AP Poll

[HEMOTOXIC]

Class 4A
School Total Points Prv
1. Stephenville (14) 226 -
2. Navasota (4) 188 -
3. Graham (1) 134 -
4. Carthage 131 -
5. La Marque (2) 127 -
6. Argyle (3) 125 -
7. West Orange-Stark 98 -
8. Gilmer (1) 80 -
(tie) Kilgore 80 -
10. Celina 70 -

Others receiving votes: 11, La Vernia 38. 12, La Grange 18. 13, Liberty Hill 17. 14, Tyler Chapel Hill 10. 15, Fairfield 9. 16, Gladewater 8. 17, Sinton 7. 18, Kennedale 4. 19, Big Spring 2. 20, Abilene Wylie 1. 20, Coldspring-Oakhurst 1. 20, Tatum 1.

[HEMOTOXIC]

Class 6A
School Total Points Prv
1. Allen (15) 231 -
2. Katy (5) 208 -
3. Cedar Hill (5) 204 -
4. DeSoto 172 -
5. Euless Trinity 119 -
6. Southlake Carroll 105 -
7. Denton Guyer 79 -
8. Cibolo Steele 75 -
9. Lake Travis 68 -
10. Pearland 33 -

Others receiving votes: 11, Dallas Skyline 21. 12, Galena Park North Shore 18. 13, Manvel 15. 14, SA Northside Brennan 13. 15, Coppell 6. 16, Arlington Martin 3. 17, Wolfforth Frenship 2. 18, Arlington Bowie 1. 18, Converse Judson 1. 18, Spring Westfield 1.

Class 5A
School Total Points Prv
1. Aledo (17) 227 -
2. Ennis (4) 189 -
3. Longview (1) 184 -
4. A&M Consolidated (3) 162 -
5. Cedar Park 134 -
6. Brenham 107 -
7. Temple 97 -
8. Tyler 50 -
9. Richmond George Ranch 46 -
10. Mansfield Timberview 40 -

Others receiving votes: 11, Abilene Cooper 30. 12, Dallas South Oak Cliff 20. 12, Mesquite Poteet 20. 14, Lufkin 18. 15, Wylie 9. 16, N. Richland Hills Birdville 6. 16, Rockwall-Heath 6. 18, West Mesquite 5. 18, Elgin 5. 18, CC Calallen 5. 21, Lucas Lovejoy 4. 22, Mansfield Summit 3. 22, McKinney North 3. 24, Frisco 2. 25, Georgetown 1. 25, Houston Stratford 1. 25, CC Flour Bluff 1.

Class 3A
School Total Points Prv
1. Cisco (6) 213 -
2. Hallettsville (11) 183 -
3. Cameron Yoe (4) 174 -
4. Waskom (4) 167 -
5. Newton 125 -
6. Wall 111 -
7. New Boston 110 -
8. Daingerfield 79 -
(tie) Franklin 79 -
10. Rockdale 43 -

Others receiving votes: 11, Rogers 30. 12, East Bernard 14. 12, Corrigan-Camden 14. 14, Sonora 10. 15, Kirbyville 5. 15, White Oak 5. 17, Teague 3. 18, Malakoff 2. 18, Gunter 2. 18, Arp 2. 18, Pottsboro 2. 22, Eastland 1. 22, Glen Rose 1.

Class 2A
School Total Points Prv
1. Refugio (12) 232 -
2. Mart (11) 221 -
3. Tenaha (2) 160 -
4. Albany 130 -
5. Hico 108 -
6. Canadian 97 -
7. Bremond 91 -
8. Centerville 88 -
9. Shiner 62 -
10. Falls City 58 -

Others receiving votes: 11, Crawford 20. 12, Stamford 18. 13, Mason 17. 14, Stratford 15. 15, Chilton 13. 16, Seagraves 11. 17, Goldthwaite 7. 17, Wellington 7. 19, Iraan 5. 19, Muenster 5. 21, Alto 3. 21, Booker 3. 23, Hamlin 2. 24, Pineland West Sabine 1. 24, New Deal 1.

[WOS87]

About what I predicted. AP is always the usual suspects. Graham is the only one up there without a State Championship in their trophy case. Close to 30 combined from the other 9.

[regaleagle]

About what I predicted. AP is always the usual suspects. Graham is the only one up there without a State Championship in their trophy case. Close to 30 combined from the other 9.

Yeah, agreed. Are they saying everything always stays the same in high school football in every single classification? OR do they just not want to go out and do some homework on possible contenders that might just deserve some recognition for being loaded with an experienced and athletic team this year. I guess it took Fairfield going all the way to the title game in an impressive season before they could join the Top Ten grouping this season, huh. No knock on Fairfield this season....they may well be a deserving pick...but just an illustration since they were on nobody's radar with last season's team and SHOULD have been.

[Ragin Red]

About what I predicted. AP is always the usual suspects. Graham is the only one up there without a State Championship in their trophy case. Close to 30 combined from the other 9.
I guess I don't understand, are you saying Graham doesn't belong because they don't have a championship? They've been very competitive for several seasons now.

[Weebe]

Makes no sense to combine 4a Div 1 and 2.

[GUNHO]

I guess I don't understand, are you saying Graham doesn't belong because they don't have a championship? They've been very competitive for several seasons now.

I think what he is saying is the AP just used past champs to compile this poll and gives Graham credit for making it.That's my take anyway.

[GUNHO]

Makes no sense to combine 4a Div 1 and 2.

Yeah I agree.Seven out of ten are D1 anyway.I've always thought they should have two seperate polls if you are going to have two different classifications.

[buckeyebob]

AP as usual...they probably will not realize the pre-season divide until late season or maybe 2015 season...idiots

[cougartino]

No Manvel or Northshore in the top 10 of 6A?

[WOS87]

I guess I don't understand, are you saying Graham doesn't belong because they don't have a championship? They've been very competitive for several seasons now.

No... nothing against Graham. The AP ALWAYS puts the usual suspects up there if they've done well historically and/or recently despite what they have coming back... It's more reputation than anything. Polls are polls. Didn't mean any offense to anyone.

[Ragin Red]

No... nothing against Graham. The AP ALWAYS puts the usual suspects up there if they've done well historically and/or recently despite what they have coming back... It's more reputation than anything. Polls are polls. Didn't mean any offense to anyone.
Sorry just surprised me. I do agree with you on your AP assessment, polls are polls the games still have to be played. It's not where you start it's where you finish. Good luck to all teams this year and hope all the athletes stay healthy.

[lostaussie]

Yeah I agree.Seven out of ten are D1 anyway.I've always thought they should have two seperate polls if you are going to have two different classifications.actually its 6 D1 and 4 D2

[Phantom Stang]

+1 for having separate polls for each division.

[caleb_mccaig]

I have never understood why they even rank high school teams. I guess because it gives us something to argue and bicker about!

[bird_fan]

as usual no love for the Ricebirds nothing new just some good motivation to prove wer better than they think we are.

