Carthage

[coach]

Crazy story about Surratt and their football program. I hope it isn't true, but if it is he should never be able to work with kids again.

[sk1]

Where is the story?
I tried finding something online about him and do not see anything .

[coach]

https://www.panolawatchman.com/news/parent-files-lawsuit-against-carthage-isd-says-district-didn-t/article_0654e742-498e-11e8-adce-677dcec4fbdf.html

[Saggy Aggie]

A lot of he said she said. Surratt isn’t directly called out as being involved. Will be interesting to see how it plays out

[d0tc0m]

There's some kind of storm brewing out in Panola County.

[Aesculus gilmus]

There's some kind of storm brewing out in Panola County.

I can see how Suratt might suffer an Art Briles-style "guilt by association" outcome here.

Believe it or not, I hope not. I actually have always admired the guy and his program and I love the Buckeyes-Bulldogs rivalry.

[d0tc0m]

I can see how Suratt might suffer an Art Briles-style "guilt by association" outcome here.

Believe it or not, I hope not. I actually have always admired the guy and his program and I love the Buckeyes-Bulldogs rivalry.


If he had knowledge of this — and it's hard to see how he didn't — then it's not a mere guilt by association. Surratt is legally a mandated reporter. And if he failed to report this, then I just can't see a scenario where he keeps his job.

I'm sure we'll get more of the story in the coming days and weeks, as the facts start to come to light.

[Rocket Man]

Oh my wow wow!

[Dawgs]

Crazy story about Surratt and their football program. I hope it isn't true, but if it is he should never be able to work with kids again.

GTFOH. “Never work with kids again”? You have no freaking idea what he has done for kids in his community.

[Dawgs]

If he had knowledge of this — and it's hard to see how he didn't — then it's not a mere guilt by association. Surratt is legally a mandated reporter. And if he failed to report this, then I just can't see a scenario where he keeps his job.

I'm sure we'll get more of the story in the coming days and weeks, as the facts start to come to light.

Read the document. They told the mother to turn it over to the police. She did. Then the ball was dropped. This did not happen at school, and it was “he said, she said” at the time of he incident. This happened in April of 2016. Surratt probably should’ve done more (ie...suspend the player or some discipline). Man these lynch mobs in our society today are ridiculous. That was one side of the story. Not everything in that document has been proven in a court of law. The FBI was involved. If they would’ve thought the AD and Super had seen this video, then they would’ve acted. This is a civil matter now.

[d0tc0m]

Read the document. They told the mother to turn it over to the police. She did. Then the ball was dropped. This did not happen at school, and it was “he said, she said” at the time of he incident. This happened in April of 2016. Surratt probably should’ve done more (ie...suspend the player or some discipline). Man these lynch mobs in our society today are ridiculous. That was one side of the story. Not everything in that document has been proven in a court of law. The FBI was involved. If they would’ve thought the AD and Super had seen this video, then they would’ve acted. This is a civil matter now.


I read the document, thanks. If Surratt thought it was worth turning into the police — I'm paraphrasing you here, not quoting anything from the article — then how in the hell did he allow the young man to stay on the team? And, for what it's worth, simply telling a parent to take something to the police does not let a mandated reporter off the hook.

[Dawgs]

I’m not condoning what happened to the girl. Inexcusable. Things should’ve definitely been handled differently. But now with only one side of the story and all things not yet proven as fact, we are ready to burn the whole thing down? Tarnish a legendary coach? Let this play out. Hopefully the mother and daughter get the justice they are looking for, and find some closure. But let’s not start burning down Surratt and the athletic program without all the facts. This should’ve never escalated to this level.

[Dawgs]

I read the document, thanks. If Surratt thought it was worth turning into the police — I'm paraphrasing you here, not quoting anything from the article — then how in the hell did he allow the young man to stay on the team? And, for what it's worth, simply telling a parent to take something to the police does not let a mandated reporter off the hook.
The principle told the mother to turn it over to police. Like I said read the article. I didn’t say anywhere that Surratt told the mother anything. The young man was allowed to play because the whole thing was a fiasco. If they would’ve punished the kid it would probably be another lawsuit. I’m not defending the kid playing, but to act like it’s time for everybody’s head to roll is ridiculous.

[Matthew328]

This all comes down to Who Knew, When they Knew and what did they do? I will say IF there was an assistant coach spreading that video around then that is bad....real bad....because its hard for me to believe an assistant coach knew and others didnt know....its terrible for the girl and her family for sure....facts gotta play out but folks are going to be digging now....

