Washington Redskins at Dallas Cowboys on Monday Night Football

[Scoop27]

Looking forward to see how Colt McCoy will look tonight

[full circle]

me too, picking himself up off the turf about ten or so times!

[Ranger354]

Fear the Star!!!!

[coach]

Can we use Redskins on this board or is someones feelings going to get hurt even though the term has been used for 60 years and ppl are just now starting to complain.

[buff4ever]

can we use redskins on this board or is someones feelings going to get hurt even though the term has been used for 60 years and ppl are just now starting to complain.

exactly

[Rabid Cougar]

Looking forward to see how Colt McCoy will look tonight

Kill the freakin' Redskins..... Colt McCow included!!!!!!

[Scoop27]

Cowboys probably win but still hope Colt has a good game

[Bullaholic]

This is not going to be a very PC NFL game tonight---the Cowboys are going to whup up on the Indians just like in all the old movies...

[Txbroadcaster]

Be wary of the MNF Cowboy vs Redskins...always sems to be strange games with unexpected results

[Bullaholic]

...always sems to be strange games with unexpected results

We're not talking about your and G2's broadcasts here, ya know TXB.....:D

[Txbroadcaster]

We're not talking about your and G2's broadcasts here, ya know TXB.....:D

Hey he is the one who keeps bringing the goat not me

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Be wary of the MNF Cowboy vs Redskins...always sems to be strange games with unexpected resultslol that's what i'm thinking going to happen. Ugly win tonight but a win is a win in the NFL. hope i'm wrong!

[ronwx5x]

Cowboys got their SWAGGER back!!!

[Farmersfan]

Cowboys got their SWAGGER back!!!



Not seeing much of a reason for swagger so far! Romo has been horrible.....

[Farmersfan]

Are we seeing a return of the old Dallas Cowboys?

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Are we seeing a return of the old Dallas Cowboys?
LOL!!!!!!!!

7-1 after tonight jfyi

[Roughneck93]

The RB's have been horrible.....

[Roughneck93]

Bryant...:clap:

[eagleqb_14]

Well screw my thread right? Cowboys will beat WASHINGTON! I see a big game for Tony and Dez.

[Roughneck93]

http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2398396/dezzzz.0.gif

[eagleqb_14]

The Cowboys defense playing well tonight IMO. very aggressive.

[regaleagle]

Don't underestimate the disdain the Skins have for the Cowboys, though. They would love nothing more than to get a few turnovers and capitalize on them, then turn this game into a close contest in the 4th quarter. And don't underestimate Colt playing in front of his family and friends. Ain't nothing that easy in the NFL these days on a weekly basis.

[Macarthur]

Not seeing much of a reason for swagger so far! Romo has been horrible.....

Good grief.

[Macarthur]

Defensive fundamentals not as good this week. Not tackling well.

[Farmersfan]

Good grief.


Good Grief what? Romo is being outplayed by a McCoy who is a 3rd string backup. McCoy has called 2 GREAT audiable on this 1st drive of the second half.............

[Macarthur]

Good Grief what? Romo is being outplayed by a McCoy who is a 3rd string backup. McCoy has called 2 GREAT audiable on this 1st drive of the second half.............

That's not what you said. You said romo has been horrible. He hasn't been horrible. If they don't have two fumbles they have 14-17 points at half.

[Roughneck93]

Oh wow....

[Saggy Aggie]

Weeden time!

[Macarthur]

Run the ball!

[defense51]

Run the ball!

I couldn't agree more! Why stop at the five yard line?

[regaleagle]

Yep, run the ball is right. Two passes, even though the last one was there, is not playing to the strength of the offense right now.

[garageoffice]

One major difference between Dez Bryant and Michael Irvin becomes apparent on plays like the missed slant for the touchdown. Michael Irvin ALMOST NEVER let a ball get into his arms and body. Even on a rifle shot from Aikman, he stretched his hands out in front of him so the defender on his hip couldn't make a play. Dez often uses his arms and body on catch attempts, allowing defenders a better chance of making a play on it.

[Macarthur]

Defense playing very poorly tonight.

[Saggy Aggie]

Defense playing very poorly tonight.

I just turned on the game so idk... But they've only given up 10 pts to the 4th qtr.... Can't be that bad.

[Saggy Aggie]

Lol....

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Lol....


7-1 lol thanks for commenting :)

[Farmersfan]

Isn't it amazing how nice this offense works without Romo in there screaming "kill, kill, kill" and letting the clock run down and having to scream at them to "hurry, hurry, hurry"? LOL

[defense51]

Huge play by the Cowboys defense!

[Macarthur]

Bad miss by Murray on the pick up. Guy ran right past him.

[defense51]

Williams is becoming a star receiver for the Cowboys!

[bearbear78]

What a sloppy game

[Farmersfan]

Huge play by the Cowboys defense!


And then the completely inept Romo led offense is dinking 5 yard passes. Why wouldn't they keep a arm like Weeden in the game?

[Saggy Aggie]

Man it woulda been so awesome for Tony to come in and immediately lose the game

[defense51]

Man it woulda been so awesome for Tony to come in and immediately lose the game

Saggy, I'm starting to think that you don't like the Cowboys...:foul:

[defense51]

That was a horrible coin toss by the ref!!!

[Saggy Aggie]

Hey did you guys know that colt McCoy and Jordan Shipley were roommates at Texas?

[Scoop27]

Skins by a field goal in overtime-Cowboys possession coming up

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Skins by a field goal in overtime-Cowboys possession coming up


Scoop!!!! I thought you'll be asleep by now

[Cam]

That was a horrible coin toss by the ref!!!

....sure was!...it kinda stuck to his palm....he musta been scratchin' his arse at halftime...sticky hands.....

[Farmersfan]

Romo manages to give his team a big loss! He should have stayed in the damn dressing room...............................

[Saggy Aggie]

Hahahaha somehow we all knew the cowpies would lose the game they should've won

Thanks Tony

[SintonFan_inAustin]

6-2!!! still take it. Bump in the schedule tonight back to normal next week.

[Scoop27]

Have to give Colt credit for the win even though he made some bad throws decisions but he didn't have pick.

[Txbroadcaster]

Have to give Colt credit for the win even though he made some bad throws decisions but he didn't have pick.

yea he did

[Bullaholic]

What an uninspired Cowboy effort. Nice effort by the Skins and Colt McCoy.


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[Macarthur]

Romo manages to give his team a big loss! He should have stayed in the damn dressing room...............................

Romo wasn't good but this was a team loss. Both RBs fumble, at least one took points off the board. The defense let colt freaking McCoy go 25-30. Unacceptable.

[Macarthur]

Defense gave up 6.7 yards per play to colt McCoy.

[PhiI C]

Usually the Cowboys slump in November and December and that is when Romo starts getting injured. Looks like they all started early this year. Same ole Cowboys.

[hookandladder]

How bout them cowboys, Colt took them down. Hookem.

[Txbroadcaster]

Romo had a 95.7 rating and a TD..if he was not healthy enough to play after sack then that is on coaches for not stepping in and saying no not tonight.

Defense has been inspired but tonight we saw what happens if a team has time to carve them up and a 3rd team QB did just that...still in 1st have to move on from this

[cougartino]

Cowboys lost because they didn't make the proper adjustments.

