Where does 2015 Katy rank all time?

[Weebe]

16-0 record

Outscored opponents 772 to 62. Average 48 ppg and gave up less than 4 ppg.

10 shutouts.

Won 38-0 in semis and 34-7 in finals.

The 1985 Yates team is often considered the best team of all time. Any thoughts on where Katy would rank?

[YTBulldogs]

16-0 record

Outscored opponents 772 to 62. Average 48 ppg and gave up less than 4 ppg.

10 shutouts.

Won 38-0 in semis and 34-7 in finals.

The 1985 Yates team is often considered the best team of all time. Any thoughts on where Katy would rank?

My vote is '83 Daingerfield Tigers best all time team. Outscored opponents 631-8. 14 shutouts, 13 straight. Zero points allowed by Tiger defense. Kilgore got a safety in the first game and Carthage had an interception return for a touchdown in the third game.

Katy this year, right in mix cause the caliber of opponents they played at 6A classification IMO.

[Scoop27]

Katy was in a weak district

[WOS87]

Katy was in a weak district

Katy IS in a district that funnels all of their players to Katy but that being said they smothered some pretty good teams in the playoffs. GP North Shore 2003 was equally dominant defensively so they are usually in the conversation. The Big Sandy teams of the early '70s are usually listed up there along with Daingerfield and one of the Southlake Carroll teams and of course Yates, mainly because they destroyed Odessa Permian 37-0 at their peak, set a new 5A scoring record for the time but also was losing to WOS with 6 minutes left (I just had to add.)

[waterboy]

They were extremely good, no doubt about it. One of the best I've seen in years.

I still say the '83 Daingerfield Tigers had THE BEST DEFENSE I've ever seen at any particular level.

14 shutouts in 16 games, including 13 straight to end the season.

Opponents' average gain per offensive play - 1 foot.

Total points given up by defense - 6

Total combined points given up by team - 8 (all in first 3 games)

I know that was a different era, etc., but that Tiger team set the standard for me when I saw them play in person. And after 40+ years of watching football religiously, nobody has even come close to duplicating that kind of complete and utter domination to date on ANY given level.

[waterboy]

My vote is '83 Daingerfield Tigers best all time team. Outscored opponents 631-8. 14 shutouts, 13 straight. Zero points allowed by Tiger defense. Kilgore got a safety in the first game and Carthage had an interception return for a touchdown in the third game.

Katy this year, right in mix cause the caliber of opponents they played at 6A classification IMO.

Not trying to be nitpicky, but the ONE TD given up was on the defense. It was on a fake punt play by Carthage (a 4A semi-finalist that year). The DB had position for the INT, mistimed his jump, tipped the ball, and the receiver caught it and ran it in. I still say that if the Tigers would've known what they were about to do defensively that year, nobody would've scored on them.

[WOS87]

Well they have but it was back in the 1920's. Abilene and Waco High both had teams that gave up less points. In 1923 Abilene lost to Waco 3-0 in the finals (I may be off a year but it was around then) and that was the only 3 points they gave up all season.

[oldtownag]

Not trying to be nitpicky, but the ONE TD given up was on the defense. It was on a fake punt play by Carthage (a 4A semi-finalist that year). The DB had position for the INT, mistimed his jump, tipped the ball, and the receiver caught it and ran it in. I still say that if the Tigers would've known what they were about to do defensively that year, nobody would've scored on them.

Yep. Legend of Dangerfield grows more every year!

[speedbump]

The greatest year anybody ever had was El Campo in 1947. The Ricebirds went undefeated while only giving up 27 points and I was born.

[WOS87]

Katy 2015 would definitely make the top 50 on all 3 lists. One of the very very few teams to break the top 50 in least average points allowed per game in decades.

I made this 10 years ago. I made a more complete one more recently but still searching for the original file. I think it's on another laptop.

There are a LOT of teams since 2006 that would be on the offense list now but very few if any would make the defense list.

