Cowboys vs Eagles

[Roughneck93]

NFC East Championship Game...

Go Cowboys!

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[Old Tiger]

first

[regaleagle]

NFC East Championship Game...

Go Cowboys!

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YEP....this is what it's come down to nowadays for the Boyz, that's for sure, haha.

[regaleagle]

Guess what my brother says about tonite's game....nothing, zilch, zero, haha!! I reckon it ain't worth gettin' all in a tither over anymore, LOL.

[regaleagle]

Okay, my brother finally said something.....the problem is their defense. He says Lee is out and Ware is playing injured, and they paid too much for Mo Claiborne, so Romo being out don't really matter. He says they ain't got nobody in their right mind that knows how to draft....that JJ is an idiot, haha. You should hear him spouting now. Now he's talking about Romo getting a $108 m contract, and says he would've signed for $50 m, but JJ is off his rocker, LOL. He says Nick Foles shows you don't have to have a $100m qb to get a quality one. Says Romo wasn't going anywhere at his age for $50m, but JJ and his draftheads are nutcases....LMAO, haha.

[Saggy Aggie]

Time to watch the cowpies lose :)

And if by some strange chance they do win, it'll be even better to see FF's response... Haha

[Eagle 1]

So are the romo-sexuals hoping the Cowboys lose?
Just wondering.

[Txbroadcaster]

Blame Orton for the fumble right?

[Roughneck93]

Damn...:foul:

[Roughneck93]

That was DeMarco's first lost fumble of year...

[Macarthur]

F'ing JG. 3rd and 2 , Maury is ballin and that's the play they run. That's why I hate JG.

[Txbroadcaster]

This D cannot get off the field on 3rd down

[Macarthur]

No way this d can hold up.

[Phil C]

The December meltdown continues another year.

[Macarthur]

Heath is not an nfl player.

[Roughneck93]

Heath is not an nfl player.

He's horrible.

[Txbroadcaster]

Philly had gains of 17, 12, 20, 20 & 22 on that drive

[Saggy Aggie]

Heath is not an nfl player.

Well he did make a TD saving tackle on McCoy in open field while McCoy had a full head of steam.

[Macarthur]

Another 3rd and 2 pass! :foul:

[Txbroadcaster]

Philly has run 16 plays. Eagles have 7 plays of 10+ and 4 plays of 20+

[Old Tiger]

Going to go out on a limb here and blame Tony Romo's wife for this loss.

[Macarthur]

Gotta get some points here.

Nice stop by the d.

[Roughneck93]

There we go!

[83Indian]

Nice drive. Defense and Ware need to step it up. At home with the crowd behind you.

[full circle]

turnover!!!!

[Old Tiger]

Lesean McCoy cuts like Barry Sanders.

[Saggy Aggie]

Orton is getting it done lol

[Saggy Aggie]

Lol and then witten gives them an int

[Roughneck93]

Turnovers...:dispntd:

[83Indian]

Just like that, the defense lays an egg

[Old Tiger]

Can y'all believe how big of a asshole that Tony Romo is? Telling his best friend Witten to not make Orton look so good!

[Old Tiger]

The Fake ESPN ‏@TheFakeESPN 43s
Tony Romo angrily throws remote at TV, gets intercepted by his 1-year-old son.

[Macarthur]

Lol and then witten gives them an int

If it were romo then it's a bad throw, huh?

[Macarthur]

The Fake ESPN ‏@TheFakeESPN 43s
Tony Romo angrily throws remote at TV, gets intercepted by his 1-year-old son.

If you think hats funny, you have no sense of humor.

[Old Tiger]

If you think hats funny, you have no sense of humor.

Sad your 'Boys are losing? It's okay, maybe next year!

[Macarthur]

Non cowboy fans that come into a cowboys game thread to talk trash are beyond pathetic.

[Old Tiger]

Non cowboy fans that come into a cowboys game thread to talk trash are beyond pathetic.
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[83Indian]

Well it's closer than I thought it would be. Offensive line is playing well. If the defense can't get pressure on foles, I'm afraid we have no chance to outscore them

[Bullaholic]

As long as the Cowboys don't get a lead, they'll be fine...:D Watch em' pull this one out.

[Macarthur]

The turnovers are just killers right now. Could have the lead.

[Cam]

Cowboys need a turnover to start the 3rd.....

[Roughneck93]

Way to go D.

[83Indian]

Good pressure that series. Need a score on this drive

[regaleagle]

Speaking of laying eggs, sometimes even chickens can have a good day. Let's hope the egg-laying subsides in the 2nd half.

[Cam]

my daughter is at the game...just sent me a pic of her seat....she's way up there!....1st time there, she's happy!

[83Indian]

Dez has to get that.

