Celina (15-0) vs West Orange-Stark (14-1) 2015 4A D2 STATE FINALS

[d0tc0m]

Celina is in for a rude awakening come Friday. They won't know what hit them.



So, we haven't moved past this yet, huh?

[RPF2666]

Celina is in for a rude awakening come Friday. They won't know what hit them.

Celina will know what hit them as well as what hit them, knows itself. WOS will likely know the same.
This game will come down to who executes better, and who's team rises up and plays their assignments best.

We are past the point in the season of surprise! May the best team win.

I think that is Celina!!!

[44INAROW]

I've gotta work til 5:00. Should be home by 5:10. The DVR is set (all games actually). The hardest thing for me will be NOT sneaking onto the Downlow for WOS/Celina updates while at work........I wanna see the game from kickoff.. Damn, I wish we were able to go... I think it's going to be a great game. 🏈💚

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[Aggie98]

If I had to pick one game to watch out of all the title games this weekend, it would be this one.




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[RPF2666]

I've gotta work til 5:00. Should be home by 5:10. The DVR is set (all games actually). The hardest thing for me will be NOT sneaking onto the Downlow for WOS/Celina updates while at work........I wanna see the game from kickoff.. Damn, I wish we were able to go... I think it's going to be a great game. ����

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It sounds like you may be 'coming down with something'! Might be a severe
case of 'Championship Fever'! Very contagious, should not go to work!:D

[CHS_89]

It sounds like you may be 'coming down with something'! Might be a severe
case of 'Championship Fever'! Very contagious, should not go to work!:D

LOL...I have it too. Might just "work" from home Friday and shut it down around 4. Wish I could be there. This will be the first one I've missed.

[RPF2666]

Of course you do! You are excused at 3 on Friday. It is unsafe to rush around in your state of
mind!

[d0tc0m]

Hell, I took off Thursday and Friday to watch games, flat told my editor why, too. He thinks I'm crazy. But he's from Nebraska, God bless him.

All of my friends know not to text or call me Friday from approximately 3-7:30 pm, too.

[bobcat1]

Working from home Friday. Won't be much happening from the time Argyle and LaVega kickoff. Working my tail off to be sure of that. ;)

[chaingang]

So, we haven't moved past this yet, huh?

It was getting too lovey dovey in here. Had to spice it up for you bobchickens. I mean cats.:D

[44INAROW]

It sounds like you may be 'coming down with something'! Might be a severe
case of 'Championship Fever'! Very contagious, should not go to work!:D

I did notice a tickle in my throat and a slight cough... just might get worse around noon on Friday...

[d0tc0m]

It was getting too lovey dovey in here. Had to spice it up for you bobchickens. I mean cats.:D


LoL. I think everyone is just too happy and excited to do much actual football talk. We're just over 30 hours until kickoff, folks!

[WOS1]

Hell, I took off Thursday and Friday to watch games, flat told my editor why, too. He thinks I'm crazy. But he's from Nebraska, God bless him.

All of my friends know not to text or call me Friday from approximately 3-7:30 pm, too.

Same here! Luckily, I work virtual and can sit at my computer and stare at the TV. :)

[WOS1]

LoL. I think everyone is just too happy and excited to do much actual football talk. We're just over 30 hours until kickoff, folks!

Yeah, the hard core smack talk has run it's course. Everyone is just ready to "get it on". I'll say this too, it seems like, every year we've been to the SC, either we or the team we've played were considered heavy favorites. This year it seems everyone believes this game is a toss up. Thats a credit to both teams for earning their respect this year. Last year, I believe part of the reason we punched Gilmer in the mouth in the first half was because our kids were so sick of hearing about how they couldn't play with Gilmer. They were motivated. This year we wont have that motivation, but we do have the sting of losing it in the second half...

[RPF2666]

Yeah, the hard core smack talk has run it's course. Everyone is just ready to "get it on". I'll say this too, it seems like, every year we've been to the SC, either we or the team we've played were considered heavy favorites. This year it seems everyone believes this game is a toss up. Thats a credit to both teams for earning their respect this year. Last year, I believe part of the reason we punched Gilmer in the mouth in the first half was because our kids were so sick of hearing about how they couldn't play with Gilmer. They were motivated. This year we wont have that motivation, but we do have the sting of losing it in the second half...

I think you are right about last year... perfect storm of WOS having heard enough, and Gilmer loving what they were hearing! I think the best team won, but
WOS deserved better!

[Bullaholic]

Not the first rodeo by a long shot for these two great programs---and that usually insures a hard-fought, clean-hitting, well coached, and entertaining game. Tomorrow should be a real treat to watch.

[44INAROW]

Track was 3 peat. 9,10,11 I believe. And thought we lost in the Baseball state game in 91.

I'll take it one step further... guess who won '05, '06, and '08.... and 2nd in '07.... actually, it's pretty awesome that 3 realitively small schools can continue to produce athletes like that... (ok, you guys can carry on) :) I sure wish I could be there tomorrow..... if y'all do meet up - please take a picture....

[garciap77]

I'm going with the Bobcats!

[d0tc0m]

And then it was Friday.

[RPF2666]

FINALLY, FRIDAY!

:evilgrin:

A slow fuse has been lit over at the Bobcat Team hotel.... Detonation is
set for somewhere around 4 PM, CST!!! (hate having games played before us that
could effect the start time!)

[BB BULLS]

ok folks i am in Casper WY, games are not on tv. where can watch or listen online? thanks

[Sweetwater Red]

ok folks i am in Casper WY, games are not on tv. where can watch or listen online? thanks

Click here

http://bbs.texasdownlow.com/vb/showthread.php?129156-Here-is-the-link-for-all-of-Fox-s-live-streams-for-the-SC-games

[Saggy Aggie]

Changing my pick. I'm taking WOS...

[bobcat1]

Changing my pick. I'm taking WOS...
Loser:tongue: :taunt:

[pirate4state]

Changing my pick. I'm taking WOS...

LOL why?

[SintonFan_inAustin]

is there still football going on?








lol. Go Mustangs! get my vote in before the game

[Txbroadcaster]

Going to be a slobberknocker

[BuckNut75644]

Pulling for Celina, but my money is on WOS. That's messed up!

[lostaussie]

Air cast on Celina QB. Not good

[regaleagle]

WOS has some nice looking uni's.

[Celina8]

Air cast on Celina QB. Not good

Oh Wow did the injury just occur or was it on him prior to the game. Had not heard anything on him being injured. That would be huge for us.

[lostaussie]

Looked like a possible broken left forearm. Nothing announced

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[Bosqueville]

Air cast on Celina QB. Not good

Gosh I hate that for any player at this point. Sucks!

[regaleagle]

Without Conner Pingleton, the Bobcat offense is suddenly cut in half.:ack!:

[regaleagle]

Pingleton is Celina's MVP.

[lostaussie]

Without Conner Pingleton, the Bobcat offense is suddenly cut in half.:ack!:

They moved on first drive. If not for fumble they take it in. Let's see how Knowles does. Looks pretty poised so far.

[lostaussie]

Unlike last week......that was a GREAT punt!!!

[Roughneck93]

Oh Wow did the injury just occur or was it on him prior to the game. Had not heard anything on him being injured. That would be huge for us.
Happened during the first series.

[pirate4state]

Air cast on Celina QB. Not good

So many injuries these last few games. Terrible for these kids that have worked so hard and for their season to end at the state game.

[cougartino]

WOS87, where are you sitting?

[lostaussie]

Pingleton done for game. That's to bad. Told training staff he heard it break.

[lostaussie]

Fumble!!!Celina D looks good. They will have to be today!!

[d0tc0m]

Fumble!!!Celina D looks good. They will have to be today!!

What's that old adage ...? The one about defense, I think ...?

[Saggy Aggie]

LOL why?

Wasn't as impressed as I thought I'd be by argyle, and Celina is pretty much equal to argyle.

[lostaussie]

What's that old adage ...? The one about defense, I think ...?

Looks like a defensive battle on both sides.......but as sure as I say that it will be 45-44. Long way to go. Interested to see how backup QB will do. Celina's coach is miked up and he is coaching him up.

[regaleagle]

Any way you slice it, when you lose your star qb in a SC final, it's gonna change a lot of things for your team. Unless you are Allen.

[regaleagle]

Knowles better forget about keepers and just give it to Alexander.

[Roughneck93]

Here comes WOS....

[lostaussie]

TD and 2 for WOS. 8-3 midway in second

[Saggy Aggie]

Celina doesn't have a chance without their Qb. Shame cuz he looked pretty good early on....

This would've been a good game had he not gotten hurt

[lostaussie]

Another td for WOS. X point failed. 14-3

Celina looks to be on the ropes. They have got to generate some offense real soon.

[BB BULLS]

Bobcats need to score here or it could get ugly

[Dawgs]

Another td for WOS. X point failed. 14-3

Celina looks to be on the ropes. They have got to generate some offense real soon.

That was a nice run. Kid left Celina in his dust. He showed some serious wheels on that play.

[WOS87]

Fun crowd here! 14-3 Halftime

[lostaussie]

Halftime 14-3. Bobcats really struggling with backup QB. He doesn't look like he is in over his head though. WOS is a solid team all the way around.

