Islamic Terrorist Compound in Sweeny

[SHSBulldog00]

This is not a joke. I just heard the news.

Article 1 (http://www.conservativeinfidel.com/muslim-2/fbi-docs-alleged-islamic-terrorist-training-compound-discovered-rural-texas/)

Article 2 (http://www.wnd.com/2014/02/new-terror-compound-found-in-heart-of-texas/)

[D'Highlander]

That is nuckin futs...

[bobcat1]

I don't know what to say other than it needs to be resolved now. Bring our men and women home in the Arm Services. Station them at our borders. Throw these terrorists on a slow boat to China or Pakistan or Iran. No new people in ever.

[ronwx5x]

According to what I can find with a very superficial search this group has been in existance since at least 2005. Were the people (police?) unaware of it for almost 9 years? They must be a real problem is they were just now discovered.

[Weebe]

There ought to be enough rednecks around Sweeny to take care of this for us.

[ronwx5x]

I don't know what to say other than it needs to be resolved now. Bring our men and women home in the Arm Services. Station them at our borders. Throw these terrorists on a slow boat to China or Pakistan or Iran. No new people in ever.

From what my superficial search found, it appears that this "compound" is made of of Americans, not foreigners.

[scrub c]

There ought to be enough rednecks around Sweeny to take care of this for us.

True

[Crow22]

True

My 12 guage is loaded.

[D'Highlander]

There ought to be enough rednecks around Sweeny to take care of this for us.

Islamic Terrorist should not be taken lightly... ask our young men in Afghanistan.

[scrub c]

If Im not mistaken, thats kinda close to an oil refinery...

[Cam]

These folks have been here a long time fellas.....it's only a matter of time before something crazy happens...them bastards are very patient....Shoot, when I first moved to Burnet 8 years ago my neighbors told me this:

1) Two men were detained near Buchanan Dam (my back yard basically). They only had cameras with them. Both were from Jordan and neither were here legally. From what I understand, they were taken in, questioned, and deported. As we all know, since 9/11, dams are considered terrorist targets...last time my boys and I hiked towards it, we had a chopper hovering over us in no time..Our security is watching activity as best they can it seems......I've been working on my breast stroke in case that damn dam gets blown cause if it does I'll be hauling ass down the Colorado trying to stay afloat!!

2) About 4 years ago, another lady neighbor of mine who walks her dog every evening came upon two Arab looking men in the neighborhood. Again, they had cameras. She had the guts to approach them and ask questions. They told her they were photographers taking pictures of the sunset.....she got suspicious cause according to her, the sun had been down for quite some time....she called authorities but they jumped in their car and were long gone.....The crazy thing is, during the spring and summer we get a lot of folks coming into our neighborhood to take pics of all the bluebonnets and other flowers and stupid deer that hang around.... Shoot, I've had folks help themselves to my property to take pics....I really don't mind I guess...as long as they're not carrying AK-47's!!....:eek:

[BB BULLS]

my quetion is why has there been nothing done by our goverment to stop this if they know they are here? it is just crazy and real crazy to be in Texas, everyone knows that just about ever person in Texas have guns and are not scared to use them. guess you just never know.

[SHSBulldog00]

EMS have to have police escorts when they are called out there. In 2002 a member was accidentally shot by another and died. Two state troopers went to investigate and 15 compound inhabitants drew high powered machine guns on them. They would not allow them on the property. We have had drones, fighter jets and military helicopters fly over Sweeny for several years. (I have seen them)

Phillips 66 and ChevronPhillips have a refinery just miles away from the compound. (It is the major employer for Sweeny and WC.) A friend of mine says he knows some of them work at the Sweeny refinery and at the DOW refinery in Freeport.

The government has not done anything as they consider the Pakistani-based militant group Jamaat al-Fuqra in recent annual terrorism reports under ‘other terrorist groups,’ i.e., groups that had carried out acts of terrorism but that were not formally designated by the Secretary of State. However, because of the group’s inactivity during 2000, it was not included in the most recent terrorism report covering that calendar year.”

