Pigskin Prep top 20

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Last years record - this years preseason power ranking.

1 4A - 4 Argyle (14-2) 176.52
2 4A - 10 Navasota (12-1) 176.28
3 4A - 9 Carthage (11-4) 175.53
4 4A - 7 Texarkana LE (12-2) 175.40
5 4A - 13 Waco La Vega (16-0) 175.34
6 4A - 3 Abilene Wylie (12-3) 175.33
7 4A - 13 Liberty Hill (10-3) 173.28
8 4A - 5 Kennedale (12-1) 169.64
9 4A - 13 China Spring (12-2) 168.62
10 4A - 8 Terrell (11-2) 168.56
11 4A - 3 Brownwood (11-3) 168.14
12 4A - 9 Kilgore (8-4) 163.03
13 4A - 6 Alvarado (9-3) 162.37
14 4A - 9 Henderson (7-3) 161.85
15 4A - 2 Andrews (10-2) 161.34
16 4A - 12 El Campo (9-4) 161.27
17 4A - 10 Silsbee (11-3) 161.26
18 4A - 12 Stafford (11-1) 161.24
19 4A - 5 Mineral Wells (10-3) 160.52
20 4A - 1 Levelland (7-5-1) 157.99

D-2

1 4A - 12 West Orange-Stark (15-1) 180.60
2 4A - 7 Gilmer (14-1) 172.05
3 4A - 15 Cuero (9-6) 171.00
4 4A - 5 Celina (15-1) 169.48
5 4A - 10 La Grange (7-4) 168.34
6 4A - 2 Sweetwater (12-1) 167.02
7 4A - 11 Bellville (11-3) 165.46
8 4A - 7 Atlanta (9-5) 165.22
9 4A - 10 Giddings (12-1) 165.19
10 4A - 7 Pittsburg (10-2) 164.44
11 4A - 3 Krum (8-6) 161.23
12 4A - 15 Wharton (8-4) 161.16
13 4A - 13 Geronimo Navarro (11-1) 160.31
14 4A - 7 Gladewater (5-6) 159.80
15 4A - 13 Wimberley (5-8) 159.10
16 4A - 3 Graham (5-6) 159.08
17 4A - 15 Sinton (12-1) 158.45
18 4A - 8 Jasper (7-5) 157.70
19 4A - 2 Monahans (7-5) 157.66
20 4A - 7 Texarkana P G (6-5) 156.61

[WOS87]

Ugh! We're rated above DI?

[regaleagle]

In the famous words of Clint Eastwood....."I reckon so". :crazy1:

[d0tc0m]

Ugh! We're rated above DI?


As you should be. Mustangs will be - probably - the most talented team in 4A this year. Doesn't necessarily mean a repeat. But I think it'd be a surprise to most if WOS isn't playing in Jerry's World in December.

[waterboy]

Wow. Gilmer goes from a weak district to a district that 5 teams in the top 20. Good deal! I like it!

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Last years record - this years preseason power ranking.

1 4A - 4 Argyle (14-2) 176.52
2 4A - 10 Navasota (12-1) 176.28
3 4A - 9 Carthage (11-4) 175.53
4 4A - 7 Texarkana LE (12-2) 175.40
5 4A - 13 Waco La Vega (16-0) 175.34
6 4A - 3 Abilene Wylie (12-3) 175.33
7 4A - 13 Liberty Hill (10-3) 173.28
8 4A - 5 Kennedale (12-1) 169.64
9 4A - 13 China Spring (12-2) 168.62
10 4A - 8 Terrell (11-2) 168.56
11 4A - 3 Brownwood (11-3) 168.14
12 4A - 9 Kilgore (8-4) 163.03
13 4A - 6 Alvarado (9-3) 162.37
14 4A - 9 Henderson (7-3) 161.85
15 4A - 2 Andrews (10-2) 161.34
16 4A - 12 El Campo (9-4) 161.27
17 4A - 10 Silsbee (11-3) 161.26
18 4A - 12 Stafford (11-1) 161.24
19 4A - 5 Mineral Wells (10-3) 160.52
20 4A - 1 Levelland (7-5-1) 157.99