[d0tc0m]

Halftime 14-3. Bobcats really struggling with backup QB. He doesn't look like he is in over his head though. WOS is a solid team all the way around.


He just needs to settle down a little. I think the WOS speed spooked him a bit, and the game was just a bit too fast for him. If he can just calm down a bit, he's got some throws he can make, and that can soften up that front a bit and open some running lanes.

WOS is every bit as good and as fast as we thought they were. Celina's defense is playing well, will have to play even better in the 2nd half.

If Pingleton doesn't go down, this is a different game entirely.

[orange machine]

If Pingleton is playing Celina is beating up on wos. Gilmer is better no doubt about it non at all.

[Gobbler Fan]

:redxpoke:

[Aesculus gilmus]

If Pingleton is playing Celina is beating up on wos. Gilmer is better no doubt about it non at all.

I agreed at first, but WOS had a really good second quarter. I do agree that WOS is not quite as good as they were last year, but they're still good.

I definitely agree that Pingleton made your team go and his mastery of the QB position compared to our lack thereof was the difference in the game last week.

[d0tc0m]

If Pingleton is playing Celina is beating up on wos. Gilmer is better no doubt about it non at all.


I don't know about that, but I definitely think it's a different looking game.

WOS is faster than Gilmer by a bit, in my opinion. But Gilmer had a better game plan of not trying to look downfield every single play. When WOS threw that away and looked shorter, they found their success. Be interesting to see how the 2nd half plays out.

[d0tc0m]

Man, I love Coach Elliot. Dude is a great coach, great motivator and a great man.

[lostaussie]

WOS will not make the 2nd half mistakes they made last year. Celina's lines are going to have to grind on them some to open up some pass lanes. Don't abandon the run but if it you can't game some yardage Bobcats are in trouble.

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[d0tc0m]

Can't believe WOS hasn't run more screens after seeing the success Gilmer had last week.

[Roughneck93]

That was a nice play call....

[WOS87]

22-3

[d0tc0m]

Dallas runs well.

[BB BULLS]

this game is over no way Bobcats come back with back up QB

[d0tc0m]

this game is over no way Bobcats come back with back up QB


Maybe not. Celina won't quit, though.

[Gobbler Fan]

Sounds like Celina needs to start holding :evilgrin:

[Scoop27]

Who did West Orange Stark lose to and was it a non district or district game?

[MJMbrahmas10]

Dies Celina typically play a little on the dirty side?

[Roughneck93]

Who did West Orange Stark lose to and was it a non district or district game?
Richmond Foster

[lostaussie]

Maybe not. Celina won't quit, though.

No they won't.....nor should they. Loss of QB was so big. I think WOS still wins but it would have been so much more competitive. Just by looking at TV........Celina already knows their fate.

[BB BULLS]

Maybe not. Celina won't quit, though.

i sure hope not! man i hate the bobcats lost the starting QB.

[d0tc0m]

Dies Celina typically play a little on the dirty side?


LoL.

[Sweetwater Red]

If the downlow is a great place where adults can talk about highschool football respectfully and knowledgeably then
the fox sports app is an asylum and the inmates are running it. Man, it's like a zoo over there on the WOS/Celina chat.

[RPF2666]

Dies Celina typically play a little on the dirty side?

What?

[BB BULLS]

No they won't.....nor should they. Loss of QB was so big. I think WOS still wins but it would have been so much more competitive. Just by looking at TV........Celina already knows their fate.

they need to keep the heads up and fight hard, it is not an easy thing to get where they are. trust me i know

[d0tc0m]

No they won't.....nor should they. Loss of QB was so big. I think WOS still wins but it would have been so much more competitive. Just by looking at TV........Celina already knows their fate.


Hard to say what the outcome would've been had Pingleton not gone down. It effects every phase of the game. Even Celina's defense benefits from having Pingleton under center on offense.

[lostaussie]

If the downlow is a great place where adults can talk about highschool football respectfully and knowledgeably then
the fox sports app is a an asylum and the inmates are running it. Man, it's like a zoo over there on the WOS/Celina chat.

Always is. The only thing I use it for is scores during the season........and half the time some j/a is messing with the score.

[lostaussie]

Cats on offense. They need a big play soon.

[d0tc0m]

Poor #59 for WOS needs an IV. Leg keeps cramping up.

[PurplePop]

Score?

[d0tc0m]

22-3 wos.

[bobcat4life]

If Pingleton doesn't get hurt I think Celina would be running away with it...

[lostaussie]

I always like a heroic comeback....... But if its gonna be it better start NOW

[d0tc0m]

I always like a heroic comeback....... But if its gonna be it better start NOW



Very, very tall order. Proud of the effort from the Bobcats, though.

[lostaussie]

If Pingleton doesn't get hurt I think Celina would be running away with it...

They wouldn't be running away with anything. Would they be all up in the game? I believe so.

[Gobbler Fan]

Well that sounds good anyway

[d0tc0m]

They wouldn't be running away with anything. Would they be all up in the game? I believe so.


Agree. WOS defense is very, very good. Very fast. They've schemed well, too.

[d0tc0m]

Celina defense has played out of its mind, especially considering how long they've had to be on the field today.

[orange machine]

I'm trying not to be a homer, but there is no doubt in my Celina could have won and put up a lot more points. I think Celina wins cause you just lost your 3500 yard passer and 900 yard runner.

[BB BULLS]

congrats bobcats for a great season & way to go WOS SC

[Gobbler Fan]

Sometimes you just have to play the cards your dealt. I think WOS would have won this game even with a healthy Celina QB but yes it would have been closer

[d0tc0m]

I'm trying not to be a homer, but there is no doubt in my Celina could have won and put up a lot more points. I think Celina wins cause you just lost your 3500 yard passer and 900 yard runner.


Unfortunately, we'll never get to know that for sure.

[91 lion]

Congrats WOS!!

Great season Bobcats.

[d0tc0m]

Congrats on a great season, WOS. You guys have a great team, and that's a great win. Enjoy it! And as much as WOS87 will moan about it, enjoy that No. 1 ranking you'll have all next season haha!

Nothing but respect for WOS and that program from Celina folks. Mustangs will be even better next season.

[Roughneck93]

Congrats WO-S! :clap:

Great season Celina!

[RPF2666]

Congratulations Mustangs

[Aesculus gilmus]

Cornel Thompson has always been regarded as a defensive mastermind.

"Defense wins championships" was on display today at NRG.

[lostaussie]

Sometimes you just have to play the cards your dealt. I think WOS would have won this game even with a healthy Celina QB but yes it would have been closer

I agree 100%. I didn't have a favorite in this game. QB doesn't get hurt it is a different game. Still don't know Celina had enough though. WOS was a very complete team and I want to congratulate them. They did what they had to do and that's all that matters.

WOS MUSTANGS 2015 STATE CHAMPIONS.......112%
Good job guys!!!

[Sweetwater Red]

WOS MUSTANGS 2015 STATE CHAMPIONS.......112%
Good job guys!!!

^this^

:clap::clap::clap:

Congrats fellow Mustangs on a job well done.

[44INAROW]

If Pingleton is playing Celina is beating up on wos. Gilmer is better no doubt about it non at all.

Wow, you really just said that?
Was Pingleton playing defense?

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[bd62]

Congs. To WOS for winning State. Will be scary good again next yr with all those young players. Enjoyed interviews with WOS Coach on Fox. He a players Coach and you can tell the kids love him.
Great Season Celina. Hope the QB will have a Full Recovery.

[PurplePop]

Congrats to the West Orange-Stark Mustangs!!!

I heard the WOS coach interviewed on the radio earlier this year and he (perhaps prophetically) said that, regardless how good you are, you still have to have some luck fall your way to win a state championship. The corollary is you have to not have bad luck which is what happened to Celina with their QB. It's all part of the game, and WOS deserves to be State Champs. Hats off to Celina for an unbelievable season, also.

[Pudlugger]

Congratulations to the WOS Mustangs. This team is surely one of the best ever in its class well deserving of the SC, Celina's qb injury notwithstanding. It will be a challenge for 4a DII to unseat the mustangs next year with all the talent they have coming back.

[chaingang]

Congratulations to the WOS Mustangs. This team is surely one of the best ever in its class well deserving of the SC, Celina's qb injury notwithstanding. It will be a challenge for 4a DII to unseat the mustangs next year with all the talent they have coming back.
We will return 20 out of 22 starters.

[lostaussie]

Congratulations to the WOS Mustangs. This team is surely one of the best ever in its classcongratulations are definitely in order.......but one of the best ever in their class........ I ain't going there.

[bobcat1]

I'd like to first Congratulate West Orange Stark (Winners of State). That is one fine football team. Tip of the cap to you. :2thumbsup

Congrats to the Celina Bobcats also. You had a great year. Losing QB1 hurt but you have to play 11..... next man up. Today wasn't your day but you played with heart and fought to the finish.

The game was won in my opinion on the line of scrimmage.... both sides. But what do I know.

[44INAROW]

Congrats to the WOS Mustangs.....well deserved win....

I hope Celina's QB is able to to make a full recovery. I can't imagine the heartache he's going through... Preparing for so long for the dream game and then get injured in the 1st series.... Gut wrenching...no doubt...