This organization has ties to Hezbollah and Al Qaeda as well as the abduction of American journalist Daniel Pearl (who was later beheaded), Richard Reid, the infamous “shoe bomber” who attempted to ignite explosives aboard a Paris-to-Miami passenger flight Dec. 22, 2001, Beltway sniper John Muhammad also has been tied to the group, and there is circumstantial evidence that links it to Oklahoma University bomber Joel Hinrichs, Sheik Mubarak Ali Gilani, is there Islamic cleric.

Gilani was a close associate of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who sent convicted conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui to live with Jamaat al-Fuqra member Melvin Lattimore and attend flight school in Norman, Okla.

These are some BAD people folks.

[BB BULLS]

[QUOTE=SHSBulldog00;1804482]EMS have to have police escorts when they are called out there. In 2002 a member was accidentally shot by another and died. Two state troopers went to investigate and 15 compound inhabitants drew high powered machine guns on them. They would not allow them on the property. We have had drones, fighter jets and military helicopters fly over Sweeny for several years. (I have seen them)

man that is just crazy i wonder what the state troopers did, did they just leave? i would think when someone pulls a gun on a law officer that means trouble. guess they was out numbered. they should have got alot back up and just went in there and smoked all of them scum.

[ronwx5x]

EMS have to have police escorts when they are called out there. In 2002 a member was accidentally shot by another and died. Two state troopers went to investigate and 15 compound inhabitants drew high powered machine guns on them. They would not allow them on the property. We have had drones, fighter jets and military helicopters fly over Sweeny for several years. (I have seen them)

Phillips 66 and ChevronPhillips have a refinery just miles away from the compound. (It is the major employer for Sweeny and WC.) A friend of mine says he knows some of them work at the Sweeny refinery and at the DOW refinery in Freeport.

The government has not done anything as they consider the Pakistani-based militant group Jamaat al-Fuqra in recent annual terrorism reports under ‘other terrorist groups,’ i.e., groups that had carried out acts of terrorism but that were not formally designated by the Secretary of State. However, because of the group’s inactivity during 2000, it was not included in the most recent terrorism report covering that calendar year.”

This organization has ties to Hezbollah and Al Qaeda as well as the abduction of American journalist Daniel Pearl (who was later beheaded), Richard Reid, the infamous “shoe bomber” who attempted to ignite explosives aboard a Paris-to-Miami passenger flight Dec. 22, 2001, Beltway sniper John Muhammad also has been tied to the group, and there is circumstantial evidence that links it to Oklahoma University bomber Joel Hinrichs, Sheik Mubarak Ali Gilani, is there Islamic cleric.

Gilani was a close associate of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who sent convicted conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui to live with Jamaat al-Fuqra member Melvin Lattimore and attend flight school in Norman, Okla.

These are some BAD people folks.

I have a difficult time believing that state troopers were intimidated and refused entry.

Fighter jets and helicopters (don't know about drones) fly over my subdivision on an almost daily occurance.

[SHSBulldog00]

I have a difficult time believing that state troopers were intimidated and refused entry.

Fighter jets and helicopters (don't know about drones) fly over my subdivision on an almost daily occurance.

I can't confirm the drones but was told about that.

[D'Highlander]

That is amazing

[carter08]

When I was home for break, me & my friends were bored & just decided to cruise the B-Co backroads. Stopped on the side of county road 3 to pee. Am now terrified that I did that.

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[D'Highlander]

How is the community reacting?

[waterboy]

Something definitely needs to be done about these people. I guess we'll just have to wait until they kill hundreds, or even thousands of people in order for the government to do anything. They better have that place bugged, names of all the people, and have a perimeter around them knowing what they are doing or planning. I can guarantee you they are up to NO good. Look what the government did in Waco when they found out they had weapons. These people are KNOWN to have automatic weapons, training terrorists, and are still not being dealt with.

