Best 3A Teams in Last 5 Years

[regaleagle]

I don't really know which teams in 3A the last 5 seasons have a better record than Todd Rodgers and the Argyle Eagles. Here's a look at their record the past 5 seasons:

2013: 16-0, State Champion DII
2012: 11-2 Lost to Gilmer in DII Quarterfinals, Lost to Wylie in Season Opener...Gilmer lost in State Championship to Navasota
2011: 14-2 Lost to Wimberley in State Final DII, Lost to Prosper in District(defeated them in playoffs).
2010: 13-1 Lost to Carthage in Regional Final DII...Carthage was State Champion.
2009: 12-1 Lost to Pleasant Grove in DI Regional Final....this was considered a big upset.

Total Games: 72; Record: 66-4; Avg. Games/season: 14.4; Winning Percentage: 91.666

I would suspect only Carthage has played as many games, and should have a better record and winning percentage. I would be interested in Stephenville's record during this time period and also that of El Campo, and Chapel Hill. I'm thinking Gilmer's is pretty stout also. Once we have the official numbers, we can rank the teams. What other teams have excellent records the past 5 years???

[bansheefan03]

Carthage
2013: 15-1 state champs div1
2012: 11-3 simi
2011: 9-4
2010: 14-2 state champs div2
2009: 16-0 state champs div2
65-10

[regaleagle]

Carthage
2013: 15-1 state champs div1
2012: 11-3 simi
2011: 9-4
2010: 14-2 state champs div2
2009: 16-0 state champs div2
65-10

75 games total, 15 games/season, 86.666 winning percentage

Most noteworthy stat: 3 SC titles in last 5 seasons, 4 in last 6 seasons.

[WOS87]

meh... I'd rather talk about the last 30 seasons...

West Orange-Stark 295-64-2 (361 games played)

82% winning percentage (30 consecutive non-losing records)




Carthage 241-113-5 (359 games played)

68% winning percentage




Argyle...


didn't exist in 1984, or 1994 even



get back to me when either of you can break 80% over a 30 year span



Stephenville 1984-2013 (285-92-3) 380 games played 75% winning percentage
Gilmer 1984-2013 (253-99-3) 365 games played 72% winning percentage

Celina wins it all 326-59-1... yet most of that was in 2A. The rest played in 4A.

[Tejastrue]

Yeah, I think most of us that post here can boast about a 3-5 year span. I'm with you WOS87. :D

[YTBulldogs]

meh... I'd rather talk about the last 30 seasons...

West Orange-Stark 295-64-2 (361 games played)

82% winning percentage (30 consecutive non-losing records)




Carthage 241-113-5 (359 games played)

68% winning percentage




Argyle...


didn't exist in 1984, or 1994 even



get back to me when either of you can break 80% over a 30 year span

:thumbsup:

[Aesculus gilmus]

In 30 more years, given present voting trends, public schools and thus the UIL will no longer exist.

All the youth will be in some sort of privatized and/or online learning program by then.

State Constitution will have to be changed. Or judges could just begin ignoring it, as occurred at the federal level long ago.

[bansheefan03]

What stat would you rather have winning percentage or average games played per year

[oldtownag]

I don't really know which teams in 3A the last 5 seasons have a better record than Todd Rodgers and the Argyle Eagles. Here's a look at their record the past 5 seasons:

2013: 16-0, State Champion DII
2012: 11-2 Lost to Gilmer in DII Quarterfinals, Lost to Wylie in Season Opener...Gilmer lost in State Championship to Navasota
2011: 14-2 Lost to Wimberley in State Final DII, Lost to Prosper in District(defeated them in playoffs).
2010: 13-1 Lost to Carthage in Regional Final DII...Carthage was State Champion.
2009: 12-1 Lost to Pleasant Grove in DI Regional Final....this was considered a big upset.

Total Games: 72; Record: 66-4; Avg. Games/season: 14.4; Winning Percentage: 91.666

I would suspect only Carthage has played as many games, and should have a better record and winning percentage. I would be interested in Stephenville's record during this time period and also that of El Campo, and Chapel Hill. I'm thinking Gilmer's is pretty stout also. Once we have the official numbers, we can rank the teams. What other teams have excellent records the past 5 years???