[Gen.Pat]

Class 4A
School Total Points Prv
1. Stephenville (14) 226 -
2. Navasota (4) 188 -
3. Graham (1) 134 -
4. Carthage 131 -
5. La Marque (2) 127 -
6. Argyle (3) 125 -
7. West Orange-Stark 98 -
8. Gilmer (1) 80 -
(tie) Kilgore 80 -
10. Celina 70 -

Others receiving votes: 11, La Vernia 38. 12, La Grange 18. 13, Liberty Hill 17. 14, Tyler Chapel Hill 10. 15, Fairfield 9. 16, Gladewater 8. 17, Sinton 7. 18, Kennedale 4. 19, Big Spring 2. 20, Abilene Wylie 1. 20, Coldspring-Oakhurst 1. 20, Tatum 1.

Ummm no votes for my Wildcats yet votes for Tatum. I guess the East Texas AP guy is a Tatum Grad.

[lostaussie]

Ummm no votes for my Wildcats yet votes for Tatum. I guess the East Texas AP guy is a Tatum Grad.evidently Cowboy doesn't have a vote:D

[Sville]

I have never understood why they even rank high school teams. I guess because it gives us something to argue and bicker about!

Back in the day it sold papers. I used to buy a FWST every Tuesday just to look at the polls and local stats during FB season. Now it is about unique visitors on the web.

[Aesculus gilmus]

This poll is and always has been meaningless. I am glad to see Gilmer that far down the list, though, because of the writers not being able to distinguish between the two divisions.

[Phantom Stang]

Ummm no votes for my Wildcats yet votes for Tatum. I guess the East Texas AP guy is a Tatum Grad.
Read what WOS87 said in his first post on this thread.;)
Tatum won a State Title in this classification in 2005 when it was known as 3A. They won another the following year when they dropped down to 2A(now known as 3A).

Yes I know y'all beat 'em in the playoffs last year, and I said on another thread that it deserved attention. But I'm sure a lot of folks that follow HSFB considered it to be a "fluke".

[Eagleborn]

Ummm no votes for my Wildcats yet votes for Tatum. I guess the East Texas AP guy is a Tatum Grad.

The AP knew last year was a fluke...

EVERY year Tatum's name is in the mix. No one knew what a Godley was until they "upset" Tatum is in playoffs last season.

[GodleyEast]

Read what WOS87 said in his first post on this thread.;)
Tatum won a State Title in this classification in 2005 when it was known as 3A. They won another the following year when they dropped down to 2A(now known as 3A).

Yes I know y'all beat 'em in the playoffs last year, and I said on another thread that it deserved attention. But I'm sure a lot of folks that follow HSFB considered it to be a "fluke".

As you say a decade ago they were great.

Fluke?

Three choices for any THSF fan with a working mind.

1.Tatum got Shellacked.
2.Tatum got Lambasted.
3.Tatum Submitted,Tapped Out, or Quit.(I like Submitted)

There is no other explanation.

[GodleyEast]

The AP knew last year was a fluke...

EVERY year Tatum's name is in the mix. No one knew what a Godley was until they "upset" Tatum is in playoffs last season.

yea. maybe "their name" is in the mix.

"upset"? lol see my post above homer.:smoker::smoker:

[eagles_victory]

Yeah, agreed. Are they saying everything always stays the same in high school football in every single classification? OR do they just not want to go out and do some homework on possible contenders that might just deserve some recognition for being loaded with an experienced and athletic team this year. I guess it took Fairfield going all the way to the title game in an impressive season before they could join the Top Ten grouping this season, huh. No knock on Fairfield this season....they may well be a deserving pick...but just an illustration since they were on nobody's radar with last season's team and SHOULD have been.
Actually they really shouldn't have been last year in the preseason or until they beat Navasota. We were 8-4 the year before and blown out by the better competition we played and lost the QB, leading rusher and top receiver off of that team. Last years Fairfield team was truly a case of a team coming from absolutely nowhere to do what they did.

[WOS87]

I think what he is saying is the AP just used past champs to compile this poll and gives Graham credit for making it.That's my take anyway.

Pretty much... ALL but 4 of the programs that won the last TWENTY 3A State Championships in the past 10 years (2004-2013) got votes and Prosper moved up to 5A so it's really only 3 that are still in the equivalent classification. Wimberley, Henderson and Liberty-Eylau are the only ones not included.

[jason]

Went and watched a little bit of the Stephenville vs Liberty Hill scrimmage tonight and LH looked pretty mediocre.

[buckeyebob]

Ummm no votes for my Wildcats yet votes for Tatum. I guess the East Texas AP guy is a Tatum Grad.

The East Texas AP Guy can't even find Tatum...& when you do you wonder why...shoot, you could live in Gilmer

[buckeyebob]

As you say a decade ago they were great.

Fluke?

Three choices for any THSF fan with a working mind.

1.Tatum got Shellacked.
2.Tatum got Lambasted.
3.Tatum Submitted,Tapped Out, or Quit.(I like Submitted)

There is no other explanation.

4. Even a blind pig can find an acorn in the dung on occasion

[buckeyebob]

Went and watched a little bit of the Stephenville vs Liberty Hill scrimmage tonight and LH looked pretty mediocre.

And Stephenville?

[2muchOffense]

The Ville looked very strong on offense. Even with a scaled back playbook. The defense had some miscues but I would say they looked better than last year at this point. That side of the ball has to get better. I was very impressed with the O-line as they gave Stidham plenty of time to throw. Not to mention Williams ran wild. Don't want to get to excited too early but today was a good effort.

[LHPfactory]

Went and watched a little bit of the Stephenville vs Liberty Hill scrimmage tonight and LH looked pretty mediocre.

LH didnt do to well in the first round but turned around in the possession portion .
Dont know if you stuck around buf it wound up in the game portion:
First string 14-14
Second String 7-6 LH over Sville.
In the realistic scenario that mediocre bunch hung with #1

Lotta blatant holding by Sville, that will get called in a real game.

[hollywood]

Stephenville was 4-5 touchdowns ahead of LH easily. LH had decent size and executed pretty well. Kudos to them.

My take was that Sville O looked liked a well oiled machine against a solid 4A defense. Sville D has some work to do but controlled the LOS pretty well against a the slot-t O.

In a live game, I'd predict a 42-14 win for Sville at this point of the season.

[movethechain]

Lotta blatant holding by Sville, that will get called in a real game.

We all see way more holding than gets called. I think only one crew from each chapter is assigned to be the "Holding" crew or the "Enforcers". If you are lucky enough to get them, it's gonna be a long night. It don't matter which side you cheer for, as it's usually an equal opportunity flag fest. The Gilmer - Chapel Hill game last year had to have taken at least 5 hours to play.

[2muchOffense]

Hollywood is absolutely right on the 4-5 touchdown difference. LH had some fight but in a normal game situation your trying to claw back against a team that is scoring on your defense every fourth play. Should be a fun year!

[panfan]

Stephenville was 4-5 touchdowns ahead of LH easily. LH had decent size and executed pretty well. Kudos to them.

My take was that Sville O looked liked a well oiled machine against a solid 4A defense. Sville D has some work to do but controlled the LOS pretty well against a the slot-t O.