D-2

1 4A - 12 West Orange-Stark (15-1) 180.60
2 4A - 7 Gilmer (14-1) 172.05
3 4A - 15 Cuero (9-6) 171.00
4 4A - 5 Celina (15-1) 169.48
5 4A - 10 La Grange (7-4) 168.34
6 4A - 2 Sweetwater (12-1) 167.02
7 4A - 11 Bellville (11-3) 165.46
8 4A - 7 Atlanta (9-5) 165.22
9 4A - 10 Giddings (12-1) 165.19
10 4A - 7 Pittsburg (10-2) 164.44
11 4A - 3 Krum (8-6) 161.23
12 4A - 15 Wharton (8-4) 161.16
13 4A - 13 Geronimo Navarro (11-1) 160.31
14 4A - 7 Gladewater (5-6) 159.80
15 4A - 13 Wimberley (5-8) 159.10
16 4A - 3 Graham (5-6) 159.08
17 4A - 15 Sinton (12-1) 158.45
18 4A - 8 Jasper (7-5) 157.70
19 4A - 2 Monahans (7-5) 157.66
20 4A - 7 Texarkana P G (6-5) 156.61wonder if being rank that low is with them knowing Ethan Owens is no longer in Sinton for his senior season. Will lose his production offensively but Sinton defense should be pretty good again next season. Offense still have some good returners and new upcoming talent.

[Rocket Man]

Hey!

Where's Robinson????????? :foul:

Oh wait, it's the top 20, not the top 120...........my bad, carry on y'all.....:D

[PurplePop]

wonder if being rank that low is with them knowing Ethan Owens is no longer in Sinton for his senior season. Will lose his production offensively but Sinton defense should be pretty good again next season. Offense still have some good returners and new upcoming talent.

That ranking is definitely too low for Sinton. District 7 looks like a fun district. I heard Owens went to Yoakum. It will be fun to see how Yoakum does in 3A with the Moore twins and Owens and a lot of other talent. Anyone see the 3A rankings?

[Aesculus gilmus]

Wow. Gilmer goes from a weak district to a district that 5 teams in the top 20. Good deal! I like it!

A very good team is not even going to make the playoffs. I am going to go ahead and vote Gladewater off the island. I think Pleasant Grove is a program on the definite upswing.

Of course, if the Bears ever would agree to come into the 21st century in terms of offense, I would reconsider that prediction.

On edit, I got to thinking about that Wing T that Pleasant Grove runs, which is also not exactly up-to-date. However, I think it fits their personnel. Gladewater, OTOH, usually has speed to burn and could successfully switch to an uptempo spread at any time. We saw how quickly Liberty-Eylau became a contender again after Steve
Wells installed the spread there.

[SaltySixes]

Last years record - this years preseason power ranking.

1 4A - 4 Argyle (14-2) 176.52
2 4A - 10 Navasota (12-1) 176.28
3 4A - 9 Carthage (11-4) 175.53
4 4A - 7 Texarkana LE (12-2) 175.40
5 4A - 13 Waco La Vega (16-0) 175.34
6 4A - 3 Abilene Wylie (12-3) 175.33
7 4A - 13 Liberty Hill (10-3) 173.28
8 4A - 5 Kennedale (12-1) 169.64
9 4A - 13 China Spring (12-2) 168.62
10 4A - 8 Terrell (11-2) 168.56
11 4A - 3 Brownwood (11-3) 168.14
12 4A - 9 Kilgore (8-4) 163.03
13 4A - 6 Alvarado (9-3) 162.37
14 4A - 9 Henderson (7-3) 161.85
15 4A - 2 Andrews (10-2) 161.34
16 4A - 12 El Campo (9-4) 161.27
17 4A - 10 Silsbee (11-3) 161.26
18 4A - 12 Stafford (11-1) 161.24
19 4A - 5 Mineral Wells (10-3) 160.52
20 4A - 1 Levelland (7-5-1) 157.99

D-2

1 4A - 12 West Orange-Stark (15-1) 180.60
2 4A - 7 Gilmer (14-1) 172.05
3 4A - 15 Cuero (9-6) 171.00
4 4A - 5 Celina (15-1) 169.48
5 4A - 10 La Grange (7-4) 168.34
6 4A - 2 Sweetwater (12-1) 167.02
7 4A - 11 Bellville (11-3) 165.46
8 4A - 7 Atlanta (9-5) 165.22
9 4A - 10 Giddings (12-1) 165.19
10 4A - 7 Pittsburg (10-2) 164.44
11 4A - 3 Krum (8-6) 161.23
12 4A - 15 Wharton (8-4) 161.16
13 4A - 13 Geronimo Navarro (11-1) 160.31
14 4A - 7 Gladewater (5-6) 159.80
15 4A - 13 Wimberley (5-8) 159.10
16 4A - 3 Graham (5-6) 159.08
17 4A - 15 Sinton (12-1) 158.45
18 4A - 8 Jasper (7-5) 157.70
19 4A - 2 Monahans (7-5) 157.66
20 4A - 7 Texarkana P G (6-5) 156.61


La Grange in top 5 again? Why?
But cool the Panthers are apparently the underdog against Giddings in the opener! Great to have some better competiition next year!