[Macarthur]

This is concerning. I would be willing bet, though, that the local federal authorities are well aware of them and are keeping pretty close tabs on them. I'm not really sure what can be done, especially if as some on here have said, most of these folks are americans.

[Rabid Cougar]

These folks have been here a long time fellas.....it's only a matter of time before something crazy happens...them bastards are very patient....Shoot, when I first moved to Burnet 8 years ago my neighbors told me this:

1) Two men were detained near Buchanan Dam (my back yard basically). They only had cameras with them. Both were from Jordan and neither were here legally. From what I understand, they were taken in, questioned, and deported. As we all know, since 9/11, dams are considered terrorist targets...last time my boys and I hiked towards it, we had a chopper hovering over us in no time..Our security is watching activity as best they can it seems......I've been working on my breast stroke in case that damn dam gets blown cause if it does I'll be hauling ass down the Colorado trying to stay afloat!!

2) About 4 years ago, another lady neighbor of mine who walks her dog every evening came upon two Arab looking men in the neighborhood. Again, they had cameras. She had the guts to approach them and ask questions. They told her they were photographers taking pictures of the sunset.....she got suspicious cause according to her, the sun had been down for quite some time....she called authorities but they jumped in their car and were long gone.....The crazy thing is, during the spring and summer we get a lot of folks coming into our neighborhood to take pics of all the bluebonnets and other flowers and stupid deer that hang around.... Shoot, I've had folks help themselves to my property to take pics....I really don't mind I guess...as long as they're not carrying AK-47's!!....:eek:

I wouldn't worry too much about anybody blowing any dams up.

In regards to anybody drawing weapons on State of Texas DPS troopers? You thought the Branch Davidian Compound was a shoot out?

[SHSBulldog00]

How is the community reacting?

The community is in shock and really worried about what might happen.

['Necks 2013-14]

All I can say is...."I got a shotgun rifle and a 4wheel drive and a country boy WILL survive!"

[Weebe]

To make you all feel better, Sweeny is about 25 miles from the Nuclear plant outside Bay City.

[Roughneck93]

To make you all feel better, Sweeny is about 25 miles from the Nuclear plant outside Bay City.

That came to mind. Scary....

[Phantom Stang]

All I can find about this on the Internet, is on websites of the "ax to grind" variety. Nothing by the Houston Chronicle, or Fox News even...

[Tejastrue]

Article 1 posted by George Washington..lol

[D'Highlander]

Is it pretty dry down there? It might be a good time for an accidental grass fire to start up wind of that place...

[MUSTANG69]

All I can find about this on the Internet, is on websites of the "ax to grind" variety. Nothing by the Houston Chronicle, or Fox News even...

Fox News is reporting on this matter this morning.

[D'Highlander]

Fox News is reporting on this matter this morning.

Are they confirming what we have heard so far?

[MUSTANG69]

Are they confirming what we have heard so far?


Sorry but I didn't get to hear all of the report. They were talking about 22 camps and said they would have a full report later.

[Manso/V8]

This is concerning. I would be willing bet, though, that the local federal authorities are well aware of them and are keeping pretty close tabs on them. I'm not really sure what can be done, especially if as some on here have said, most of these folks are americans.

Are they real Americans?

[Macarthur]

Are they real Americans?

What is a real American and what is not a real American?

[BB BULLS]

What is a real American and what is not a real American?

dont fall for it Manso he just want to argue. but i will answer. a American is someone who is in this country legal and loves this country. does everything they can to make America the best country. If you fly a country flag in your yard and it is not the American flag you need to leave and never come back. thats M.O if you dont like it you can leave to. this will be my only reply to the stupid question that was asked

[Snotbubbles]

What is a real American and what is not a real American?

Real: Hannity, Beck, Cain, Cruz, Bush, Reagan, Kennedy, Lincoln, you know-- those who follow our constitution.

Not Real: Obama, you, Gore, Holder, Reid, Pelosi

[Macarthur]

dont fall for it Manso he just want to argue. but i will answer.