In a live game, I'd predict a 42-14 win for Sville at this point of the season.

Thats a bit high, I would say a two TD difference. Our D was told not to touch the QB from the backside, and they ran him around, but didn't hit him. Our offense was rusty in series 1, and picked up some steam in series 2.

Your young running back is a stud, and he performed well. Stidham is accurate with quick release, receivers all did a good job of catching the ball (as well they should after playing 7on7 for the summer). We don't do that kind of stuff (although i wish we did).

We have our own work to do. I saw some good stuff and some not so good stuff. That's why you have these scrimmages, right?

All in all S'ville was a great test for us early on to expose some issues to work on - call LH mediocre, call it average, call it what you like, we will hold our own through district and if we peak at the right time, I suspect several rounds deep into the playoffs. One of our senior guys last night suffered a concussion and another sat out most of the time due to some injury recovery issues. I have said all along, we make it through pre-district without significant losses due to injury and we will do well this season.

Nice to meet all you Stephenville folks last night. Best of luck to you throughout the season.

[refereedoc]

Thats a bit high, I would say a two TD difference. Our D was told not to touch the QB from the backside, and they ran him around, but didn't hit him. Our offense was rusty in series 1, and picked up some steam in series 2.

Your young running back is a stud, and he performed well. Stidham is accurate with quick release, receivers all did a good job of catching the ball (as well they should after playing 7on7 for the summer). We don't do that kind of stuff (although i wish we did).

We have our own work to do. I saw some good stuff and some not so good stuff. That's why you have these scrimmages, right?

All in all S'ville was a great test for us early on to expose some issues to work on - call LH mediocre, call it average, call it what you like, we will hold our own through district and if we peak at the right time, I suspect several rounds deep into the playoffs. One of our senior guys last night suffered a concussion and another sat out most of the time due to some injury recovery issues. I have said all along, we make it through pre-district without significant losses due to injury and we will do well this season.

Nice to meet all you Stephenville folks last night. Best of luck to you throughout the season.

Panfan is a class act. We all had a good visit with him, Ville D and Hollywood. I thought your assessment was pretty much right on. You guys will be a force in Region 4. I am glad we got to play a quality opponent in a scrimmage. My son said the guys from LH were nice guys and there was very little trash talking between the 2 teams. Good luck the rest of the year!

[jason]

Here are some stats from the scrimmage.
http://m.yourstephenvilletx.com/sports/stephenville/jackets-dominates-scrimmage-s-early-going/article_4ca8e703-f54f-5b32-960f-66c3606801b0.html?mode=jqm

[cowboyandchrist]

It is time for my two cents. I believe the Ville will be the team to beat in DI, I wish Carthage and the Ville could meet up, but the Dawgs from what I was told looked OK but not no where near on the level of last year. I feel coach S will have them ready when district rolls around but this may very well be a rebuilding year. I hope I am wrong.
On another note, the Tatum Eagles scored 7 TDS and did not give up any scores, stud players all over the field. The Q/B jammed his thumb in the first series and did not play anymore. It was the first time I have ever heard of a Tatum team where no one played both ways. They are my dark horse for DII. The Junkyard dog DEFENSE is for real. The offense is scary good and they have 3 receivers 6ft 4in or better and can fly. Will be fun keeping up with them this year.

[Dawgs]

as usual no love for the Ricebirds nothing new just some good motivation to prove wer better than they think we are.

How are the Rice Birds looking this year? Y'all going to be up for a long playoff run? Anything like the 2012 team? I know last year y'all were a little down, but history says y'all will bounce back this year. Region 3 is going to be tough!

[Dawgs]

It is time for my two cents. I believe the Ville will be the team to beat in DI, I wish Carthage and the Ville could meet up, but the Dawgs from what I was told looked OK but not no where near on the level of last year. I feel coach S will have them ready when district rolls around but this may very well be a rebuilding year. I hope I am wrong.
On another note, the Tatum Eagles scored 7 TDS and did not give up any scores, stud players all over the field. The Q/B jammed his thumb in the first series and did not play anymore. It was the first time I have ever heard of a Tatum team where no one played both ways. They are my dark horse for DII. The Junkyard dog DEFENSE is for real. The offense is scary good and they have 3 receivers 6ft 4in or better and can fly. Will be fun keeping up with them this year.

Cowboy we are going to have to wait and see how good or bad Carthage is going to be. It's just too hard to predict replacing that many 3 year starters. I do know we are going to be really good up front defensively, and I'm sure we will have a good offensive line. Other than that it's hard to say. I want to say we will have a year like 2011, but we had one of the best players in 3a that year in Ed Pope. Although I am excited about this season no way we are a top 5 team in 4a at this point in the season. I have all the faith in the world in Surratt, but it's going to be a tall order this season. I'm ready for some Friday night lights!!

[speedbump]

How are the Rice Birds looking this year? Y'all going to be up for a long playoff run? Anything like the 2012 team? I know last year y'all were a little down, but history says y'all will bounce back this year. Region 3 is going to be tough!

The Birds will be big, fast and physical across the board and they should be as good or better than the 2012 team. The D is already better IMO and if they don't get hit with injuries will be one of the toughest in the state. The offense will be a little harder to defend with all that passing they may do. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they threw the thing 6 or 7 times a game this year. LOL Kevin Dove, 6'1- 220 with speed and great instincts will be hard to stop. He was also the districts D- newcomer as a soph last year at D- tackle. They have a shifty speed back to complement Dove when they need him and the QB is a better passer than Brandle was in 2012 and is a good athlete. If a couple of these kids step up and provide the kind of leadership the 2012 team had this bunch could be something. We shall see.

[hollywood]

Thats a bit high, I would say a two TD difference. Our D was told not to touch the QB from the backside, and they ran him around, but didn't hit him. Our offense was rusty in series 1, and picked up some steam in series 2.

Your young running back is a stud, and he performed well. Stidham is accurate with quick release, receivers all did a good job of catching the ball (as well they should after playing 7on7 for the summer). We don't do that kind of stuff (although i wish we did).

We have our own work to do. I saw some good stuff and some not so good stuff. That's why you have these scrimmages, right?

All in all S'ville was a great test for us early on to expose some issues to work on - call LH mediocre, call it average, call it what you like, we will hold our own through district and if we peak at the right time, I suspect several rounds deep into the playoffs. One of our senior guys last night suffered a concussion and another sat out most of the time due to some injury recovery issues. I have said all along, we make it through pre-district without significant losses due to injury and we will do well this season.

Nice to meet all you Stephenville folks last night. Best of luck to you throughout the season.

Nice to me ya panfan! Class act

It's hard to gage a scrimmage and try to translate what a real game result could be, my comments about 4-5 TD's was based on my memory of what the 2012 team looked like in their first scrimmage. IMO, VILLE 2014 looked stronger on both sides of the ball at this point in the season. We'll see what happens. I was impressed with LH. It's going to be a great year. Wish LH the best this season.