[Leopardfan201]

La Grange in top 5 again? Why?
But cool the Panthers are apparently the underdog against Giddings in the opener! Great to have some better competiition next year!

Bcs we return 14 to 15 starters add jk dobbins to the mix that's y

[SaltySixes]

Bcs we return 14 to 15 starters add jk dobbins to the mix that's y

Oh yea! JK dobbins, forgot about him lol ;) ... 1 on 11 football only got the leps 7 wins last year. I hope they fair better this time around.

[Rabid Cougar]

All you need to say is District 13.

[slingshot]

All you need to say is District 13.Very tough district. Now about that little disagreement we had about who was better between Wylie and Robinson in baseball...

[bobcat1]

Bcs we return 14 to 15 starters add jk dobbins to the mix that's y
I heard in a song there are a lot of nice girls there in LaGrange.

[Celina8]

Last years record - this years preseason power ranking.

1 4A - 4 Argyle (14-2) 176.52
2 4A - 10 Navasota (12-1) 176.28
3 4A - 9 Carthage (11-4) 175.53
4 4A - 7 Texarkana LE (12-2) 175.40
5 4A - 13 Waco La Vega (16-0) 175.34
6 4A - 3 Abilene Wylie (12-3) 175.33
7 4A - 13 Liberty Hill (10-3) 173.28
8 4A - 5 Kennedale (12-1) 169.64
9 4A - 13 China Spring (12-2) 168.62
10 4A - 8 Terrell (11-2) 168.56
11 4A - 3 Brownwood (11-3) 168.14
12 4A - 9 Kilgore (8-4) 163.03
13 4A - 6 Alvarado (9-3) 162.37
14 4A - 9 Henderson (7-3) 161.85
15 4A - 2 Andrews (10-2) 161.34
16 4A - 12 El Campo (9-4) 161.27
17 4A - 10 Silsbee (11-3) 161.26
18 4A - 12 Stafford (11-1) 161.24
19 4A - 5 Mineral Wells (10-3) 160.52
20 4A - 1 Levelland (7-5-1) 157.99

D-2

1 4A - 12 West Orange-Stark (15-1) 180.60
2 4A - 7 Gilmer (14-1) 172.05
3 4A - 15 Cuero (9-6) 171.00
4 4A - 5 Celina (15-1) 169.48
5 4A - 10 La Grange (7-4) 168.34
6 4A - 2 Sweetwater (12-1) 167.02
7 4A - 11 Bellville (11-3) 165.46
8 4A - 7 Atlanta (9-5) 165.22
9 4A - 10 Giddings (12-1) 165.19
10 4A - 7 Pittsburg (10-2) 164.44
11 4A - 3 Krum (8-6) 161.23
12 4A - 15 Wharton (8-4) 161.16
13 4A - 13 Geronimo Navarro (11-1) 160.31
14 4A - 7 Gladewater (5-6) 159.80
15 4A - 13 Wimberley (5-8) 159.10
16 4A - 3 Graham (5-6) 159.08
17 4A - 15 Sinton (12-1) 158.45
18 4A - 8 Jasper (7-5) 157.70
19 4A - 2 Monahans (7-5) 157.66
20 4A - 7 Texarkana P G (6-5) 156.61

Just curious but is Stephenville down this year as they are usually in the top 10 ?

[slingshot]

Suspect Ville will be way better than most think...

[Dawgs]

Just curious but is Stephenville down this year as they are usually in the top 10 ?
I am also curious about Ville. I know they had a disappointing season in 2015, but they have a top 5 tradition. I wouldn't expect them to be down too long. One of the biggest schools in D1. I will say that it is strange how the schools that drop down for the most part enjoy a ton of success in the first couple seasons, and then kinda blend in with the rest of the pack after that. Happened to both Henderson and Kilgore the same way it has happened to Ville. Both schools dropped down and had a ton of success. Still good teams, but not elite like you thought they would be after say the first 2 seasons in 4a (or old 3a).