[Txbroadcaster]

FGs will not win the game

[83Indian]

Come on defensive line. Foles is not good when pressured

[Txbroadcaster]

Dez has to get that.

Philly secondary does not look lost on jump balls LOL

[Roughneck93]

There's that turnover...:clap:

[83Indian]

Haha. Foles is bad under pressure. Keep it up D

[Txbroadcaster]

Check down Orton and another FG

[Roughneck93]

Boo...

[Cam]

does Miles Austin even play anymore?.......Oh wait, I just saw him on the field....wonder if he runs his routes full speed anymore knowing the ball isn't coming his way?.....:doh:

[Bullaholic]

Dangit...Throw it in the end zone and take your chances. There is no next week....

[83Indian]

Way to go defense

[Txbroadcaster]

D is playing balls out..need O to do same

[Cam]

Dangit...Throw it in the end zone and take your chances. There is no next week....


........O ye of little faith........:spitlol:

[Cam]

time to throw the dang ball down the middle of the field!!!!

[Bullaholic]

........O ye of little faith........:spitlol:

.......More, O ye of little score....

[83Indian]

Offense is just ugly

[83Indian]

Need a stop badly

[Txbroadcaster]

Orton's last 3 completions have been 1,1 and -1

[Bullaholic]

Amazing...Carter blew a coverage...

[Roughneck93]

Wow...

[83Indian]

Gotta like chip Kelly's style. Big play for dallas

[Cam]

....I smell a big play coming......:eek:

[Roughneck93]

Geez...are you kidding me!

[Txbroadcaster]

We see now it is not Romo who will not run the ball on short yardage situations

[Macarthur]

Run the gd ball!

[83Indian]

The defense is going to have to score

[Macarthur]

@theunticket: Now it's obvious that abandoning the run has nothing to do with Romo

[Phil C]

The Cowboys are playing a good game but they will still find a way to choke again.

[83Indian]

Need a turnover

[83Indian]

Put in Kitna

[Macarthur]

One coach knows how to run the football late in games.

[regaleagle]

Cowboys make that 1st and its a different ballgame. But alas, no confidence in the run from the OC.

Now everything they do with be too little too late.

[Roughneck93]

Yes!!

[regaleagle]

Now it comes down to the Dallas D again to get the stop.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

who calls these plays? HC or does the cowboys have a OF?

[full circle]

a back shoulder is not high percentage enough to run on 4th down or for a 2 pt play

[Bullaholic]

a back shoulder is not high percentage enough to run on 4th down or for a 2 pt play

And did anybody in the house not know what was coming?

[Roughneck93]

Huge stop.

Here we go...

[Bullaholic]

He comes/goes the season, folks....

[83Indian]

What is baileys range? 55

[Roughneck93]

Lol...

[83Indian]

That had to be Romo

[Bullaholic]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhh.......See you next season...

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Cowboys are just cursed, doesn't matter who's the qb

[83Indian]

If we could have got this defensive effort more often, this game wouldn't matter

[Roughneck93]

Third year in a row...

[SintonFan_inAustin]

If we could have got this defensive effort more often, this game wouldn't matterthis is how it has been for us Cowboy fans, heartbreaking losses every season for awhile now.


we'll give it another shot next season

[full circle]

I was just about to say you can't blame romo....

[Cam]

...what happened?....what did I miss?........my wife said it was a pick.....was Tony in the game?.....I missed it!...was having a diarrhea attack in the crapper!.....dammit!.......

[Tejastrue]

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[bobcat1]

That had to be Romo

Nope just another of many passes thrown behind receivers this year. Dallas D did a great job most of the game setting the edge keeping McCoy contained and he still got 130 yards. Dallas D with 18 different D Lineman this year. No telling how many linebackers. Horrible season play calling by Callahan and Red. Both should be fired. I like the special teams guy though.

[Roughneck93]

:twitch:

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[Old Tiger]

Regardless if Romo played tonight or not that game was going to end like that for the Cowboys.

[Macarthur]

Regardless if Romo played tonight or not that game was going to end like that for the Cowboys.

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[Old Tiger]

:dispntd:

I'm fairly certain history says it would have.

[83Indian]

Regardless if Romo played tonight or not that game was going to end like that for the Cowboys.

Agreed. Philly would have hung 40 on us if Romo played

[full circle]

firing garret is not the answer, we are knocking on the door 3 years in a row, i think garret is a good coach, we need to keep on going as painful as it has been, it was the same in the 60's, stay he course and we will break through.

[full circle]

we win if romo plays

[Old Tiger]

firing garret is not the answer, we are knocking on the door 3 years in a row, i think garret is a good coach, we need to keep on going as painful as it has been, it was the same in the 60's, stay he course and we will break through.