[Rabid Cougar]

We all see way more holding than gets called. I think only one crew from each chapter is assigned to be the "Holding" crew or the "Enforcers". If you are lucky enough to get them, it's gonna be a long night. It don't matter which side you cheer for, as it's usually an equal opportunity flag fest. The Gilmer - Chapel Hill game last year had to have taken at least 5 hours to play.

"Holding Crew", "Enforcers" really? Or could it be that there was a lot of holding called because there is holding on every play..called or not.

[waterboy]

"Holding Crew", "Enforcers" really? Or could it be that there was a lot of holding called because there is holding on every play..called or not.

True dat, but good grief that game was sloppy!

[Eagleborn]

On another note, the Tatum Eagles scored 7 TDS and did not give up any scores, stud players all over the field. The Q/B jammed his thumb in the first series and did not play anymore. It was the first time I have ever heard of a Tatum team where no one played both ways. They are my dark horse for DII. The Junkyard dog DEFENSE is for real. The offense is scary good and they have 3 receivers 6ft 4in or better and can fly. Will be fun keeping up with them this year.

QB dislocated his thumb. Not the first time that's happened to him. Got it put back in place later that night at hospital. Good news is it's not his throwing hand.

Also, there's ONE WR that's 6-4... Other two are 6-3 and 6-2.

A handful will play both ways but no one will start both ways.


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[Dawgs]

QB dislocated his thumb. Not the first time that's happened to him. Got it put back in place later that night at hospital. Good news is it's not his throwing hand.

Also, there's ONE WR that's 6-4... Other two are 6-3 and 6-2.

A handful will play both ways but no one will start both ways.


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Sounded better the way Cowboy said it!! Why can't you let him have his fun, he is a great story teller! 😜

[regaleagle]

Sounds to me like Tatum will have one heckuva basketball team with those tall guys, lol.

[waterboy]

Sounds to me like Tatum will have one heckuva basketball team with those tall guys, lol.

They are good at basketball for sure, although they did lose their head basketball coach. Don't know how that will affect them yet. I suspect they will still be good for a deep run, but in 4A there's a couple of teams out there that will be extremely tough to beat...

[movethechain]

"Holding Crew", "Enforcers" really? Or could it be that there was a lot of holding called because there is holding on every play..called or not.

Uh, did you not read my first sentence?

[buckeyebob]

Sounds to me like Tatum will have one heckuva basketball team with those tall guys, lol.

Since Tatum is the Carthage Farm Team, they will probably go there, for basketball.

[Dawgs]

Since Tatum is the Carthage Farm Team, they will probably go there, for basketball.

We need to call up some of those boys to the big leagues this year before week 5

[Eagleborn]

They are good at basketball for sure, although they did lose their head basketball coach. Don't know how that will affect them yet. I suspect they will still be good for a deep run, but in 4A there's a couple of teams out there that will be extremely tough to beat...

New hoops coach last name is Boxell.... If you know that name then you'll know what kind of season Tatum will have.

[Eagleborn]

Since Tatum is the Carthage Farm Team, they will probably go there, for basketball.

Can't remember the last time we got someone at least decent from Carthage...

Marshall is our farm system.

[Eagleborn]

Since Tatum is the Carthage Farm Team, they will probably go there, for basketball.

Can't remember the last time we got someone at least decent from Carthage...

Marshall is our farm system.

[waterboy]

New hoops coach last name is Boxell.... If you know that name then you'll know what kind of season Tatum will have.

Yes, Boxell has been a proven winner, but in 4A there's always those teams from Madison and that other school from the Houston area... Can't remember their name 'cause I blocked it out.:D Needless to say, it will be a lot tougher in 4A than it was in 3A.

[Eagleborn]

No doubt.


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[lostaussie]

Football season guys..................really, its FOOTBALL SEASON :D

[regaleagle]

New hoops coach last name is Boxell.... If you know that name then you'll know what kind of season Tatum will have.

Argyle knows the name.....Brock has one son and Krum the other. Then there's the dad that coaches at Bowie. Which one is now at Tatum? I think Lance left Krum and joined Coppell.

[waterboy]

Football season guys..................really, its FOOTBALL SEASON :D

Football season? Dang! I musta missed it!:bigcry:

Are you gonna come out and see the scrimmage Thursday?

[lostaussie]

If it starts around 7 or so I might get out for a while. Like to see what we are looking like.

[Eagleborn]

Argyle knows the name.....Brock has one son and Krum the other. Then there's the dad that coaches at Bowie. Which one is now at Tatum? I think Lance left Krum and joined Coppell.

Layne.


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[waterboy]

If it starts around 7 or so I might get out for a while. Like to see what we are looking like.

The JV and freshmen start at 6, and the varsity follows. They usually get started around 7:30.

[buckeyebob]

We need to call up some of those boys to the big leagues this year before week 5

That is the truth...I see y'all having your hands full Week 5...if there is a change, I will let you know...you may want to consider capitulation.

[Dawgs]

That is the truth...I see y'all having your hands full Week 5...if there is a change, I will let you know...you may want to consider capitulation.

Prolly so, this year might be a rebuilding year. I know Surratt will out coach Traylor on a bad day, but I just don't know if we have the jimmies and joes this year. We will know before week 5 if it's going to be a ball game or not. I'll tell you what...you guys spot us Blake Lynch and McLane Carter and it will be a heck of a ball game I promise you that :p.

[Aggie98]

Can't remember the last time we got someone at least decent from Carthage...

Marshall is our farm system.

Better than Sabine.

[lostaussie]

Prolly so, this year might be a rebuilding year. I know Surratt will out coach Traylor on a bad day, but I just don't know if we have the jimmies and joes this year. We will know before week 5 if it's going to be a ball game or not. I'll tell you what...you guys spot us Blake Lynch and McLane Carter and it will be a heck of a ball game I promise you that :p.I always like the Carthage sandbagging. Those boys will be ready for us, I guarantee that. Plenty of Jimmies and Joes over their................and your freaking monster o and d lines nearly always manhandle us. I really never have figured out why our lineman are generally, although very well coached, undersized.

[waterboy]

Prolly so, this year might be a rebuilding year. I know Surratt will out coach Traylor on a bad day, but I just don't know if we have the jimmies and joes this year. We will know before week 5 if it's going to be a ball game or not. I'll tell you what...you guys spot us Blake Lynch and McLane Carter and it will be a heck of a ball game I promise you that :p.

Since you're asking..., how about we spot you the Boyd brothers, Devin Smith, Jamel Jackson, Quinn Fluellen, Chase Tate, Cambron Granville, Nick Smith, and Kelton Collier, too? You will be hearing these names a lot this season, and several of these next year. I believe y'all need to do better at recruiting from your farm teams...:D

[waterboy]

I always like the Carthage sandbagging. Those boys will be ready for us, I guarantee that. Plenty of Jimmies and Joes over their................and your freaking monster o and d lines nearly always manhandle us. I really never have figured out why our lineman are generally, although very well coached, undersized.

True dat. They always have monster sized lines, and many skill players to boot. Sandbagging is a good word, especially when you consider what they've had to work with over the past seven years. If "coaching" were the same, their "Jimmys and Joes" would match us, and they would surpass us on their lines.