I count 6 losses.

[waterboy]

Gilmer hasn't matched Argyle or Carthage over the last five years, but they still are very good. The Buckeyes' record over the last five seasons is 62-9, with two finals appearances, and one state title. If we went back the last ten years, the Buckeyes' record would is 125-15, with two state titles, and four finals appearances.

[jason]

To stick with the original post - Stephenville 2009-2013

2009: 4A 9-3 Lost to Aledo in OT in what many thought to be a de facto state title game (Aledo state champs)
2010: 4A 8-6 Lost to Aledo in Reg Final (Aledo state champs)
2011: 4A 11-3 Lost to Aledo in Reg Final (Aledo state champs)
2012: 3A 14-1 D1 State Champs
2013: 3A 12-2 Lost to Kilgore in State Semifinals

54-15
69 games played. 13.8 games per season.

[regaleagle]

Hey, it ain't Argyle's or Coach Rodgers fault they've only been in business for 12 seasons now. I think that winning percentage in those 12 years is well over 80% though, and they've made the playoffs every single year. It's not a 5 year span....it's a 12 year span that's a great record. But I did the last 5 yrs. to see who's done the best recently. The high school football landscape has changed in the last 10 yrs., so with the new schools and the spread offenses now its a different era.

BTW, Argyle won this season and last mainly running the ball out of the spread/pistol. They ran a lot more than passed. Just something to chew on. Well...it wasn't a lot more, but more. The offense was fairly balanced, but the running game numbers were higher.

[WOS87]

Hey, it ain't Argyle's or Coach Rodgers fault they've only been in business for 12 seasons now. I think that winning percentage in those 12 years is well over 80% though, and they've made the playoffs every single year. It's not a 5 year span....it's a 12 year span that's a great record. But I did the last 5 yrs. to see who's done the best recently. The high school football landscape has changed in the last 10 yrs., so with the new schools and the spread offenses now its a different era.

BTW, Argyle won this season and last mainly running the ball out of the spread/pistol. They ran a lot more than passed. Just something to chew on. Well...it wasn't a lot more, but more. The offense was fairly balanced, but the running game numbers were higher.

You're wrong on several accounts. They did NOT make the playoffs all 12 years and they do NOT have a winning percentage over 80%. Nothing against Argyle and what they've achieved recently. Much congratulations on the success!

2002 1-9
2003 5-5
2004 10-3
2005 11-4
2006 7-4
2007 10-3
2008 7-5
2009 12-1
2010 13-1
2011 14-2
2012 11-2
2013 16-0

117-39 overall (75.0% winning percentage)

[regaleagle]

Good....I got you to look up the numbers and do the math for me. Thanks WOS87....I figured that last post would do it, LOL. This first year was only Fresh. and Sophs....not a full team, though. We really don't count that. Take those numbers away and see what it really is. Besides Coach Rodgers started that second season with Fresh. Sophs, and Jrs. and Argyle went 5-5 playing in a district. The first year we were not in district play. I know the history because I was there at the beginning. My son was a freshman in 2003, just one year after the high school was built. The kids previously were attending Justin Northwest. Then they let the Jr. & Sr. classes finish at Justin NW that first and 2nd year. That's how it happened.

So figure 116-30 for the real team in a district. I think that's about right for the number of wins Coach Rodgers has in 11 seasons. He hit 100 last year the game before Argyle was knocked out in the quarterfinals by Gilmer....so that sounds right. So the winning percentage is about 79.5% counting a 5-5 team that didn't have seniors and was only in its first full year in a district. Not bad considering all aspects, wouldn't you agree?

[orange machine]

meh... I'd rather talk about the last 30 seasons...

West Orange-Stark 295-64-2 (361 games played)

82% winning percentage (30 consecutive non-losing records)




Carthage 241-113-5 (359 games played)

68% winning percentage




Argyle...


didn't exist in 1984, or 1994 even



get back to me when either of you can break 80% over a 30 year span



Stephenville 1984-2013 (285-92-3) 380 games played 75% winning percentage
Gilmer 1984-2013 (253-99-3) 365 games played 72% winning percentage

Celina wins it all 326-59-1... yet most of that was in 2A. The rest played in 4A.

