the current range for the Bottom number trending 540?

It's definitely looking like 540 will be the 4A/3A cutoff. As for the D1/D2 cutoff, I'm still unsure. It was 879 last time. Assuming it goes up +25 to match the increase of the 4A/3A cutoff, that puts top of D2 at 904.

I could see top of D2 going as high as 914, but I don't think it goes any higher than that.

[SHSBulldog00]

It's definitely looking like 540 will be the 4A/3A cutoff. As for the D1/D2 cutoff, I'm still unsure. It was 879 last time. Assuming it goes up +25 to match the increase of the 4A/3A cutoff, that puts top of D2 at 904.

I could see top of D2 going as high as 914, but I don't think it goes any higher than that.

Still too early to be confident

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Still too early to be confident

Fair. Things can still change between now and the end of the week when most if not all numbers are made public.

I will say, though, I'm a little more confident on my 540 prediction than I am with my guess on the D1/D2 cutoff.

[Matthew328]

Fair. Things can still change between now and the end of the week when most if not all numbers are made public.

I will say, though, I'm a little more confident on my 540 prediction than I am with my guess on the D1/D2 cutoff.

Added about 50 more schools today

https://www.texasfootball.com/uil-realignment-snapshots/?ref=nav

[TarponFanInNorthTexas]

Added about 50 more schools today

https://www.texasfootball.com/uil-realignment-snapshots/?ref=nav

Still no Raymondville, but the trend of RGV area schools being down in numbers for the most part is continuing.

And I know this isn't 4A, but..... a currently unbeaten 32-6A Harlingen South looks like they'll be dropping to 5A D1.

[Scoop27]

Thanks for adding Van Vleck