[d0tc0m]

I’m not condoning what happened to the girl. Inexcusable. Things should’ve definitely been handled differently. But now with only one side of the story and all things not yet proven as fact, we are ready to burn the whole thing down? Tarnish a legendary coach? Let this play out. Hopefully the mother and daughter get the justice they are looking for, and find some closure. But let’s not start burning down Surratt and the athletic program without all the facts. This should’ve never escalated to this level.



Who's burning anything down? Where's the lynch mob? You'll notice in my post that I said that we'll know more about what happened in the coming days/weeks as the FACTS come to light. None of us have the power to tarnish the legacy of Surratt. We do, however, have the power to read the article, to read the lawsuit, and have conversation about the issue and develop opinions about what we feel should happen IF certain behavior or lack of action by certain parties is found to be true.

[Matthew328]

Another interesting layer that could complicate things is in a small town there are lots of connections....lots of intertwined paths etc....

[speedbump]

A lot of he said she said. Surratt isn’t directly called out as being involved. Will be interesting to see how it plays out

Being named in a lawsuit isn't being called out?

[bobcat1]

:1popcorn:

[Rocket Man]

:1popcorn:

I'll see your :1popcorn: and raise you one

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[waterboy]

I'll see your :1popcorn: and raise you one

:1popcorn::1popcorn:

I'll see your :1popcorn::1popcorn: and you one.

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[Bosqueville]

There’s some butt-puckering going on in Carthage right now... geez.

[regaleagle]

Sounds to me like there is enough knowledge and enough evidence against the star qb that he should never have been allowed to play last season. If true, then Carthage should be stripped of their title.....end of story. And this may actually happen when all is said and done. Evidently, the knowledge of a video of these two girls nude was seen by enough students that it became a big big ordeal. This kind of situation could not have escaped the knowledge and attention of the coaching staff and teachers.....which means the principal also had knowledge of the incident. Looks like a cover-up of all involved to me......trying to sweep the issue under the rug to save some hides. This is only my opinion from reading the story and using common sense to arrive at some very probable conclusions. The facts will come out, and then we will see who is guilty and who is exonerated from this incident. I don't think the plaintiffs will lose in this suit.....CISD better get ready to pucker up and take the hit.

[Dawgs]

Sounds to me like there is enough knowledge and enough evidence against the star qb that he should never have been allowed to play last season. If true, then Carthage should be stripped of their title.....end of story. And this may actually happen when all is said and done. Evidently, the knowledge of a video of these two girls nude was seen by enough students that it became a big big ordeal. This kind of situation could not have escaped the knowledge and attention of the coaching staff and teachers.....which means the principal also had knowledge of the incident. Looks like a cover-up of all involved to me......trying to sweep the issue under the rug to save some hides. This is only my opinion from reading the story and using common sense to arrive at some very probable conclusions. The facts will come out, and then we will see who is guilty and who is exonerated from this incident. I don't think the plaintiffs will lose in this suit.....CISD better get ready to pucker up and take the hit.

Stripped of their title? This is bigger than football, but that sounds silly.

[Saggy Aggie]

Being named in a lawsuit isn't being called out?

You missed the “involved” part. It’s not clear to me from the article why he would be named in the lawsuit. That is the only mention of Surratt.

I suppose the kid was allowed to play since he hadn’t been charged with any crime and it would be unfair to him to assume guilty until proven innocent.

I don’t see any evidence to say Surratt in particular did anything wrong. Not saying that evidence won’t come out eventually, but to date it hasn’t. I saw plenty about an assistant coach though.

[Saggy Aggie]

Sounds to me like there is enough knowledge and enough evidence against the star qb that he should never have been allowed to play last season. If true, then Carthage should be stripped of their title.....end of story. And this may actually happen when all is said and done. Evidently, the knowledge of a video of these two girls nude was seen by enough students that it became a big big ordeal. This kind of situation could not have escaped the knowledge and attention of the coaching staff and teachers.....which means the principal also had knowledge of the incident. Looks like a cover-up of all involved to me......trying to sweep the issue under the rug to save some hides. This is only my opinion from reading the story and using common sense to arrive at some very probable conclusions. The facts will come out, and then we will see who is guilty and who is exonerated from this incident. I don't think the plaintiffs will lose in this suit.....CISD better get ready to pucker up and take the hit.

What compelling evidence was there that proves the qb did this? I have seen nothing other than he said she said. Was he charged with a crime? Are we assuming guilty until proven innocent?

[Weebe]

What compelling evidence was there that proves the qb did this? I have seen nothing other than he said she said. Was he charged with a crime? Are we assuming guilty until proven innocent?

Actually, all you've heard is evidence that he did do it.

The other side is refusing to speak thus far in their defense.

[Bosqueville]

This right here..
“The FBI has collected forensic evidence to show that (the student) extensively distributed the video, converted for larger displays, hosted it on a file share platform, and took other actions over an extended time that increased viewership for the video," the lawsuit states.