[bobcat1]

9 minutes left in overtime you get 8 yards on first down and you do what???? Start passing??? What terrible play calling! Run the ball down their throat! Rolando McLain or Barry Church couldn't tackle my Mom tonight and she is bed ridden. Where was the blitz pickups? You can't block 7 with 6 anytime. I hope I can get to sleep tonight I am so pissed off. Looks like the old Cowboys are back. We got beat by Jim Haslet's blitzes and like Mac said Colt Freakin' McCoy. The Cowboys and the Coaches must be reading their press clippings. I knew better than to believe in them.

[83Indian]

Don't get it on first down you run for 7 yards then throw the ball 3 straight times. I guarantee you they could have run the ball 3 out of 4 times and scored. Romo clearly injured and this game not worth risking more injury. Please stay in the press box jerry

[Txbroadcaster]

9 minutes left in overtime you get 8 yards on first down and you do what???? Start passing??? What terrible play calling! Run the ball down their throat! Rolando McLain or Barry Church couldn't tackle my Mom tonight and she is bed ridden. Where was the blitz pickups? You can't block 7 with 6 anytime. I hope I can get to sleep tonight I am so pissed off. Looks like the old Cowboys are back. We got beat by Jim Haslet's blitzes and like Mac said Colt Freakin' McCoy. The Cowboys and the Coaches must be reading their press clippings. I knew better than to believe in them.

Just remember this is the NFL...when you think one thing will happen, the other does.

[bobcat1]

Romo was higher than a Kite when he came back. Poor Poor decision to put him back in. Weeden can drive the bus. He accounted for 10 points when Romo was in the locker room getting doped up. This wasn't a 2 minute offense type drive we needed! There were 9 minutes left!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Txbroadcaster]

Romo was higher than a Kite when he came back. Poor Poor decision to put him back in. Weeden can drive the bus. He accounted for 10 points when Romo was in the locker room getting doped up.

He accounted for 7 and that is awesome..the other drive was Murray and then two passes that were incomplete ( WHY is what I ask)

[cougartino]

Romo was higher than a Kite when he came back. Poor Poor decision to put him back in. Weeden can drive the bus. He accounted for 10 points when Romo was in the locker room getting doped up. This wasn't a 2 minute offense type drive we needed! There were 9 minutes left!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They bought that stuff from Big Smokey on Reed Road in Houston.

[YTBulldogs]

Poor decision trusting a QB with two major back surgery's. Especially after Aikman stated how just one, did him in. Matter of time, a wrong hit, a already bad back, goes out. Yes, he had so much morphine on board at the end, he wasn't feeling nothing. I know, I know--Romo was setting the world on fire prior. But, it was borrowed time due to back. I think Weeden is our hope. Romo gave it a try, but--a bad back and being at that position, don't work over repeated times on your butt.

[Macarthur]

One of our biggest weaknesses bit us big time. No pass rush. We got one late but colt had all day.

Also those two fumbles were just killers.

[Macarthur]

Poor decision trusting a QB with two major back surgery's. Especially after Aikman stated how just one, did him in. Matter of time, a wrong hit, a already bad back, goes out. Yes, he had so much morphine on board at the end, he wasn't feeling nothing. I know, I know--Romo was setting the world on fire prior. But, it was borrowed time due to back. I think Weeden is our hope. Romo gave it a try, but--a bad back and being at that position, don't work over repeated times on your butt.

You have to wonder how the back will hold up.

[bobcat1]

One of our biggest weaknesses bit us big time. No pass rush. We got one late but colt had all day.

Also those two fumbles were just killers.

Agree but that is not all. I saw poor tackling all night on defense. That is why they could not get off the field.

[Macarthur]

Still in a good spot though. Just one game. Can't overreact. Hopefully lineman will learn from this.

[cougartino]

Okay time to start a new winning streak!

[Macarthur]

Agree but that is not all. I saw poor tackling all night on defense. That is why they could not get off the field.

Yep. Poor tackling and the fumbles

[Txbroadcaster]

RIGHT NOW reports are just a bruise to the back from the knee shot and everyone was being safe. We shall see.

[YTBulldogs]

Should of injected with Succinylcholine instead of morphine, and kept him down till the game was over.

[Cam]

9 minutes left in overtime you get 8 yards on first down and you do what???? Start passing??? What terrible play calling! Run the ball down their throat! Rolando McLain or Barry Church couldn't tackle my Mom tonight and she is bed ridden. Where was the blitz pickups? You can't block 7 with 6 anytime. I hope I can get to sleep tonight I am so pissed off. Looks like the old Cowboys are back. We got beat by Jim Haslet's blitzes and like Mac said Colt Freakin' McCoy. The Cowboys and the Coaches must be reading their press clippings. I knew better than to believe in them.

It's OK bobcat....everything is gonna be fine....it's the NFL....wacky stuff...if they win this game, they would've lost next week to Arizona.....now, I'm guessing the Boys will beat Arizona...
here's a little ditty to cheer you up:

Romo took a shot with a knee up his back,
He too will not rest good sleep he will lack,
But Saggy was happy while eating some cake,
Mentioned two fellas who once were roommates,
Contusion for Romo just above his butt crack........

[Macarthur]

Don't forget when we had to settle for that FG. Should have run Murray three times. Linehan outsmarted himself tonight.

[bd62]

I think I would usethe legs of Murray especially after easily running 8 yds on first down. He was not really stopped all nite
After a few Murray runs that would have slowed down that blizz and then play action. This is NFL coaches that don't understand
there best options and fall back to the old ways. Especially with Tony not 100 percent.
Hats off to Colt on a good game. He a winner.

[cougartino]

For the Cowboys it's time to go back to the one who brought 'em to the dance: Feed Murray the rock!

[Macarthur]

I think I would usethe legs of Murray especially after easily running 8 yds on first down. He was not really stopped all nite
After a few Murray runs that would have slowed down that blizz and then play action. This is NFL coaches that don't understand
there best options and fall back to the old ways. Especially with Tony not 100 percent.
Hats off to Colt on a good game. He a winner.

Agree. Tried to get cute instead of pounding the rock.

[defense51]

Should of injected with Succinylcholine instead of morphine, and kept him down till the game was over.

Dang YT, you don't mess around! Succinylcholine- a nicotinic acetylcholine receptor agonist, used to induce muscle relaxation and short-term paralysis. It is sometimes used in combination with analgesics and sedatives for euthanasia and immobilization of horses.

[Cam]

Should of injected with Succinylcholine instead of morphine, and kept him down till the game was over.

Succi....succinyl....succinwhat??.....is that anything like Robitussin??.....YT, are you a doctor?...or did you just stay at a Holiday Inn last night??.....

[Cam]

ahh hell....I'm goin' to bed.....goodnight everybody.....

[Macarthur]

Here's another frustrating thing. With that many blitzes, you have to get dez more opportunities. Although, you have to give their CBs credit. They played tight coverage. Our CBs gave coshion all nite long even on third down.

[defense51]

Here's another frustrating thing. With that many blitzes, you have to get dez more opportunities. Although, you have to give their CBs credit. They played tight coverage. Our CBs gave coshion all nite long even on third down.

Those blitzes reminded me of the Buddy Ryan defense in Philadelphia.

[GodleyEast]

HTTR!