Maybe some of the fans will take a page from the coach and learn some humility... He was very gracious in his after game speech


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[WOS87]

Just got back from the game and it was fun. Met a bunch of people from all over. Celina obviously started off with a bad loss in the QB injury and I hope he's okay. Who knows what might have happened had he been in the whole game. Maybe you would have won but who knows? Let's try to keep the bickering to a minimum please and look forward to a safe and Merry Christmas and Happy New Years or any other holiday you choose to celebrate!

Also I saw that comment about me being upset about being #1 next year... I'm sure we'll schedule George Ranch or some team like that to get an early loss to get back under the radar. ;)

[PurplePop]

"2 Championships - 1986, 1987"

Typo in your signature line. Oops. You fixed it.

[j_dog]

Great job Stangs! Celina, I know we have not seen the last of you also.

[Tejastrue]

This win should not be tainted by any means. There were so many other gauges to judge this win by...Congrats to WOS.

[ccmom]

Congrats to the State Champion Mustangs!!! Loved watching them today!

Also congrats to Celina on an outstanding season! Hoping your QB makes a full recovery. I truly hurt for him today. Seeing him talking up the backup and still doing whatever he could for the team was impressive. I also loved seeing fhe other Celina players encouraging the backup qb. He was in a tough spot, but that kind of team comradery is wonderful to see.

[WOS1]

I will read all of the posts tomorrow, but I'll just say this. I know there will be a ton of "if Pingleton doesn't get hurt" posts. And I pray he has a speedy recovery. My prayers go out to this young man.

But, this game was won in the trenches. Celina did not have the success controlling the LOS that they thought they would. WOS dominated the LOS which changed their game plan on offense to a conservative game plan to run the clock. We, our coaches and everyone in that stadium knew that they were not going to be able to move the ball on our run defense, consistently. The o-line didn't get hurt and neither did alexander or the defensive line. I believe the game would have been different and probably more higher scoring for both teams, but it would not change the fact that we controlled the LOS and that is what wins games at this level.

[orange machine]

I will read all of the posts tomorrow, but I'll just say this. I know there will be a ton of "if Pingleton doesn't get hurt" posts. And I pray he has a speedy recovery. My prayers go out to this young man.

But, this game was won in the trenches. Celina did not have the success controlling the LOS that they thought they would. WOS dominated the LOS which changed their game plan on offense to a conservative game plan to run the clock. We, our coaches and everyone in that stadium knew that they were not going to be able to move the ball on our run defense, consistently. The o-line didn't get hurt and neither did alexander or the defensive line. I believe the game would have been different and probably more higher scoring for both teams, but it would not change the fact that we controlled the LOS and that is what wins games at this level.

WOS success won in the trenches because when the qb went out the passing game went out with him. Not hard to 7 or 8 players in the box and play the run. Yes this game would have been very different if Pingleton the qb was able to play. WOS won and congrats on that, but yall beat a team without its best player at the hardest and most important position. Had he not got hurt and wos won I could except the lose, but if wos lost their qb yall would be up a creek also because he makes you r offense go.

[WOS1]

I'm sorry you feel that way. You couldn't run the ball before he got hurt. As far as "accepting the loss" you don't have much choice there.

[lostaussie]

WOS success won in the trenches because when the qb went out the passing game went out with him. Not hard to 7 or 8 players in the box and play the run. Yes this game would have been very different if Pingleton the qb was able to play. WOS won and congrats on that, but yall beat a team without its best player at the hardest and most important position. Had he not got hurt and wos won I could except the lose, but if wos lost their qb yall would be up a creek also because he makes you r offense go.

It stings bro, but you can't change what happened. WOS stopped the run, 5 was a non-factor, and at the end of the day, it wasn't even close.

[orange machine]

He got hurt on the 3rd or 4th play so how could you say they couldn't run. Actually he completed 1 pass for about 15 yards the other couple of plays were running plays that went for 15 or 20 yards. So how exactly could we not run? After the qb went out Celina had 0 passing game. Again not hard to stack the box for the run. Anyways this can be argued for a life time and the outcome won't change. What I am sick of hearing on the friday night app is wos people spewing junk. Lose your qb and see how well you do.

[WOS1]

I know it hurts dude, until tonight we've faced it 3 straight trips, but there are just as many Celine fans running their mouth on that app as WOS folks. There Is nothing worthy or constructive ever discussed which is why I don't go there anymore.

[WOS87]

He got hurt on the 3rd or 4th play so how could you say they couldn't run. Actually he completed 1 pass for about 15 yards the other couple of plays were running plays that went for 15 or 20 yards. So how exactly could we not run? After the qb went out Celina had 0 passing game. Again not hard to stack the box for the run. Anyways this can be argued for a life time and the outcome won't change. What I am sick of hearing on the friday night app is wos people spewing junk. Lose your qb and see how well you do.

Simmer down now. There are people upset on both sides for various reasons. I know a lot of the Orange community didn't appreciate the whole riding in on yellow dog comments before and after the game like we're from the wrong side of the tracks or something, even from the broadcasters. You lost. Something bad happened. You can't change it. And yeah you'd probably hear the same complaining if it were the other way around but life happens. I hope you have a Merry Christmas and I hope you get another shot at us at full health.

[Gobbler Fan]

IMO Best team won so Congratulations Mustangs you have a special group going through there right now so enjoy the ride.:2thumbsup... P.S Hope we get another shot at you guys down the road.

[d0tc0m]

To be honest, I don't think there's anything to do but say congrats to WOS! You can go back and forth and say, 'What if?' until it drives you crazy. But it's all a pointless argument. It's one thing to make those kinds of observations during the game. But when it's over, it's over, and those arguments don't change the outcome. They really only tend to diminish what the other team accomplished. WOS is not a team that you can take away from, though, in my opinion.

WOS was/is such a dang good football team. They played hard. They played disciplined. They earned every bit of that state championship, and they did it with class! It stings to lose the title game. It really does. It always will. But you just can't take anything away from WOS, because they just played a complete football game for four quarters. They're a fun team to watch, and they'll be fun to watch next season. All I can say is good luck to Region III and IV teams next year, because the Mustangs will be a freaking load.


For the Celina kids and fans, man, what a great year! I'm so proud of this team and what they accomplished and the manner in which they accomplished it. They brought that tradition back for the orange and white. They made it fun to be a Bobcat again, too! There's nobody in town that is disappointed in you guys, I can promise you that. You played your tails off, and you played with a ton of heart. You made a ton of memories along the way, and you gave this town and these fans a ton of memories too. I know it hurts to be so close and come up just short. But it doesn't take away from you guys, and especially you seniors. You're more than football, and you mean more to the town than just football. So one game certainly doesn't define you. Your legacy will go way beyond this one game or any other one game, and it'll last well after the sting of this defeat has worn off. Again, I'm just so proud of this team. Haven't been this proud of a Celina team in a long, long time.


Once again, though, congrats to WOS! What a great team, a great season and a great state championship for that team and community! Enjoy it, because, as you know, it's not easy to get to the big dance, and once you're there, nothing is guaranteed. Outstanding season, Mustangs! Cya in 2016!

[Tejastrue]

:clap::clap::clap:

[XX Man]

Who did West Orange Stark lose to and was it a non district or district game?

WOS lost to Richmond Foster George Ranch, the 5A team that plays for the SC immediately after WOS.

[XX Man]

Dies Celina typically play a little on the dirty side?

I saw numerous times, when Celina tackled a WOS runner, the Celina player took his sweet time getting off the WOS player, then either squeezing the WOS player, or pushing him hard into the playing field. Unsportsmanlike Conduct should have been called several times on that mess.

[Tejastrue]

[QUOTE=XX Man;1892505]WOS lost to Richmond Foster George Ranch, the 5A team that plays for the SC immediately after WOS.[/QUO

damn GR is pretty dang goood....

[Saggy Aggie]

WOS lost to Richmond Foster George Ranch, the 5A team that plays for the SC immediately after WOS.

Richmond Foster and George ranch are 2 completely different teams. WOS lost to foster. George ranch just won state. Not the same team....

[Tejastrue]

I saw numerous times, when Celina tackled a WOS runner, the Celina player took his sweet time getting off the WOS player, then either squeezing the WOS player, or pushing him hard into the playing field. Unsportsmanlike Conduct should have been called several times on that mess.

probably should not go there at this point...

[d0tc0m]

WOS lost to Richmond Foster George Ranch, the 5A team that plays for the SC immediately after WOS.


Richmond Foster and George Ranch are two different teams, bro. You guys lost to Foster, not George Ranch that won the 5A title.

[Saggy Aggie]

Richmond Foster and George Ranch are two different teams, bro. You guys lost to Foster, not George Ranch that won the 5A title.

Yep, though Foster only lost to GR 35-28

I think that was their closest game all season

[d0tc0m]

Yep, though Foster only lost to GR 35-28


Yup. Foster was a good team, no doubt.

[Gobbler Fan]

You must be the Superman (x-ray vision) of picking these type of things up. You spotted all the holding we were doing and now you see everything that Celina was doing lol but what is crazy about the whole thing is they were both wins ... I don't know if it will be safe to be on here if you guy's lose :devil: Enjoy the win and be gracious in Victory my man. Give the kids from both teams credit for being there (SC) and bask in the glory that is Texas High School Football. When does Practice for next year begin ?:crazy1:

[d0tc0m]

You must be the Superman (x-ray vision) of picking these type of things up. You spotted all the holding we were doing and now you see everything that Celina was doing lol but what is crazy about the whole thing is they were both wins ... I don't know if it will be safe to be on here if you guy's lose :devil: Enjoy the win and be gracious in Victory my man. Give the kids from both teams credit for being there (SC) and bask in the glory that is Texas High School Football. When does Practice for next year begin ?:crazy1:

Sadly, some were born to troll.

[XX Man]

If Pingleton doesn't get hurt I think Celina would be running away with it...

Celina might have scored, but the outcome would have been the same. Celina doesn't have an answer for the WOS Chain Gang Defense, and they sure don't have an answer for the WOS speed on offense. Out of the 75+ players they have on the sidelines, they ought to have one more person who could step in as QB. But, the Celina QB was running for his life everytime he took a snap. Celina had a decent defense, but they have just never seen the likes of what WOS brought to the field. It was also apparent to me, that Cornel saw they outclassed Celina, and purposely did not try to run up the score.

Also, at the end of the game, when WOS was brought down inches short of the 1st down, on the 1 yard line, there should have been a facemask penalty called on Celina, and another WOS TD on the board. Cornel played a smart game. and changed up the game plan, so that Celina never knew what to expect, rather than run the pass play or the screen play. Smart coach.

I was happy to see some of the Celina crowd clapping for WOS when they won the game. Of course, they may have been clapping for their team, but I hope it was for WOS.

I hate it that the Celina QB had his arm broke.

[d0tc0m]

I saw numerous times, when Celina tackled a WOS runner, the Celina player took his sweet time getting off the WOS player, then either squeezing the WOS player, or pushing him hard into the playing field. Unsportsmanlike Conduct should have been called several times on that mess.


Celina might have scored, but the outcome would have been the same. Celina doesn't have an answer for the WOS Chain Gang Defense, and they sure don't have an answer for the WOS speed on offense. Out of the 75+ players they have on the sidelines, they ought to have one more person who could step in as QB. But, the Celina QB was running for his life everytime he took a snap. Celina had a decent defense, but they have just never seen the likes of what WOS brought to the field. It was also apparent to me, that Cornel saw they outclassed Celina, and purposely did not try to run up the score.

Also, at the end of the game, when WOS was brought down inches short of the 1st down, on the 1 yard line, there should have been a facemask penalty called on Celina, and another WOS TD on the board. Cornel played a smart game. and changed up the game plan, so that Celina never knew what to expect, rather than run the pass play or the screen play. Smart coach.

I was happy to see some of the Celina crowd clapping for WOS when they won the game. Of course, they may have been clapping for their team, but I hope it was for WOS.

I hate it that the Celina QB had his arm broke.



Were you alive during the 1986-87 title games, or old enough to remember them?

[XX Man]

I agree 100%. I didn't have a favorite in this game. QB doesn't get hurt it is a different game. Still don't know Celina had enough though. WOS was a very complete team and I want to congratulate them. They did what they had to do and that's all that matters.

WOS MUSTANGS 2015 STATE CHAMPIONS.......112%
Good job guys!!!

Yes, the WOS team is a complete team, loaded with talent. They lose 11 seniors, but they will reload, no problem.

[WOS87]

You must be the Superman (x-ray vision) of picking these type of things up. You spotted all the holding we were doing and now you see everything that Celina was doing lol but what is crazy about the whole thing is they were both wins ... I don't know if it will be safe to be on here if you guy's lose :devil: Enjoy the win and be gracious in Victory my man. Give the kids from both teams credit for being there (SC) and bask in the glory that is Texas High School Football. When does Practice for next year begin ?:crazy1:

I can guarantee you it will be perfectly safe LOL. We've lost our final game playoff game every year from 1988-2014 until today and the WOS fans will moan and complain just like every team but we can handle a loss. I try to run a friendly show here. I sat on the Cuero side last week with 44INAROW and always root for you guys and most other teams, sometimes even when they play WOS (the WOS guys are gonna come after me now but eh... I have admin privs lol).

Also.... I was most definitely alive in 1986 and 1987. I was the WOS nerd of the year (valedictorian) 1987 but I Went to every game, saw the heartbreaking loss to '85 Houston Yates when we were actually winning with 6 minutes left, the huge upset to Paris in the '88 Finals, the losses to the juggernaut La Marque teams in the '90s and Ennis sneaking up on us in the '00 State Finals showing us what the Spread is for the first time. It's been 28 years and yeah.. a lot of the youngsters have never experienced this but most of the older guys are very humble and at the same time very happy. 28 years is a long time to wait after being so good and coming so close so many times. So forgive some of the youngsters who've never experienced it. I'll keep them in line (or at least try to lol). Celina hasn't ever had to wait this long ever.

[Gobbler Fan]

Just wow :blahblah:

[XX Man]

WOS success won in the trenches because when the qb went out the passing game went out with him. Not hard to 7 or 8 players in the box and play the run. Yes this game would have been very different if Pingleton the qb was able to play. WOS won and congrats on that, but yall beat a team without its best player at the hardest and most important position. Had he not got hurt and wos won I could except the lose, but if wos lost their qb yall would be up a creek also because he makes you r offense go.

Yes, if the Celoina QB had not got hurt, they might have scored a TD, but if he was in the game, I am sure Cornel would have run different plays, that would have had excellent results. Early on, when Celina was goingon how they were going to blow out WOS with their size, I said that Celina had not idea of the strength and conditioning of the WOS players, and how size alone has not been a factor against them. Never has for years, and they have always been small.............and fast................and talented.

[XX Man]

He got hurt on the 3rd or 4th play so how could you say they couldn't run. Actually he completed 1 pass for about 15 yards the other couple of plays were running plays that went for 15 or 20 yards. So how exactly could we not run? After the qb went out Celina had 0 passing game. Again not hard to stack the box for the run. Anyways this can be argued for a life time and the outcome won't change. What I am sick of hearing on the friday night app is wos people spewing junk. Lose your qb and see how well you do.

WOS has a back up QB, that is almost as talented as Jack Dallas. Hate that he graduates this year.

[bobcat1]

I saw numerous times, when Celina tackled a WOS runner, the Celina player took his sweet time getting off the WOS player, then either squeezing the WOS player, or pushing him hard into the playing field. Unsportsmanlike Conduct should have been called several times on that mess.

I saw edgy play from both sides and probably shouldn't say this but I saw several instances where taunting should have been called on WOS but it wasn't. I played edgy in a loss way back when Moby Dick was a minnow. It wasn't smart to mouth off at me or my team when you were winning. ;) Not saying that was the case in this one, I wasn't live in person. Competitors hate losing and I'm sure some Celina players were stinging a little. They are all just kids and react as such.

Again Congrats to WOS. You earned this and it is not tainted.

Orange Machine, If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we would all have a Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas to all.

[XX Man]

Maybe I made a mistake. I will have to look back. Sorry

[XX Man]

WOS lost to Richmond Foster George Ranch, the 5A team that plays for the SC immediately after WOS.

My mistake. I think it is called Richmond Foster, or just Foster. I got my teams mixed up.

[Roughneck93]

http://www.chron.com/sports/highschool/article/Class-4A-Division-II-recap-West-Orange-Stark-vs-6708497.php

[JJWalker]

I watched the game and enjoyed watching two scrapy teams. Clearly WOS was the better team tonight. Celina played hard and should be proud of their season.

And ... yes I saw Celina's QB apparently break his arm on the first series? It looked ugly in slow motion on TV. Pretty tough young man. I hope he is able to fully recover.

[griff]

To be honest, I don't think there's anything to do but say congrats to WOS! You can go back and forth and say, 'What if?' until it drives you crazy. But it's all a pointless argument. It's one thing to make those kinds of observations during the game. But when it's over, it's over, and those arguments don't change the outcome. They really only tend to diminish what the other team accomplished. WOS is not a team that you can take away from, though, in my opinion.

WOS was/is such a dang good football team. They played hard. They played disciplined. They earned every bit of that state championship, and they did it with class! It stings to lose the title game. It really does. It always will. But you just can't take anything away from WOS, because they just played a complete football game for four quarters. They're a fun team to watch, and they'll be fun to watch next season. All I can say is good luck to Region III and IV teams next year, because the Mustangs will be a freaking load.


For the Celina kids and fans, man, what a great year! I'm so proud of this team and what they accomplished and the manner in which they accomplished it. They brought that tradition back for the orange and white. They made it fun to be a Bobcat again, too! There's nobody in town that is disappointed in you guys, I can promise you that. You played your tails off, and you played with a ton of heart. You made a ton of memories along the way, and you gave this town and these fans a ton of memories too. I know it hurts to be so close and come up just short. But it doesn't take away from you guys, and especially you seniors. You're more than football, and you mean more to the town than just football. So one game certainly doesn't define you. Your legacy will go way beyond this one game or any other one game, and it'll last well after the sting of this defeat has worn off. Again, I'm just so proud of this team. Haven't been this proud of a Celina team in a long, long time.


Once again, though, congrats to WOS! What a great team, a great season and a great state championship for that team and community! Enjoy it, because, as you know, it's not easy to get to the big dance, and once you're there, nothing is guaranteed. Outstanding season, Mustangs! Cya in 2016!

Best post I've read yet in this thread. Good perspective. I hope this insight will rub off a little on orange machine. :-)

[WOS1]

To be honest, I don't think there's anything to do but say congrats to WOS! You can go back and forth and say, 'What if?' until it drives you crazy. But it's all a pointless argument. It's one thing to make those kinds of observations during the game. But when it's over, it's over, and those arguments don't change the outcome. They really only tend to diminish what the other team accomplished. WOS is not a team that you can take away from, though, in my opinion.

WOS was/is such a dang good football team. They played hard. They played disciplined. They earned every bit of that state championship, and they did it with class! It stings to lose the title game. It really does. It always will. But you just can't take anything away from WOS, because they just played a complete football game for four quarters. They're a fun team to watch, and they'll be fun to watch next season. All I can say is good luck to Region III and IV teams next year, because the Mustangs will be a freaking load.


For the Celina kids and fans, man, what a great year! I'm so proud of this team and what they accomplished and the manner in which they accomplished it. They brought that tradition back for the orange and white. They made it fun to be a Bobcat again, too! There's nobody in town that is disappointed in you guys, I can promise you that. You played your tails off, and you played with a ton of heart. You made a ton of memories along the way, and you gave this town and these fans a ton of memories too. I know it hurts to be so close and come up just short. But it doesn't take away from you guys, and especially you seniors. You're more than football, and you mean more to the town than just football. So one game certainly doesn't define you. Your legacy will go way beyond this one game or any other one game, and it'll last well after the sting of this defeat has worn off. Again, I'm just so proud of this team. Haven't been this proud of a Celina team in a long, long time.


Once again, though, congrats to WOS! What a great team, a great season and a great state championship for that team and community! Enjoy it, because, as you know, it's not easy to get to the big dance, and once you're there, nothing is guaranteed. Outstanding season, Mustangs! Cya in 2016!

Well done, man!

[RPF2666]

Excellent post Dotcom.

Congratulations again, to WOS. You are the State Champions.

My hat is off the Celina defense. Played another +/-30 minutes and kept the
game 'within sight'. If you had ANY quit in you, it would have been 50-3.

To those saying that losing our starting QB on the first drive didn't impact the final
result, you are 100% certifiably, delusional!

[bobcat1]

One question does come to mind and I will probably get blasted for asking, but why was WOS trying to score when the game was in hand? I would have thought they would have took a knee. But then every coach has their own ways and I am sure there is a good explanation for it.

[bobcat1]

Excellent post Dotcom.

Congratulations again, to WOS. You are the State Champions.

My hat is off the Celina defense. Played another +/-30 minutes and kept the
game 'within sight'. If you had ANY quit in you, it would have been 50-3.

To those saying that losing our starting QB on the first drive didn't impact the final
result, you are 100% certifiably, delusional!

You are correct on all accounts my friend. Austin had a great game but catching that fumble in mid-air with his left hand was awesome!

[XX Man]

Were you alive during the 1986-87 title games, or old enough to remember them?
I had already been out of high school over 10 years, at that time. What's your point?

[XX Man]

One question does come to mind and I will probably get blasted for asking, but why was WOS trying to score when the game was in hand? I would have thought they would have took a knee. But then every coach has their own ways and I am sure there is a good explanation for it.

Actually, after watching Cornel's game plan all year with this team, it looked to me that WOS was just trying to run the clock out in the 3rd quarter. All year long, WOS has gone to the air in screen passes and down field for 75% of the game. Last night, it looked like they keep it on the ground 75% of the time. But, as WOS learned last year, you better not ever let up.

[RPF2666]

You are correct on all accounts my friend. Austin had a great game but catching that fumble in mid-air with his left hand was awesome!

Thanks Bobby...what a ride!

[Old Green]

Congrats WO-S on the SC !

Good Season Celina !

[WOS1]

One question does come to mind and I will probably get blasted for asking, but why was WOS trying to score when the game was in hand? I would have thought they would have took a knee. But then every coach has their own ways and I am sure there is a good explanation for it.
All of the kids, including the back up QB that was in the game were seniors who had not seen much playing time. It wasn't as much us trying to score as it was trying to get those kids time in the ultimate game.

[bobcat1]

All of the kids, including the back up QB that was in the game were seniors who had not seen much playing time. It wasn't as much us trying to score as it was trying to get those kids time in the ultimate game.
Now that makes sense. Thanks! It has always been my belief every senior should get playing time in their last game. Some seniors never were starters but they practiced and played scout team everyday and worked as hard as everyone else just maybe not as gifted athletically. It would be a big slap in the face to not let them in the last game of their career even if just for a few snaps.

I know of one instance where a coach told a parent "we played the younger kids to get them some experience for next year, these seniors are through". I was shocked and lost all respect for that man when I heard him say that to them.

[OLE'BULL]

My mistake. I think it is called Richmond Foster, or just Foster. I got my teams mixed up.

You have a tendency to get mixed up XX Man!

What a great X Mas gift for WOS! They have been dominant all year and were again last night. I have always loved Celina and the tradition they have, but of course I was also happy for WOS and glad to see them win. Makes us Bellville folks feel a bit better about getting knocked out by them. Ya, sure, the game would have been different with the Celina QB in there, but like many have echoed, I believe the outcome would have been the same. WOS can score points, a lot of them. The WOS coach is smart, very smart. Obviously in the big game, he will be conservative if that is what it takes to win. I have a feeling they could have scored MANY more but decided to play smart, control the ball, and win a Texas High School Football State Championship trophy instead of putting on a show. I feel REALLY bad for the Celina QB, but thank goodness he is only a Junior and will get another crack at it. If they make it back to the state game, I have a pretty good feeling that they will be playing WOS again. Assuming any realignment puts them in the position to do so. I saw a post the WOS has 20 of 22 starters returning? YIKES, that is scary. Congrats again to WOS, one last day of high school football today!

[XX Man]

You have a tendency to get mixed up XX Man!

What a great X Mas gift for WOS! They have been dominant all year and were again last night. I have always loved Celina and the tradition they have, but of course I was also happy for WOS and glad to see them win. Makes us Bellville folks feel a bit better about getting knocked out by them. Ya, sure, the game would have been different with the Celina QB in there, but like many have echoed, I believe the outcome would have been the same. WOS can score points, a lot of them. The WOS coach is smart, very smart. Obviously in the big game, he will be conservative if that is what it takes to win. I have a feeling they could have scored MANY more but decided to play smart, control the ball, and win a Texas High School Football State Championship trophy instead of putting on a show. I feel REALLY bad for the Celina QB, but thank goodness he is only a Junior and will get another crack at it. If they make it back to the state game, I have a pretty good feeling that they will be playing WOS again. Assuming any realignment puts them in the position to do so. I saw a post the WOS has 20 of 22 starters returning? YIKES, that is scary. Congrats again to WOS, one last day of high school football today!

Yeah, both teams were from Richmond, but I didn't get mixed up on the outcome of the Cuero and Celina games, did I? haha!

[XX Man]

What a great X Mas gift for WOS! They have been dominant all year and were again last night. I have always loved Celina and the tradition they have, but of course I was also happy for WOS and glad to see them win. Makes us Bellville folks feel a bit better about getting knocked out by them. Ya, sure, the game would have been different with the Celina QB in there, but like many have echoed, I believe the outcome would have been the same. WOS can score points, a lot of them. The WOS coach is smart, very smart. Obviously in the big game, he will be conservative if that is what it takes to win. I have a feeling they could have scored MANY more but decided to play smart, control the ball, and win a Texas High School Football State Championship trophy instead of putting on a show. I feel REALLY bad for the Celina QB, but thank goodness he is only a Junior and will get another crack at it. If they make it back to the state game, I have a pretty good feeling that they will be playing WOS again. Assuming any realignment puts them in the position to do so. I saw a post the WOS has 20 of 22 starters returning? YIKES, that is scary. Congrats again to WOS, one last day of high school football today!

I agree with this totally!. Yes, had the Celina QB stayed in, the game probably would have been more interesting, but the outcome would have been no different. I was, and still am disappointed at the way the broadcasters focused on Celina. Just like the screwball with the cowboy hat on FSW. They all tend to look down their nose at WOS, even with a 35 year football winning tradition.

[XX Man]

Ole' Bull, I think WOS has 9 men on each side of the line returning, with Jack Dallas returning as a Senior next year.

[Old QB]

Ole' Bull, I think WOS has 9 men on each side of the line returning, with Jack Dallas returning as a Senior next year.

In my humble opinion , Dallas was one of the major reasons for WOS success this year. Don,t think he has received enough credit in all of these posts. Very good athlete. WOS is a very talented, disciplined and well coached team.

[OLE'BULL]

There are a select number of teams like Celina that are always going to be talked about. They have won a lot of trophies. WOS has a great tradition of winning, and true football fans are aware of that. The talking heads on the high school level get paid mostly because they are good (or decent!) broadcasters, not because they are a wealth of knowledge when in comes to high school football in Texas. With Jack Dallas and most of the starters returning, WOS will be salty next year. They have a lot of athletes but there is no doubt Dallas is the leader who keeps things running smoothly. The WOS defense probably didn't get the recognition they deserve, they just flat out shut people down. Bellville doesn't score a ton of points, but we hit them with everything we had and we put up one field goal against them.

[Matthew328]

I love a lot of the guys on FSSW but the lack of statewide knowledge outside of Craig Way is kinda staggering

[Jchristian]

Ok, I have to chime in, and remember, my opinion and 50 cents will get you a cup of coffee.
I didn't have a dog in the hunt. In fact my team has never played either WOS or Celina. BUT!!!
You cannot take the most important Celina player off the field on the first drive of the game!!!!!
WOS may have won the game anyway and is a worthy STATE CHAMPION, but I sure would have liked to see both at full strength. Here's hoping for a rematch next year!

[XX Man]

In my humble opinion , Dallas was one of the major reasons for WOS success this year. Don,t think he has received enough credit in all of these posts. Very good athlete. WOS is a very talented, disciplined and well coached team.

Exactly. That is why that joke of a Purcell mad everyone so mad last year, running down Jack Dallas, saying he was not a very good athlete. Heck, he only led WOS to the Football and Baseball state finals last year. And then someone has the stupidity to say he is not a good athlete.

One thing that no one has said anything about, is the academic achievements of the WOS players. There are a lot of "A" students on the team. These boys don't just play hard, they play smart,

[chaingang]

I saw edgy play from both sides and probably shouldn't say this but I saw several instances where taunting should have been called on WOS but it wasn't. I played edgy in a loss way back when Moby Dick was a minnow. It wasn't smart to mouth off at me or my team when you were winning. ;) Not saying that was the case in this one, I wasn't live in person. Competitors hate losing and I'm sure some Celina players were stinging a little. They are all just kids and react as such.

Again Congrats to WOS. You earned this and it is not tainted.

Orange Machine, If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we would all have a Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas to all.

I saw zero dirty play from Celina. Now of course I'm not considering little pushes(we pushed a couple too, lol) and jaw jacking dirty, just football. I thought they were classy and was a good game. I've see some folks kinda complain about flags/penalties etc but the refs let the kids play yesterday. Unless it was obvious, they kept the hanky in the pocket. Yeah, there might have been some bad spots etc but that's football. Congrats to Celina on a great season. I pray that Conner is ok!! Hopefully clean break as those normally are when that happens. Clean break = fast healing. Also, does he play baseball???? Also, we had the best crowd yesterday!!!! Both teams combined!!

[chaingang]

Ok, I have to chime in, and remember, my opinion and 50 cents will get you a cup of coffee.
I didn't have a dog in the hunt. In fact my team has never played either WOS or Celina. BUT!!!
You cannot take the most important Celina player off the field on the first drive of the game!!!!!
WOS may have won the game anyway and is a worthy STATE CHAMPION, but I sure would have liked to see both at full strength. Here's hoping for a rematch next year!

Still people aren't understand what we mean. Yes, having Pingleton would have made a difference. But here is what would of happened. If Celina had even scored another TD or got within 2 TD's, WOS wouldn't have shut the play book in the beginning of 3rd Q. If Jack has the full plays ahead of him, this game would have been 46-10 or 50-17. WOS still wins

[lostaussie]

Still people aren't understand what we mean. Yes, having Pingleton would have made a difference. But here is what would of happened. If Celina had even scored another TD or got within 2 TD's, WOS wouldn't have shut the play book in the beginning of 3rd Q. If Jack has the full plays ahead of him, this game would have been 46-10 or 50-17. WOS still wins

This has me scratching my head. Not sure we watched the same game. WOS was impressive...... But they were not head and shoulders better than Celina. They were just better.

[bobcat1]

Still people aren't understand what we mean. Yes, having Pingleton would have made a difference. But here is what would of happened. If Celina had even scored another TD or got within 2 TD's, WOS wouldn't have shut the play book in the beginning of 3rd Q. If Jack has the full plays ahead of him, this game would have been 46-10 or 50-17. WOS still winsAnd that's your opinion and you absolutely know the playbook was shut and Celina would not have scored but 10-17 points. And here I thought Karnac was retired when Johnny Carson did. Conner Pingleton is a difference maker. I'm sure of it. That 1st drive was going right down WOS's throat up until the arm got broke. So I beg to differ but it's all ifs and buts and y'all won.

Take Jack Dallas out of the equation and I bet the outcome would have been different too had the roles reversed.

[CHS_89]

I want to say congrats to WOS. This one hurts and I am sad for the Celina seniors. It was a great football game...again congrats WOS and congrats to my Bobcats for a stellar season.

[PurplePop]

Both teams played their hearts out. Kids that play high school football work sooooo hard. And to do it for 16 weeks is almost too much to ask. At this point, both teams can be extremely proud. No real point in saying anything negative at all. Way to go Mustangs and Bobcats.

[WOS92]

Congrats to Celina on a great season and a hard fought game under difficult circumstances. I do believe the game would have been very different without the injury for both offenses. I can't verify that the "playbook was shut," but I know our play calling was much less aggressive than it was in the previous 15 games. Honestly, I was disappointed about the injury because I knew that we would be hearing a lot of invalidating noise. Fortunately, most Celina fans have been realistic and gracious, which I know is incredibly tough. I felt it last year.

In the end, I agree with Purcell's contention that the WO-S defensive line won this game by controlling the line and pent rating more than the Bobcats had anticipated - not to take anything away from Jack.

[wos_sports]

Ok everyone.... Yes we know it changed the game when the QB went out but not the outcome... One thing that is being over looked in some of the post is that our D-line gave your O-line a ride! That would not have changed at all. Y'all saw how he did against Gilmer with all the pressure. We have no idea how much it would have changed. I can I have no doubt that the over outcome would not have changed. Both QB would have had a ton of pressure. With the back up y'all still completed some huge plays but holding calls were to blame. Also we shut down number 5. No credit is given there. He was suppose to run all over us remember. I just think it's sad to hear half of the Celina fans try to take away from the Mustangs. For y'all to say the outcome would have been different is just wrong. No one knows that! So give credit where it is due.

Also y'all want to say if the shoe was on the other foot. Yes, if jack would have went down it would change things. But saying that we are rich with back up's so I still believe regardless the Mustangs would have left with the Gold.

[WOS92]

I would also like to give props to Jack Dallas, who came into last year as the third string quarterback as a sophomore. After the starter transferred to Westfield and the backup was kicked off the team for disciplinary reasons, Jack led his team to the state finals and went into halftime with a big lead. In the end, the better team, Gilmer, won. This year, he came in as the starter, but he was the only starter returning on offense.

[orange machine]

You people saying the game wouldn't have changed if Celina's qb was in there and that wos dline whooped Celina's oline fell to remember Celina had "NO" passing game when the qb got hurt. Pingleton would have been able to complete passes and keep the defense guessing. Instead wos loaded the box to stop the run. I don't see how yall don't get that? Congrats to wos you beat a team that lost their best player at the most important position. You are state Champs but Celina lost 50% of their offense when the qb got hurt and yes if Jack Dallas got hurt in the 1st qt instead of Celina's then Celina is state champs.

[wos_sports]

You people saying the game wouldn't have changed if Celina's qb was in there and that wos dline whooped Celina's oline fell to remember Celina had "NO" passing game when the qb got hurt. Pingleton would have been able to complete passes and keep the defense guessing. Instead wos loaded the box to stop the run. I don't see how yall don't get that? Congrats to wos you beat a team that lost their best player at the most important position. You are state Champs but Celina lost 50% of their offense when the qb got hurt and yes if Jack Dallas got hurt in the 1st qt instead of Celina's then Celina is state champs.




You are such a sore loser..You have yet to be a decent person and say congratulations.. All you give is back handed compliments. Maybe you should change your profile picture

[bobcat1]

Congrats to Celina on a great season and a hard fought game under difficult circumstances. I do believe the game would have been very different without the injury for both offenses. I can't verify that the "playbook was shut," but I know our play calling was much less aggressive than it was in the previous 15 games. Honestly, I was disappointed about the injury because I knew that we would be hearing a lot of invalidating noise. Fortunately, most Celina fans have been realistic and gracious, which I know is incredibly tough. I felt it last year.

In the end, I agree with Purcell's contention that the WO-S defensive line won this game by controlling the line and pent rating more than the Bobcats had anticipated - not to take anything away from Jack.Carrying on this conversation is really pointless. You and the rest of the WOS fans believe what you say and Celina fans believe what they say. As I said in my original post on this thread, Congrats to WOS. You earned it and it isn't tainted IMO. Also said the game was won on the line of scrimmage.... both sides. You play the cards you are dealt in football and life. Enjoy your Championship.

[orange machine]

You are such a sore loser..You have yet to be a decent person and say congratulations.. All you give is back handed compliments. Maybe you should change your profile picture

Are you serious? I mean it when I say congratulations yall did what you have to do, but because I'm a Christian I can't speak truth and have a different opinion on a football game?

[wos_sports]

Are you serious? I mean it when I say congratulations yall did what you have to do, but because I'm a Christian I can't speak truth and have a different opinion on a football game?

Your congratulations was backhanded. You said congrats wos you beat a team that lost their best player and y'all were 50%. That's not a real congratulations. It's not your opinion that's bothersome it's the lack of credit you give the winners. That's all

[44INAROW]

You people saying the game wouldn't have changed if Celina's qb was in there and that wos dline whooped Celina's oline fell to remember Celina had "NO" passing game when the qb got hurt. Pingleton would have been able to complete passes and keep the defense guessing. Instead wos loaded the box to stop the run. I don't see how yall don't get that? Congrats to wos you beat a team that lost their best player at the most important position. You are state Champs but Celina lost 50% of their offense when the qb got hurt and yes if Jack Dallas got hurt in the 1st qt instead of Celina's then Celina is state champs.

Jeez dude, get over it... Yes, losing your QB affected the game. That's part of the game....you're whining is an embarrassment to the great team Celina put on the field and more importantly, the fine folks of Celina. For a grown man to actually type "You are state Champs" BUT..... Seriously, that's just poor sportsmanship....and before you spout anything about what do I know? ..I've witnessed plenty of extremely close losses when we've lost key players... Yes, it hurts, pisses you off and it's just rotten but a very wise man/coach told his team after losing a game after losing his stud RB in a big game "I don't want to hear one man bitching about losing because 'so & so' went down". Real men don't make excuses...oh, that coach was William "Buster" Gilbreath... Google him..

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[orange machine]

Your congratulations was backhanded. You said congrats wos you beat a team that lost their best player and y'all were 50%. That's not a real congratulations. It's not your opinion that's bothersome it's the lack of credit you give the winners. That's all

I give yall credit for winning you should have won. I'm speaking the truth though that Celina was at a huge disadvantage and that's nobody's fault it is the fate Celina was handed.

[orange machine]

Jeez dude, get over it... Yes, losing your QB affected the game. That's part of the game....you're whining is an embarrassment to the great team Celina put on the field and more importantly, the fine folks of Celina. For a grown man to actually type "You are state Champs" BUT..... Seriously, that's just poor sportsmanship....and before you spout anything about what do I know? ..I've witnessed plenty of extremely close losses when we've lost key players... Yes, it hurts, pisses you off and it's just rotten but a very wise man/coach told his team after losing a game after losing his stud RB in a big game "I don't want to hear one man bitching about losing because 'so & so' went down". Real men don't make excuses...

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Is cussing allowed moderator?? If you don't like what I'm posting don't read it. I'm entitled to my opinion just like you and everybody here so how about you back off!!! I can talk about how bad it is Celina lost their qb and how I think things would have been different.

[bobcat1]

Is cussing allowed moderator?? If you don't like what I'm posting don't read it. I'm entitled to my opinion just like you and everybody here so how about you back off!!! I can talk about how bad it is Celina lost their qb and how I think things would have been different.

Dude. Chill out. Seriously.

[chaingang]

Is cussing allowed moderator?? If you don't like what I'm posting don't read it. I'm entitled to my opinion just like you and everybody here so how about you back off!!! I can talk about how bad it is Celina lost their qb and how I think things would have been different.

So because a poster quoted a great coach with a "cuss word" your asking a mod to step in? Dude, we all realize that losing your QB was huge. We aren't saying it wasn't. We're saying that most likely, we still win. Y'all would maybe have more points but we would have too. We wouldn't have stopped passing in the 3rd Q. The beef is when we were beat by Gilmer last year(lost to the better team) we all congradulated them. Yeah, a few of us were upset about the block in the back on DT's punt return but also said we probably still would have lost. Maybe only by 3 instead of 10, but still lost. Your attitude is like a 10yr old that takes his ball and goes home because he doesn't like to hear or believe the truth. With all that said, I'm done with the subject. Celina played their butts off considering the circumstances and how about think about what the backup is feeling after being thrown to the wolves. Kid didn't get flustered. Tried as hard as he could. I for one am proud that we got the trophy but I'm also proud that we had the chance to play 2 storied programs in one season. And back to back. (Cuero and Celina). If your just a TXHS football fan in general, that's special right there. Anyway congrats Celina in a great game and who knows, if we're lucky enough to both make good runs next season, you might get that chance at a rematch. Of course there will be teams that we both have to beat that will be better than this past year. I.E, Wharton, Cuero, Gilmer etc......

[orange machine]

Dude. Chill out. Seriously.

Why please inform me what I'm doing wrong???

[bobcat1]

Why please inform me what I'm doing wrong???
If you don't know being a grown ass man, me telling you won't fix it.

[orange machine]

So because a poster quoted a great coach with a "cuss word" your asking a mod to step in? Dude, we all realize that losing your QB was huge. We aren't saying it wasn't. We're saying that most likely, we still win. Y'all would maybe have more points but we would have too. We wouldn't have stopped passing in the 3rd Q. The beef is when we were beat by Gilmer last year(lost to the better team) we all congradulated them. Yeah, a few of us were upset about the block in the back on DT's punt return but also said we probably still would have lost. Maybe only by 3 instead of 10, but still lost. Your attitude is like a 10yr old that takes his ball and goes home because he doesn't like to hear or believe the truth. With all that said, I'm done with the subject. Celina played their butts off considering the circumstances and how about think about what the backup is feeling after being thrown to the wolves. Kid didn't get flustered. Tried as hard as he could. I for one am proud that we got the trophy but I'm also proud that we had the chance to play 2 storied programs in one season. And back to back. (Cuero and Celina). If your just a TXHS football fan in general, that's special right there. Anyway congrats Celina in a great game and who knows, if we're lucky enough to both make good runs next season, you might get that chance at a rematch. Of course there will be teams that we both have to beat that will be better than this past year. I.E, Wharton, Cuero, Gilmer etc......

No I'm not asking for a moderator to step in 44INAROW is a moderator I'm just asking if it's ok to cuss on this board? Again if people don't like what I or anybody says don't read or respond to it, its very simple. Again wos did what they needed to do they deserve it. I don't apologize for being more opinionated or speaking my mind.

[bobcat1]

I'd like to first Congratulate West Orange Stark (Winners of State). That is one fine football team. Tip of the cap to you. :2thumbsup

Congrats to the Celina Bobcats also. You had a great year. Losing QB1 hurt but you have to play 11..... next man up. Today wasn't your day but you played with heart and fought to the finish.

The game was won in my opinion on the line of scrimmage.... both sides. But what do I know.
And I end my posting on this thread quoting myself. I meant it then and I mean it now. Congrats WOS. Hopefully we see you again.

Thinking back on this year. WOS, Cuero, Celina and Gilmer. Who could have asked for any other more storied programs to be the final 4. Like a WOS poster said, if you are a high school football fan, it don't get any better than that except to have WOS and Celina as the final 2.

[orange machine]

If you don't know being a grown ass man, me telling you won't fix it.

Ok so now your the pc police gotcha.

[lostaussie]

No I'm not asking for a moderator to step in 44INAROW is a moderator I'm just asking if it's ok to cuss on this board? Again if people don't like what I or anybody says don't read or respond to it, its very simple. Again wos did what they needed to do they deserve it. I don't apologize for being more opinionated or speaking my mind.

Whine away.........I'm kind of enjoying your whine.........with a little cheese:D

[bobcat1]

Ok so now your the pc police gotcha.
Sorry I couldn't resist this one last post. Name calling? really? Cool. Reminds me of the old saying, sometimes it's better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. ;)

Merry Christmas to all.

[1stnurseryman]

Why please inform me what I'm doing wrong???

Wow it's true every village does have one..

[orange machine]

Whine away.........I'm kind of enjoying your whine.........with a little cheese:D

Lol I've been tame all year long and I post an opinion on the game and everybody gets all upset and people want to know what's wrong with the world you can't say anything without offending someone.

[44INAROW]

Wow it's true every village does have one..

Dang, you beat me💚


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[lostaussie]

It ain't changing nothing though

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[orange machine]

Dang, you beat me��


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Because I don't agree with you or some of yall and I have a different opinion I'm an idiot as insinuated???

[bd62]

No I'm not asking for a moderator to step in 44INAROW is a moderator I'm just asking if it's ok to cuss on this board? Again if people don't like what I or anybody says don't read or respond to it, its very simple. Again wos did what they needed to do they deserve it. I don't apologize for being more opinionated or speaking my mind.

There meds that can help you. Sure looks like you could use some.

[chaingang]

Hey Bobcat1, I watched the replay today and Coach Thompson was asking your coach about Pingleton right after the handshake. I couldn't hear him but it looked like he said the word "surgery" any updates? Mustang Nation is seriously concerned about him.

[orange machine]

There meds that can help you. Sure looks like you could use some.

Good one!! I guess it's wrong to have a different opinion.

[orange machine]

Funny thing is there are many, many Celina people who feel the same way I do they just won't say stuff publicly. Of course it's sad that you people are getting all upset because I think the outcome "Could" have been different if Celina's qb doesn't get hurt. Again this is a huge problem with our world today everybody gets offended over everything.

[bobcat1]

Hey Bobcat1, I watched the replay today and Coach Thompson was asking your coach about Pingleton right after the handshake. I couldn't hear him but it looked like he said the word "surgery" any updates? Mustang Nation is seriously concerned about him.

One more posts because I was asked. I heard from a very reliable source. Clean break no surgery needed. Best it could have been.

[WOS1]

In my humble opinion , Dallas was one of the major reasons for WOS success this year. Don,t think he has received enough credit in all of these posts. Very good athlete. WOS is a very talented, disciplined and well coached team.
I agree, Jack makes the wheel turn.

[WOS87]

I'm just reading all this and ugh!!! 44INAROW has been reprimanded for cussing on the forum and she has been given her very own imaginatively special punishment! Let it all out orange machine. It's fine. We know how it feels to lose a bit more than you... We've lost the last 3 state finals we were in. We also know something about game/season changing events... i.e. Hurricanes Rita and Ike and the unfortunate death of one of our players on the field not too long ago! When WOS uses the phrase 112% it refers to him. #12. So keep going. It's a free country, there is a first amendment but that amendment entails people being able to respond to you just as freely so you can say what you want. If Rangermom or LHPanthermom were here they'd prolly be a bit more draconian but we've been there, it hurts and I know how it feels. Hope you and yours have a blessed Christmas!

[WOS1]

Is cussing allowed moderator?? If you don't like what I'm posting don't read it. I'm entitled to my opinion just like you and everybody here so how about you back off!!! I can talk about how bad it is Celina lost their qb and how I think things would have been different.
I think some of you Celina folk need to put this guy on suicide watch...

[orange machine]

I think some of you Celina folk need to put this guy on suicide watch...

Lol come on man I'm far from that.

[orange machine]

I'm just reading all this and ugh!!! 44INAROW has been reprimanded for cussing on the forum and she has been given her very own imaginatively special punishment! Let it all out orange machine. It's fine. We know how it feels to lose a bit more than you... We've lost the last 3 state finals we were in. We also know something about game/season changing events... i.e. Hurricanes Rita and Ike and the unfortunate death of one of our players on the field not too long ago! When WOS uses the phrase 112% it refers to him. #12. So keep going. It's a free country, there is a first amendment but that amendment entails people being able to respond to you just as freely so you can say what you want. If Rangermom or LHPanthermom were here they'd prolly be a bit more draconian but we've been there, it hurts and I know how it feels. Hope you and yours have a blessed Christmas!
Thank you for understanding and I will now drop the issue. Seriously congratulations to the 2015 West Orange Stark Mustangs it was a pleasure to watch yall play!!!

[XX Man]

And that's your opinion and you absolutely know the playbook was shut and Celina would not have scored but 10-17 points. And here I thought Karnac was retired when Johnny Carson did. Conner Pingleton is a difference maker. I'm sure of it. That 1st drive was going right down WOS's throat up until the arm got broke. So I beg to differ but it's all ifs and buts and y'all won.

Take Jack Dallas out of the equation and I bet the outcome would have been different too had the roles reversed.

Everyone knows that your QB would have made a difference. What I am saying is that the outcome would not have changed, meaning WOS would still have won. If Dallas would have been out of the game, WOS has a jam up back up QB in Senior Peyton Robertson.

[OldBison75]

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts---we would all have a Merry Christmas. Look, I understand that some believe the game would have been different if the Celina QB had not been injured, However, that is part of the game of football. It is how your team responds in adversity that makes you great. Navasota lost very valuable parts of their offense in both State Championship years and found a way to keep winning. This year, the losses to injuries caught up with us. We were not the same team by playoff time as we were to start the season. But, we understood that those losses were part of the game and our luck was not as good as some other years. Celina will be back next year to compete for the SC as will WOS. Hopefully both will come back healthy and maybe make it back for a rematch.

[RPF2666]

Hey Bobcat1, I watched the replay today and Coach Thompson was asking your coach about Pingleton right after the handshake. I couldn't hear him but it looked like he said the word "surgery" any updates? Mustang Nation is seriously concerned about him.

Turned out surgery WAS NOT necessary. He was taken to A&M where a family member is an Ortho Dr.

He'll be fine... young bones!

You guys have been great, enjoy your win.

Celina can accept the loss with dignity (most of us, anyway)!

[WOS1]

Turned out surgery WAS NOT necessary. He was taken to A&M where a family member is an Ortho Dr.

He'll be fine... young bones!

You guys have been great, enjoy your win.

Celina can accept the loss with dignity (most of us, anyway)!

Well, thats awesome news! I've been praying for that young man. Maybe he'll get another shot at it next year! My nephew is a Jr at Celina, hoping they have another great year in his senior year.

[Sweetwater Red]

Turned out surgery WAS NOT necessary. He was taken to A&M where a family member is an Ortho Dr.

He'll be fine... young bones!

You guys have been great, enjoy your win.

Celina can accept the loss with dignity (most of us, anyway)!


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[chaingang]

Well, thats awesome news! I've been praying for that young man. Maybe he'll get another shot at it next year! My nephew is a Jr at Celina, hoping they have another great year in his senior year.

???

Didnt know that.

[chaingang]

This is going to be an odd request but Im mad at myself for not doing it. Any of you Celina peeps have a pic of our crowd from your side? Would be greatly appreciated if someone could post one. I havent seen a good pic yet and know we had many people there.

[Jchristian]

What has happened to cause WOS to drop in enrollment over the years?

[XX Man]

The Ship Yards closed, the Navy Base closed, and Industry has cut back on their workers. It is a job thing. Jobs cut back, and people left the area.

[Jchristian]

That's a shame..... Thanks for the response!

[XX Man]

You people saying the game wouldn't have changed if Celina's qb was in there and that wos dline whooped Celina's oline fell to remember Celina had "NO" passing game when the qb got hurt. Pingleton would have been able to complete passes and keep the defense guessing. Instead wos loaded the box to stop the run. I don't see how yall don't get that? Congrats to wos you beat a team that lost their best player at the most important position. You are state Champs but Celina lost 50% of their offense when the qb got hurt and yes if Jack Dallas got hurt in the 1st qt instead of Celina's then Celina is state champs.

Totally disagree. WOS defense shut your offensive line down, That does not change. and if Dallas got hurt, a very talented and capable Robertson steps in and does the same thing that Dallas did.

[WOS1]

Totally disagree. WOS defense shut your offensive line down, That does not change. and if Dallas got hurt, a very talented and capable Robertson steps in and does the same thing that Dallas did.

Dude, you are as long winded as OM... Maybe you guys should start your own forum so yall can go back and forth with one another... I think that whole topic has been beat up enough, why don't we move on?

[XX Man]

Dude, you are as long winded as OM... Maybe you guys should start your own forum so yall can go back and forth with one another... I think that whole topic has been beat up enough, why don't we move on?

WOS was 18 weeks getting to the SC. They worked their rear ends off to get here, and you want me to just forget it in 2 days? We went back and forth with Ennis for 2 years, after they beat us, with some lasting friendships established. If you don't care for what I post, just don't read or respond.

[chaingang]

What has happened to cause WOS to drop in enrollment over the years?

There are also 4 Highschools in the greater Orange area. An area of only around 40K people. West Orange-Stark(4AD2) Orangefield(4AD2) Little Cypress-Mauriceville(4AD1) and Bridge City(4AD1). WOS and LCM are actually in the city of Orange. Orangefield is outside the city limits but still Orange. Bridge City is its own city but you can see their stadium lights from the top of WOS stadium on a Friday night. All are within a few miles of each other. The only "growing" school is Orangefield because that is really the only area that has land available to build.

[XX Man]

There are also 4 Highschools in the greater Orange area. An area of only around 40K people. West Orange-Stark(4AD2) Orangefield(4AD2) Little Cypress-Mauriceville(4AD1) and Bridge City(4AD1). WOS and LCM are actually in the city of Orange. Orangefield is outside the city limits but still Orange. Bridge City is its own city but you can see their stadium lights from the top of WOS stadium on a Friday night. All are within a few miles of each other. The only "growing" school is Orangefield because that is really the only area that has land available to build.,
Actually, there is land to build housing in the WO district. Most are not aware of this, but heading north on FM1130, from FM1078, almost to Wilkinson Cemetery Rd, all the land on the left is WOC-CISD. It takes a left (west) off of 1130, in the first curve past the Country Corner store, and cuts across to Hwy 62, about 2 miles north of 1078. And all the land from there south, to about the old Rice Dryer is in WO district. But, what is the use of building houses, if there is no one to buy them?

[WOS87]

There were also two hurricanes that devastated the city of Orange as it is anywhere from 8 to 30 feet above sea level depending on where you are. Sabine Lake is essentially the Gulf of Mexico and it borders Port Arthur, Bridge City and from there it's only two miles up the Sabine river to Orange/West Orange. Port Arthur has a seawall/levee... Bridge City and Orange don't. The eye of Rita went directly over Orange and the 20 foot storm surge of Ike covered Bridge City and Orange in 10-20 feet of water. My sister and aunt both had MAJOR damage to their homes and had to completely rebuild and a lot of the town lost their homes completely. The WOS coaches actually took in some of the players because they had no where to live during those times if I recall. There are still vacant lots inside of downtown Orange from homes that had to be demolished and were never rebuilt. The shipyard was a big deal and the rest of the story is everyone leaving town to move out to the country. WOS used to be twice the size of LCM but the north side of Orange has had some major housing development pop up in the last 30 years because of less taxes and other reasons I won't talk about.