[Aesculus gilmus]

Charlie Strong said it best. Four years later, it's pretty much over. What's hilarious is all the people blaming Russia. Americans did this to themselves. We didn't need any help from a foreign power to destroy ourselves from within.

https://fansided.com/2014/07/22/texas-charlie-strong-social-media-going-downfall-society/

[movethechain]

I believe Forrest Gump summed it up well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edmqTODMZC4

[Saggy Aggie]

This right here..
“The FBI has collected forensic evidence to show that (the student) extensively distributed the video, converted for larger displays, hosted it on a file share platform, and took other actions over an extended time that increased viewership for the video," the lawsuit states.

When did this information come out? Was the student charged with a crime?

[Dawgs]

When did this information come out? Was the student charged with a crime?
He wasn’t charged with a crime. His punishment was pre-trial diversion with no formal charges. It’s not a case of if he did it, it’s a case of two counts of Title IX violations and three violations under the 14th amendment for due process and equal protection. They want money from the school due to the fact that they feel like the school did not protect the young lady. The parent is suing for actual damages, compensatory damages, nominal damages, punitive damages, court and litigation costs, expert fees, attorneys' fees, statutory interest and injunctive relief.

Here is a better article that explains it better:
http://www.easttexasmatters.com/news/local-news/lawsuit-carthage-isd-didnt-act-when-quarterback-shared-nude-video-of-student-with-team-coach/1146709802?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_reaganroy

But there are a lot of things missing from what’s been published. It’s only telling one side, and trying to make it sound as bad as possible. And the tactic about trying to make it about football is very smart considering how successful Surratt and Carthage have been. There is already some unrest about Surratt’s salary, the emphasis that is put on winning, and our facilities.

[Saggy Aggie]

So if the alleged crimes were committed, why was the student not charged with a crime? Is the football program supposed to punish a student who has not been proven guilty much less charged with a crime?

[Dawgs]

So if the alleged crimes were committed, why was the student not charged with a crime? Is the football program supposed to punish a student who has not been proven guilty much less charged with a crime?

This is the issue. This is why a lot of people are waiting to see how this plays out. Not sure where I am at on this until the whole story is out. But obviously some people are ready to strip Carthage of everything we have ever won. Regardless to what happens this occurred before the said player was even on the varsity. Not sure why this took so long to come out. If you read this whole deal was playing out in March of 2017. That was last school year. This is much bigger than football, but unfortunately football was used to grab the headlines due to the success and polarizing nature of the Carthage program and our AD.

My question is why would the following things be in a lawsuit: #44, 99, and 100. Not sure what these have to do with the incident.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4448234-Redacted-Carthage-ISD-lawsuit.html#document/p1

It’s a terrible thing that happened, but trying to portray this as some huge cover up is a little far fetched for me. We will find out soon enough.

[ctown81]

Sounds to me like there is enough knowledge and enough evidence against the star qb that he should never have been allowed to play last season. If true, then Carthage should be stripped of their title.....end of story. And this may actually happen when all is said and done. Evidently, the knowledge of a video of these two girls nude was seen by enough students that it became a big big ordeal. This kind of situation could not have escaped the knowledge and attention of the coaching staff and teachers.....which means the principal also had knowledge of the incident. Looks like a cover-up of all involved to me......trying to sweep the issue under the rug to save some hides. This is only my opinion from reading the story and using common sense to arrive at some very probable conclusions. The facts will come out, and then we will see who is guilty and who is exonerated from this incident. I don't think the plaintiffs will lose in this suit.....CISD better get ready to pucker up and take the hit.

Im trying to fogutr out why Carthage shoild be stripped. The incident happened off campjs. How was CISD supposed to stop the spread of thr video? Once its on the net, its forever.

[rb585]

Is the football program supposed to punish a student who has not been proven guilty much less charged with a crime?

This line seriously makes me wonder if you ever played high school football.

[rb585]

Im trying to fogutr out why Carthage shoild be stripped. The incident happened off campjs. How was CISD supposed to stop the spread of thr video? Once its on the net, its forever.

Maybe you should first try to figure out the English language before you move on to more complicated reasoning.

[Saggy Aggie]

This line seriously makes me wonder if you ever played high school football.

I didn’t actually, but what does that have to do with anything? Is your job supposed to fire you because you’ve been accused of something and civilly sued but not been proven guilty? Anybody can accuse anybody of anything, doesn’t mean it’s true or not true.

I’m failing to understand why innocent until proven guilty does not apply here?

[ctown81]

Maybe you should first try to figure out the English language before you move on to more complicated reasoning.