Lol


a American is someone who is in this country legal and loves this country. does everything they can to make America the best country. If you fly a country flag in your yard and it is not the American flag you need to leave and never come back. thats M.O if you dont like it you can leave to. this will be my only reply to the stupid question that was asked

:)

[Macarthur]

real: Hannity, beck, cain, cruz, bush, reagan, kennedy, lincoln, you know-- those who follow our constitution.

Not real: Obama, you, gore, holder, reid, pelosi

lol.

[Tejastrue]

Fox News. It is combined with another terror threat story. If you want to skip it starts about the 1:45 mark. Sorry, you may have to watch a John Cornyn political message....

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3230301823001/jihadist-enclave-in-heart-of-texas/#sp=show-clips

[Macarthur]

You know what's great is that most of these, no response what so ever is even needed. :rolleyes:

[YTBulldogs]

Fox News. It is combined with another terror threat story. If you want to skip it starts about the 1:45 mark. Sorry, you may have to watch a John Cornyn political message....

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3230301823001/jihadist-enclave-in-heart-of-texas/#sp=show-clips

Damn, remove the media from the area, and go in and kill them all. Come out, tell media no one was there. Plant crops on the land, raise some cattle. This is crazy. Clean it up.

[BB BULLS]

You know what's great is that most of these, no response what so ever is even needed. :rolleyes:

well that would be no fun

[Snotbubbles]

Damn, remove the media from the area, and go in and kill them all. Come out, tell media no one was there. Plant crops on the land, raise some cattle. This is crazy. Clean it up.

Yeah right. Not under this admin. Have to wait till 2016 before removing them.

[BB BULLS]

Yeah right. Not under this admin. Have to wait till 2016 before removing them.

who says the goverment has to do anything? one day they are there next day they gone.

[D'Highlander]

I still like my controlled burn idea...

[BB BULLS]

I still like my controlled burn idea...

that is a good idea, but you still will need several well armed people stationed in the right places to pick off the ones that try to get way.

[YTBulldogs]

I still like my controlled burn idea...

Yes. As a firefighter myself, those control burns can become out of hand quickly. Can consume entire compounds on windy days.;)

Great idea D'H.:thumbsup:

BB, schedule a turkey shoot nearby on the control burn day.

[D'Highlander]

Yes. As a firefighter myself, those control burns can become out of hand quickly. Can consume entire compounds on windy days.;)

Great idea D'H.:thumbsup:

BB, schedule a turkey shoot nearby on the control burn day.

Bingo

[BB BULLS]

Yes. As a firefighter myself, those control burns can become out of hand quickly. Can consume entire compounds on windy days.;)

Great idea D'H.:thumbsup:

BB, schedule a turkey shoot nearby on the control burn day.

thats would be no problem, hell i would even throw in $500.00 for most hits

[YTBulldogs]

thats would be no problem, hell i would even throw in $500.00 for most hits

:clap:Love them true Americans over in Bellville. Or, is it real Americans.

[waterboy]

thats would be no problem, hell i would even throw in $500.00 for most hits

I'm a marksman. Tell me when!

[YTBulldogs]

I'm a marksman. Tell me when!

Awwww, I knew them ET boy's would help out for a great cause. Love them Gilmer folks. They are very good shots. I remember my Daingerfield days. Bet they could hook them with a fishing pole cast too. Is Catfish Village still open out near Ore City on Hwy 155? Love the hush puppy's.

[waterboy]

Awwww, I knew them ET boy's would help out for a great cause. Love them Gilmer folks. They are very good shots. I remember my Daingerfield days. Bet they could hook them with a fishing pole cast too. Is Catfish Village still open out near Ore City on Hwy 155? Love the hush puppy's.

Yep, still open, and still good. Catch 'til you win! Or is it Pitch 'til you win?