We should be a little bigger on the o-line this year. The d-line will not be big but they will be cat quick, with fast and mean linebackers.

[lostaussie]

with fast and mean linebackers.I love to watch Demarco Boyd play. Kid is a beast and has so much fun playing. Sky is the limit for that kid!!!

[87coog]

as usual no love for the Ricebirds nothing new just some good motivation to prove wer better than they think we are.

I don't get it? and you guys have numbers coming back on both sides

[waterboy]

I love to watch Demarco Boyd play. Kid is a beast and has so much fun playing. Sky is the limit for that kid!!!

Personally, I think he is just as fast, and just as mean as Josh Walker. He will definitely be compared to him. I think Demarco could be a little better than Josh if he avoids injuries, and continues to excel. Kids like that are definitely fun to watch.

[lostaussie]

Personally, I think he is just as fast, and just as mean as Josh Walker. He will definitely be compared to him. I think Demarco could be a little better than Josh if he avoids injuries, and continues to excel. Kids like that are definitely fun to watch.I know we are way off topic as this is listed as "AP Poll" :D but i firmly believe, although he is just a Junior this seson, that before its all said and done, Demarco Boyd may end up being the most famous Buckeye of all time. He's that good.

[waterboy]

I know we are way off topic as this is listed as "AP Poll" :D but i firmly believe, although he is just a Junior this seson, that before its all said and done, Demarco Boyd may end up being the most famous Buckeye of all time. He's that good.

Yep, we hijacked the "AP" thread, but who cares? The AP is pretty clueless anyway.:D

I can agree with you on Demarco. If he keeps his head on straight the kid has a very bright future.

[Dawgs]

Since you're asking..., how about we spot you the Boyd brothers, Devin Smith, Jamel Jackson, Quinn Fluellen, Chase Tate, Cambron Granville, Nick Smith, and Kelton Collier, too? You will be hearing these names a lot this season, and several of these next year. I believe y'all need to do better at recruiting from your farm teams...:D

We wouldn't want y'all to spot your home grown talent. I just want y'all to spot the move-ins. I heard all those boys you mentioned names plenty last year. Y'all should be good this season. Series is tied 1-1 in recent years so hopefully we can get a game going the next few years to really get a good rivalry heated up. These sporadic meetings isn't fair to the fans who want to know who the top dog in ETX really is!

[Dawgs]

True dat. They always have monster sized lines, and many skill players to boot. Sandbagging is a good word, especially when you consider what they've had to work with over the past seven years. If "coaching" were the same, their "Jimmys and Joes" would match us, and they would surpass us on their lines.

We should be a little bigger on the o-line this year. The d-line will not be big but they will be cat quick, with fast and mean linebackers.

I promise I am not sandbagging. We will have to wait and see with this years Carthage team. As you said we always have awesome O and D lines, and that should continue this year. We are just unproven at the skill positions. Shouldn't be a problem though...plenty in the cupboard before, and that shouldn't change. Hopefully our next big time players will come to the forefront this year. Btw we heard all about y'all's how mean y'all defense was last year, and then we witnessed the "white" flag defense against Kilgore. Again we are hearing all the hype about Gilmer, just like last year but I will wait and see. Once y'all beat a physical team that is up to the challenge of Traylor's scheme I'll believe Gilmer is world beaters.

Im not not sure about the comment about coaching were the same, but if your saying that our coaching isn't the same I'll counter with 4 in 6. Enough said...one of the best coaching staffs in 4a. We always get the most out of our Jimmies and Joes I can assure you.

[Dawgs]

I always like the Carthage sandbagging. Those boys will be ready for us, I guarantee that. Plenty of Jimmies and Joes over their................and your freaking monster o and d lines nearly always manhandle us. I really never have figured out why our lineman are generally, although very well coached, undersized.

Seriously I don't get it either. I know that they are always a good group and we'll coached, but where are all the bigger kids at. Do they just not come out, or do y'all just grow'em smaller over there? I know y'all have D1 athletes all over the field, but you never here about any big time D1 lineman in the recent years.

[waterboy]

I promise I am not sandbagging. We will have to wait and see with this years Carthage team. As you said we always have awesome O and D lines, and that should continue this year. We are just unproven at the skill positions. Shouldn't be a problem though...plenty in the cupboard before, and that shouldn't change. Hopefully our next big time players will come to the forefront this year. Btw we heard all about y'all's how mean y'all defense was last year, and then we witnessed the "white" flag defense against Kilgore. Again we are hearing all the hype about Gilmer, just like last year but I will wait and see. Once y'all beat a physical team that is up to the challenge of Traylor's scheme I'll believe Gilmer is world beaters.

Im not not sure about the comment about coaching were the same, but if your saying that our coaching isn't the same I'll counter with 4 in 6. Enough said...one of the best coaching staffs in 4a. We always get the most out of our Jimmies and Joes I can assure you.

I have never, and never will say Gilmer is "world beaters". The hype is something I don't create, even though my confidence is as it should be with my being a homer, lol. I am always optimistic when I see what we have in the stable, but we all know they still have to go out there and prove themselves worthy of any hype that's brought on. I've seen teams here that didn't live up to the hype, and I've seen teams that have. We never know for sure what's gonna happen once they start playing for real.

As for the comment about the coaching, you misunderstood me entirely. I said if coaching "were" equal, y'all would've had just as much of an advantage as us, maybe more considering y'all are always a lot bigger on your lines. Carthage has had a massive offensive line for nearly a decade now, and there's always those skill players that can match what we've had. Some years we may have a few more outstanding skill kids than y'all, but Carthage has always had the advantage in the trenches.

By the way, I don't think there's a better HS football coach out there than Scott Surratt when it comes to keeping his players grounded in big-game situations. He has a lot of help with the staff he has at his disposal, too.

[Dawgs]

I have never, and never will say Gilmer is "world beaters". The hype is something I don't create, even though my confidence is as it should be with my being a homer, lol. I am always optimistic when I see what we have in the stable, but we all know they still have to go out there and prove themselves worthy of any hype that's brought on. I've seen teams here that didn't live up to the hype, and I've seen teams that have. We never know for sure what's gonna happen once they start playing for real.

As for the comment about the coaching, you misunderstood me entirely. I said if coaching "were" equal, y'all would've had just as much of an advantage as us, maybe more considering y'all are always a lot bigger on your lines. Carthage has had a massive offensive line for nearly a decade now, and there's always those skill players that can match what we've had. Some years we may have a few more outstanding skill kids than y'all, but Carthage has always had the advantage in the trenches.

By the way, I don't think there's a better HS football coach out there than Scott Surratt when it comes to keeping his players grounded in big-game situations. He has a lot of help with the staff he has at his disposal, too.