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/static/img/fantasy/transparent/200x200/MCC603149.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1zJeGf-gpc

[Txbroadcaster]

This game shows the issue with the D..when the opponent controls the clock, the D will struggle and they did tonight. They made a guy who has not started since 2011 look like a all pro

[GrTigers6]

Focus was not there last night. Too many fumbles, dropped passes, missed assignments etc. They needed to lose to come back to reality. Now we can see what kind of team they really are. If they can bounce back and beat the Cards Sunday then we know they are the team we hope they are. If they lose then its same ole Cowboys

[hookandladder]

This game shows the issue with the D..when the opponent controls the clock, the D will struggle and they did tonight. They made a guy who has not started since 2011 look like a all pro

Other then a few passes a little off target, McCoy played well. Kid knows the game and has a solid arm and quick release, Colt is just a winner. Bottom line, Hookem.

[bobcat1]

This morning I feel no different. Feed Murray the ball and let the line do what they do best. Change protection when 7 are coming. Hold onto the ball. Tackle (McLain and Church). Get a pass rush, get your hands on their receivers, contain Colt. Moving on now.

[Macarthur]

This morning I feel no different. Feed Murray the ball and let the line do what they do best. Change protection when 7 are coming. Hold onto the ball. Tackle (McLain and Church). Get a pass rush, get your hands on their receivers, contain Colt. Moving on now.

Fair point. Gotta move on. We knew they were not going to go 15-1. There was going to be some slip ups. And these division games are generally very close because these teams know each other very well. Haslet always had a good defensive game plan for the Cowboys. Two examples, I think the year the Skins won the Superbowl, the only win for JJ's first year was against the skins. Weird things happen in these games.

[Txbroadcaster]

Fair point. Gotta move on. We knew they were not going to go 15-1. There was going to be some slip ups. And these division games are generally very close because these teams know each other very well. Haslet always had a good defensive game plan for the Cowboys. Two examples, I think the year the Skins won the Superbowl, the only win for JJ's first year was against the skins. Weird things happen in these games.

That was why I said it earier..be weary of Skins vs Dallas on MNF, strange things happen.

Durant being done for year is a bigger issue than the loss

[Macarthur]

Yes, Durant has been playing well. Hopefully, Lawrence coming back will give the pass rush a boost.

[GrTigers6]

What I still Don't understand is why we don't blitz like Washington did especially against an inexperienced QB. he had all day to throw the ball

[Bullaholic]

Newsflash---The Redskins have provided the blueprint for beating the Cowboys---the jailbreak blitz because apparently the Cowboys don't have a single RB who can/will pick up freerushers. That, folks, will get you beat most of the time.

[Deuce]

Play calling at the end of the game was maddening but the missed tackles were just as maddening. Defense got exposed for what it actually is! BELOW AVERAGE!!

[full circle]

Defense is not average or below average. And Murray is excellent on blitz pickup. This was a typical Redskin-Cowboy game, didn't expect anything different. Church missed a few tackles and from that point forward was not nearly as aggressive as he has been. Fumbles hurt, but biggest reason for loss was reverting back to throwing too much. Feed Murray and I think we win. Completely different team when we have a run no matter what mindset.

[coach]

What scares me is that we went back to our old ways. Pass happy offense. There was three seperate times that we gashed the defense with a run then passed on back to back plays. Our defense couldnt tackle and our secondary was awful. The entire game plan was horrendous. I hope we get back to 2014 football with Arizona. I say we need 4 wins to make the playoffs. What is so maddening about this loss is a win puts us in the driver seat, but now we almost have to go at least 3-1 against our divison the rest of the way. Good thing we are getting Demarcus Lawrence back this week.

[Macarthur]

What scares me is that we went back to our old ways. Pass happy offense. There was three seperate times that we gashed the defense with a run then passed on back to back plays. Our defense couldnt tackle and our secondary was awful. The entire game plan was horrendous. I hope we get back to 2014 football with Arizona. I say we need 4 wins to make the playoffs. What is so maddening about this loss is a win puts us in the driver seat, but now we almost have to go at least 3-1 against our divison the rest of the way. Good thing we are getting Demarcus Lawrence back this week.

Yeah, there were quite a few frustrating things. I know we got that late sack which may have affected our view, but our pass rush was virtually non-existent last night. I still can't believe McCoy went 25-30. Sure hope Lawrence adds some rush.

[Farmersfan]

I think most people are ignoring the obvious issues here. Anybody who felt this defense was a good defense hasn't been paying attention. In fact the defense played almost exactly like they have been playing the entire season. They have averaged allowing 21 points a game and they gave up 20 last night. (really only 17 in regulation). And that was to a offense that averages over 400 yards and 21 points a game. On the other hand the offense for Dallas has been scoring 27 a game and they scored 17 last night against a defense that gives up 25 a game. We had these ridiculous conversations all season last season! Some of you guys have a extraordinary expectation of a bad defense while attempting to limit the blame on a very, very potent offense that underperforms. The Facts are that the entire team didn't seem ready to play. But the effectiveness of the offense was 100% in the hands of the QB. D. Murray ran for 141 yards and I'm guessing at least 6 to 8 called run plays were changed at the line by Romo. The QBR rating is a rating of how effective a QB is and isn't simply dependent on limited stats. Romo had a 16 QBR last night. By contrast Colt McCoy had almost a 80 QBR rating.......................................The standard ESPN QB rating for Romo was 95 and 94 for McCoy! Only a really blind football dimwit would think McCoy wasn't by far the better QB last night.

[Farmersfan]

What scares me is that we went back to our old ways. Pass happy offense. There was three seperate times that we gashed the defense with a run then passed on back to back plays. Our defense couldnt tackle and our secondary was awful. The entire game plan was horrendous. I hope we get back to 2014 football with Arizona. I say we need 4 wins to make the playoffs. What is so maddening about this loss is a win puts us in the driver seat, but now we almost have to go at least 3-1 against our divison the rest of the way. Good thing we are getting Demarcus Lawrence back this week.


When you have a 12 million a year franchise QB and the weapons Romo has a "pass happy offense" shouldn't be a bad thing.......................

[GrTigers6]

I think most people are ignoring the obvious issues here. Anybody who felt this defense was a good defense hasn't been paying attention. In fact the defense played almost exactly like they have been playing the entire season. They have averaged allowing 21 points a game and they gave up 20 last night. (really only 17 in regulation). And that was to a offense that averages over 400 yards and 21 points a game. On the other hand the offense for Dallas has been scoring 27 a game and they scored 17 last night against a defense that gives up 25 a game. We had these ridiculous conversations all season last season! Some of you guys have a extraordinary expectation of a bad defense while attempting to limit the blame on a very, very potent offense that underperforms. The Facts are that the entire team didn't seem ready to play. But the effectiveness of the offense was 100% in the hands of the QB. D. Murray ran for 141 yards and I'm guessing at least 6 to 8 called run plays were changed at the line by Romo. The QBR rating is a rating of how effective a QB is and isn't simply dependent on limited stats. Romo had a 16 QBR last night. By contrast Colt McCoy had almost a 80 QBR rating.......................................The standard ESPN QB rating for Romo was 95 and 94 for McCoy! Only a really blind football dimwit would think McCoy wasn't by far the better QB last night.Really farmersfan? Romo coudnt do anything because as soon as he set up to throw he had to dodge someone or go down. And he still managed to move the ball only to have your blessed Murray fumble it once again. Along with Randall

[coach]

When you have a 12 million a year franchise QB and the weapons Romo has a "pass happy offense" shouldn't be a bad thing.......................

When you have a 50 yard run down to the 4 yard line and then dont run it again with a backup qb then yes a pass happy system is a bad thing.