[BB BULLS]

Awwww, I knew them ET boy's would help out for a great cause. Love them Gilmer folks. They are very good shots. I remember my Daingerfield days. Bet they could hook them with a fishing pole cast too. Is Catfish Village still open out near Ore City on Hwy 155? Love the hush puppy's.

i would bet we could round up alot of help pretty easy

[Cam]

When I was home for break, me & my friends were bored & just decided to cruise the B-Co backroads. Stopped on the side of county road 3 to pee. Am now terrified that I did that.

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your peepee may have been "droned" and now you're a star with all the female drone operators back at the base!!....

[Saggy Aggie]

To make you all feel better, Sweeny is about 25 miles from the Nuclear plant outside Bay City.

This is exactly what I was thinking lol

Can't believe we've got terrorists just up the road a couple blocks. That oughta make for some good signs at next years game

Blow up the bulldogs, etc...

[Roughneck93]

Today from our local paper, The Facts.....

Report’s alleged jihadist community has been in county for more than 30 years, officials say
Sheriff: Muslims in Sweeny no threat

By ANDY PACKARD andy.packard@thefacts.com | Posted: Friday, February 21, 2014 2:00 am

SWEENY — Officials say there is no cause for concern about a Muslim community located in the western part of Brazoria County, despite online claims it is a jihadist training ground.

Located about 10 miles north of Sweeny in the 7000 block of CR 3, the gated residence consists of more than 20 acres of private property and includes multiple buildings, Brazoria County Sheriff Charles Wagner said. It is not known how many people are living in the commune, he said.

The farming community is part of the Muslims of the Americas Inc., founded by El Sheikh Syed Mubarik Ali Shah Gillani in 1980 and comprised of indigenous American Muslims, according to a video provided by the organization.

A man at the front gate of the commune would not speak about the group when approached Wednesday by The Facts. The African-American man, wearing a white polo with khaki pants, was suspicious, asking for identification and credentials. He said others have approached members of the community claiming to be reporters.

Officials of the Muslims of the Americas are not granting any interviews, due to past reports resulting in suspicion and negativity toward their communities and way of life, spokesman Matthew Gardner said in an email Thursday afternoon.

LOCAL HISTORY

The Brazoria County Sheriff’s Office has known about the presence of the commune since it was established more than 30 years ago, Wagner said.

It twice has been registered as a non-profit organization with the Texas Secretary of State — in 2005 and 2011 — as the Muslim Model Community of Texas, according to online records, though its status was forfeited in 2012.

Wagner stressed it is not a compound, but a community of several people who are residents of the county, the state of Texas and citizens of the United States, he said.

There are men, women and children living there who work for local companies and attend local schools and deserve the same services the county provides to all other residents, Wagner said.

“Those folks have the same rights as anyone else, and we’re sworn to protect the citizens of Brazoria County, and we will,” Wagner said. “My advice is just to leave them alone.

“If anything happens out there, let the sheriff’s office take care of it,” he said.

ONLINE REPORT

An article posted online Tuesday by The Clarion Project that quickly went viral claims declassified FBI documents confirm the existence of an Islamic jihadist enclave near Sweeny. An investigation conducted by The Clarion Project, along with ACT! For America Houston, claims the group is linked to Jamaat al-Fuqra, a Pakistani-based militant group.

Attempts to verify the documents with the FBI were unsuccessful Thursday afternoon.

The Clarion Project is a nonprofit organization “dedicated to exposing the dangers of Islamic extremism,” according to its website. ACT! For America Houston is a group promoting programs teaching people to participate in the defense of America at the city, state and national level, according to its website.

In the article, ACT! For America Houston said when its researchers were seen by members of the commune, they were met with hostility. It goes on to say one resident gave them a final warning to leave, although its researchers were not trespassing.

According to the article, ACT! For America Houston and Clarion Project investigators found unspecified ammunition shells around the property, and neighbors have heard gunfire come from the commune, according to the online article.

ACT! For America Houston said in an email late Thursday the organization wanted to find any potential threats that could affect the area. If its research into the location and ownership of the compound proved correct, the location of the community would provide easy access to those who want to harm Houston’s airports, waterway systems and chemical plants.