I don't think Garrett is a good coach, He's an average to below average coach. He makes terrible decisions.


Regardless of who the Cowboys coach is they will continue to be average at best but perennially below average due to one man, Jerry Jones.

I can't think of a successful coach who would want to come to Dallas anymore because they will have no control of their team due to Jerry. Parcells was the last and only worked for a few seasons but Jerry had to take HIS team back.

[Old Tiger]

we win if romo plays

1-6 in week 17 or later elimination games says otherwise.

[Txbroadcaster]

I don't think Garrett is a good coach, He's an average to below average coach. He makes terrible decisions.


Regardless of who the Cowboys coach is they will continue to be average at best but perennially below average due to one man, Jerry Jones.

I can't think of a successful coach who would want to come to Dallas anymore because they will have no control of their team due to Jerry. Parcells was the last and only worked for a few seasons but Jerry had to take HIS team back.


Jones would not pay the crazy amount Parcells wanted after not winning a play off game..If Garrett asked for same thing everyone would agree with Jones

[Saggy Aggie]

Even Texan fans like me sit back and laugh :)

[GrTigers6]

1-6 in week 17 or later elimination games says otherwise.

It apparently doesn't matter who the qb is Cowboys are 2-12 in final games of the season since 2000

[D'Highlander]

Ssdd

[Farmersfan]

we win if romo plays


Since 2006 Tony Romo has a 73 QB rating in elimination games. Kyle Orton had a 85 QB rating last night. Just like when Romo plays it is the QB turnovers that kill the opportunity for a win. Although I will say that ANYBODY who watched Orton last night that doesn't think he would have been able to lead this team to a 8-8 record just like Romo did really doesn't know much about football. This has been my point all along. This Cowboy team has been a .500 team for the last 20 years. They were .500 through Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchenson, Drew Brees and any other NO-NAME or HAS-BEEN QB you want to name that has played for the Cowboys. Yet Tony Romo is the only one of all these 20 years worth of QBs that got stamped "FRANCHISE" and got paid a bizillion dollars..... They guarantee him 55 million for repeated 8-8 seasons when they could have gotten the same out of any number of 1 million a year QBs. I don't pretend to know what young up and comer would be better for Dallas but I will say that i know for a fact they won't get better at that position unless they try to get better at that position. The sad part about all this is next season we have to will the fresh young superstar rookie in Houston set the world on fire and we will still be trudging along at 8-8............. :hairpunk:

[buff4ever]

I have not dove in to the ongoing romo saga this season much because it would be the same old chit from the romosexuals, and quite frankly with the injuries our defense was just that bad.

What I would say about the season finale is that our defense stepped up all we could have asked them to last night for what they were playing with. The sad part of it all, even though he threw a pick on the final drive when a field goal would have been enough, Orton did prove he could be productive with this offense, and I agree with FF that he probably could have done about as well as romo did. He would have atleast matched the 8-8 record. Am I saying Orton should be our starting qb over romo? NO. Am I saying that romo is worth the money that JJ threw at him? Hell NO. Am I saying that the team should try and get someone else to become the qb of the cowboys? Hell YES. If the cowboys are going to remain 8-8 for a few more years, they may as well let orton have it, trade off romo and beef up other postitions. This would solve a lot of money problems, not to mention if orton had practiced with first team and got timing down a little better, he may have pulled last night off. He was just a little behind on several passes last night, including the final int.

I have to admit, I thought that they were going to get in field goal range and win that game last night, which was going to shock the world, and make me laugh quite frankly. Then the INT deflated me. But I agree with FF, all that game did was prove that Orton could do what Romo does with this team; so maybe he should make the big bucks too, or maybe we should have never paid romo the big contract to begin with. I think we all know which scenario should be.

To restart the romo saga, You now have Kitna and Orton, two not mega quarterbacks that have played as well or better than romo with our offense. So despite romo's high points, he is apparently very average at best over all, and IN MY OPINION less than average in big pressure games. He plays well with his high points when it doesn't matter or he isn't expected to win (Denver this year), but becomes average or worse when the season is on the line or the pressure is on.

[Macarthur]

Tired argument.

If the defense had played consistently this year like they did last night, this team is an 11 game winner.

Romo put up more than 30points in multiple losses this year. This defense was bad on an unprecedented level. Yet all some can talk about is how we gotta get rid of Romo.

[Txbroadcaster]

Tired argument.

If the defense had played consistently this year like they did last night, this team is an 11 game winner.

Romo put up more than 30points in multiple losses this year. This defense was bad on an unprecedented level. Yet all some can talk about is how we gotta get rid of Romo.

I honestly will never understand the perception that every Cowboy loss is on Romo..and I am talking about people who I feel know football, but for whatever reason the hate for him is so strong they cannot see pass him.