Hope that post made you feel better. Be sure to have your mama give you a gold star. Good job!

[coach]

I talked with someone who is VERY close to situation. Here are some things that he told me.

1. He doesn't know exactly who the assistant coach is or was, but there is speculation that the assistant is no longer working for the district due to improper relations with another student.

2. Everyone who knew of the situation thought this had been dealt with and was shocked when the story broke.

3. He never said how much Surratt knew.

4.The family of the girl has had issues with the Athletic Department before over their son. He acted like they were entitled so maybe there is something there about 2 sides of the story.

5. He said when it happened the girl was 14 and when she found out she had been recorded she laughed about it and told him to delete the video. She thought he did and nothing was said until they started talking about at school. He thinks if the girl would have been older and more mature she probably would have realized how terrible this was and would have notified an adult as soon as it happened. He was not putting blame on the girl at all, he was just simply saying her innocence at 14 was a big part of it.

[waterboy]

At the very least, this whole incident was handled completely wrong, and at every level. If what's in the lawsuit is proven true, I believe charges need to be filed. This would fall under the child porn laws. I refuse to believe that this incident wasn't known about by the entire coaching staff. With today's social media, I can guarantee that word got around the campus quickly.

[Bosqueville]

My opinion is that it's silly to say they should have their championship stripped. But I will also say that if the coach simply says I was unaware, it makes me feel the same way I did about Briles. His defense was I had no idea. He's the captain of the ship and to say I was unaware is unacceptable. You can't just turn a blind eye on the social aspects of your program. I'm wondering if the QB is the stud QB that will be playing his senior year this fall? I will say, this happened at China Spring last year (kid was not in athletics). He shared some nudes of a 16 year old girl and guess what, he was arrested for distribution of child porn. Hopefully, the investigation will be done correctly because it sounds like this momma is not going to go away quietly.

[ctown81]

My opinion is that it's silly to say they should have their championship stripped. But I will also say that if the coach simply says I was unaware, it makes me feel the same way I did about Briles. His defense was I had no idea. He's the captain of the ship and to say I was unaware is unacceptable. You can't just turn a blind eye on the social aspects of your program. I'm wondering if the QB is the stud QB that will be playing his senior year this fall? I will say, this happened at China Spring last year (kid was not in athletics). He shared some nudes of a 16 year old girl and guess what, he was arrested for distribution of child porn. Hopefully, the investigation will be done correctly because it sounds like this momma is not going to go away quietly.

If the kid was not arrested and this happened off campus, what could Surratt really do about it? You can't punish a kid who was never charged. I'm no attorney but I imagine the Qb's family could potentially sue the district if that happened.

[Weebe]

If the kid was not arrested and this happened off campus, what could Surratt really do about it? You can't punish a kid who was never charged. I'm no attorney but I imagine the Qb's family could potentially sue the district if that happened.

There doesn't have to be an arrest for a school to take disciplinary action.

Also, there is the possibility that the DA's office was complicit in making this "go away" similar to what happened at Baylor.

[ctown81]

There doesn't have to be an arrest for a school to take disciplinary action.

Also, there is the possibility that the DA's office was complicit in making this "go away" similar to what happened at Baylor.

The coach definitely does have the option to punish but it's not required. I hope justice is served. I'm just speaking on the legal side of it now.

[Aesculus gilmus]

It's not too late to make the jump to the college ranks. He probably would have done well to go to the next level the same year Jeff Traylor did.

[Dawgs]

It's not too late to make the jump to the college ranks. He probably would have done well to go to the next level the same year Jeff Traylor did.

Unfortunately you are probably right. This just shows that Surratt has gotten too big for Carthage. We have won too much. Our facilities are too good. His salary is too much. When you win at this rate everybody is ready to assume you are dirty as soon as anything comes out. I hope he stays until retirement and Carthage is the winningest program in Texas history. He could easily win 10+ titles. But I just don’t see it. You can’t win this much in small town Texas without people trying to tear you down at 1st chance. He deserves better than this. I personally hope this thing cools off. People have their pound of flesh, and then he jumps to the college ranks. Go on 1 more run in 2018 and then step away. He won’t leave this year. He has too much competitor in him. This years team will take on his persona of them against the world. Wouldn’t want to see these boys in the playoffs.

For the record I don’t care what anybody says. Scott Surratt has been a pillar in this community the last 10+ years. He has given Carthage a common ground for us to come together regardless of our differences. He has run this program with integrity. He has made a huge difference in kids lives 100’s of times over. Our kids have always showed sportsmanship in wins and losses. They take their losses and learn from them. That’s what champions do. I kinda wish he wouldn’t have laid off teams in 2017, especially if he doesn’t coach next year (which is highly unlikely). People just don’t realize how many times Surratt coulda beat teams by 70 over the years. Always laid off teams. He could have set whatever offensive records he wanted to this year in 2017. 2017 was a culmination of his 11 years, and it was beautiful to watch. Hopefully this thing doesn’t bring it all to an end. We will see.