[slingshot]

Ville had a coaching change and graduated/lost to transfer a lot of studs before last season. They ended up being very young at all key positions. The upside is those youngsters got a lot of playing time and will be much better this year. Would not surprise me at all to see them sneak past Brownwood for second in our district.

[Dawgs]

Ville had a coaching change and graduated/lost to transfer a lot of studs before last season. They ended up being very young at all key positions. The upside is those youngsters got a lot of playing time and will be much better this year. Would not surprise me at all to see them sneak past Brownwood for second in our district.
If I remember correctly Brownwood was very young last year, and 2016 is supposed to be the year. But they lost there coach so we will see. Wouldn't surprise me if Ville is very good next season. They never stay down long. Tough district you guys have over there. Should be a fun year.

[speedbump]

Stephenville was #27 with 3 O and 5 D returning among only 17 lettermen. I'm sure they will climb the ladder some as the season progresses.

[speedbump]

That ranking is definitely too low for Sinton. District 7 looks like a fun district. I heard Owens went to Yoakum. It will be fun to see how Yoakum does in 3A with the Moore twins and Owens and a lot of other talent. Anyone see the 3A rankings?

Yoakum was one spot above Hallettsville at #17. LaMarque was #9.

[Dawgs]

Stephenville was #27 with 3 O and 5 D returning among only 17 lettermen. I'm sure they will climb the ladder some as the season progresses.

What about the Ricebirds? What they got coming back?

[speedbump]

What about the Ricebirds? What they got coming back?

The Birds return most of their O and D lines. They could be as good as anybody in region 3 if they can find a back field.They had some good young players waiting for last years guys to graduate so I think they will be fine. Brutal non district schedule could say a lot. My personal opinion is that they will be better than 2015.

[Dawgs]

The Birds return most of their O and D lines. They could be as good as anybody in region 3 if they can find a back field.They had some good young players waiting for last years guys to graduate so I think they will be fine. Brutal non district schedule could say a lot. My personal opinion is that they will be better than 2015.

Good to hear. I expect nothing less from EC. Region 3 is gonna be stacked. Heck 4a D1 is stacked this year. I'm ready to get this thing kicked off. I have a feeling this is gonna be an awesome season.

[slingshot]

...Heck 4a D1 is stacked this year. I'm ready to get this thing kicked off. I have a feeling this is gonna be an awesome season.Yup.

[Celina8]

The Birds return most of their O and D lines. They could be as good as anybody in region 3 if they can find a back field.They had some good young players waiting for last years guys to graduate so I think they will be fine. Brutal non district schedule could say a lot. My personal opinion is that they will be better than 2015.


I will keep an eye out for EC as I am a strong beliver that football success begins in the trenches and when your returning most of your lineman on both sides of the ball....I imagine expectations are high for the Rice Bird fans!

[cowboyandchrist]

Carthage at number #3, I like it. What I like the most about this year, no clear cut favorites right out of the gate except for West Orange Stark. I believe East Texas will be loaded again with contenders. Carthage, Kilgore, Texarkana LE, and Gilmer just to name a few. I am ready, LETS GO Dawgs, I see the clouds forming in the distance. The storm is coming again.

[Dawgs]

Carthage at number #3, I like it. What I like the most about this year, no clear cut favorites right out of the gate except for West Orange Stark. I believe East Texas will be loaded again with contenders. Carthage, Kilgore, Texarkana LE, and Gilmer just to name a few. I am ready, LETS GO Dawgs, I see the clouds forming in the distance. The storm is coming again.

Hahaha. You are the man C&C. Let's see if we can find a QB and some offensive and defensive lineman before we get too crazy with the homerism. I am there with you, but we got some work to do in pre-district. If we find some hog mollies, to go along with all the skill positions we are going to be a top 3 team in the state D1 or D2, but we can't be sure yet. As far as East Texas being loaded I agree, but things have changed over the last 3-4 years in the 4a landscape. #bEastTexas is still playing at a very high level, but the rest of the state has really stepped up. Playing big time ball all over the state. The Waco area and district 13 is big time out in Region 4. North Texas and Region 2 has some good teams. Wylie, Ville, Brownwood, and Alvardao are there in Region 1. This is the most parity we have seen in a long time. It has been building slowly over the last 3-4 years, but the days of Region 2 & 3 dominating is over for now.