I am a closet Buckeye fan! I just know y'all like to get all riled up and claim to be world beater. Waterboy, you and most of the posters on this site with the exception of Bob always give good information and I like hearing about the Bucks over here. I have a lot of respect for the program, an even though I think Traylor is kind of a jerk I respect the way he builds a team. I always see the buckeyes giving respect to other teams they play. Btw like I said in my post I didn't understand the comment about coaching...I'm clear now :-)

[Dawgs]

I know it will not happen this year or prolly any year...BUT wouldn't Gilmer vs Stephenville be an awesome game this season? Talk about an offensive affair. Anybody want to give any predictions on a hypothetical game? I'll take Gilmer based soley on ETX speed!

[jason]

I'll take Gilmer based soley on ETX speed!
that's what everyone said for the kilgore game two years ago

[lostaussie]

I know it will not happen this year or prolly any year...BUT wouldn't Gilmer vs Stephenville be an awesome game this season? Talk about an offensive affair. Anybody want to give any predictions on a hypothetical game? I'll take Gilmer based soley on ETX speed!it would certainly be fun to watch. I was actually hoping for a non-district neutral site between these teams. What a great atmosphere that would have been.

[Dawgs]

that's what everyone said for the kilgore game two years ago

Same thing they said about the Kilgore game last year too huh?

[Dawgs]

On a serious note although both have plenty of team speed I don't think Kilgore and Carthage teams are known for there speed as much a there size and physicality. When you talk about ETX speed you are talking the Gilmers, Dangerfields, and Tatums of the ETX world. Most years those teams have awesome team speed.

[buckeyebob]

Prolly so, this year might be a rebuilding year. I know Surratt will out coach Traylor on a bad day, but I just don't know if we have the jimmies and joes this year. We will know before week 5 if it's going to be a ball game or not. I'll tell you what...you guys spot us Blake Lynch and McLane Carter and it will be a heck of a ball game I promise you that :p.

Yep...let see...when was the last time Dawgs spotted us anything?

[buckeyebob]

I know we are way off topic as this is listed as "AP Poll" :D but i firmly believe, although he is just a Junior this seson, that before its all said and done, Demarco Boyd may end up being the most famous Buckeye of all time. He's that good.

Yep...but he is a defense lineman...they can't run with the ball.

[buckeyebob]

Seriously I don't get it either. I know that they are always a good group and we'll coached, but where are all the bigger kids at. Do they just not come out, or do y'all just grow'em smaller over there? I know y'all have D1 athletes all over the field, but you never here about any big time D1 lineman in the recent years.

We sneak one in every so often...David Snow...we always have a small D compared to most...we are poor and don't have the advantages afforded to the well off's...Carthage, Tatum, etc...we just have to make do

[waterboy]

Yep...but he is a defense lineman...they can't run with the ball.

Demarco has been moved to outside linebacker this season, Josh Walker's old position his sophomore and junior years. I think he'll wreak havoc at any position he plays, though. He's that good. He will get quite a few carries out of the backfield this year, too.

[Aggie98]

On a serious note although both have plenty of team speed I don't think Kilgore and Carthage teams are known for there speed as much a there size and physicality. When you talk about ETX speed you are talking the Gilmers, Dangerfields, and Tatums of the ETX world. Most years those teams have awesome team speed.

I agree. Most years we are lucky to have 1 kid who can run a sub 4.5-40. Gilmer has a dozen of them. Tatum too.

[waterboy]

We sneak one in every so often...David Snow...we always have a small D compared to most...we are poor and don't have the advantages afforded to the well off's...Carthage, Tatum, etc...we just have to make do

Don't forget Jenkins who played for Missouri. Our offensive line has been on the small size overall since the '09 season. We have some larger classes coming up, though, in size and numbers.

[waterboy]

I agree. Most years we are lucky to have 1 kid who can run a sub 4.5-40. Gilmer has a dozen of them. Tatum too.

Speed seems to be in abundance every year. It's been that way for the past 40 years at least. It's the gene pool. A lot of these players that have been playing I went to school with their daddys, uncles, cousins, etc. Now, if we could just get some gene pools over here with size...

[hollywood]

I don't get it? and you guys have numbers coming back on both sides

Until they meet the Best from the West in Reg 1. :D

[hollywood]

Same thing they said about the Kilgore game last year too huh?

Not a pissing match Dawgs... you know why the Ville lost to Kilgore last season. Because cowboy said they would! :D

[lostaussie]

Not a pissing match Dawgs... you know why the Ville lost to Kilgore last season. Because cowboy said they would! :D:thumbsup:

[Dawgs]

Not a pissing match Dawgs... you know why the Ville lost to Kilgore last season. Because cowboy said they would! :D

Well Ol Cowboy is 1 for 20 on predictions. But he did say the Bulldogs would win the title last year, so maybe he is 2 for 21. He says Tatum will win it this year so we will see!

[Dawgs]

Speed seems to be in abundance every year. It's been that way for the past 40 years at least. It's the gene pool. A lot of these players that have been playing I went to school with their daddys, uncles, cousins, etc. Now, if we could just get some gene pools over here with size...

It's crazy how fast Gilmer is everytime I've seen them play. I remember when Chris Tate was a freshman when we came to Gilmer. They ran a reverse and I was like where did that little munchkin come from. He looked like he ran a sub 4 forty as a freshman. I don't know why I remember that. Maybe a lot of it has to do with those black uni's always makes kids look bigger and faster!

[lostaussie]

It's crazy how fast Gilmer is everytime I've seen them play. I remember when Chris Tate was a freshman when we came to Gilmer. They ran a reverse and I was like where did that little munchkin come from. He looked like he ran a sub 4 forty as a freshman. I don't know why I remember that. Maybe a lot of it has to do with those black uni's always makes kids look bigger and faster!Well, its Chase Tate..........but we know what you mean:D

[buckeyebob]

Demarco has been moved to outside linebacker this season, Josh Walker's old position his sophomore and junior years. I think he'll wreak havoc at any position he plays, though. He's that good. He will get quite a few carries out of the backfield this year, too.

I would hate to know I had Demarco heading at me with the ball...he looked great @ Whitehouse

[buckeyebob]

Don't forget Jenkins who played for Missouri. Our offensive line has been on the small size overall since the '09 season. We have some larger classes coming up, though, in size and numbers.

My Bad...sorry for leaving Mr. Jenkins out.

[buckeyebob]

Speed seems to be in abundance every year. It's been that way for the past 40 years at least. It's the gene pool. A lot of these players that have been playing I went to school with their daddys, uncles, cousins, etc. Now, if we could just get some gene pools over here with size...

One of my old friends was Chase Tate's grandpappy, Levoy...now feel old.

[buckeyebob]

It's crazy how fast Gilmer is everytime I've seen them play. I remember when Chris Tate was a freshman when we came to Gilmer. They ran a reverse and I was like where did that little munchkin come from. He looked like he ran a sub 4 forty as a freshman. I don't know why I remember that. Maybe a lot of it has to do with those black uni's always makes kids look bigger and faster!

Wait 'til you see him now...Slot Receiver...something else...he makes defense guys cry.

[Aggie98]

I know it will not happen this year or prolly any year...BUT wouldn't Gilmer vs Stephenville be an awesome game this season? Talk about an offensive affair. Anybody want to give any predictions on a hypothetical game? I'll take Gilmer based soley on ETX speed!