[Dawgs]

I’m still kinda laughing at Regal jumping out first sentence saying title should be stripped. Lol. Take it away. Everybody that played Carthage knows. Carthage played 2 games this year where they couldn’t name the score. Gilmer and LV. I know we only beat LE by 10, but you would’ve had to be there to understand. And it had very little to do with the QB tbh. He had pretty much 3 D1 receivers, and the number 1 RB in the state. Any game that was close this year was due to QB play tbh. So say what you want. That was one of the best teams in history. Especially in 4a (old 3a). Scored 742 points with starters playing usually 1 half. Put up 64 points in the 1st half of a 3rd round playoff game. Shut out a good team in the 4th round of the playoffs. Our freshman team got to play in the state championship game. Who does that?

Surratt, in his closing remarks, pointed to the 2017’s record: 16-0 season, outscoring opponents by 394 points, an offensive school record of 742 points, only giving up nine and a half points with starters on the field.

“The 2017 Carthage Bulldogs, by the numbers — we’re not going to compare it with the other five; we’d never do that, disrespecting the other teams, proud of all of them — but by the numbers, will go down as the best team in Carthage history,” he said.

[regaleagle]

You are missing the point, Dear Sir......it really does not matter how good the rest of the team was. It's a shame the entire school and those players on the team should take a hit for the indiscretions of the few guilty, but that is the way we operate in a free society......and that is exactly how the rules of the NCAA and the UIL operate also. I was merely pointing out this could be the end result for Carthage regarding this incident. Whether it was regaleagle or some other poster that wrote about this possibility......many readers and knowledgeable fans are very aware of this possible consequence. If it's not a big deal, then why would you post the above slamming me to deflect and protect your dear Carthage. I'm not the culprit here.......although I did allow myself to be ridiculed by some by simply posting an opinion that may turn out proven to be correct. I don't see any pats on the back for what has occurred at Carthage.......regardless of the success of the program or Coach Scott Surratt......including all of the talented players. Right is right and wrong is wrong as long as the day is long.......end of story. They don't call it a TEAM sport for nothing. The treatment of this entire issue by those culpable within CISD had a direct relatlionship with the Carthage football program......whether regarding only one player or not......it was done to protect the football program......not the basketball, baseball, or track program.....or the Carthage band program. Again.....this is only my opinion and you can take it for what it's worth......and have a big laugh if you like. To say this entire ordeal is unfortunate for the many in Carthage is a huge understatement.

[Dawgs]

You are missing the point, Dear Sir......it really does not matter how good the rest of the team was. It's a shame the entire school and those players on the team should take a hit for the indiscretions of the few guilty, but that is the way we operate in a free society......and that is exactly how the rules of the NCAA and the UIL operate also. I was merely pointing out this could be the end result for Carthage regarding this incident. Whether it was regaleagle or some other poster that wrote about this possibility......many readers and knowledgeable fans are very aware of this possible consequence. If it's not a big deal, then why would you post the above slamming me to deflect and protect your dear Carthage. I'm not the culprit here.......although I did allow myself to be ridiculed by some by simply posting an opinion that may turn out proven to be correct. I don't see any pats on the back for what has occurred at Carthage.......regardless of the success of the program or Coach Scott Surratt......including all of the talented players. Right is right and wrong is wrong as long as the day is long.......end of story. They don't call it a TEAM sport for nothing. The treatment of this entire issue by those culpable within CISD had a direct relatlionship with the Carthage football program......whether regarding only one player or not......it was done to protect the football program......not the basketball, baseball, or track program.....or the Carthage band program. Again.....this is only my opinion and you can take it for what it's worth......and have a big laugh if you like. To say this entire ordeal is unfortunate for the many in Carthage is a huge understatement.

Let’s just leave it at you don’t know what your taking about. You are quick to judge. You jumped on it as soon as you could saying “stripped of the title”. When have you ever known a team to be “stripped” of a title? Carthage did not play an ineligible player. As a matter of fact the said player was punished during the baseball season of 2017 (his sophomore year). The incident occurred in 2016. He missed baseball games last year. Had more punishment than that, but I don’t need to get onto it. What makes him “ineligible” in your eyes? People are taking a well written lawsuit by a talented lawyer and turning everything into fact. That was one side of the story. Like I said you don’t know what the heck your talking about.

