Graham and Kaufman Facing Possible One Year 7 on 7 SQT Ban

[Matthew328]

https://theoldcoach.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1766820

Big news for the summer as Graham has won the title in back to back years

[CP3Dad]

I don't see anything in that article about a one year ban...why the thread title?

[Matthew328]

http://www.texas7on7.com/rules--forms.html

Fighting: the player(s) involved will be ejected from the game and tournament. If a team fight occurs, the teams involved will be ejected from the tournament and denied participation in any/all state qualifying tournaments! They will also be disqualified from participating in the state tournament.

[CP3Dad]

Thanks for the update...seems pretty simple...both teams are gone. ..see you in September.

[Cam]

https://theoldcoach.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1766820

Big news for the summer as Graham has won the title in back to back years

What triggered the brawl?...Does anyone know?........I'll bet it was all Greendawg's fault!....

[CP3Dad]

Probably start with the score...usually hurts some feelings

[Matthew328]

Chippy game all along....two kids from both sides got chunked first half....second half still chippy Kaufman kid tackles a Graham kid...Graham kid pushes him off..Kaufman kid sucker punches Graham kid....Graham center flies in and spears Kaufman kid..benches empty..parents involved...police called....not good

[CP3Dad]

Team building exercise...gotta stand up...good luck in the Fall.

[briandumith*]

Graham will be at the tourney..

[Matthew328]

Graham will be at the tourney..

It would be a first in my years of covering State 7 on 7 to see a team involved in something like that be allowed at the State Tournament. The rule is clear, cut and dried and there's zero tolerance...I think a bad precedent would be set by overruling the decision of the tournament officials and allowing Graham to participate at State...JMO

[Yoe_09]

It would be a first in my years of covering State 7 on 7 to see a team involved in something like that be allowed at the State Tournament. The rule is clear, cut and dried and there's zero tolerance...I think a bad precedent would be set by overruling the decision of the tournament officials and allowing Graham to participate at State...JMO

Absolutely.

Now, has something similar to this taken place in the past?

[Matthew328]

Absolutely.

Now, has something similar to this taken place in the past?

Yes plenty of times

[buckeyebob]

NEW RULES FOR 2015

● Teams that MUST participate in Division I are those within 5A or 6A (public) and the SPC or TAPPS Division I (private). Teams that meet this criteria are not permitted to participate in Division II.

● The Team Zone will be an area on the sideline where only team members may be during game play. This will be the area from the 15 yard line to the 30 yard line. Players and coaches may not be out of the Team Zone during game time.

● There will be a flat fee of $300 per team for all Division I tournaments. This is regardless of minimum number of players on the roster. Maximum roster size is 20 players. ● There will be a flat fee of $250 per team for all Division II tournaments. This is regardless of minimum number of players on the roster. Maximum roster size is 20 players.

●Fans MUST sit behind their team when they are playing. However, after the contest, they must relinquish their position to the fans of the team schedule to play.



7ON7 STATE CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNAMENTS

A. The tournament will be divided into two divisions: Division I (5A-6A; SPC-TAPPS Div 1) and Division II (1A-4A; others)

B. Each division will divide into sixteen groups of four and play a round-robin (3 games each team)

C. The top two teams from each pool will then be entered into a 32 team single elimination championship tournament. The remaining 32 teams will then be entered into a single elimination consolation tournament.

D. If there is a tie in pool play, head-to-head is the first tie breaker, total points scored is second, total points allowed will be third. After that, we will flip a coin! Once a winner has been determined, we will revert back to head-to-head to determine the other places. Note: in a 3-way tie, only the scores of games between teams in the tie will be counted.

E. A team removed from any state qualifying tournament for fighting will not be allowed to participate in the state tournament for that particular year.

F. Any team leaving the state tournament causing forfeiture of a scheduled game, will result in said team being kept out of all state qualifying tournaments

[Deuce]

I heard this morning that we are officially out of the tournament.

[slingshot]

Graham will be at the tourney..


I heard this morning that we are officially out of the tournament.OK?... bummer for the Steers if they are out.

[briandumith*]

Well at least they will have lots of practice time..hehe....uhhha

[buckeyebob]

Absolutely.

Now, has something similar to this taken place in the past?