[YTBulldogs]

If ball thrown to Witten on conversion, Boy's still playing. Witten wide open (7 yard pass) after his push off method on LB on 2-pt winning play. Yet, it's thrown out wide, 20 yards away, with tough angle. smh.

[GrTigers6]

I hate to break it to you Romo haters but our Defense was bad in week 1 I believe they gave up 500 yards to a bad giants team. Really and yall want to cry injuries as to why this defense sucked? That is pretty bad hatred for Romo

[GrTigers6]

If ball thrown to Witten on conversion, Boy's still playing. Witten wide open after his push off method on LB on 2-pt winning play. Yet, it's thrown out wide. smh.

No ortons INT would have given them a way to kick winning field goal :D

[YTBulldogs]

No ortons INT would have given them a way to kick winning field goal :D

Probably true. That D would not of held that lead had conversion been good.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Probably true. That D would not of held that lead had conversion been good.This is so true.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

My brother had just called me to say Orton was better than Romo and when he finished saying that Orton throws the pick to end the game and bad part was my tv was ahead of his by about 30 secs so he didn't believe me at first that he just jinx him.

[Macarthur]

Also the offense Orton was playing is not the same as Romo. Can't make any comparison.

[OldBison75]

There are 11 players on the field at a time for the Cowboys. If a play fails to produce, or causes a turnover, it is generally the fault of more than one player. The reality is that no one player can be blamed for the Cowboys woes. This is a team that needs a complete rebuild from the general manager on down. Several of the current players would probably be pro bowlers anywhere else, but the Cowboy culture created by Jerry Jones will never let them be a part of a championship team here.

As for the Romo-Orton argument, Orton played very well and gave the Cowboys a shot a winning last night. But, was he any better when the game was on the line? It is funny that the Romo haters say that the fault lies with Garrett and play calling. Garrett called the same type plays all year for Romo and the mistakes were all Romo's fault. The reality is that all of the offensive failures were from lack of execution from a lot of people.

Defensively, this team was awful all year. They played last night with more emotion and effort than they have in a long time. However, they still have not been consistent all year.

New GM, new coach, and same players could be contenders, but until the team mindset gets fixed there will be no success.

[Farmersfan]

Tired argument.

If the defense had played consistently this year like they did last night, this team is an 11 game winner.

Romo put up more than 30points in multiple losses this year. This defense was bad on an unprecedented level. Yet all some can talk about is how we gotta get rid of Romo.


Actually there were 3 games lost when Romo scored 30 or more points. And 2 of the 3 were lost on Romo late game interceptions........................

[Farmersfan]

I honestly will never understand the perception that every Cowboy loss is on Romo..and I am talking about people who I feel know football, but for whatever reason the hate for him is so strong they cannot see pass him.


I can't imagine anyone has ever said "every loss is on Romo". I certainly wouldn't agree that person has much football knowledge if they did say that. But a portion of every loss is on Romo and that cannot be denied. How much or how little of the blame really goes to Romo depends on how things play out on the field. What so many of you guys do on a consistent basis is like blaming the pit crew for a race car driver not winning. Of course the pit crew has a lot to do with it but ultimately the driver is the one that makes it work on the track. Most of you guys didn't see the things I saw on the field from Orton last night. Or at least you aren't mentioning it. Orton isn't near as athletic or gifted as Romo is but Orton CONTROLLED the defense of the Eagles. They tried blitzing their butts off and never once got to him. The 0-line played well but primarily Orton didn't allow them to get on him. He got rid of the ball quickly and made quick decisions. He read the defense and called the proper audiable. He also made some throws that Romo has been missing a lot lately. His throw over the top to Williams and the bullet to Witten for about 40 were excellent throws and deserve praise. He missed Dez over the top several times and maybe I'm seeing something that isn't there but it seemed to me Dez wasn't fighting for position or running very hard on those routes. I was also stunned at the fact that NEVER in this game did it come down to Orton in a panic trying to get the snap with the play clock running out. Seems like Romo always takes the play close down the very last tick so often the defense doesn't have to time the snap they can simply time the play clock. Would Orton have kept this team in the game against Denver? No way! But they lost that game anyway! Would he have scored as many overall points as Romo or had as high a passer rating as Romo? Probably not. But I think Orton would do just enough for this team to win 8 games and isn't that exactly what they did with Romo?

[Macarthur]

Actually there were 3 games lost when Romo scored 30 or more points. And 2 of the 3 were lost on Romo late game interceptions........................

The point is that when your offense has scored 30 points, you shouldn't have to time after time still win the game on the final drive.