Boy those days in the last part there are way long gone!

[rb585]

Hey, it ain't Argyle's or Coach Rodgers fault they've only been in business for 12 seasons now. I think that winning percentage in those 12 years is well over 80% though, and they've made the playoffs every single year. It's not a 5 year span....it's a 12 year span that's a great record. But I did the last 5 yrs. to see who's done the best recently. The high school football landscape has changed in the last 10 yrs., so with the new schools and the spread offenses now its a different era.

BTW, Argyle won this season and last mainly running the ball out of the spread/pistol. They ran a lot more than passed. Just something to chew on. Well...it wasn't a lot more, but more. The offense was fairly balanced, but the running game numbers were higher.

They might have won state in 2011 if they'd stuck to running the ball. :p

[regaleagle]

Yeah, I think most of us that post here can boast about a 3-5 year span. I'm with you WOS87. :D

Okay, let's talk about the last 10 seasons. That should give all teams a fair shake. Here's Argyle's record the last 10 seasons:

111-25; 136 games; 13.6 games/season; 81.617 winning percentage; playoffs every single year; 3 state finals appearances; 1 SC title.

I don't know what the rest of your 3A teams did, but I'd put those numbers in the Top 10 for sure, and maybe the Top 5, and maybe even the Top 3. You don't have to like it, but that's the numbers from a school that plays a fairly stout schedule every year against some very good football programs.

[WOS87]

Okay, let's talk about the last 10 seasons. That should give all teams a fair shake. Here's Argyle's record the last 10 seasons:

111-25; 136 games; 13.6 games/season; 81.617 winning percentage

I don't know what the rest of your 3A teams did, but I'd put those numbers in the Top 10 for sure, and maybe the Top 5, and maybe even the Top 3. You don't have to like it, but that's the numbers from a school that plays a fairly stout schedule every year against some very good football programs.

You brought my OCD out... it's on!

WO-S 101-21; 122 games, 12.2 games/season; 82.79% winning percentage, 20 wins against 4A programs included in that (and we had multiple games cancelled due to Hurricanes Rita and Ike and even one this past season so games/season doesn't mean much)

You realize you're gonna make me stay up late when I have to work tomorrow ;p

[cowboyandchrist]

Okay, let's talk about the last 10 seasons. That should give all teams a fair shake. Here's Argyle's record the last 10 seasons:

111-25; 136 games; 13.6 games/season; 81.617 winning percentage; playoffs every single year; 3 state finals appearances; 1 SC title.

I don't know what the rest of your 3A teams did, but I'd put those numbers in the Top 10 for sure, and maybe the Top 5, and maybe even the Top 3. You don't have to like it, but that's the numbers from a school that plays a fairly stout schedule every year against some very good football programs.

I will take 4 state championships in 10 years over any winning percentage. Non district games have no meaning for the Dawgs other than to prepare them for district and beyond. It will take to many years for anyone to catch WOS in playoff appearances.

[regaleagle]

You brought my OCD out... it's on!

WO-S 101-21; 122 games, 12.2 games/season; 82.79% winning percentage, 20 wins against 4A programs included in that (and we had multiple games cancelled due to Hurricanes Rita and Ike and even one this past season so games/season doesn't mean much)

You realize you're gonna make me stay up late when I have to work tomorrow ;p


C'mon Starky, you know you're gonna watch the Bama/Okie game tonite. And BTW, the Mustangs are without a doubt one of the best in the state over that period. But thanks for all the work on Argyle. It's nice to see that complete history posted so even the Argyllians(some of whom were not around then) could see the history. Also, it's a pretty good illustration of how a successful program can evolve and shows the evolution thru each successive season. Great work, Starky. And now to the Sugar Bowl.

[Tejastrue]

Come on regal. You know I'm just yanking your chain. Enjoy it while it lasts. Never know when a good coach will up and leave.

[regaleagle]

Come on regal. You know I'm just yanking your chain. Enjoy it while it lasts. Never know when a good coach will up and leave.