[Dawgs]

And Regal the only reason “football” is mentioned is because they knew they would get the “shock and awe” factor. Dang sure worked on you along with many others. Kid is a better baseball player. In fact he is playing baseball now. They knew what they were doing. Gonna get the most $$ and the most results trying to throw football and Surratt under the bus due to the success of Carthage Football.

[regaleagle]

Well that sure clears up a few things in this moddled mess. But I guess the two teenage girls having a video of them nude distributed all over the place is a good reason for a lawsuit, regardless.....Huh? Especially since they couldn't even go to school without being in a hornets nest. All because of one "good athlete" at Carthage. No sympathies here for that player that has undergone so much "punishment". What if it was YOUR daughter that this random act of ridiculousness happened to and YOU were the parent? What would you say then? Two sides to every story is right.

[Dawgs]

Well that sure clears up a few things in this moddled mess. But I guess the two teenage girls having a video of them nude distributed all over the place is a good reason for a lawsuit, regardless.....Huh? Especially since they couldn't even go to school without being in a hornets nest. All because of one "good athlete" at Carthage. No sympathies here for that player that has undergone so much "punishment". What if it was YOUR daughter that this random act of ridiculousness happened to and YOU were the parent? What would you say then? Two sides to every story is right.

Like I said just leave it at you don’t know what you are talking about...get up on that high horse if you want. The kid made a terrible mistake. He has hopefully learned from that mistake. Tbh he is not that good of an athlete. And for the record there is 1 girls mother who filed the lawsuit. And no, it’s not a good lawsuit suing the school IMO. What could the school have done about it spreading?

[BwdLion73]

And Regal the only reason “football” is mentioned is because they knew they would get the “shock and awe” factor. Dang sure worked on you along with many others. Kid is a better baseball player. In fact he is playing baseball now. They knew what they were doing. Gonna get the most $$ and the most results trying to throw football and Surratt under the bus due to the success of Carthage Football.

:clap:

[Weebe]

I think stripping the title is meaningless.

This should be about the girls getting justice, not football.

That being said, if the assistant coach was a part of this and Surratt (and any other administrators) was aware of it and did nothing, then they all should be out of a jobs.

[bobcat1]

I think stripping the title is meaningless.

This should be about the girls getting justice, not football.

That being said, if the assistant coach was a part of this and Surratt (and any other administrators) was aware of it and did nothing, then they all should be out of a jobs.

I'll drink to that.

[duckhunter]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[duckhunter]

I think stripping the title is meaningless.

This should be about the girls getting justice, not football.

That being said, if the assistant coach was a part of this and Surratt (and any other administrators) was aware of it and did nothing, then they all should be out of a jobs.couldn't have said it any better

[d0tc0m]

I'll drink to that.


As will I.

[Dawgs]

I think stripping the title is meaningless.

This should be about the girls getting justice, not football.

That being said, if the assistant coach was a part of this and Surratt (and any other administrators) was aware of it and did nothing, then they all should be out of a jobs.

I agree. If an assistant coach was part of this and Surratt knew about that then I agree. Run them all off. But I’m telling you people were aware of the incident. Did they do enough? Probably not. But this lynch mob mentality of running them all off before both sides are out is kinda disturbing. It was exactly what one side wanted when they wrote that lawsuit.

[Weebe]

I agree. If an assistant coach was part of this and Surratt knew about that then I agree. Run them all off. But I’m telling you people were aware of the incident. Did they do enough? Probably not. But this lynch mob mentality of running them all off before both sides are out is kinda disturbing. It was exactly what one side wanted when they wrote that lawsuit.

Thus the reason I used the term "if."

[rb585]

If the kid was not arrested and this happened off campus, what could Surratt really do about it? You can't punish a kid who was never charged. I'm no attorney but I imagine the Qb's family could potentially sue the district if that happened.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.

Football coaches punish football players for EVERYTHING.

If there's a rumor that they were drinking, they can get punished.

If they were late for class, they can get punished.

If they mouthed off to another teacher, they can get punished.

That happens every freaking day in high school football in this state.

But apparently in your (and Saggy Aggy's) strange little world, you can't punish the star QB for sharing a clandestine recording you made of a naked sophomore unless the DA levels a charge.

:rolleyes:

[rb585]

I think stripping the title is meaningless.

This should be about the girls getting justice, not football.

That being said, if the assistant coach was a part of this and Surratt (and any other administrators) was aware of it and did nothing, then they all should be out of a jobs.

Bingo.

[Dawgs]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.

Football coaches punish football players for EVERYTHING.

If there's a rumor that they were drinking, they can get punished.

If they were late for class, they can get punished.

If they mouthed off to another teacher, they can get punished.

That happens every freaking day in high school football in this state.