[Bullaholic]

Wonder why the Cowboys didn't put in a special 2-pt conversion play this week for just the situation they found themselves in. Maybe a back shoulder fade fake to Dez and have him spin and go to the back corner up high or some variation like that. The Eagle corner read that play all the way and made the play on the attempt and it was the diff between losing and possible OT.

[Eagle 1]

Wonder why the Cowboys didn't put in a special 2-pt conversion play this week for just the situation they found themselves in. Maybe a back shoulder fade fake to Dez and have him spin and go to the back corner up high or some variation like that. The Eagle corner read that play all the way and made the play on the attempt and it was the diff between losing and possible OT.

They should have ran the ball.

[Macarthur]

Wonder why the Cowboys didn't put in a special 2-pt conversion play this week for just the situation they found themselves in. Maybe a back shoulder fade fake to Dez and have him spin and go to the back corner up high or some variation like that. The Eagle corner read that play all the way and made the play on the attempt and it was the diff between losing and possible OT.

Escobar and witten were both wide open.

[GrTigers6]

Wonder why the Cowboys didn't put in a special 2-pt conversion play this week for just the situation they found themselves in. Maybe a back shoulder fade fake to Dez and have him spin and go to the back corner up high or some variation like that. The Eagle corner read that play all the way and made the play on the attempt and it was the diff between losing and possible OT.
There was still 4 minutes left in the game at that point. Suprising enough the defense held but it may have been different if it was a tie game

[cougartino]

Did anyone on TV or the league ever speak about the speedy play clock that cost us 5 yards?

[buff4ever]

Did anyone on TV or the league ever speak about the speedy play clock that cost us 5 yards?

They would have only allowed that to be a story if we didn't score on that series. Since we did, it became mute, but that was crazy. Everyone in that stadium and watching on tv knew that was too quick.

[buff4ever]

I can't imagine anyone has ever said "every loss is on Romo". I certainly wouldn't agree that person has much football knowledge if they did say that. But a portion of every loss is on Romo and that cannot be denied. How much or how little of the blame really goes to Romo depends on how things play out on the field. What so many of you guys do on a consistent basis is like blaming the pit crew for a race car driver not winning. Of course the pit crew has a lot to do with it but ultimately the driver is the one that makes it work on the track. Most of you guys didn't see the things I saw on the field from Orton last night. Or at least you aren't mentioning it. Orton isn't near as athletic or gifted as Romo is but Orton CONTROLLED the defense of the Eagles. They tried blitzing their butts off and never once got to him. The 0-line played well but primarily Orton didn't allow them to get on him. He got rid of the ball quickly and made quick decisions. He read the defense and called the proper audiable. He also made some throws that Romo has been missing a lot lately. His throw over the top to Williams and the bullet to Witten for about 40 were excellent throws and deserve praise. He missed Dez over the top several times and maybe I'm seeing something that isn't there but it seemed to me Dez wasn't fighting for position or running very hard on those routes. I was also stunned at the fact that NEVER in this game did it come down to Orton in a panic trying to get the snap with the play clock running out. Seems like Romo always takes the play close down the very last tick so often the defense doesn't have to time the snap they can simply time the play clock. Would Orton have kept this team in the game against Denver? No way! But they lost that game anyway! Would he have scored as many overall points as Romo or had as high a passer rating as Romo? Probably not. But I think Orton would do just enough for this team to win 8 games and isn't that exactly what they did with Romo?

Not much of anything can be disputed here. The line did play well, and with more time all year this year, I didn't see romo's play improve that much from last year. Maybe I am starting to pick a little much here.

[Farmersfan]

The point is that when your offense has scored 30 points, you shouldn't have to time after time still win the game on the final drive.


#1. There were 3 games out of a 16 game season. Not time after time.

#2. There were 45 games in just the first 6 weeks of the season where the winner scored 30 points or more. I stopped counting because I assume you get the point. 30 points is not that unusual in the NFL and about half the games each week end up with the winner scoring more than 30. The AVERAGE NFL score this season was 24 points.

[Farmersfan]

Not much of anything can be disputed here. The line did play well, and with more time all year this year, I didn't see romo's play improve that much from last year. Maybe I am starting to pick a little much here.

We have been consistently informed that without Romo this O-line would give up far more sacks. I showed time after time after time how the Dallas O-line was right in the middle of the pack in sacks allowed and most other measurables for offensive lines yet it was always the O-line's fault. Jon Kitna went in and played 7 games as well as Romo and didn't get sacked any more and now Kyle Orton faced one of the toughest pass rushes in the NFL and didn't get touched. In fact going into this game everybody was talking about how Orton was NOT a mobile QB and wouldn't be able to escape the pass rush like Romo does and all Orton did was avoid getting touched by the defense and actually ran for half of Romo's season total in a single game.