[coach]

I think most people are ignoring the obvious issues here. Anybody who felt this defense was a good defense hasn't been paying attention. In fact the defense played almost exactly like they have been playing the entire season. They have averaged allowing 21 points a game and they gave up 20 last night. (really only 17 in regulation). And that was to a offense that averages over 400 yards and 21 points a game. On the other hand the offense for Dallas has been scoring 27 a game and they scored 17 last night against a defense that gives up 25 a game. We had these ridiculous conversations all season last season! Some of you guys have a extraordinary expectation of a bad defense while attempting to limit the blame on a very, very potent offense that underperforms. The Facts are that the entire team didn't seem ready to play. But the effectiveness of the offense was 100% in the hands of the QB. D. Murray ran for 141 yards and I'm guessing at least 6 to 8 called run plays were changed at the line by Romo. The QBR rating is a rating of how effective a QB is and isn't simply dependent on limited stats. Romo had a 16 QBR last night. By contrast Colt McCoy had almost a 80 QBR rating.......................................The standard ESPN QB rating for Romo was 95 and 94 for McCoy! Only a really blind football dimwit would think McCoy wasn't by far the better QB last night.

I dont think anyone has said our defense is good.

[Macarthur]

There's the old FF. He just can't wait to blame Romo for everything.

I don't think anyone here thinks Romo had a great game. I notice you never mentioned that Murray had a very critical fumble that took points off the board and missed at least two critical blitz pickups.

As to the defense, sure, they're not good, but they have been tackling much better than they did last night and you simply can't ignore the fact that they were playing against a guy that had not started an NFL game since 2011. And you let him go 25-30 and the skins averaged 10 yards per play in the 3rd quarter. That is really bad even by the Cowboys standards.

But don't let that stop you from laying it all at Romo's feet again.

[GrTigers6]

They are playing better. but I wouldn't call them good either. They do swarm to the ball and at times can be lights out but other times just make you scratch your head

[GrTigers6]

There's the old FF. He just can't wait to blame Romo for everything.

I don't think anyone here thinks Romo had a great game. I notice you never mentioned that Murray had a very critical fumble that took points off the board and missed at least two critical blitz pickups.

As to the defense, sure, they're not good, but they have been tackling much better than they did last night and you simply can't ignore the fact that they were playing against a guy that had not started an NFL game since 2011. And you let him go 25-30 and the skins averaged 10 yards per play in the 3rd quarter. That is really bad even by the Cowboys standards.

But don't let that stop you from laying it all at Romo's feet again.
Not to mention Morris had 10 carries for 80 yards. Now Im not the best mathematician but that seems to figure out to 8 yards per carry

[Macarthur]

BTW, you just can't seem to get past this money thing, either. Romo's salary is just under $12 million this year. You do realize that is 14th in the league! That's right. 14 QBs are making more money than Romo this year. You need to move past the money thing because all NFL QBs are making big money unless they are on their rookie deals.

http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/cap-hit/quarterback/

[Scoop27]

Colt had a super showing for a first time starter with the exception of a few bad passes in the first half-Too bad that he may not be starting anymore with RGIII coming off the injured list

[Txbroadcaster]

I think most people are ignoring the obvious issues here. Anybody who felt this defense was a good defense hasn't been paying attention. In fact the defense played almost exactly like they have been playing the entire season. They have averaged allowing 21 points a game and they gave up 20 last night. (really only 17 in regulation). And that was to a offense that averages over 400 yards and 21 points a game. On the other hand the offense for Dallas has been scoring 27 a game and they scored 17 last night against a defense that gives up 25 a game. We had these ridiculous conversations all season last season! Some of you guys have a extraordinary expectation of a bad defense while attempting to limit the blame on a very, very potent offense that underperforms. The Facts are that the entire team didn't seem ready to play. But the effectiveness of the offense was 100% in the hands of the QB. D. Murray ran for 141 yards and I'm guessing at least 6 to 8 called run plays were changed at the line by Romo. The QBR rating is a rating of how effective a QB is and isn't simply dependent on limited stats. Romo had a 16 QBR last night. By contrast Colt McCoy had almost a 80 QBR rating.......................................The standard ESPN QB rating for Romo was 95 and 94 for McCoy! Only a really blind football dimwit would think McCoy wasn't by far the better QB last night.

Actually QBR is dependent on very limited stats and I like the QBR but it like every other stat does not tell the story 100%

[Txbroadcaster]

I should say..I like it for what it is. I still prefer QB rating and it's imperfection because it is based on numbers and nothing else

[Eagle 1]

The next game will tell how good the Cowboys are.
If we win, then everything is ok.
If we barely lose, well then jury is still out.
If they get beat by 14 or more points.....well then I don't see them making the playoffs again.

I think it's important that they rebound and put this one behind. The offense better work on pass blitz protection and start throwing short hitch passes to get the ball out of Romo's hand quicker. I think the run offense still good, so I hope they don't abandon that.

[GrTigers6]

The next game will tell how good the Cowboys are.
If we win, then everything is ok.
If we barely lose, well then jury is still out.
If they get beat by 14 or more points.....well then I don't see them making the playoffs again.

I think it's important that they rebound and put this one behind. The offense better work on pass blitz protection and start throwing short hitch passes to get the ball out of Romo's hand quicker. I think the run offense still good, so I hope they don't abandon that.I agree 100%:2thumbsup

[Deuce]

Defense is not average or below average. And Murray is excellent on blitz pickup. This was a typical Redskin-Cowboy game, didn't expect anything different. Church missed a few tackles and from that point forward was not nearly as aggressive as he has been. Fumbles hurt, but biggest reason for loss was reverting back to throwing too much. Feed Murray and I think we win. Completely different team when we have a run no matter what mindset.

So you think this defense is good?

[bobcat1]

The next game will tell how good the Cowboys are.
If we win, then everything is ok.
If we barely lose, well then jury is still out.
If they get beat by 14 or more points.....well then I don't see them making the playoffs again.

I think it's important that they rebound and put this one behind. The offense better work on pass blitz protection and start throwing short hitch passes to get the ball out of Romo's hand quicker. I think the run offense still good, so I hope they don't abandon that.


I agree 100%:2thumbsupI am right there with you on that. :2thumbsup

[Farmersfan]

Not to mention Morris had 10 carries for 80 yards. Now Im not the best mathematician but that seems to figure out to 8 yards per carry


A. Morris had 18 carries for 73 yards. 4.1 avg. 1 TD
R. Helu had 5 carries for 29 yards. 5.8 avg.

D. Murray had 19 carries for 141 yards. 7.4 avg.
D. Murray also had 4 catches for 80 yards. 20.0 avg.

[Farmersfan]

I should say..I like it for what it is. I still prefer QB rating and it's imperfection because it is based on numbers and nothing else


"Early in a scoreless game, a quarterback throws a 20-yard pass just by the reaching arms of a defender and into the hands of his intended receiver, who holds on despite the distraction, then scampers the remaining 15 yards for a touchdown. Another quarterback, down 30-10 with five minutes left in the fourth quarter, throws a 3-yard screen pass to a running back, who maneuvers another 32 yards through prevent defense to score a touchdown."
ESPN's example of two completely different plays that count exactly the same in QB rating. The Total QBR accounts for a system that tries to take into account how much the play of the QB actually helped the team win. Like i said: Romo got a 16 last night. Colt McCoy got a 85! (50 is average BTW). Romo brought NOTHING to the game.