But apparently in your (and Saggy Aggy's) strange little world, you can't punish the star QB for sharing a clandestine recording you made of a naked sophomore unless the DA levels a charge.

:rolleyes:

It happened during baseball season last year. He was punished. Missed playing time. Had to do extra conditioning as punishment. Obviously it wasn’t enough, but the kid was punished. Why would he be punished again the next school year during football season?

But I definetly agree. The football coach can discipline his players for pretty much anything.

[Dawgs]

Bingo.

Everybody loves this post. Honestly, I do too. But the problem is 98% of people that have an opinion on this topic are making it about football. How there was some big cover up for a JV quarterback.

[waterboy]

Everybody loves this post. Honestly, I do too. But the problem is 98% of people that have an opinion on this topic are making it about football. How there was some big cover up for a JV quarterback.

He was JV when it happened, but was varsity the next football season. No matter how you paint it, what the kid did was criminal under child pornography laws. The assistant coach that viewed it (supposedly) is no longer there but should still be charged. While Scott may not have had anything to do with it, and "thought" the issue had been taken care of, the problem is he knew about the incident. I'm not convicting anybody, and they will have their day in court, but the ball was dropped at every level until the feds stepped in. As a parent of two daughters myself, this would be unacceptable. Something should have been done right away. I likely would've been wearing an orange jumpsuit right now if this would've been one of my daughters.

[ctown81]

He was JV when it happened, but was varsity the next football season. No matter how you paint it, what the kid did was criminal under child pornography laws. The assistant coach that viewed it (supposedly) is no longer there but should still be charged. While Scott may not have had anything to do with it, and "thought" the issue had been taken care of, the problem is he knew about the incident. I'm not convicting anybody, and they will have their day in court, but the ball was dropped at every level until the feds stepped in. As a parent of two daughters myself, this would be unacceptable. Something should have been done right away. I likely would've been wearing an orange jumpsuit right now if this would've been one of my daughters.

I understand what you're saying and agree all should be punished but how could the school or head coach stop the spread of the video? The plantiffs feel CISD did not do enough to stop distribution of the video. As for the player, if it's denied, what can the coach really do? In order to make decisions like that you need definitive proof or you could be liable for suit.

[Weebe]

I understand what you're saying and agree all should be punished but how could the school or head coach stop the spread of the video? The plantiffs feel CISD did not do enough to stop distribution of the video. As for the player, if it's denied, what can the coach really do? In order to make decisions like that you need definitive proof or you could be liable for suit.

A parent may sue a school district under Title IX for student-to-student sexual harassment if severe, persistent and highly offensive sexual misconduct impedes a student’s access to the benefits of an education, and the school district, with actual knowledge of the harassment, acted unreasonably in failing to stop the misconduct.

[lostaussie]

Damn, I should check in more often in the off-season!!!

[cowboyandchrist]

Damn, I should check in more often in the off-season!!!

This is my 2 cents worth.
This has nothing to do with Coach Surratt or the football program.
No one from the school can give their side of what they did because of the law suit.
I can guarantee you as soon as coach Surratt was advised about the assistant coach passing on the video or picture, he was fired.
I am the father of a beautiful young lady and I would have filed charges, law suit, or what ever else I could have done when it happened.
Why was the suit filled two years latter, I don't know unless the statute of limitations was running out.
The kid was 15 years old and hopefully his dad beat the tar out of him and explained what the young lady was having to go through because of his stupid mistake.
I bet if you people on here would admit to it, your are glad they did not have I phones when you were 15 years old.
I pray for the young lady and her mother having to go through this terrible ordeal.
I feel like they will settle out of court, but money can never buy self esteem and the young lady will have to find away to deal with this tragedy.
I pray for the young man and his family because remember this God forgives, but he does not take away the punishment. The young man will have to live with this as it follows him through life.
God Bless and may his mercy and grace be with you all.

[panfan]

Who took the video? It sounds like he spread it around, but who took the original video?

[coach]

Who took the video? It sounds like he spread it around, but who took the original video?

The qb allegedly put his phone in the bathroom and filmed her getting dressed/taking a shower.


I have also heard that the assistant coach named is on paid leave right now for a related incident.

[waterboy]

I understand what you're saying and agree all should be punished but how could the school or head coach stop the spread of the video? The plantiffs feel CISD did not do enough to stop distribution of the video. As for the player, if it's denied, what can the coach really do? In order to make decisions like that you need definitive proof or you could be liable for suit.

The police department failed to take the allegation seriously enough to confiscate the phone in question and get the proof needed. Make no mistake about it, the police department could've and should've got a warrant with an allegation of this magnitude. The principal should've insisted that much because of the seriousness of the charge. I agree that the coaches' hands were tied because of the lack of actual proof. It's a chain of events where the ball was dropped repeatedly, leaving them in the situation they are in now. The parents of the young lady shouldn't have HAD to go to the feds for action.