Most teams behave.

[Deuce]

I might get bashed for this, but I don't have a problem with the way our boys reacted in this game. Kaufman kid was obviously looking to start trouble when he put a cheap shot on the smallest kid on the field!

[YTBulldogs]

I agree Deuce. Kid's knew the consequences and handled the situation themselves. Might pay off when it really matters this fall.

[slingshot]

I might get bashed for this, but I don't have a problem with the way our boys reacted in this game. Kaufman kid was obviously looking to start trouble when he put a cheap shot on the smallest kid on the field!...and that is why I am not a fan of 'Zero Tolerance' policies in general. Several years ago one of my sons was constantly being verbally and physically harassed by a bully at school. School knew the kid was a bully, several complaints had been filed--they essentially did nothing. I (being the old-school parent I am) taught my son basic boxing technique and how to defend himself. He did. Kid pushed him in the back into a crowd of people, my son turned around and decked him. They both were punished severely and equally with OCS. I did not have a problem at all with what my son did--school approached me wanting my son to have 'anger management counseling'. I laughed...

[briandumith*]

I think Graham could use this as fuel for the coming year...not that I think they need it but a Lil edge to u you might not be so bad...lemonade

[movethechain]

I'm hoping both Graham and Kaufman players are not lowering themselves to Dallas Roosevelt standards. :rolleyes:

[Deuce]

I'm hoping both Graham and Kaufman players are not lowering themselves to Dallas Roosevelt standards. :rolleyes:

Lol, u serious with that nonsense?

[Cam]

are ya'll sure this wasn't all Greendawg's fault??....

[bearbear78]

Well, let's see.....nevermind.

[hollywood]

M.C. Hammer

[hollywood]

In times like this, I always wonder.... What would Madea do?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHsBK722Yqw&sns=em


"Yeah, but when the gotters get me I'm goin' da get my glock!"

LOL!!!

[Deuce]

After seeing the YouTube video of the fight, I absolutely have no problem with the way Graham reacted to what happened!

[marler1972]

After seeing the YouTube video of the fight, I absolutely have no problem with the way Graham reacted to what happened!

No matter what there is no place for fighting in 7 on 7. Glad they suspended both teams. While Graham did not start this fight they retaliated and both benches cleared so both teams got what they deserved.

[Steernation]

No matter what there is no place for fighting in 7 on 7. Glad they suspended both teams. While Graham did not start this fight they retaliated and both benches cleared so both teams got what they deserved.

I am sure youre glad LOL. Im proud of those steers for doing what they did. Its not just a team, its a family with the graham kids. Clearly Graham has class and doesnt start fights, but when it comes down to it if one of the kids needs it every person on the team is ready to fight. The way graham football works is you are taught that its much more than a team, its more or less a bunch of brothers. You have each others backs on and off the field, for life. I am very glad to see that nothing has changed since i have graduated.

[Red&White_9x5]

Ok, I don't have a dog in this fight but I can't believe some of the responses, especially from the Graham folks. I completely understand your point of your team sticking together and battling for one another. HOWEVER, how on earth can you say you are happy and proud of this event. Whether they were provoked or not, your kids chose to respond and stoop to the level of the provokers. Had this happened on a Friday night in a district game or a playoff game would you still be proud? Whether or not your kids instigated this (and I know they didn't), their reaction is just as bad. And back to my question, had this happened in a district game or a playoff game, if your kids responded the way they did here, everyone would have suffered the consequences. In a perfect world your kids wouldn't have been provoked and this wouldn't have happened. But this isn't a perfect world and teaching students athletes important life long lessons such as: life isn't fair, two wrongs don't make a right, take the high road, etc..... is more important than anything else

[marler1972]

I am sure youre glad LOL. Im proud of those steers for doing what they did. Its not just a team, its a family with the graham kids. Clearly Graham has class and doesnt start fights, but when it comes down to it if one of the kids needs it every person on the team is ready to fight. The way graham football works is you are taught that its much more than a team, its more or less a bunch of brothers. You have each others backs on and off the field, for life. I am very glad to see that nothing has changed since i have graduated.

Just so you know my son is graduating this year, so I have no dog in the fight. As for class what about the parent from Graham that hit one of the Kaufman kids? The fella with the camo shirt with cut off sleeves?