[Farmersfan]

BTW, you just can't seem to get past this money thing, either. Romo's salary is just under $12 million this year. You do realize that is 14th in the league! That's right. 14 QBs are making more money than Romo this year. You need to move past the money thing because all NFL QBs are making big money unless they are on their rookie deals.

http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/cap-hit/quarterback/


You are a natural politician Mac. I never mentioned "Cap hit" that Romo is causing. I said salary. The Cap hit is more a product of creative financing by Jerry Jones. Tony Romo is currently the 8th most expensive QB in the NFL. And any of the top 25 QBs in the entire league would get the same comments from me if they played like Romo played last night.

http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/average/quarterback/limit-25/

[Farmersfan]

You are a natural politician Mac. I never mentioned "Cap hit" that Romo is causing. I said salary. The Cap hit is more a product of creative financing by Jerry Jones. Tony Romo is currently the 8th most expensive QB in the NFL. And any of the top 25 QBs in the entire league would get the same comments from me if they played like Romo played last night.

http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/average/quarterback/limit-25/


And BTW: Romo is also #3 in the entire league in guaranteed money at 55 mil.................... Only Kaepernick and Peyton Manning have higher quaranteed money!

[Farmersfan]

Contract value= Tony Romo #5 in the NFL at 108 mil.



http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/contract-value/quarterback/limit-25/

[Macarthur]

FF, let me ask you this?

Do you think Romo is better than:
Brees
Luck
Ben
Brady
Wilson
Flacco

The reason I list those is because Romo's QBR for the year is higer than all of those guys.

I think the QBR has a place, but I think it is not some holy grail. It has plenty of critics.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/espns-qbr-stat-puts-tebow-ahead-of-rodgers/

Not the least of which is that it's proprietary and no body but the people at ESPN know exactly what's in it.

Anyone that watched that game and thinks that there were 80 something points seperating the play of Romo and McCoy is being ridiculous.

[Macarthur]

Contract value= Tony Romo #5 in the NFL at 108 mil.



http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/contract-value/quarterback/limit-25/

Theres less than $15 million seperating numbers 4 thru 10 on that list. Virtually all the top 10 Quarterbacks have somewhere around $100 million deals. It's the new normal. Get over the money thing.

[Farmersfan]

FF, let me ask you this?

Do you think Romo is better than:
Brees
Luck
Ben
Brady
Wilson
Flacco

The reason I list those is because Romo's QBR for the year is higer than all of those guys.

I think the QBR has a place, but I think it is not some holy grail. It has plenty of critics.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/espns-qbr-stat-puts-tebow-ahead-of-rodgers/

Not the least of which is that it's proprietary and no body but the people at ESPN know exactly what's in it.

Anyone that watched that game and thinks that there were 80 something points seperating the play of Romo and McCoy is being ridiculous.

Whether or not Romo is better or worse than those other QBs is pretty irrelevant Mac. He doesn't play on those other teams and those QBs don't play on this team. I know the discussion will evolve to how bad the team has been around Romo for his career because that is the standard mantra for you guys. But even though Romo is a top 5 paid QB in the NFL he is actually ranked #13 in win percentage behind Brady, Wilson, Kaepernick, Peyton, Big Ben, Rogers, Luck, Flacco, Rivers, Ryan, Brees, and Dalton.

[hookandladder]

FF, let me ask you this?

Do you think Romo is better than:
Brees
Luck
Ben
Brady
Wilson
Flacco

The reason I list those is because Romo's QBR for the year is higer than all of those guys.

I think the QBR has a place, but I think it is not some holy grail. It has plenty of critics.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/espns-qbr-stat-puts-tebow-ahead-of-rodgers/

Not the least of which is that it's proprietary and no body but the people at ESPN know exactly what's in it.

Anyone that watched that game and thinks that there were 80 something points seperating the play of Romo and McCoy is being ridiculous.

Just in case FF does not answer, that would be no,no, no,no,no and no.

[Farmersfan]

FF, let me ask you this?

Do you think Romo is better than:
Brees
Luck
Ben
Brady
Wilson
Flacco

The reason I list those is because Romo's QBR for the year is higer than all of those guys.

I think the QBR has a place, but I think it is not some holy grail. It has plenty of critics.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/espns-qbr-stat-puts-tebow-ahead-of-rodgers/

Not the least of which is that it's proprietary and no body but the people at ESPN know exactly what's in it.

Anyone that watched that game and thinks that there were 80 something points seperating the play of Romo and McCoy is being ridiculous.



Tony Romo was #28 in the entire NFL in QBR this week. Only 3 teams out of 15 actually won the game with their QB rated 50 or less in Total QBR..............

[GrTigers6]

Romo was not the problem except for the last two drives and still it had a lot to do with the Offense not figuring out how to pick up the blitz

[Farmersfan]

Tony Romo was #28 in the entire NFL in QBR this week. Only 3 teams out of 15 actually won the game with their QB rated 50 or less in Total QBR..............


And Tony Romo was ranked #30 in week one against San Francisco. The sad part about this is I don't think this game can be counted as one of the usual Romo meltdowns. He actually didn't make the big mistakes in this game but he just didn't do anything productive either. He provided NOTHING for his team to use as motivation or that lead his team to a win. That means according to history we still have 1 or 2 more "Meltdown" games for Romo............................

[Farmersfan]

Romo was not the problem except for the last two drives and still it had a lot to do with the Offense not figuring out how to pick up the blitz

Except for when Weeden was in the game? Everybody got smarter when Weeden came in the game I guess................ BTW: Anyone want to comment on how Kyle Orton is taking the Bills on his shoulders and getting win after win after win? Anybody think Orton wouldn't be successful with this Dallas team?

[Macarthur]

Same old FF. You have admitted you have a personal bias.

[Macarthur]

Actually, I guess you're right. You know something every single personnel guy in the league doesn't. Weeden and orton are better than romo. Genius.

[GrTigers6]

Except for when Weeden was in the game? Everybody got smarter when Weeden came in the game I guess................ BTW: Anyone want to comment on how Kyle Orton is taking the Bills on his shoulders and getting win after win after win? Anybody think Orton wouldn't be successful with this Dallas team?Weeden only threw 6 passes and completed 4 of them. Romo had to attempt 28 and 5 times was sacked and hit multiple times after the throw and not to mention the drops from Witten and Dez

[GrTigers6]

Orton has 5 turnovers in 4 games and he is carrying the team. Brilliant!
And two f those wins were 1-7 jets and 3-5 Vikings

[Farmersfan]

Actually, I guess you're right. You know something every single personnel guy in the league doesn't. Weeden and orton are better than romo. Genius.


In the first place I never said Weeden or Orton was better than Romo! And in the second place, have you talked to all the "personnel guys" in the league to find out how they feel about it? See you can make statements like this all day and it means nothing. I have shown at least a dozen times in our debates how the other NFL players picked Tony Romo """""TWICE""""" as the most overrated player in the league. I've also proven to you how opposing defenders think Romo will always "throw them the ball". All this rolls off your back because apparently you feel you know better than the people who actually compete against him. But in truth Romo has been pretty dang good for most of this season. Game 1 and last night were complete flops by Romo and if these are his only performances this poor then I will back off. But history tells us we have just seen the tip of the iceberg with this guy.....

[Macarthur]

In the first place I never said Weeden or Orton was better than Romo!

Then why did you bring it up?



And in the second place, have you talked to all the "personnel guys" in the league to find out


I think their actions speak pretty loudly. Both guys are journeymen. If someone in the league thought those guys would put them over the top, they're not that hard to obtain.