[Dawgs]

I will keep an eye out for EC as I am a strong beliver that football success begins in the trenches and when your returning most of your lineman on both sides of the ball....I imagine expectations are high for the Rice Bird fans!
Yep. The years Carthage won it all we had the arguably the best O-Line in the state. When you win the battle up front it's amazing how well everything else seems to work itself out.

[regaleagle]

Argyle has been moved to Region I in D1 now. I guess LE will rule in Region II D1 now, huh? They've been on the doorstep banging hard the past two seasons anyways.

[Dawgs]

Argyle has been moved to Region I in D1 now. I guess LE will rule in Region II D1 now, huh? They've been on the doorstep banging hard the past two seasons anyways.

Dang I did not realize that. So Argyle is in Region 1 now? Has Argyle ever been in R1 prior to now?

LE will have to prove to be a more consistent program before I am ready to crown them as one of the top programs, and ready to rule over a region. They had a nice playoff run in 2014 and a nice season in 2015, but they have been very inconsistent the last 10 years or so.

[Dawgs]

I sure didn't realize Argyle had moved to Region 1. After looking at it I also didn't realize that Mineral Wells had moved to Region 2, or that Alvarado had moved out of Region 1 in 2014 and is still in Region 2 in the new alignment. All 4 Regions are stout.

[Rabid Cougar]

Very tough district. Now about that little disagreement we had about who was better between Wylie and Robinson in baseball...

Dont recall them playing... I guess we will never know.

[slingshot]

I know... Hint: They have a big wood trophy for the case and will be getting fitted for state championship rings soon.

[OldBison75]

Navasota at #2 may be a little over reaching at the beginning of the year. New coach, no Eppler or Dickson, lots of changes. However, Coach Goodman will get the best out of the athletes he puts on the field and there won't be a lot of change in the overall scheme. I believe the Rattlers will be pretty good by the time the playoffs roll around, but there will be some challenges this year in the schedule. AND, anyone that believes that Eppler and Dickson cannot be replaced better get ready, those positions will reload better than most believe!!!!

[Pudlugger]

La Grange in top 5 again? Why?
But cool the Panthers are apparently the underdog against Giddings in the opener! Great to have some better competiition next year!

9 starters returning on offense with Dobbins as a center piece means the Leps will be scoring some big numbers. On defense the leps return a solid core and will be very good defending against the run. The big question in my mind is how well will the returning secondary perform against the pass. All our 4 losses came after Fredericksburg exposed our weakness against the pass. This team has several three year starters returning in the secondary and they should have refined their techniques and with solid coaching i expect this issue will be resolved. meanwhile our predistrict schedule includes Argyle, Liberty Hill, La Vernia and Navarro so we will be tested early and often.

[Leopardfan201]

9 starters returning on offense with Dobbins as a center piece means the Leps will be scoring some big numbers. On defense the leps return a solid core and will be very good defending against the run. The big question in my mind is how well will the returning secondary perform against the pass. All our 4 losses came after Fredericksburg exposed our weakness against the pass. This team has several three year starters returning in the secondary and they should have refined their techniques and with solid coaching i expect this issue will be resolved. meanwhile our predistrict schedule includes Argyle, Liberty Hill, La Vernia and Navarro so we will be tested early and often.

Liberty hill will be young lost alot of Letterman... but thr always good..Argyle will be a challage probably won't play no one better untill the post season...how many on defense we have returning

[speedbump]

9 starters returning on offense with Dobbins as a center piece means the Leps will be scoring some big numbers. On defense the leps return a solid core and will be very good defending against the run. The big question in my mind is how well will the returning secondary perform against the pass. All our 4 losses came after Fredericksburg exposed our weakness against the pass. This team has several three year starters returning in the secondary and they should have refined their techniques and with solid coaching i expect this issue will be resolved. meanwhile our predistrict schedule includes Argyle, Liberty Hill, La Vernia and Navarro so we will be tested early and often.

Explain again how you lost 4 all district players to graduation but still have 9 starters returning. We need more starters coming back for the Birds. Maybe the LG formula will work. LOL

[speedbump]

Liberty hill will be young lost alot of Letterman... but thr always good..Argyle will be a challage probably won't play no one better untill the post season...how many on defense we have returning

LG has 22 lettermen returning. 7 offensive and 7 defensive starters.