[1st and goal]

Dualing Romo threads.
Meh.

[Old Tiger]

They would have only allowed that to be a story if we didn't score on that series. Since we did, it became mute, but that was crazy. Everyone in that stadium and watching on tv knew that was too quick.

moot*

[GrTigers6]

We have been consistently informed that without Romo this O-line would give up far more sacks. I showed time after time after time how the Dallas O-line was right in the middle of the pack in sacks allowed and most other measurables for offensive lines yet it was always the O-line's fault. Jon Kitna went in and played 7 games as well as Romo and didn't get sacked any more and now Kyle Orton faced one of the toughest pass rushes in the NFL and didn't get touched. In fact going into this game everybody was talking about how Orton was NOT a mobile QB and wouldn't be able to escape the pass rush like Romo does and all Orton did was avoid getting touched by the defense and actually ran for half of Romo's season total in a single game.

That is really sad Farmersfan. Orton has 1 carry for 8 yards and Romo has 20 carries for 38 yards but that one carry almost equals room. Ok whatever. ANd also of course you don't mention the 2 interceptions and countless missed passes that Orton had. Very Typical

[buff4ever]

That is really sad Farmersfan. Orton has 1 carry for 8 yards and Romo has 20 carries for 38 yards but that one carry almost equals room. Ok whatever. ANd also of course you don't mention the 2 interceptions and countless missed passes that Orton had. Very Typical

What is typical GrTigers is that you always miss the point, the point he was making is that romo is said to be so mobile and a play maker, and yet orton went untouched and showed that he could gain more yards in a season than romo. Granted, romo uses his mobility to avoid sacks and make throws down field. But where has that gotten us, when orton has proved he can find the open receiver quicker and avoid sacks as well. And our opinion is that orton could have led this team to an 8 - 8 record this year just as romo did.

Let's spin this and I will play for Orton the way you romosexuals do for Romo. If orton were our qb and we replaceed 3 defensive backs with pro bowlers and traded for 2 new pro bowl linebackers I think Orton could take this team to 12- 4 and be a super bowl contender. In fact trade romo because apparently he is that awesome, surely someone would take him even for the money we gave him, and we could pick up some of those defensive spots. I bet we would win a couple extra games next year.

[Macarthur]

We have been consistently informed that without Romo this O-line would give up far more sacks. I showed time after time after time how the Dallas O-line was right in the middle of the pack in sacks allowed and most other measurables for offensive lines yet it was always the O-line's fault. Jon Kitna went in and played 7 games as well as Romo and didn't get sacked any more and now Kyle Orton faced one of the toughest pass rushes in the NFL and didn't get touched. In fact going into this game everybody was talking about how Orton was NOT a mobile QB and wouldn't be able to escape the pass rush like Romo does and all Orton did was avoid getting touched by the defense and actually ran for half of Romo's season total in a single game.

This OL was much improved over the last couple of years. Not comparable. And anyone could see that the offense with orton was intent on getting the ball out very fast. He was checking down a lot as that game went on.

[Macarthur]

Not much of anything can be disputed here. The line did play well, and with more time all year this year, I didn't see romo's play improve that much from last year. Maybe I am starting to pick a little much here.

Really? He had a fantastic year and had a bad back for most if not all year.

[Macarthur]

Not much of anything can be disputed here. The line did play well, and with more time all year this year, I didn't see romo's play improve that much from last year. Maybe I am starting to pick a little much here.

Wow. This is a perfect example of how strange it is being a cowboy fan.

How many fan bases would be even considering the merits of their QB when he ends the year with a 97 passer rating, 31 TDs and 10 ints and almost 4000 yards?

[SintonFan_inAustin]

Really? He had a fantastic year and had a bad back for most if not all year.you'll get no support from these Romo haters. Orton did good and almost got it done but Romo over Orton any day.

LoL oh my, Cowboys have haters for the Owner, qb and the team.

[buff4ever]

Wow. This is a perfect example of how strange it is being a cowboy fan.

How many fan bases would be even considering the merits of their QB when he ends the year with a 97 passer rating, 31 TDs and 10 ints and almost 4000 yards?


There is a whole lot of history that comes with romo over the years that out weighs a few stats you throw out. I will agree, if this were his first or third year and those are the stats without the history of flops on his part, we would all be looking forward to next year, but looking forward to next year is what we have done with this guy for too long.

Too many times Mac, you look at things in the moment and block out the whole picture. I don't know if you do this in general, or if you just use this method to try and prove your side of this argument. In this moment of this year, with our defense and romo's stats, even though I still think our offense under performed in many games this year, you probalby win the battle of this year. But we are looking at a career of romo, and we win the war of overall. The reason we are still loud, well I have wanted someone else for years, is because cowboy fans can't ignore his history and think that with a healthy defense we are a super bowl team.

[SintonFan_inAustin]

There is a whole lot of history that comes with romo over the years that out weighs a few stats you throw out. I will agree, if this were his first or third year and those are the stats without the history of flops on his part, we would all be looking forward to next year, but looking forward to next year is what we have done with this guy for too long.

Too many times Mac, you look at things in the moment and block out the whole picture. I don't know if you do this in general, or if you just use this method to try and prove your side of this argument. In this moment of this year, with our defense and romo's stats, even though I still think our offense under performed in many games this year, you probalby win the battle of this year. But we are looking at a career of romo, and we win the war of overall. The reason we are still loud, well I have wanted someone else for years, is because cowboy fans can't ignore his history and think that with a healthy defense we are a super bowl team.you're blocking out the whole picture also by putting him as a one man team, if the team loses its all his fault when in fact each year Cowboys enter with questions marks in a lot of positions except qb where it's a given he'll produce through out the season. Each year defense and offensive line is a concern and each year there is setbacks in that area.

[buff4ever]

you're blocking out the whole picture also by putting him as a one man team, if the team loses its all his fault when in fact each year Cowboys enter with questions marks in a lot of positions except qb where it's a given he'll produce through out the season. Each year defense and offensive line is a concern and each year there is setbacks in that area.

There has been many changes made over the course of romo's career. The only constant is romo and his flops and lack of winning the win or go home games. What picture am I missing. I will give you guys this, if you just look at stats and highlights he comes across as a #6 to #8 qb in the league. But if you look at the whole picture, and realize what players and coaches and fans around the nation realize, he falls well short of that mark with all factors on the line.

[Eagle 1]

buffs, I like your ideal about trading Romo, but I seriously doubt anybody would trade for Romo even if he didn't have a bad back. Maybe Minnesota, they are suckers for used up Cowboy players. LOL...


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[SintonFan_inAustin]

buffs, I like your ideal about trading Romo, but I seriously doubt anybody would trade for Romo even if he didn't have a bad back. Maybe Minnesota, they are suckers for used up Cowboy players. LOL...


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Dang that 6th one is being tough but oh well atleast we Cowboy fans have celebrated five times!


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[buff4ever]

buffs, I like your ideal about trading Romo, but I seriously doubt anybody would trade for Romo even if he didn't have a bad back. Maybe Minnesota, they are suckers for used up Cowboy players. LOL...


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It really isn't that far fetched or bad of an idea. We get out from under being stuck with him for years to come, and we dump him on some other desperate fools before he is too old for anyone to gamble on.

I just fear, even if we got smart enough to try, that no one is desparate enough to gamble on what his real league perception is out there.

[Macarthur]

There is a whole lot of history that comes with romo over the years that out weighs a few stats you throw out. I will agree, if this were his first or third year and those are the stats without the history of flops on his part, we would all be looking forward to next year, but looking forward to next year is what we have done with this guy for too long.

Too many times Mac, you look at things in the moment and block out the whole picture. I don't know if you do this in general, or if you just use this method to try and prove your side of this argument. In this moment of this year, with our defense and romo's stats, even though I still think our offense under performed in many games this year, you probalby win the battle of this year. But we are looking at a career of romo, and we win the war of overall. The reason we are still loud, well I have wanted someone else for years, is because cowboy fans can't ignore his history and think that with a healthy defense we are a super bowl team.

Oh, I'm looking at the big picture for sure.

You realize that for all of Romo's career, he's had only one top ten defense. In that year, the team went 13-3 and had the top seed and lost to the SB camps.

One other time he's had a top HALF of the league defense. In that year, they won the division. Won 11 games and got their first playoff victory in many years.

What this clearly means is that if you give Romo even a reasonable defense, he will win many games for you. The rest of his time he's had sh*t for a defense and had to carry every team on his back.

Someone else needs to look at the big picture.

[Farmersfan]

That is really sad Farmersfan. Orton has 1 carry for 8 yards and Romo has 20 carries for 38 yards but that one carry almost equals room. Ok whatever. ANd also of course you don't mention the 2 interceptions and countless missed passes that Orton had. Very Typical


Huh, I did mention those bad throws! And the point is that in the open field Orton looked far, far more mobile than our "MOBILE" QB looks. but all this is old argument! We've discussed this numerous times. I just like seeing some of you guys struggle for air when you know you have been owned on a football forum! :crazy1:

[Farmersfan]

This OL was much improved over the last couple of years. Not comparable. And anyone could see that the offense with orton was intent on getting the ball out very fast. He was checking down a lot as that game went on.



Orton averaged 6.3 yards per pass play on Sunday and Romo has averaged 7.16 per completion the entire season. That's a difference of about 2 feet..................