[Farmersfan]

Weeden only threw 6 passes and completed 4 of them. Romo had to attempt 28 and 5 times was sacked and hit multiple times after the throw and not to mention the drops from Witten and Dez

Dude! Dude! Dude! :crazy1:

Weeden drove the Cowboys two times. First drive was Murray on a 51 yard run and then 2 incompletions in the endzone for Weeden and FG. Second drive Weeden was 6-6 for 69 yards and a touchdown. Blitz never touched him! Weeden is not a better QB than Romo is but on this night and in this game Weeden would have been a better choice.

[Farmersfan]

Orton has 5 turnovers in 4 games and he is carrying the team. Brilliant!
And two f those wins were 1-7 jets and 3-5 Vikings


Again with the lack of knowledge? Kyle Orton has 9 touchdowns and 3 interceptions on the entire season and is #6 in QB rating. (right above Romo) . He has gotten 4 starts and is 3-1 with his only loss to the Patriots. He has beaten the Lions, Vikings and Jets! http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating

[GrTigers6]

Again with the lack of knowledge? Kyle Orton has 9 touchdowns and 3 interceptions on the entire season and is #6 in QB rating. (right above Romo) . He has gotten 4 starts and is 3-1 with his only loss to the Patriots. He has beaten the Lions, Vikings and Jets! http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRatingIf you would read all the stats you would see that he also had to fumbles.

[GrTigers6]

Dude! Dude! Dude! :crazy1:

Weeden drove the Cowboys two times. First drive was Murray on a 51 yard run and then 2 incompletions in the endzone for Weeden and FG. Second drive Weeden was 6-6 for 69 yards and a touchdown. Blitz never touched him! Weeden is not a better QB than Romo is but on this night and in this game Weeden would have been a better choice.That's because they didn't blitz him like they did Romo. They were sitting back and making him beat them with his arm. Im not saying weeden didn't do well Im just saying its hard to compare the two with those few stats that he had

[Farmersfan]

Ok, I'll end this discussion about Romo with this final word. Tony Romo has had a really good year so far. Game one and last night are the only two games that I feel he really screwed the pooch. On the season he actually has a 114 QB rating against the blitz but for some reason he didn't read the defense last night and did nothing to make them pay for the blitz. We can debate all day about the reasons but the Redskins defense ate Romo's lunch! Weeden handled it much better.....................

[waterboy]

Without reading the rest of this thread, I'm gonna give my opinion.:D

Dallas got outplayed and outcoached last night. It was frustrating to watch. Missed tackles galore and bad play calling toward the end by the Cowboys' coaching staff, and smart defensive coaching by Washington. I knew it was probably not gonna turn out good for the Cowboys when they wouldn't run the ball on second and goal from the three, even though Murray was having a field day. They had to setttle for a field goal on that drive. Then, missed tackles in the open field on third downs by Cowboy players. Completely bad angles by the tacklers caused some major whiffs, which is just poor technique. They hadn't been playing that way all year. To top it all off, two successive successful scoring drives with Weeden in there, and they replace him with an injured Tony Romo, knowing full well what the Redskins were intending to do? The coaching staff should've grown a pair and took a stand against Romo under the circumstances. This loss is on the coaches and/or Jerry Jones (if he made the call to put Romo back in), in my opinion.

The Cowboys just need to put this loss behind them now, and learn from it. Get over it, and on to the next opponent. Get back to playing Cowboy football.

[GodleyEast]

You know, Im offended.

Not one of you posters will admit the Redskins are just BETTER than the pokes. EVeryone was buying beers, grillin hamburgers, calling their friends over like 20 years ago when Troy Michael and Emmit were playing. The Cowboys have stunk it up since 1996. Whats funny is seeing how all the fools think the Cowboys are all the sudden good again....LOL They still stink. Put away all the mothball laden jerseys and get back to normal.

HTTR!

[GodleyEast]

It was nice to see jerruh back on the field coaching again.

[Bullaholic]

You know, Im offended.

Not one of you posters will admit the Redskins are just BETTER than the pokes. EVeryone was buying beers, grillin hamburgers, calling their friends over like 20 years ago when Troy Michael and Emmit were playing. The Cowboys have stunk it up since 1996. Whats funny is seeing how all the fools think the Cowboys are all the sudden good again....LOL They still stink. Put away all the mothball laden jerseys and get back to normal.

HTTR!

Not exactly a Cowboy fan there, GodleyEast? :D

[Saggy Aggie]

It was nice to see jerruh back on the field coaching again.

That was my favorite part.

I'm also somewhat impressed with FF's comments... He's made several points no one has had a legit response to.

Then again, I love to see Romo choke almost as much as FF does...

[GodleyEast]

Not exactly a Cowboy fan there, GodleyEast? :D I'm a transplant. Born in the district of columbia! been here about 25 years.

I like the cowboys, and root for them a little when they are bad. (last 20 years)

[bobcat1]

Not exactly a Cowboy fan there, GodleyEast? :D


I'm a transplant. Born in the district of columbia! been here about 25 years.

I like the cowboys, and root for them a little when they are bad. (last 20 years)I knew there was something about you I didn't like! You weren't even born in a State... just a District! No one would ever admit to being born in Washington DC unless they were just like a politician and I don't like politicians! No wonder Godley is getting beat like a red headed step child every Friday night by the Sisters of the Blind School.


All this was said in jest.:D

[Eagle 1]

Never stop meddling, Jerry Jones—signed, Eagles fans.

http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/700-level/never-stop-meddling-jerry-jones%E2%80%94signed-eagles-fans

[GodleyEast]

I knew there was something about you I didn't like! You weren't even born in a State... just a District! No one would ever admit to being born in Washington DC unless they were just like a politician and I don't like politicians! No wonder Godley is getting beat like a red headed step child every Friday night by the Sisters of the Blind School.


All this was said in jest.:D

HEY! That is offensive to red headed stepchildren! can we get the PC Police over here? Yes Im a man without a state.

But I did go to bed happy last night.

[Txbroadcaster]

That was my favorite part.

I'm also somewhat impressed with FF's comments... He's made several points no one has had a legit response to.

Then again, I love to see Romo choke almost as much as FF does...


He is saying Romo was bad in game and a reason they lost..that IMO makes his point invalid. was Romo perfect? no, but he did not "screw the pooch" as FF claims on Monday

[bobcat1]

HEY! That is offensive to red headed stepchildren! can we get the PC Police over here? Yes Im a man without a state.

But I did go to bed happy last night.:fnypost::blahblah::lies:
:tongue: You are giving me reason to dislike you.

[waterboy]

I knew there was something about you I didn't like! You weren't even born in a State... just a District! No one would ever admit to being born in Washington DC unless they were just like a politician and I don't like politicians! No wonder Godley is getting beat like a red headed step child every Friday night by the Sisters of the Blind School.


All this was said in jest.:D

He must be a liberal! Get a rope!:D

[buff4ever]

To all the Romo/Weeden talk. Romo is has had to this point a better than average Romo year. If he had not been injured or bruised or whatever, I would agree he needed to be in the game as our best option. After he was hurt, and Weeden did all we could ask of him as a back-up in the two drives he participated in; I would have left Weeden in, on this particular night with Romo not 100%, Weeden was the better option.

[GrTigers6]

To all the Romo/Weeden talk. Romo is has had to this point a better than average Romo year. If he had not been injured or bruised or whatever, I would agree he needed to be in the game as our best option. After he was hurt, and Weeden did all we could ask of him as a back-up in the two drives he participated in; I would have left Weeden in, on this particular night with Romo not 100%, Weeden was the better option.I agree with you on that however if I was the coach I and Romo was capable I would have a hard time leaving him on the sidelines. especially knowing what he has accomplished in the past coming back from an injury in the game. I had very mixed emotions on this subject Monday night. Of course as it turns out that idea was wrong but I think they had to try.

[GrTigers6]

Also let me say this. I would have been fine if they sent Weeden back out as well

[Macarthur]

I agree with you on that however if I ws the coach I and Romo was capable I would have a hard time leaving him on the sidelines. especially knowing what he has accomplished in the past coming back from an injury in the game. I had very mixed emotions on this subject Monday night. Of course as it turns out that idea was wrong but I think they had to try.

This. Here's the deal. Romo has won games with broken ribs, punctured lung and a herniated disk. He has shown he can play well while injured. I think if ask any coach or GM in the league if they were in that situation, I think they all would say that if their franchise qb says he can go and the doctors clear him, you roll with your franchise qb. We are using hindsight because romo wasnt able to win it this time. But by second guessing this you are completely ignoring the times he has done it.

[Farmersfan]

He is saying Romo was bad in game and a reason they lost..that IMO makes his point invalid. was Romo perfect? no, but he did not "screw the pooch" as FF claims on Monday


Come on TX! I know you don't like the Total QBR system but it is a system to try and measure the actual impact on the game a QB makes by looking at the things that I generally try to look at. And it measures ALL QB'S using the same criteria. On the surface it appears Romo had a average night with 17 completions for 200 yards and no interceptions. But the QBR and I look at when those completions occur and the impact on the game they create. I also look at how Romo's audibles on the line affects the success or failure of the offensive play and far too often it appeared Romo audiabled into trouble rather than the other way around. I also have frequently stated that Romo is too quick with his "kill, kill, kill" nonsense and every single team in the NFL knows by now that "kill, kill, kill" means to kill a pass play and run the ball. IT NEVER WORKS ANYMORE! 3 times in this game I saw Romo move his blocking back to the wrong side of the offense. On the play where Romo was sacked when he tried his spin move that he has done a couple of times with great success the blocking back was on the correct side and Romo moved him to the right side which gave the blitzer a free run. 2 d-backs were on the line on that side of the line and Romo moved his blocker to the other side. Was he trying to outsmart the defense by preparing for a fake blitz or was he trying to set them up for his dippity doo spin move so he could be the hero again in the papers this week???? On the blitz that rocked Romo on the first play of the OT when he fumbled and the Cowboys were lucky to get it back some of you guys are blaming Murray for missing the blitzer. Murray was not in a blocking mode. Murray was slipping out in the flat for a pass. Murray had already gotten to the Line before the D-back came through the hole. BTW: the D-back blitzed from 10 yards away and Romo never saw him. That is on the QB 100%. And I repeat what I have already posted: The Total QBR system rated Romo with a """""""""""""""""16"""""""""""""""" in that game. I'm not sure i would give him that high of a score!

[Farmersfan]

I agree with you on that however if I was the coach I and Romo was capable I would have a hard time leaving him on the sidelines. especially knowing what he has accomplished in the past coming back from an injury in the game. I had very mixed emotions on this subject Monday night. Of course as it turns out that idea was wrong but I think they had to try.


So the lack of success by Romo the previous 60 minutes wouldn't impact your decision?

[Farmersfan]

This. Here's the deal. Romo has won games with broken ribs, punctured lung and a herniated disk. He has shown he can play well while injured. I think if ask any coach or GM in the league if they were in that situation, I think they all would say that if their franchise qb says he can go and the doctors clear him, you roll with your franchise qb. We are using hindsight because romo wasnt able to win it this time. But by second guessing this you are completely ignoring the times he has done it.



I'm pretty sure we have never seen this scenerio before Mac. Romo has gotten hurt and come back to win games. The Cowboys have had games where Romo got hurt and the backup came in and won the game! They have also had games where the backup came in and didn't win the game as well as games where Romo played hurt and didn't win the game because of it. But never have I ever remembered a game where Romo was completely ineffective for almost 3 quarters, got hurt, went out of the game for over 30 mintues, the backup showed to be far more effective and scored points on every drive, and Romo then came back in to win the game! And I have been watching Dallas Cowboys since the 60's...........

[Eagle 1]

I don't remember Romo playing with a punctured lung. Seriously ?

[GrTigers6]

I'm pretty sure we have never seen this scenerio before Mac. Romo has gotten hurt and come back to win games. The Cowboys have had games where Romo got hurt and the backup came in and won the game! They have also had games where the backup came in and didn't win the game as well as games where Romo played hurt and didn't win the game because of it. But never have I ever remembered a game where Romo was completely ineffective for almost 3 quarters, got hurt, went out of the game for over 30 mintues, the backup showed to be far more effective and scored points on every drive, and Romo then came back in to win the game! And I have been watching Dallas Cowboys since the 60's...........He was not completely ineffective. They moved the ball up and down the field but kept having mental errors that took it away. Randall fumble, Murray fumble, Holding, dropped passes,missed blocks etc

[GrTigers6]

I don't remember Romo playing with a punctured lung. Seriously ?
Yes he did against San Fran

[GrTigers6]

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/6993210/dallas-cowboys-qb-tony-romo-cracked-rib-punctured-lung

[Macarthur]

Come on TX! I know you don't like the Total QBR system but it is a system to try and measure the actual impact on the game a QB makes by looking at the things that I generally try to look at. And it measures ALL QB'S using the same criteria. On the surface it appears Romo had a average night with 17 completions for 200 yards and no interceptions. But the QBR and I look at when those completions occur and the impact on the game they create. I also look at how Romo's audibles on the line affects the success or failure of the offensive play and far too often it appeared Romo audiabled into trouble rather than the other way around. I also have frequently stated that Romo is too quick with his "kill, kill, kill" nonsense and every single team in the NFL knows by now that "kill, kill, kill" means to kill a pass play and run the ball. IT NEVER WORKS ANYMORE! 3 times in this game I saw Romo move his blocking back to the wrong side of the offense. On the play where Romo was sacked when he tried his spin move that he has done a couple of times with great success the blocking back was on the correct side and Romo moved him to the right side which gave the blitzer a free run. 2 d-backs were on the line on that side of the line and Romo moved his blocker to the other side. Was he trying to outsmart the defense by preparing for a fake blitz or was he trying to set them up for his dippity doo spin move so he could be the hero again in the papers this week???? On the blitz that rocked Romo on the first play of the OT when he fumbled and the Cowboys were lucky to get it back some of you guys are blaming Murray for missing the blitzer. Murray was not in a blocking mode. Murray was slipping out in the flat for a pass. Murray had already gotten to the Line before the D-back came through the hole. BTW: the D-back blitzed from 10 yards away and Romo never saw him. That is on the QB 100%. And I repeat what I have already posted: The Total QBR system rated Romo with a """""""""""""""""16"""""""""""""""" in that game. I'm not sure i would give him that high of a score!

I tell myself every year that I'm going to leave this board and stop having this discussion over and over again. It truly is maddening.

[coach]

I'm pretty sure we have never seen this scenerio before Mac. Romo has gotten hurt and come back to win games. The Cowboys have had games where Romo got hurt and the backup came in and won the game! They have also had games where the backup came in and didn't win the game as well as games where Romo played hurt and didn't win the game because of it. But never have I ever remembered a game where Romo was completely ineffective for almost 3 quarters, got hurt, went out of the game for over 30 mintues, the backup showed to be far more effective and scored points on every drive, and Romo then came back in to win the game! And I have been watching Dallas Cowboys since the 60's...........

You have been watching games since the 60's and you are still clueless? Maybe it's time you get a new hobby.

[coach]

I don't remember Romo playing with a punctured lung. Seriously ?

And he won.

[Farmersfan]

I tell myself every year that I'm going to leave this board and stop having this discussion over and over again. It truly is maddening.



If you would simply realize you aren't the only one with a valid point it wouldn't be maddening! Just like I tell Christians that want to argue with me, "If you had the truth it would be self evident and wouldn't be difficult to prove!" Everything else is just subjective crap that we all have an opinion on. If we can't argue/discuss subjective crap then where would our lives be? But all in all I think you get so frustrated with me for the same reason I get so frustrated with you. We both have way too high of an opinion of our opinions!!!! LOL

[Farmersfan]

You have been watching games since the 60's and you are still clueless? Maybe it's time you get a new hobby.



That's almost as ironic as someone with your limited people skills calling themselves "Coach"! :kiss:

[coach]

That's almost as ironic as someone with your limited people skills calling themselves "Coach"! :kiss:

Did you just blow me a kiss?


Guys I finally figured out who farmersfan is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYun_5-tpvc

[Macarthur]

nm...

[SintonFan_inAustin]

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[Eagle 1]

Just like I tell Christians that want to argue with me, "If you had the truth it would be self evident and wouldn't be difficult to prove!" LOL



It's called faith.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Just like I tell non-believers, "You can't see the wind, buy you can feel it."

Now, back to the Cowboys. I guess I just didn't remember Romo having a punctured lung but I do remember when he got hurt in the San Francisco game.

[Eagle 1]

Haha....Even though I'm a Cowboys fan, I thought this was funny and appropriate for this thread.


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[waterboy]

It's called faith.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Just like I tell non-believers, "You can't see the wind, buy you can feel it."

Now, back to the Cowboys. I guess I just didn't remember Romo having a punctured lung but I do remember when he got hurt in the San Francisco game.

Amen, Eagle 1. He chooses faith in man, not God. Man can't prove God doesn't exist, either. All matter just banged into existence out of nothingness. The thing is where did matter originate? We all came into existence somehow, right?

Oh, well.

The Cowboys really did not play well the other night, and the Redskins did. We lost a game. It's not the end of the world. We'll get back to being the Cowboys of the prior six games.........I hope.

[Farmersfan]

Just like I tell non-believers, "You can't see the wind, buy you can feel it."

N.


You can also test it, measure it and predict it! And everybody in a group feels it exactly the same. What's your point?

[Farmersfan]

Amen, Eagle 1. He chooses faith in man, not God. Man can't prove God doesn't exist, either. All matter just banged into existence out of nothingness. The thing is where did matter originate? We all came into existence somehow, right?

Oh, well.




The scary part of this comment is that it appears you really don't understand the extent of the intellectual dishonesty it took to say this!

#1. You also can't prove flying pink Pixies that create worlds doesn't exist but that isn't good enough reason to believe they do exist!
#2. I have not chosen "Faith" in anything. I have intentionally chosen to reject the concept of faith in favor of evidence. You can twist scientific method and knowledge to make it appear it takes faith also but that is cheap word salad and nothing else.
#3. "We all came into existence somehow" is a far, far, far cry from a good reason to believe a God created us. And if you believe nothing can be "banged into existence" then someone must have created God! Do you believe God had a creator?
#4. Like so many you seem to have a God of the Gaps mentality. Proving gaps in science is not that hard to do and even children in elementary school are able to do it. Science has never claimed to have all the answers. But automatically inserting God into those gaps has never been an acceptable answer. It is ok to say we don't know because that is what makes us continue to look for better answers.

[Farmersfan]

Did you just blow me a kiss?


Guys I finally figured out who farmersfan is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYun_5-tpvc


Well at least I hope I'm the one who gets the girl! :nerd:

[bobcat1]

You can also test it, measure it and predict it! And everybody in a group feels it exactly the same. What's your point?
The point is explain how you breath or see. Who made you? Your parents? Who made it possible for them to have you? Evolution? Even if you argue evolution there had to be a starting spot. Who created the starting spot? The Big Bang? Who caused the Big Bang? All trails lead back to God FF.


Now before the thread gets closed or deleted lets go back to Dallas Cowboy football and the ill-prepared and then ill-executed team we all saw Monday night. That is not what we saw all season. Should we have expected it? Sure. Why? Because of the past.

[coach]

The point is explain how you breath or see. Who made you? Your parents? Who made it possible for them to have you? Evolution? Even if you argue evolution there had to be a starting spot. Who created the starting spot? The Big Bang? Who caused the Big Bang? All trails lead back to God FF.


Now before the thread gets closed or deleted lets go back to Dallas Cowboy football and the ill-prepared and then ill-executed team we all saw Monday night. That is not what we saw all season. Should we have expected it? Sure. Why? Because of the past.

Besides, we all know who's the cowboys biggest fan. it's God, Himself.

[waterboy]

The scary part of this comment is that it appears you really don't understand the extent of the intellectual dishonesty it took to say this!

#1. You also can't prove flying pink Pixies that create worlds doesn't exist but that isn't good enough reason to believe they do exist!
#2. I have not chosen "Faith" in anything. I have intentionally chosen to reject the concept of faith in favor of evidence. You can twist scientific method and knowledge to make it appear it takes faith also but that is cheap word salad and nothing else.
#3. "We all came into existence somehow" is a far, far, far cry from a good reason to believe a God created us. And if you believe nothing can be "banged into existence" then someone must have created God! Do you believe God had a creator?
#4. Like so many you seem to have a God of the Gaps mentality. Proving gaps in science is not that hard to do and even children in elementary school are able to do it. Science has never claimed to have all the answers. But automatically inserting God into those gaps has never been an acceptable answer. It is ok to say we don't know because that is what makes us continue to look for better answers.

Good grief, FF! WHY do you hate GOD so much?

You have to have FAITH that what scientists say is true. No?

There are no "gaps" if you look at things from a Christian point of view. How convenient for a nonbeliever to make the "gap" filler assumption. I've never said science is a "bad" thing. In fact, it's a good thing as long as it is open for debate. There HAD to be a Creator. How else are we here? How do you explain good and evil? Do you truly believe in evolution? Wouldn't there be at least some evidence of transition?

Here's a link to a site that is interesting, even to a nonbeliever:

http://www.apologeticspress.org/apPubPage.aspx?pub=1&issue=1175&article=2452



By the way, I think you're a closet Romosexual, and I have FAITH that the Cowboys will rebound in a big way.

[waterboy]

Here's another article:

http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?category=9&article=4704&topic=296

Talk about "faith"!

Look around on this site. There's a lot of questions answered by people a whole lot smarter than you and me.

How about them Cowboys!

[Eagle 1]

All atheist will become believers when they die, but it will be to late then.
That I do believe.

Besides everybody knows the reason the old Texas stadium had a hole in the roof, and the new one will open, is so God can watch his favorite team. :tongue:

I heard today that Romo has been cleared to play depending if he can tolerate the pain. We all know he will probably start.