[Deuce]

No matter what there is no place for fighting in 7 on 7. Glad they suspended both teams. While Graham did not start this fight they retaliated and both benches cleared so both teams got what they deserved.

I agree. You break the rules and you are out! Don't have a problem with the decision. But when a receiver gets absolutely leveled coming across the middle, I would expect things to get very heated!

[marler1972]

I agree. You break the rules and you are out! Don't have a problem with the decision. But when a receiver gets absolutely leveled coming across the middle, I would expect things to get very heated!The refs should have thrown the kids out in the 1st half that got into it. Refs are to blame in not taking control early.

[Deuce]

The refs should have thrown the kids out in the 1st half that got into it. Refs are to blame in not taking control early.

From my understanding the refs did throw out 2 kids in the first half.

[Deuce]

Ok, I don't have a dog in this fight but I can't believe some of the responses, especially from the Graham folks. I completely understand your point of your team sticking together and battling for one another. HOWEVER, how on earth can you say you are happy and proud of this event. Whether they were provoked or not, your kids chose to respond and stoop to the level of the provokers. Had this happened on a Friday night in a district game or a playoff game would you still be proud? Whether or not your kids instigated this (and I know they didn't), their reaction is just as bad. And back to my question, had this happened in a district game or a playoff game, if your kids responded the way they did here, everyone would have suffered the consequences. In a perfect world your kids wouldn't have been provoked and this wouldn't have happened. But this isn't a perfect world and teaching students athletes important life long lessons such as: life isn't fair, two wrongs don't make a right, take the high road, etc..... is more important than anything else

Had it happened in a playoff game there would have never been a fight in the 1st place! The Kaufman kid essentially form tackled our kid and then sucker punched him and knocked him out. He would have been escorted off the field in a split second! Hard for 16-18 year old kids to take the high road when something like that happens!

[Steernation]

Just so you know my son is graduating this year, so I have no dog in the fight. As for class what about the parent from Graham that hit one of the Kaufman kids? The fella with the camo shirt with cut off sleeves?

I have no idea about a parent hitting someone, never saw that. Thats a bit much and uncalled for. I figured you had a dog in the fight when you said you were glad they were DQed makes it easier to get to the championship right? Haha i dont blame you. The refs did eject two in the begining, but i agree the refs could have handled this a little better than running off of the field. I agree with you and deuce, i dont have a problem with the teams being DQed. Rules are rules and the boys knew what they were getting once the decided to defend their team member. a few graham players tweeted that they understand the result of what happened but they had to protect their player. Thats respectable i believe.
No i do not support fighting at any point. Fighting is almost never the answer, but at the point where you have the choice of watching a team member thats defenseless get the crap beat out of them, or defend him, the choice is clear to me, and most anyone else i would believe.
Marler you say you have a dog in the fight right?
What would you tell him in the same situation? Would you say watch your defensless team member get whailed on, or defend him like hes your brother?
I think we both know the answer to that.

[briandumith*]

https://youtu.be/NwlW9-Vdgy8 okay everyone. .here is the video..judge for yourself. ... I say Graham is clearly defending each other...

[Leopard4Life]

https://youtu.be/NwlW9-Vdgy8 okay everyone. .here is the video..judge for yourself. ... I say Graham is clearly defending each other...

Whoever posted that should take it down. Just provides more evidence. Right now it is he said, she said and a lot of inaccurate eye witness's.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
- Abraham Lincoln

[briandumith*]

Whoever posted that should take it down. Just provides more evidence. Right now it is he said, she said and a lot of inaccurate eye witness's.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
- Abraham Lincoln
I am not taking it down.....ever heard of youtube... not like it was hard to find....and the fact is clear.. graham was defending itself and here is the proff..sorry if you don't like it...god bless

[Leopard4Life]

I am not taking it down.....ever heard of youtube... not like it was hard to find....and the fact is clear.. graham was defending itself and here is the proff..sorry if you don't like it...god bless

Wow, guess you didn't understand my comment. Whoever posted the youtube video should take it down, it is very obvious you posted here and I wasn't telling you to take your post down. If the OP of the youtube video deletes it then your link would break.

The way the Graham kid hit the other kid from behind was far from defense. I don't have any issue with the Graham kid taking that punk out. You pull a punk move you pay a price. It's a team (boys of fall) mentality. Mess with one of us, you get us all. My point was legally with the Authorities and with the UIL. Simply don't provide videos.

[briandumith*]

Wow, guess you didn't understand my comment. Whoever posted the youtube video should take it down, it is very obvious you posted here and I wasn't telling you to take your post down. If the OP of the youtube video deletes it then your link would break.

The way the Graham kid hit the other kid from behind was far from defense. I don't have any issue with the Graham kid taking that punk out. You pull a punk move you pay a price. It's a team (boys of fall) mentality. Mess with one of us, you get us all. My point was legally with the Authorities and with the UIL. Simply don't provide videos.
Guess you missed the first hit...hehe remove the beer goggles at least till beer thrity....

[Leopard4Life]

Guess you missed the first hit...hehe remove the beer goggles at least till beer thrity....

Guess you don't read well... I clearly saw the first hit, hence why I said the punk deserved being taken out from behind. Thanks for the idea though, happy hour starts soon, maybe we can converse later once I've numbed my brain a little... Then we might be on the same wavelength.

[briandumith*]

Guess you don't read well... I clearly saw the first hit, hence why I said the punk deserved being taken out from behind. Thanks for the idea though, happy hour starts soon, maybe we can converse later once I've numbed my brain a little... Then we might be on the same wavelength.
Hehe I like it..accually I did miss read it so sorry for that..but it is friday..

[briandumith*]

went through the video frame to frame and I see no parent hitting any kid.. I see parents breaking it up... but no parent or grown up hitting anyone

[Matthew328]

I dont have a huge issue w/the Graham kids sticking up for one of their own....I get it....heat of the battle etc....but I do have a problem with the way some of the adults in Graham have acted....the rules are clear about fighting there's no exceptions...so take the punishment move on and deal with it....don't try and find a "loophole" or say we didnt start it...bottom line was there was a fight..Graham's kids have been very mature about it...they understand it was something they felt they had to do and they have to accept the punishment....Graham's adults? Not so much...lets find a way around it....Glad the State 7 on 7 Board stuck to their decision

As for the Graham adults and the accusations of assault etc on Kaufman kids....I do know the police were called to the scene...I'm sure if anything ever came of it we'll find out...until then its all rumor etc

[Steernation]

I dont have a huge issue w/the Graham kids sticking up for one of their own....I get it....heat of the battle etc....but I do have a problem with the way some of the adults in Graham have acted....the rules are clear about fighting there's no exceptions...so take the punishment move on and deal with it....don't try and find a "loophole" or say we didnt start it...bottom line was there was a fight..Graham's kids have been very mature about it...they understand it was something they felt they had to do and they have to accept the punishment....Graham's adults? Not so much...lets find a way around it....Glad the State 7 on 7 Board stuck to their decision

As for the Graham adults and the accusations of assault etc on Kaufman kids....I do know the police were called to the scene...I'm sure if anything ever came of it we'll find out...until then its all rumor etc

I agree, the kids handeled the punishment quite well. The kids know what the rules are and take full responsibility, I find that classy. The parents trying to get the dq lifted is something that I would expect, not saying it's right but who wants their kids team dqed? After two years of winning and three years of going In a row, the parents look forward to 7 on 7. in my opinion, the parents are probably apart of the reason there would be no possible chance of it being appealed and lifted. They reacted very poorly from what I have heard ( I wasn't there so it's all rumors at this point)

[briandumith*]

It's all good because the Graham team is going to Florida to complete in the 7 on 7 national tournament. ... So all is well

[bearbear78]

High road? Lmao.....telling the boys to take that BS is not a high road. Fire your shots if you please but I don't care. I've raised my son's to stand toe to toe with Godzilla and not be ran over. If you lose you lose , bite em if you have to, but don't EVER start it!!!

The Steers are brothers and that's just how it is!! They stood their ground and defended and that's where zero tolerance is crap! Check us out in Florida , haters.

[Snotbubbles]

It's all good because the Graham team is going to Florida to complete in the 7 on 7 national tournament. ... So all is well

Knock 'em out in Florida Graham. :wave:

[jason]

The kid from kaufman should be in jail