The group referred to The Clarion Project’s report in response to many of the questions posed by The Facts.

QUIET HISTORY

Since the Clarion Project report became widely read online, the Brazoria County Sheriff’s Office has received calls from residents asking about the existence of a possible terror cell in the area, Wagner said.

The sheriff’s office has only been called to the community twice, both times for accidental shootings, Sheriff’s Capt. Chris Kincheloe said.

In April 2013, EMS responded to a call about an accidental shooting and waited for deputies to arrive in order to enter onto the gated property to treat the victim, Kincheloe said.

Once inside the gates, residents became offended the ambulance would not come into the compound immediately, and a confrontation ensued, ending with two people being arrested and charged with interference of public duties, he said.

The other incident occurred in 2002, when a person was shot and killed on the property, but a grand jury did not return an indictment, satisfied the death was an accident, he said.

The community only seems to be very protective of its privacy, and the Brazoria County Sheriff’s Office does not consider it any more a cause for concern than any other part of the county, Kincheloe said. Most of the complaints coming from the area stem from its residents not being very hospitable.

“We’ve had some issues out there, but for the most part, they haven’t been hospitable with their neighbors,” Kincheloe said. “When you’re silent, people become offended.

“Are they a cause for concern? I don’t know, but they don’t seem to be bothering anyone,” Kincheloe said.

REASONS FOR SUSPICION

Despite not wanting to speak to the media, The Muslims of the Americas sent The Facts videos explaining who they are and what the organization is about.

According to statements in the videos, in June 2013, a man drove past the property for about four hours. Showing footage of the front of the commune, the video states he then entered the community uninvited, identifying himself as an agent from Homeland Security to one resident, then as a landscaper to another.

Later that day, the video claims, neighbors approached members of the commune, saying the man was gathering information for “Twilight In America,” a book written by Martin Mawyer. Mawyer is the founder of Christian Action Network, which is Muslims of the Americas’ main opposition, according to the video.

The agency that would know about any terrorist activity coming from the enclave would be the Joint Terrorism Task Force of the FBI, Kincheloe said. If any activity warrants serious concern — more than the normal criminal activity the sheriff’s office handles — administrators will forward the information to the task force.

FBI authorities could not comment on any information the bureau has about the group, but if anyone in the community was charged with a federal crime, that would become public information, said Shauna Dunlap, spokeswoman for the FBI’s Houston bureau.

The FBI does not maintain a record of everyone living in the commune, so authorities are not aware of anyone there having any charges filed against them, Dunlap said.

Dunlap recommends any time anyone reads or hears about information regarding a crime or terrorist activity, the source should be authenticated before it is reported, she said.

“In today’s world of blogs and different idealogically-slanted groups, I would ensure that people independently verify anything that comes from someone else,” Dunlap said.

http://thefacts.com/news/article_d430438a-609e-5f97-afb2-11f790de98dc.html

[Macarthur]

The authorities are aware of them. Frankly, I think this is all a bit alarmist.

[Manso/V8]

What is a real American and what is not a real American?

It is hard to describe in words, but you can tell when you are around them.

[Manso/V8]

Here is a little something.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/022114-690860-obama-immigration-reforms-seem-to-come-with-religious-test.htm?ref=SeeAlso

[Macarthur]

It is hard to describe in words, but you can tell when you are around them.

The problem with this is who gets to make that judgement. I'm quite sure by your next post that you are not comfortable with this administration making that determination.

[Manso/V8]

The problem with this is who gets to make that judgement. I'm quite sure by your next post that you are not comfortable with this administration making that determination.

Mac, my first post about "real Americans" was somewhat tongue-in-check, but then again, there is some truth in it. If you think all legal citizens contribute to making this country great, the All-Star team of the world so to speak, then I don't think you are paying attention, or perhaps are not being entirely honest with yourself.