Oh, it's just a matter of time when Coach Rodgers goes.....his son will be a Sr. at qb next season. How do you think he got Shay Nanny to come over from Hebron to be the OC at Argyle, huh? Shay has an extensive legacy of quality coaching stops that includes a SC title at Hebron in 4A. Now they are 5A, and I don't know if they will go 6A next year when everybody else moves up, but I assume they will. I think Argyle is in good hands for the forseeable future, Tejas. They've already made plans for that. This was his first season at Argyle, and next season may be his last as the OC at Argyle....if you catch my drift. I'm not saying anything except he's sitting in the catbird's seat....so to speak. Why would he give up his job at Hebron to take a similar position at Argyle....normally considered a step down....if there was not a carrot dangling.

[waterboy]

I will take 4 state championships in 10 years over any winning percentage.

This! I'd much rather have the rings than winning percentage...

[buckeyebob]

Here is a couple of things to compare with the Buckeyes:

Last 12 years - 63-2 in district play (4 of those years in the District of Doom)
Last 14 years - no athlete inelligble to play because of grades

Argyle might be able to do this...I do not know of any other in 3A that can come close...eat our dust

[jason]

Last 14 years - no athlete inelligble to play because of grades

That's pretty impressive.

[ctown81]

I don't think win percentage is the best way to measure this. Hypothetically you can have a team go 10-0 five straight seasons an lose in the first round of the playoffs but have a great record. Playoff runs are the best way to measure this. Besides, Carthage doesn't treat pre-season games as must win.

[Rabid Cougar]

Officially, the Cameron Yoemen. Undefeated against 3A the past five years.

[buckeyebob]

That's pretty impressive.

Thanks...something we work very hard for...almost lost it with two Bozos this year...they pt on their Big Boy Pants & made it.

[caleb_mccaig]

Thanks...something we work very hard for...almost lost it with two Bozos this year...they pt on their Big Boy Pants & made it.

Being a student of a public 3A high school in the late 2000's, you have to pretty much do zero work or try to fail in high school. With retests and what not, no one should ever come close. It's amazing to me how some people do it.

[rb585]

That's pretty impressive.

It is. It must take a massive amount of coordination among the school faculty to not assign a failing grade to a football player for 14 years.

[waterboy]

It is. It must take a massive amount of coordination among the school faculty to not assign a failing grade to a football player for 14 years.

Yep...

OR, it could be a lot of tutoring programs for students having difficulty. Hmmmm...

[WOS87]

I don't think win percentage is the best way to measure this. Hypothetically you can have a team go 10-0 five straight seasons an lose in the first round of the playoffs but have a great record. Playoff runs are the best way to measure this. Besides, Carthage doesn't treat pre-season games as must win.

I'm not denying Carthage has kicked a$$ the last 6 years but... lets drop out predistrict games

Carthage 52-10 in district games since dropping to 3A in 2002 (7 consecutive playoff appearances)
WO-S 55-1 in district games since dropping to 3A in 2004 (10 consecutive playoff appearances)

WO-S 17-0 in District games, 9-3 in Playoff games losing to 2 State Champs in the playoffs in the last 3 years
Carthage 11-1 in District games, 11-2 in Playoff games losing to 0 State Champs in the playoffs in the last 3 years (there was that State Championship this year though which throws a wrench in this lol)

Carthage is the toughest to skew stats against but I CAN do it! :p

[regaleagle]

I count 6 losses.

That's because you're the only one that can count, LOL.

[buckeyebob]

I'm not denying Carthage has kicked a$$ the last 6 years but... lets drop out predistrict games

Carthage 52-10 in district games since dropping to 3A in 2002 (7 consecutive playoff appearances)
WO-S 55-1 in district games since dropping to 3A in 2004 (10 consecutive playoff appearances)

WO-S 17-0 in District games, 9-3 in Playoff games losing to 2 State Champs in the playoffs in the last 3 years
Carthage 11-1 in District games, 11-2 in Playoff games losing to 0 State Champs in the playoffs in the last 3 years (there was that State Championship this year though which throws a wrench in this lol)

Carthage is the toughest to skew stats against but I CAN do it! :p

I am counting 46-10 in district play since dropping to 3A in 2002 for Carthage...I am missing something.