[Macarthur]

Orton averaged 6.3 yards per pass play on Sunday and Romo has averaged 7.16 per completion the entire season. That's a difference of about 2 feet..................

Come on dude. You can't compare one game to an entire season. You understand sample size.

[Farmersfan]

Oh, I'm looking at the big picture for sure.

You realize that for all of Romo's career, he's had only one top ten defense. In that year, the team went 13-3 and had the top seed and lost to the SB camps.

One other time he's had a top HALF of the league defense. In that year, they won the division. Won 11 games and got their first playoff victory in many years.

What this clearly means is that if you give Romo even a reasonable defense, he will win many games for you. The rest of his time he's had sh*t for a defense and had to carry every team on his back.

Someone else needs to look at the big picture.



Superbowl Champs defensive ranks:

Ravens= #17
Giants= #27
Packers= #5
Saints= #25
Steelers= #1
Giants= #7
Colts= #21
Steelers=#4
Patriots=# 9
Patriots=#7


Romo has had a top 10 defense 3 times in 8 seasons and has managed a single playoff win. He has had a top 15 defense 5 times in 8 years. Romo is barely .500 in that time frame..................His defense has only been below average 3 times in his entire career. but it is true that Romo wins more games with better defenses! Or would that be "better defenses" win more games? :redxpoke:

[Farmersfan]

Come on dude. You can't compare one game to an entire season. You understand sample size.



And yet you discounted what Orton did by saying the offense was different for him and he was "checking down" more than Romo does.... His checking down certainly appeared to be much more effective than Romo's but I didn't notice him doing it any more often than Romo does. And the stats prove it.............

[GrTigers6]

Come on dude. You can't compare one game to an entire season. You understand sample size.
He will if he thinks it will work in his dumb argument!:D

[full circle]

orton did a good job for the most part considering, however, with a chance to win he threw a pick

[Macarthur]

Superbowl Champs defensive ranks:

Ravens= #17
Giants= #27
Packers= #5
Saints= #25
Steelers= #1
Giants= #7
Colts= #21
Steelers=#4
Patriots=# 9
Patriots=#7


Romo has had a top 10 defense 3 times in 8 seasons and has managed a single playoff win. He has had a top 15 defense 5 times in 8 years. Romo is barely .500 in that time frame..................His defense has only been below average 3 times in his entire career. but it is true that Romo wins more games with better defenses! Or would that be "better defenses" win more games? :redxpoke:

What number are you using, yardage?

I could care less about yardage.

Here are the cowboy defensive rankings in points per game :

2006 - 20
2007 - 13
2008 - 20
2009 - 2
2010 - 23
2011 - 16
2012 - 24
2013 - 26

NFL. Com

[Macarthur]

And by the way, the year NO won the SB, they were near the top of the league in takeaways. And they were 4th in points scored.

Brees had the 31 st ranked offense last year and went 7-9. Romo isn't the only QB that needs a defense.

[Eagle 1]

The only stat that matters in the W/L column.
The rest is all hog wash.

[Old Tiger]

And by the way, the year NO won the SB, they were near the top of the league in takeaways. And they were 4th in points scored.

Brees had the 31 st ranked offense last year and went 7-9. Romo isn't the only QB that needs a defense.

2012 Saints also were missing their head coach.

[Macarthur]

The only stat that matters in the W/L column.
The rest is all hog wash.

So was Trent dilfer a better QB than Marino ?

[Macarthur]

As a follow up to the defensive stats, I like football outsiders. I'm sure some of you are familiar with them. They do a defensive stat called DVOA. It's explained here.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/methods

Here's the cowboys ranks.

2007 - 9th
2008 - 6th
2009 - 7th
2010 - 20th
2011 - 20th
2012 - 30th
2013 - 32nd

So in the seasons the cowboys have had a good defense, they've been 32-16 When they've had a poor defense, they've been 30-34.

[GrTigers6]

As a follow up to the defensive stats, I like football outsiders. I'm sure some of you are familiar with them. They do a defensive stat called DVOA. It's explained here.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/methods

Here's the cowboys ranks.

2007 - 9th
2008 - 6th
2009 - 7th
2010 - 20th
2011 - 20th
2012 - 30th
2013 - 32nd

So in the seasons the cowboys have had a good defense, they've been 32-16 When they've had a poor defense, they've been 30-34.Just imagine what our record would have been without Romo!

[Macarthur]

Well, to me, it's not about romo. It really doesn't matter, IMO, if it were romo or cutler or rivers or schaub or stafford. If you don't have the top tier elite QBs, you've got to have a top defense to make a run. And even with a guy like brees, NO defense needed a pretty special year with regards to turnovers for their run.