[bearbear78]

He wasn’t charged with a crime. His punishment was pre-trial diversion with no formal charges. It’s not a case of if he did it, it’s a case of two counts of Title IX violations and three violations under the 14th amendment for due process and equal protection. They want money from the school due to the fact that they feel like the school did not protect the young lady. The parent is suing for actual damages, compensatory damages, nominal damages, punitive damages, court and litigation costs, expert fees, attorneys' fees, statutory interest and injunctive relief.

Here is a better article that explains it better:
http://www.easttexasmatters.com/news/local-news/lawsuit-carthage-isd-didnt-act-when-quarterback-shared-nude-video-of-student-with-team-coach/1146709802?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_reaganroy

But there are a lot of things missing from what’s been published. It’s only telling one side, and trying to make it sound as bad as possible. And the tactic about trying to make it about football is very smart considering how successful Surratt and Carthage have been. There is already some unrest about Surratt’s salary, the emphasis that is put on winning, and our facilities.
Had to have been charged to receive pre-trial diversion. May not have been arrested though. No opinions to give at this time regarding the incident but just wanted to give some info on that.

[Dawgs]

The qb allegedly put his phone in the bathroom and filmed her getting dressed/taking a shower.


I have also heard that the assistant coach named is on paid leave right now for a related incident.

Paid leave? Really?

[coach]

Paid leave? Really?


That's what I heard from a pretty reliable source.

[Saggy Aggie]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.

Football coaches punish football players for EVERYTHING.

If there's a rumor that they were drinking, they can get punished.

If they were late for class, they can get punished.

If they mouthed off to another teacher, they can get punished.

That happens every freaking day in high school football in this state.

But apparently in your (and Saggy Aggy's) strange little world, you can't punish the star QB for sharing a clandestine recording you made of a naked sophomore unless the DA levels a charge.

:rolleyes:

Being late for class or mouthing off to a teacher are facts, not up for debate. Students get punished for that all time in sports. I was more of a basketball guy in hs but our coaches did the same thing so not disagreeing there.

I don’t agree with punishing someone based on a rumor or some he said/she said. Anyone can accuse anyone of anything or start any rumor.

If it turns out there’s evidence of wrongdoing, I’m all for appropriate punishment - whatever that may be.

[oldtownag]

I want comment on this specific case. However, our teachers and coaches have enough to deal with educating our children. They should not be responsible for investigating and punishing crimes committed outside of school. We have a justice system set up to handle crime.

[lostaussie]

I want comment on this specific case. However, our teachers and coaches have enough to deal with educating our children. They should not be responsible for investigating and punishing crimes committed outside of school. We have a justice system set up to handle crime.

I agree with you 100% Right up until the coach watched the video and did nothing. I hope guilty parties get what's coming to them.

But I also hope this doesn't turn into a Coach Surratt witch Hunt.

[oldtownag]

I agree with you 100% Right up until the coach watched the video and did nothing. I hope guilty parties get what's coming to them.

But I also hope this doesn't turn into a Coach Surratt witch Hunt.

That would be commenting on this case. I agree that a coach that watched the video and did nothing is not acceptable.

[d0tc0m]

Not to jump ship on the previous topic, but, I saw last night that Chris Smith has left Carthage to join Riley Dodge's staff at SLC. He was a part of all of the Bulldogs' state championships, yes? With Surratt still in place, I can't imagine much instability. I'm sure he'll hire a good replacement. Just curious as to what kind of impact, if any, the Carthage faithful think this personnel loss will have.

[Dawgs]

Not to jump ship on the previous topic, but, I saw last night that Chris Smith has left Carthage to join Riley Dodge's staff at SLC. He was a part of all of the Bulldogs' state championships, yes? With Surratt still in place, I can't imagine much instability. I'm sure he'll hire a good replacement. Just curious as to what kind of impact, if any, the Carthage faithful think this personnel loss will have.

This has been in the works for a while. Smith was gone from 2014-2016. He was a quality control coach at Texas A&M. He is a great o-line coach. It’s a pretty big loss, but Carthage won a title without him. I think everybody is really happy for him. That is a great job, and another step towards being a big time HC one day. He will do well.

One person not mentioned enough is Darren Preston. Carthage DC. He will surely leave for a HC job one day too. Now that one will really sting IMO.

[waterboy]

Carthage will go through what Gilmer has gone through over the last few years, eventually. It's really hard to replace quality coaches. One coach here and there is not nearly as hard on continuity as losing several at a time like we have.