Would be a fun one to watch for sure. Gilmer would have a definite advantage in speed, but S'ville's offensive line would give Gilmer fits.


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[cowboyandchrist]

Well Ol Cowboy is 1 for 20 on predictions. But he did say the Bulldogs would win the title last year, so maybe he is 2 for 21. He says Tatum will win it this year so we will see!

How about 6 for 20 I picked The Dawgs to win all four state Championships and Tatum to win three of the two they won. Heck I even pick Gilmer to win in the ones they played in. I think my winning percentage is pretty dang good. This year I have a feeling the Ville and Navasota will but heads in the championship and Tatum and WOS in DII. My hope is the Dawgs win DI and the Eagles win DII.

[Dawgs]

How about 6 for 20 I picked The Dawgs to win all four state Championships and Tatum to win three of the two they won. Heck I even pick Gilmer to win in the ones they played in. I think my winning percentage is pretty dang good. This year I have a feeling the Ville and Navasota will but heads in the championship and Tatum and WOS in DII. My hope is the Dawgs win DI and the Eagles win DII.

I hope it's the Dawgs and Eagles bringing home the trophy this year too CC! Looks like Tatum did pretty well in the scrimmage tonight. Looks like Gilmer and Kilgore were pretty even in there scrimmage. We will know a lot about Gilmer and Tatum pretty early this season. I would love to see the Eagles pull out a victory. We will know more soon.

[buckeyebob]

How about 6 for 20 I picked The Dawgs to win all four state Championships and Tatum to win three of the two they won. Heck I even pick Gilmer to win in the ones they played in. I think my winning percentage is pretty dang good. This year I have a feeling the Ville and Navasota will but heads in the championship and Tatum and WOS in DII. My hope is the Dawgs win DI and the Eagles win DII.

No way...if that happened, no one would be able to stand you

[cowboyandchrist]

No way...if that happened, no one would be able to stand you

Come on BuckeyeBob my friend, Gilmer has taken Tatum to the woodshed so many times, you gotta let us win one every now and then. This year it should be one heck of a ball game. For the first time ever Gilmer will be matched on depth and Tatum just may be faster team wise.

[WOS87]

This year I have a feeling the Ville and Navasota will but heads in the championship and Tatum and WOS in DII. My hope is the Dawgs win DI and the Eagles win DII.

WOS has lost maybe 12 times in 37 years to a school with a smaller enrollment, half of those being Jasper. Sounds good to me! :smoker: True we don't have the best record against East Texas but we did give both Gilmer and Carthage definite runs for their money the years we played them, and have a winning record against both Coldspring and Jasper.

[buckeyebob]

Come on BuckeyeBob my friend, Gilmer has taken Tatum to the woodshed so many times, you gotta let us win one every now and then. This year it should be one heck of a ball game. For the first time ever Gilmer will be matched on depth and Tatum just may be faster team wise.

Yep but you got the Dogs too & already predicting them in Week 5 & now you want Week 3...you get both & you become real stinky

[buckeyebob]

WOS has lost maybe 12 times in 37 years to a school with a smaller enrollment, half of those being Jasper. Sounds good to me! :smoker: True we don't have the best record against East Texas but we did give both Gilmer and Carthage definite runs for their money the years we played them, and have a winning record against both Coldspring and Jasper.

Is Coldspring really East Texas...Jasper we claim...Beaumont not...not sure where Coldspring fits

[jason]

Same thing they said about the Kilgore game last year too huh?
no
nobody would have beat kilgore without a quarterback

[Dawgs]

no
nobody would have beat kilgore without a quarterback

Or a defense...

[WOS87]

Is Coldspring really East Texas...Jasper we claim...Beaumont not...not sure where Coldspring fits

Coldspring is an hour south of Lufkin on the East side of I-45. It's borderline East Texas but Houston doesn't claim it and neither does SE Texas.

[hollywood]

Or a defense...


Stephenville's QB was their defense so to speak. ;)

[Dawgs]

Stephenville's QB was their defense so to speak. ;)

Haha, well I guess that explains it. But with y'all's quick striking offense, ball control offenses like Kilgore make it hard on y'all. If they get one or two stops it puts y'all a little behind the 8-ball. I fully expect to see Ville make another deep run, and face off with Argyle in the semifinals. They may very well get another shoot at Kilgore to see who the best is in a 3 game series. This is gonna be a fun season, I can't wait!

[Dawgs]

I have a question...who is gonna be this years Fairfield? A team that comes out of nowhere and just blows teams out all regular season and into the playoffs.

[2muchOffense]

I personally love playing teams like Kilgore. I love the spread, the Ville offense, and enjoy seeing our boys flying all over the field. However, smash mouth football done right is still a beautiful thing. After seeing the rushing stats from the Gilmer scrimmage I'm counting on the Dawgs being there waiting. Last year Stidham being hurt was a factor in the game but the way the Dawgs played that day they would have won either way. Now I still don't think our recievers are near as good as 2012, but I am sold on our RB Williams. I think he along with Stidham will cause some defensive coordinators to lose some sleep this season. Kilgore lets make it a date! Good luck to you guys on the season and see you in December.

[hollywood]

Haha, well I guess that explains it. But with y'all's quick striking offense, ball control offenses like Kilgore make it hard on y'all. If they get one or two stops it puts y'all a little behind the 8-ball. I fully expect to see Ville make another deep run, and face off with Argyle in the semifinals. They may very well get another shoot at Kilgore to see who the best is in a 3 game series. This is gonna be a fun season, I can't wait!

Likewise Dawgs. Everyone I knew was hoping for a Ville/Carthage final last year.

On the quick strike thoughts... It's actually the other way around. Considering all key play makers on both teams are healthy, the ball control team has more pressure to score every possession. I've seen it a thousand times. If just one drive stalls against a high powered spread offense... game over. It takes the ball control team out of their comfort zone and puts pressure on them having to pass and in most cases is not very effective. But, every blue moon, you'll see a good well balanced team that can do both. Kilgore was that team last year as well as Carthage.

Good luck this season! Hope we get to see either K-town or C-town.

[Aggie98]

no
nobody would have beat kilgore without a quarterback

*dual threat QB

I've run that Carthage game through my brain and my DVR a few hundred times. The thing that really broke our back in that game was Bogey's ability to bring it down and run for 10-15 yards a clip. No way to stop it. We could have dropped another LB in the middle and shut the run down, but he would have picked us apart with the 2 D-1 WR's or the D-1 TE. No way to account for all of them. And their defense was way better than I expected. Way better.


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[hollywood]

I personally love playing teams like Kilgore. I love the spread, the Ville offense, and enjoy seeing our boys flying all over the field. However, smash mouth football done right is still a beautiful thing. After seeing the rushing stats from the Gilmer scrimmage I'm counting on the Dawgs being there waiting. Last year Stidham being hurt was a factor in the game but the way the Dawgs played that day they would have won either way. Now I still don't think our recievers are near as good as 2012, but I am sold on our RB Williams. I think he along with Stidham will cause some defensive coordinators to lose some sleep this season. Kilgore lets make it a date! Good luck to you guys on the season and see you in December.

Actually, you don't play anymore! Ha!

I do agree on watching a really good smash mouth football team like Kilgore. Carthage did it pretty well in 2010. Some of my favorite smash mouth games to watch were the ole Brownwood teams of the 80's and 90's. The wars Cleburne, Everman and Stephenville had with Brownwood were awesome! One of my top 10 games to witness of all time was the 1996 Brownwood Stephenville game in Brownwood in the first year the UIL implemented overtime. Brownwood won in the 3rd overtime because you had to go for 2 pts. That running back Brownwood had was a freaking work horse, Audy Mitchell. North and South runner. Fans were on their feet almost the entire game. Man I'm ready for some football!

[hollywood]

*dual threat QB

I've run that Carthage game through my brain and my DVR a few hundred times. The thing that really broke our back in that game was Bogey's ability to bring it down and run for 10-15 yards a clip. No way to stop it. We could have dropped another LB in the middle and shut the run down, but he would have picked us apart with the 2 D-1 WR's or the D-1 TE. No way to account for all of them. And their defense was way better than I expected. Way better.


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Yep, good stuff. I was thinking the same when I watched it live on Fox. Too many weapons on offense. I'm looking for Kilgore to be primed and ready to make another deep playoff run.

[Dawgs]

Likewise Dawgs. Everyone I knew was hoping for a Ville/Carthage final last year.

On the quick strike thoughts... It's actually the other way around. Considering all key play makers on both teams are healthy, the ball control team has more pressure to score every possession. I've seen it a thousand times. If just one drive stalls against a high powered spread offense... game over. It takes the ball control team out of their comfort zone and puts pressure on them having to pass and in most cases is not very effective. But, every blue moon, you'll see a good well balanced team that can do both. Kilgore was that team last year as well as Carthage.

Good luck this season! Hope we get to see either K-town or C-town.

Yes you are correct Hollywood. I was more referring to last years game between Kilgore and Ville with a healthy QB. Kilgore was able to score on pretty much every drive. The year before y'all were able to get some stops, and it was a different outcome. I wouldn't say Kilgore was balanced last year, but you are correct Carthage was very balanced. Kilgore just had the perfect recipe along with a little help from Stidham's hammy. Dominating line play, good secondary, and a ball control power running game. That's a pretty good football recipe no matter who you play. As for Carthage this season the verdict is still out. We shall see. At this point I would say the K-Dawgs have a better shot of making a date with Ville this season. We shall be where the chips fall later on in the season.

[Dawgs]

*dual threat QB


I've run that Carthage game through my brain and my DVR a few hundred times. The thing that really broke our back in that game was Bogey's ability to bring it down and run for 10-15 yards a clip. No way to stop it. We could have dropped another LB in the middle and shut the run down, but he would have picked us apart with the 2 D-1 WR's or the D-1 TE. No way to account for all of them. And their defense was way better than I expected. Way better.


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Your right Aggie. That was the deal breaker. Y'all had a excellent defensive game plan really except accounting for that, which had not been shown pretty much all season. No way could it have been in the game plan to stop that, and like you said even if it was the extra man taken out of coverage would have killed y'all. We looked very pedestrian passing the ball with the exception of a few big plays. Y'all's secondary played a great game considering the weapons they were facing. I had a feeling our defense was kinda out secret weapon. Only the people who watched the defense get better all year knew how good they had gotten. Most of the other fan bases seen what we did the first 4 games, and then seen us get 60+ put on us by Whitehouse. Then came district which for the most part were scrubs with the exception of Jasper, and they ran the ball extremely well against us. Our defense continued to get better every week, and I truly believe by the time the playoffs rolled around we were the best in 3a. The Sota game sold me on them, an then the La Grange game sealed it for me.

[Aggie98]

I personally love playing teams like Kilgore. I love the spread, the Ville offense, and enjoy seeing our boys flying all over the field. However, smash mouth football done right is still a beautiful thing. After seeing the rushing stats from the Gilmer scrimmage I'm counting on the Dawgs being there waiting. Last year Stidham being hurt was a factor in the game but the way the Dawgs played that day they would have won either way. Now I still don't think our recievers are near as good as 2012, but I am sold on our RB Williams. I think he along with Stidham will cause some defensive coordinators to lose some sleep this season. Kilgore lets make it a date! Good luck to you guys on the season and see you in December.

Man, I hope we can make it far enough to see you guys again.... But it'll be a much, much tougher road to get there for us. I think we'll cross paths with Navasota in round 3 (assuming we even get there), and they'll be just as big, fast, and physical as we are or more so.

As for smash mouth football..... It's just what we do. We seldom have a great QB. Good receivers are even more rare. But we always have big, ugly, mean hombres in the trenches and we always, always have stud running backs.


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[Dawgs]

Well I went to the Carthage Whitehouse scrimmage last night. Neither was very impressive to be honest. Not much happening in the controlled portion, and Whitehouse won the live half 24-21. The Dawgs scored twice quickly making the score 14-0. But mistakes and a couple of big plays from Whitehouse and the half ended 24-21. It was only a scrimmage obviously, and I think we found some things that need to be worked on. Our offensive line and run game definitely need some work. Our QB was actually pretty impressive. He has a strong arm and throws a really nice deep ball. Blisset is going to be a heck of a QB. I think that was a real bright spot. We need to work on some dropped passes. We had a long for sure TD hit a receiver right in the hands and he dropped it, and several other dropped passes. There will definitely be some growing pains, but honestly I saw enough last night to have a pretty good feeling about this team going forward. I have no doubt by the time district rolls around we will be a good ball team. With that said we have a very tough preseason schedule. 3 5a teams, Gladewater, and Gilmer. It's going to be tough starting district with a wining record IMO. On another note we had a player who I think was a freshman #25. If he is really a freshman that's going to be the next Dwight Smith. You heard it here first.

[buckeyebob]

Well I went to the Carthage Whitehouse scrimmage last night. Neither was very impressive to be honest. Not much happening in the controlled portion, and Whitehouse won the live half 24-21. The Dawgs scored twice quickly making the score 14-0. But mistakes and a couple of big plays from Whitehouse and the half ended 24-21. It was only a scrimmage obviously, and I think we found some things that need to be worked on. Our offensive line and run game definitely need some work. Our QB was actually pretty impressive. He has a strong arm and throws a really nice deep ball. Blisset is going to be a heck of a QB. I think that was a real bright spot. We need to work on some dropped passes. We had a long for sure TD hit a receiver right in the hands and he dropped it, and several other dropped passes. There will definitely be some growing pains, but honestly I saw enough last night to have a pretty good feeling about this team going forward. I have no doubt by the time district rolls around we will be a good ball team. With that said we have a very tough preseason schedule. 3 5a teams, Gladewater, and Gilmer. It's going to be tough starting district with a wining record IMO. On another note we had a player who I think was a freshman #25. If he is really a freshman that's going to be the next Dwight Smith. You heard it here first.

Yep...another Dwight Smith is something I would like to see...the last time we saw Dwight...well all I remember was his backside going yonder.