Top 50 Most Dominant Offenses, Defenses and Margin of Victories among ALL 11-man State Champs 1920-2006

The first set of columns is average points scored per game for the entire championship season, the next set is average points allowed and the last set is largest average margin of victory.

http://bbs.texasdownlow.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=981&d=1450823886

[WOS87]

I also made a largest classification 1980-2006 chart combining Strength of Schedule (which is just the winning percentage of each teams opponents multiplied times average margin of victory over the season to come up with a power rating). This one also needs to be updated obviously. The usual suspects mentioned are at the top of the list.

http://bbs.texasdownlow.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=982&d=1450824552

[speedbump]

The greatest year anybody ever had was El Campo in 1947. The Ricebirds went undefeated while only giving up 27 points and I was born.

Gave up 4 a game but didn't make the list. Typical Rodney Dangerfield treatment of my Ricebirds.

[WOS87]

Gave up 4 a game but didn't make the list. Typical Rodney Dangerfield treatment of my Ricebirds.

That wasn't a State Championship... unfortunately you were Class 1A at the time and Class 1A was only allowed to play two playoff games so there were a few dozen Regional Champs that year whereas there was only one actual state champ that year in San Antonio Brackenridge. You did only allow 3.67 points per game so it was most definitely a great year for both reasons you set forth. The above tables only include actual State Champions though. Sorry.

El Campo 1947 Season District 27-1A (11-0-1)
(Regional Co-Champs Class 1A)

Freeport 25-0
Cypress-Fairbanks 60-6
Richmond 14-6
Edna 27-13
Victoria High 35-0
Boling 38-6
Rosenberg 39-0
West Columbia 74-0
Wharton 26-0
Bay City 37-6
Bi-District: Brenham 33-7
Regional Finals: Lockhart 0-0

[Roughneck93]

That wasn't a State Championship... unfortunately you were Class 1A at the time and Class 1A was only allowed to play two playoff games so there were a few dozen Regional Champs that year whereas there was only one actual state champ that year in San Antonio Brackenridge. You did only allow 3.67 points per game so it was most definitely a great year for both reasons you set forth. The above tables only include actual State Champions though. Sorry.

El Campo 1947 Season District 27-1A (11-0-1)
(Regional Co-Champs Class 1A)

Freeport 25-0
Cypress-Fairbanks 60-6
Richmond 14-6
Edna 27-13
Victoria High 35-0
Boling 38-6
Rosenberg 39-0
West Columbia 74-0
Wharton 26-0
Bay City 37-6
Bi-District: Brenham 33-7
Regional Finals: Lockhart 0-0

Damn...:ack!:

[speedbump]

Damn...:ack!:

Only gave up 33 in 1946 - http://lonestarfootball.net/team.asp?action=schedule&T=967&S=1946&GUID=1553331018

Ten shutouts

[chaingang]

That wasn't a State Championship... unfortunately you were Class 1A at the time and Class 1A was only allowed to play two playoff games so there were a few dozen Regional Champs that year whereas there was only one actual state champ that year in San Antonio Brackenridge. You did only allow 3.67 points per game so it was most definitely a great year for both reasons you set forth. The above tables only include actual State Champions though. Sorry.

El Campo 1947 Season District 27-1A (11-0-1)
(Regional Co-Champs Class 1A)

Freeport 25-0
Cypress-Fairbanks 60-6
Richmond 14-6
Edna 27-13
Victoria High 35-0
Boling 38-6
Rosenberg 39-0
West Columbia 74-0
Wharton 26-0
Bay City 37-6
Bi-District: Brenham 33-7
Regional Finals: Lockhart 0-0

Man, what kind of crap is that? Im sure it wasnt the UIL back then but had to suck for the players. If it was the UIL, all 2 dozen of tose 1A Teams would have been State Champions and have Division 1A-D1 through 1A-D24. LOL!!!

[mwrams]

You really cant compare the teams of the 40' 50's & 60's to the teams of today. Even the teams of the 70's were different. It's sooooo watered down now....so many more schools and players. I remember seeing some very good football back in the 60's...There were no so called rich schools back in them days...ie...Katy, Westlake, Carroll, Aledo, Allen...but they had Oilfield dynasties ie....Breckinridge, Permian and the teams that had great coaches...Brownwood with Gordon Wood and Jacksboro/Garland with Chuck Curtis, whom by the way I sat behind last week durnig Mineral Wells girls BB game. The game today is much faster....the players are bigger....but back then only the District Champ made the playoffs...lots of very good teams were left at home...High School Football was King back then...not so much today....

[waterboy]

You could even include the 1941 Gilmer Buckeyes to that list. :D You could only go 2 rounds deep in the playoffs that year in their classification.

Record: 12-0

Points for: 369

Points against: 6

Those six points were against Mineola in the 4th quarter against the scrubs. Everybody on the team got to play, and at different positions than they were accustomed to.

The next year, 1942, in a war shortened season, the Buckeyes went 6-0, scoring 193 points, while giving up 7.

[Rabid Cougar]

There were no so called rich schools back in them days...ie...Katy, Westlake, Carroll, Aledo, Allen...but they had Oilfield dynasties ie....Breckinridge, Permian and the teams that had great coaches...Brownwood with Gordon Wood and Jacksboro/Garland with Chuck Curtis, ....


Ah yea .. there was a rich school back in the day it was and still called Highland Park.

[mwrams]

Ah yea .. there was a rich school back in the day it was and still called Highland Park.

You are right on Highland Park....My Old Coach Frank Bevers was coach at Highland Park.

[toddg]

You really cant compare the teams of the 40' 50's & 60's to the teams of today. Even the teams of the 70's were different. It's sooooo watered down now....so many more schools and players. I remember seeing some very good football back in the 60's...There were no so called rich schools back in them days...ie...Katy, Westlake, Carroll, Aledo, Allen...but they had Oilfield dynasties ie....Breckinridge, Permian and the teams that had great coaches...Brownwood with Gordon Wood and Jacksboro/Garland with Chuck Curtis, whom by the way I sat behind last week durnig Mineral Wells girls BB game. The game today is much faster....the players are bigger....but back then only the District Champ made the playoffs...lots of very good teams were left at home...High School Football was King back then...not so much today.... i wouldnt call Katy a "rich" school with 7 6A schools within the Katy ISD

[toddg]

16-0 record

Outscored opponents 772 to 62. Average 48 ppg and gave up less than 4 ppg.

10 shutouts.

Won 38-0 in semis and 34-7 in finals.

The 1985 Yates team is often considered the best team of all time. Any thoughts on where Katy would rank?

their last 3 victories..Manvel, Steel, and LT...all extremly talented teams with explosive offenses

[Rabid Cougar]

i wouldnt call Katy a "rich" school with 7 6A schools within the Katy ISD

They are not. But they are the smallest school of all the Katy schools and ment to to stay that way. As was told to me by a Katy fan at the 2014 SC games.

[coach]

Katy IS in a district that funnels all of their players to Katy but that being said they smothered some pretty good teams in the playoffs. GP North Shore 2003 was equally dominant defensively so they are usually in the conversation. The Big Sandy teams of the early '70s are usually listed up there along with Daingerfield and one of the Southlake Carroll teams and of course Yates, mainly because they destroyed Odessa Permian 37-0 at their peak, set a new 5A scoring record for the time but also was losing to WOS with 6 minutes left (I just had to add.)

Is funnel another word for recruiting?

[coach]

I know its a bif IF, but if Fairfield gets 3 more yards in 2013 then we would be talking about the state's best offense....

[toddg]

I know its a bif IF, but if Fairfield gets 3 more yards in 2013 then we would be talking about the state's best offense....
I liked that offense

[coach]

I liked that offense

A key part to that offense was just named Sun Belt Offensive Player of the year. And he is a Sophomore!