[Pudlugger]

Explain again how you lost 4 all district players to graduation but still have 9 starters returning. We need more starters coming back for the Birds. Maybe the LG formula will work. LOL

Of the eleven offensive starters we lost two to graduation, both lineman, a center and a guard. Therefore 9 starters will return on offense. We had a senior qb who shared a starting role with our junior qb so we had 12 starters if you figure that in. I don't know how you get 7 when we have 9 coming back unless you are not counting starters that shared roles depending on play calling and formations(TE, WR blocking backs wildcat all switch around so tyou can have more than eleven starters on offense just 11 on the field at any given time). I know math is hard Speedbump but keep trying LOL.

[speedbump]

Of the eleven offensive starters we lost two to graduation, both lineman, a center and a guard. Therefore 9 starters will return on offense.

So you're saying the Sr. TE and Sr. OT made all district but they couldn't even start for the Leps?

[d0tc0m]

I imagine La Grange will have a much better year this season than last. Dobbins could have a big-time year. I don't think the Leps will be able to take down Argyle, but those other pre-district games are winnable. That's a tough, but highly entertaining pre-district schedule. The Leopards will be battle tested come district time.

[Pudlugger]

So you're saying the Sr. TE and Sr. OT made all district but they couldn't even start for the Leps?

No not at all. The senior tackle was one of two lineman who graduated. The TE alternated with a WR depending on the offensive set and the WR returns so that is one of the 9. Counting the WR in place of the TE we have 9 starters back.

[speedbump]

No not at all. The senior tackle was one of two lineman who graduated. The TE alternated with a WR depending on the offensive set and the WR returns so that is one of the 9. Counting the WR in place of the TE we have 9 starters back.

Jon Weishuhn, Anthony Wagner, and Logan Hardin (that's three linemen)were all Sr. that graduated. The TE makes 4. 11-4=7 Having depth does't mean that everybody is a starter. LOL

[regaleagle]

A lot of young very good athletic types coming up in Argyle......most people are unaware because Argyle is so deep. On our baseball team this season there were 6 freshmen starters.....just to give you an idea. Some of these kids will end up being stars in many of the sports. In Argyle......like most other small schools......most of the talented athletic types play 2 or 3 sports. Some of these boys look like they are juniors and seniors.....they have size and tons of potential. Mix that with excellent coaching and you can bet your boots Argyle will remain very competitive for the foreseeable future. For a school with a relatively small enrollment(750ish), this school continues to amaze me. I think the coaching staff does an outstanding job of bringing along the talent and not holding back some of the younger talented players. They will allow them to compete for the starting positions, regardless of experience and age factors. I think this makes the overall program deeper and more competitive.

[speedbump]

We're doomed here in EC. All our freshmen look like they just got out of the eighth grade. The good news is we return 31 starters. 17 on offense and 14 on defense.

[d0tc0m]

A lot of young very good athletic types coming up in Argyle......most people are unaware because Argyle is so deep. On our baseball team this season there were 6 freshmen starters.....just to give you an idea. Some of these kids will end up being stars in many of the sports. In Argyle......like most other small schools......most of the talented athletic types play 2 or 3 sports. Some of these boys look like they are juniors and seniors.....they have size and tons of potential. Mix that with excellent coaching and you can bet your boots Argyle will remain very competitive for the foreseeable future. For a school with a relatively small enrollment(750ish), this school continues to amaze me. I think the coaching staff does an outstanding job of bringing along the talent and not holding back some of the younger talented players. They will allow them to compete for the starting positions, regardless of experience and age factors. I think this makes the overall program deeper and more competitive.



Along with coaching, Argyle has tremendous administration and community support, too. Programs with longevity have to have that to go with great coaching, good kids and - obviously - some talent and luck, too.

[d0tc0m]

We're doomed here in EC. All our freshmen look like they just got out of the eighth grade. The good news is we return 31 starters. 17 on offense and 14 on defense.


Good Lord, speedbump, you still moaning about what Pud said about La Grange? Let it go, dude.

[speedbump]

Good Lord, speedbump, you still moaning about what Pud said about La Grange? Let it go, dude.

I'm just trying to help pud get his typing muscles loose for the upcoming season. Don't worry about it.

[bobcat1]

We're doomed here in EC. All our freshmen look like they just got out of the eighth grade. The good news is we return 31 starters. 17 on offense and 14 on defense.

:spitlol: