Brownwood Lions (11-2) vs Abilene Wylie (11-2)

[clcannon17]

I heard that they are going to mandate that they remove the bb's and replace them with Styrofoam peanuts....

And the gas cans have to be replaced with cardboard boxes lol.

[clcannon17]

.....and the players can switch teams from week to week

Only with Katy's permission though.

[91 lion]

Ok...enough of this day....I gotta hit the sack...I wonder if Katy and the uil are still up chatting tonight?

[warpig]

Well, looks like a touchback, but gamefilm will show true answer.

being an ex official and being in attendance of the game, I couldn't tell where the player and ball went out of bounds. But it was obvious that the ball did land out of bounds. So the ruling should have been = the ball being placed back to where the player had last possession and by the looks of the photo, it should have been placed somewhere around the 1 yardline. I didn't see any officials close enough to make the correct ruling but a guess is never good for any team.

A touchback would have been the correct call had the ball crossed the goal line fumbled out of bounds or out of the end zone. I didn't see the ball cross the goal line.

[BwdLion73]

Uh... No. Fumble well short.

I was making light of the fact that you could not see anything in the video. Sarcasm.

I was only 1200 miles away so I have to go by the cc mom/GP77 photo shop. :wave:

Good Luck and keep winning!

[wyliefan]

Here is link to a video with the last play (starts out with an interview). It appears that the QB fumbled the ball into the end zone. Not sure why they marked the ball at the 2. On a side note #52 appears to be holding #30 at the LOS. https://www.facebook.com/westtexasscoreboard/videos/1027657477297779/

[hollywood]

Here is link to a video with the last play (starts out with an interview). It appears that the QB fumbled the ball into the end zone. Not sure why they marked the ball at the 2. On a side note #52 appears to be holding #30 at the LOS. https://www.facebook.com/westtexasscoreboard/videos/1027657477297779/

Hard to tell from that angle on the video but I have seen the picture. Clearly a fumble. And I agree, AW #30 was being held by BW #52.

[91 lion]

Hard to tell from that angle on the video but I have seen the picture. Clearly a fumble. And I agree, AW #30 was being held by BW #52.

Very hard to tell. To me, it looks like the were trying to determine the spot where he fumbled bc it appears the ball went out on the outside of the pylon and not into the endzone.....so no touchbsck. I took a screenshot of where it looks like he was starting the fumble (which is where the ball should be placed since it went out of bounds) and it he still had possession well past the 2. If someone wants to post it, PM me and I'll send it to you.

[95mustang]

I'm not going to get into the last play argument. I don't want to take away from the game itself. It was a hard fought game. Brownwood had more first downs and more yards than Wylie. The difference in this game was the pick 6 and Wylie capitalized on the Brownwood fumble. Great defensive battle. Congrats to Wylie on the win and to Brownwood for the wonderful ride we were taken on this season. We came up a few yards short. We will be back!

[slingshot]

I'm not going to get into the last play argument. I don't want to take away from the game itself. It was a hard fought game. Brownwood had more first downs and more yards than Wylie. The difference in this game was the pick 6 and Wylie capitalized on the Brownwood fumble. Great defensive battle. Congrats to Wylie on the win and to Brownwood for the wonderful ride we were taken on this season. We came up a few yards short. We will be back!Other big difference was we pretty well shut down their run game and contained them for 3 1/2 quarters. When Brownwood went into desperation mode and started throwing it nearly every play with 5 minutes to go down 14-0 they nearly pulled even. Nearly. Great game--both teams absolutely played their hearts out.

On a side note: We are very young also and will be loaded next year. Tons of starting underclassmen in key roles... Big D lineman #89? Jr. #30? Soph. #32 that ran the pic-6 back 93 yards? Soph. #19 that broke up the TD pass on 3rd down in the endzone at the end? Jr. #12 RB/LB? Jr. etc, etc...

[toddg]

Bertrand from this years freshman team projected to be QB next year and beyond?

[JVDAD]

Based on where the official is, my bet is the 2 was his best guess as to where he crossed the sideline. He clearly still has possession at the 2 but he is all ready stretched and appears to be out at that point. That looks like a really good call.

[clcannon17]

I think that it was a first down. Guess this will just have to come down to opinions. No sense in arguing over what's already done. Both teams have had really good years, and that's something the refs can't take away from us. I said that nothing that happens in this game would change how proud I am of them. I have really high hopes for the future of this team and wish the best to all our seniors. This has been one of the most passionate group of kids that I've ever watched play football. I hold no grudges against Wylie and hope them the best as well. I am sad that our season is over but proud that we lasted this long. I will say I hope we never get this crew of refs again because of the sloppy job not only on the last play, but throughout the game. Both teams deserved better than that.

The great news is that realignment is just around the corner, so there is still plenty to look forward to. Not to mention 7 on 7 which will be a short time after that. One thing for sure, the passion that this town has for our Brownwood Lions is second to none! Amazing how we filled the home side of a 16,000 capacity stadium.
This has been a glorious season to behold.

[football crazy]

Hard to tell from that angle on the video but I have seen the picture. Clearly a fumble. And I agree, AW #30 was being held by BW #52.

check video during pick six return.. #69 BW is blocked in the back at the 11

[slingshot]

check video during pick six return.. #69 BW is blocked in the back at the 11Pushed in the shoulder, 5 yards behind the play. Not a block in the back. Game is over guys... get over it.

[briandumith*]

it seems this argument happens after every great game between great teams... I am just as guilty as the rest.. I for one will NO LONGER make this argument anymore for any game...It scares the effort of these fine young men.. This should be considered a game of the ages.. because it was...

[clcannon17]

check video during pick six return.. #69 BW is blocked in the back at the 11

Nothing you can say will get rid of the feeling of getting cheated, and nothing we can say will help you understand, best thing we can do is let things be, or else the arguments might get heated.

[slingshot]

*nm*

[clcannon17]

*nm*

Anyways shouldn't you be preparing to go eagle hunting. :cheerl:

[95mustang]

it seems this argument happens after every great game between great teams... I am just as guilty as the rest.. I for one will NO LONGER make this argument anymore for any game...It scares the effort of these fine young men.. This should be considered a game of the ages.. because it was...

Precisely why I chose not to argue one way or the other. Someone had to lose just happened it was my Lions this time around. There were non calls all over the field for both teams. Refs are human which means they aren't perfect. The young men for both teams played their hearts out. That's what I'm choosing to harp on!

[ccmom]

Precisely why I chose not to argue one way or the other. Someone had to lose just happened it was my Lions this time around. There were non calls all over the field for both teams. Refs are human which means they aren't perfect. The young men for both teams played their hearts out. That's what I'm choosing to harp on!

Amen!! It' is HARD to be on the losing end of a heart breaker. Wylie fans know this well! Double OT in the 2008 semi's vs Prosper comes to mind. There are still people who are angry about what they considered a bad call on the 2 point conversion that won the game for Prosper. I have never chosen to take that road. When you are in a battle to the end, someone is gonna walk away disappointed. It's a yucky feeling, but getting into petty arguments takes away from the accomplishments of both teams.

[JVDAD]

it seems this argument happens after every great game between great teams... I am just as guilty as the rest.. I for one will NO LONGER make this argument anymore for any game...It scares the effort of these fine young men.. This should be considered a game of the ages.. because it was...

:iagree:

[slingshot]

Precisely why I chose not to argue one way or the other. Someone had to lose just happened it was my Lions this time around. There were non calls all over the field for both teams. Refs are human which means they aren't perfect. The young men for both teams played their hearts out. That's what I'm choosing to harp on!This. There were blown and missed calls all game long against both sides--EQUALLY. No one was cheated. To say otherwise really does stain the game and the effort that both teams gave--that is just wrong. I will say this: If Brownwood had played at the same level the first 43 minutes as they did the last 5 they might have won handily... glad they did not flip the switch earlier. An argument could also be made that Wylie let up and began celebrating too early when we held the Lions on 4th down to take possession with a 14-0 lead with 6 minutes to play. That drop off in intensity nearly cost us the game. Do have to hand it to the Brownwood kids--they never quit and just kept firing. Can't say the same for a lot of your fans--they started leaving in droves at the 6 minute mark. I would suspect at the end of the game 40% or more had already left. Nearly missed an incredible comeback.

And with that, I am out. Will leave it to the other arm-chair QB's to argue this one out. Time to move on to Argyle and the Semi's...

[JVDAD]

:iagree:
Precisely why I chose not to argue one way or the other. Someone had to lose just happened it was my Lions this time around. There were non calls all over the field for both teams. Refs are human which means they aren't perfect. The young men for both teams played their hearts out. That's what I'm choosing to harp on!

There is a real emphasis in HS to let the kids play the game, and only call those fouls that affect the outcome of the play, as it should be. If they called every foul that occurred games would take 8hrs! The other alternative is no officials, let's try that one! Hats off to those that devote their free time to officiating youth sports!

[91 lion]

:iagree:

So do I. As much as it leaves a bitter taste, Wylie won and deserves all the credit for doing so. They know that they were in a dog fight and that we were a worthy opponent....that pushed them to the limit...you can't ask for more in a regional championship game.

Good luck Wylie! This Lion is rooting for you...

[clcannon17]

Amen!! It' is HARD to be on the losing end of a heart breaker. Wylie fans know this well! Double OT in the 2008 semi's vs Prosper comes to mind. There are still people who are angry about what they considered a bad call on the 2 point conversion that won the game for Prosper. I have never chosen to take that road. When you are in a battle to the end, someone is gonna walk away disappointed. It's a yucky feeling, but getting into petty arguments takes away from the accomplishments of both teams.

My sentiments exactly. No use in senseless bickering.

[JVDAD]

This. There were blown and missed calls all game long against both sides--EQUALLY. No one was cheated. To say otherwise really does stain the game and the effort that both teams gave--that is just wrong. I will say this: If Brownwood had played at the same level the first 43 minutes as they did the last 5 they might have won handily... glad they did not flip the switch earlier. An argument could also be made that Wylie let up and began celebrating too early when we held the Lions on 4th down to take possession with a 14-0 lead with 6 minutes to play. That drop off in intensity nearly cost us the game. Do have to hand it to the Brownwood kids--they never quit and just kept firing. Can't say the same for a lot of your fans--they started leaving in droves at the 6 minute mark. I would suspect at the end of the game 40% or more had already left. Nearly missed an incredible comeback.


And with that, I am out. Will leave it to the other arm-chair QB's to argue this one out. Time to move on to Argyle and the Semi's...
TRUE THAT! Got to play the full 48 had the opportunity to put away and didn't get it done! The lions nearly made us pay the price!

[LionFan72]

Wow, what a game! CONGRATS TO THE ABILENE BULLPUPS ON WINNING Regional Chamionship!

Simple enough, we didn't score enough to remove the refs from making bad calls. Brownwood's Fault! The kids played their hearts out, both sides, left it on the field. I personally am very proud of this 2015 edition of the Lions! Great job achieving an exceptional year! We shall return, and prove the lessons we learned. Congrats seniors, you stepped up and lead this team beyond all expectations!! Leadership skills that will place you in a small percentage of people!

Bad Calls by the refs or non calls by the refs, were made against both teams, no excuses from me! Although it was bad, the game itself was an incredible defensive battle, and another epic battle.

Good luck to the Bulldogs next week, and represent Region 1.

[Eagle 1]

Here is link to a video with the last play (starts out with an interview). It appears that the QB fumbled the ball into the end zone. Not sure why they marked the ball at the 2. On a side note #52 appears to be holding #30 at the LOS. https://www.facebook.com/westtexasscoreboard/videos/1027657477297779/
Wow, after watching that video you can clearly see how far the ref was out of position to make that call. My hope is the chapter that done this game uses this as a learning tool and doesn't make mistakes like that again.

[91 lion]

Wow, after watching that video you can clearly see how far the ref was out of position to make that call. My hope is the chapter that done this game uses this as a learning tool and doesn't make mistakes like that again.

Unfortunately they will make more mistakes (being out of position...not the call). Just yesterday, you had a line judge RIGHT ON THE LINE of the ACC championship game fir an onsides kick...and called offsides on a play that was not offsides by at all....and these are NCAA officials....so my belief is that the mistakes will continue....it's just part of the game.....human element...

And on another note....while this was a low point for officiating, hats off to the men and women that take on the endeavor....it's not like the pay is outstanding.....they are out there because they love football just as much as the rest of us fans...

[LionFan72]

Wow, after watching that video you can clearly see how far the ref was out of position to make that call. My hope is the chapter that done this game uses this as a learning tool and doesn't make mistakes like that again.

Video and pics show only one perspective, out of positioning happens, looking at all the video evidence shown here does not conclude anything, leading to more speculation.

The refs do the best they can, they are only human! Without the NFL type camera systems we have become so used to watching, their job is safe! Thanks for doing the hard job and running up and down the field with 16-18 year olds! I would be so out of position might as well be sitting in the press box!

[Deuce]

Someone posted a pick on FSFF app and it looks pretty clear that the ball was fumbled into the end zone. Unless that pic is very deceiving, it should have been a touchback.

[Eagle 1]

Video and pics show only one perspective, out of positioning happens, looking at all the video evidence shown here does not conclude anything, leading to more speculation.

The refs do the best they can, they are only human! Without the NFL type camera systems we have become so used to watching, their job is safe! Thanks for doing the hard job and running up and down the field with 16-18 year olds! I would be so out of position might as well be sitting in the press box!

No speculation here. I was at the game and noticed all night the refs were spotting the ball in the wrong spot. In fact if you look at the video, the ref starts running back towards the 50 yard line instead of running down the side line with the football. Helen Keller can see that. Lol

[JVDAD]

Geeze...TASO is always looking for new blood, I suggest all of those griping about the officiating in any game or sport for that matter contact your local chapter and sign up! I yell as loud as the next guy when I perceive a call against my team was bad, but once it is done it is done. If a team makes enough plays it takes officiating out of the equation.