The link to the Investor's Business Daily article/blog was just for interest, not tied to my views........but since you asked, no I am not comfortable with this administration, or any administration, setting immigration policy, or De facto determining who is allowed to immigrate to this country by selectively enforcing the laws in place.

[BB BULLS]

they are more than likely hiding something JMO

[D'Highlander]

they are more than likely hiding something JMO

I don't trust anyone who lives in a compound....

[BB BULLS]

I don't trust anyone who lives in a compound....

the way i look it if you have nothing to hide why not let someone in to have a look around, see whats going on.

[D'Highlander]

the way i look it if you have nothing to hide why not let someone in to have a look around, see whats going on.

Especially when they have shooting accidents. They are training for something.

[SHSBulldog00]

A friend just sent me this on fb.

http://www.wnd.com/2014/02/texas-police-double-as-mahmoudbergs-militia/

[waterboy]

They can attack a religious cult compound because they think he owns automatic weapons, at least that was the premise before the attack, yet they won't attack a compound that has KNOWN automatic weapons, and are KNOWN to be training terrorists. What's wrong with this picture?

[Macarthur]

They can attack a religious cult compound because they think he owns automatic weapons, at least that was the premise before the attack, yet they won't attack a compound that has KNOWN automatic weapons, and are KNOWN to be training terrorists. What's wrong with this picture?

I'm sure there's more to this than what we know on the surface. And I think one of the reasons they may be more cautious is because the FBI got such a black eye on the Waco thing.

Let's also be careful jumping to any conclusions from a WND article. If i get called to the carpet for using NYT or the like, then we damn sure need to recognize the slant that WND provides.

[YTBulldogs]

I'm sure there's more to this than what we know on the surface. And I think one of the reasons they may be more cautious is because the FBI got such a black eye on the Waco thing.

Let's also be careful jumping to any conclusions from a WND article. If i get called to the carpet for using NYT or the like, then we damn sure need to recognize the slant that WND provides.

Mac, go in the compound and get the scoop first hand. Willing to bet, they'll let you in amongst them.

[Macarthur]

You know, I'm a big believer in 'if you leave them alone, they will leave you alone'. He's pretty nutty about a lot of things, but Ron Paul is right, IMO, about our policies and involvement in the ME and how that has manifest itself leading up to and since 9/11.

[YTBulldogs]

You know, I'm a big believer in 'if you leave them alone, they will leave you alone'.

But, if they don't leave you alone, you lose a large number of people. Can't risk that chance IMO.

[Macarthur]

There is a certain 'the horse is already out of the barn' aspect to this so I agree with you in that respect.

Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part but I can't help but think the fbi is on this and has a pretty good feel for what is going on in there.

[BB BULLS]

But, if they don't leave you alone, you lose a large number of people. Can't risk that chance IMO.

that is what will happen lost Americans before anything done. if they are who they say they are give someone an interview. as long as we do nothing this will keep going on. the people in office today are a joke and nothimg will ever happen to these kind of people.

[Manso/V8]

Let's also be careful jumping to any conclusions from a WND article. If i get called to the carpet for using NYT or the like, then we damn sure need to recognize the slant that WND provides.

Marked improvement in your critical thinking skills!

[D'Highlander]

You know, I'm a big believer in 'if you leave them alone, they will leave you alone'. He's pretty nutty about a lot of things, but Ron Paul is right, IMO, about our policies and involvement in the ME and how that has manifest itself leading up to and since 9/11.

This should apply differently depending on if "them" are inside or outside of our borders.

[Manso/V8]

This should apply differently depending on if "them" are inside or outside of our borders.

True.

[Macarthur]

This should apply differently depending on if "them" are inside or outside of our borders.

With the sticky wicket obviously being in this case many, if not all, of these folks are American citizens.

[Manso/V8]

With the sticky wicket obviously being in this case many, if not all, of these folks are American citizens.

Sticky wicket indeed, McVeigh was an American citizen.

[D'Highlander]

Sticky wicket indeed, McVeigh was an American citizen.

And the founding fathers were considered terrorist to the English...