FINAL AP Poll

[HEMOTOXIC]

Class 3A

School Total Points Prv
1. Argyle (14) (10-0) 227 2
2. Kilgore (9) (9-0) 216 3
3. Graham (1) (10-0) 160 4
4. Gilmer (9-1) 141 1
5. Stephenville (8-1) 139 5
6. Fairfield (10-0) 135 6
7. Carthage (9-1) 99 7
8. Port Isabel (10-0) 78 9
9. Navasota (9-1) 52 10
10. Shallowater (10-0) 29 NR
Others receiving votes: 11, Gainesville 15. 12, Celina 11. 13, West Orange-Stark 10. 14, Coldspring-Oakhurst 5. 15, La Grange 2. 16, Athens 1

[HEMOTOXIC]

Class 5A

School Total Points Prv
1. Allen (17) (10-0) 231 1
2. DeSoto (6) (10-0) 215 2
3. Katy (1) (10-0) 199 3
4. Galena Park North Shore (10-0) 160 4
5. Houston Lamar (9-0) 131 5
6. Smithson Valley (10-0) 106 6
7. Cibolo Steele (9-1) 93 7
8. Southlake Carroll (9-1) 66 8
9. Pflugerville Hendrickson (10-0) 52 9
10. Manvel (9-1) 25 10
Others receiving votes: 11, Spring Westfield 12. 12, Coppell 10. 13, Longview 4. 14, Euless Trinity 3. 14, Cedar Hill 3. 14, SA Reagan 3. 14, San Angelo Central 3. 18, Mission Sharyland 2. 18, Dallas Skyline 2.

Class 4A

School Total Points Prv
1. Aledo (20) (10-0) 227 1
2. SA Northside Brennan (2) (10-0) 205 2
3. Whitehouse (1) (10-0) 164 3
4. Texas City (10-0) 150 4
5. Humble Summer Creek (10-0) 137 5
6. Elgin (10-0) 126 6
7. Denton Guyer (1) (8-2) 111 7
8. Cedar Park (9-1) 78 8
9. CC Calallen (9-0) 61 9
10. Wolfforth Frenship (10-0) 29 10
Others receiving votes: 11, Manor 9. 12, Richmond George Ranch 7. 13, Ennis 6. 14, Canyon 4. 15, Dallas Highland Park 2. 15, FW Dunbar 2. 17, Dallas South Oak Cliff 1. 17, Crosby 1.

Class 2A

School Total Points Prv
1. East Bernard (15) (9-0) 231 1
2. Newton (8) (10-0) 210 2
3. Wall (1) (10-0) 174 3
4. Tatum (10-0) 159 4
5. Cisco (10-0) 145 5
6. Franklin (10-0) 115 6
7. Hallettsville (10-0) 96 7
8. Cameron Yoe (9-1) 58 8
9. Refugio (9-1) 45 9
10. Rogers (10-0) 21 NR
Others receiving votes: 11, Waskom 14. 12, Garrison 10. 13, Cooper 8. 14, Corrigan-Camden 7. 15, Crawford 5. 15, Daingerfield 5. 17, Canadian 4. 18, Scurry-Rosser 3. 18, Denver City 3. 20, Eastland 2. 20, New Boston 2. 22, Sonora 1. 22, Hughes Springs 1. 22, Lago Vista 1.

Class 1A

School Total Points Prv
1. Wellington (17) (9-0) 228 1
2. Stratford (2) (10-0) 195 2
3. Tenaha (3) (8-1) 158 3
4. Falls City (2) (10-0) 156 4
5. Mason (8-1) 130 5
6. Pineland West Sabine (9-0) 124 6
7. Stamford (9-1) 102 8
8. Albany (10-0) 77 9
9. Muenster (10-0) 64 10
10. Bremond (10-0) 47 NR
Others receiving votes: 11, Anson 26. 12, Hubbard 5. 13, Mart 4. 14, Gruver 3. 15, San Angelo TLC Academy 1.

[hollywood]

Class 3A

School Total Points Prv
1. Argyle (14) (10-0) 227 2
2. Kilgore (9) (9-0) 216 3
3. Graham (1) (10-0) 160 4
4. Gilmer (9-1) 141 1
5. Stephenville (8-1) 139 5
6. Fairfield (10-0) 135 6
7. Carthage (9-1) 99 7
8. Port Isabel (10-0) 78 9
9. Navasota (9-1) 52 10
10. Shallowater (10-0) 29 NR
Others receiving votes: 11, Gainesville 15. 12, Celina 11. 13, West Orange-Stark 10. 14, Coldspring-Oakhurst 5. 15, La Grange 2. 16, Athens 1

Out of these top 10 or even the 16 listed.. which 4 make it to Jerry World?

My picks:

DI -- Stephenville vs Carthage (sorry, after seeing Gilmer/Kilgore last Friday, neither played like top 5 teams... that night anyway)

DII -- Argyle vs Fairfield (hoping Gilmer gets by Argyle though)

[adoptedbuckeye]

Out of these top 10 or even the 16 listed.. which 4 make it to Jerry World?

My picks:

DI -- Stephenville vs Carthage (sorry, after seeing Gilmer/Kilgore last Friday, neither played like top 5 teams... that night anyway)

DII -- Argyle vs Fairfield (hoping Gilmer gets by Argyle though)

Stephenville/Carthage & Gilmer/Fairfield
I have faith my Bux will bounce back and be prepared for the challenges ahead.

[Celina8]

I think Stephenville repeat this year and I think Argyle brings home the Title in DII. Fairfield has a great team but do they have the depth to handle the gauntlet for a Title run. Last year Glen Rose surprised everyone and they had a very good team, but unfortunately one of their key players was injured and it killed what I thought was a great chance to make it to Jerry world. With a total school enrollment of only 490 keeping players healthy will be the key for them.

[waterboy]

I fully expect it to be Gilmer / Fairfield in D2.

D1 gets a little murky. I think it'll likely be Stephenville against somebody, maybe Carthage, but I'm not sold on them. It could be Navasota.

[Aggie98]

Kilgore/Navasota in D1.

Gilmer/Fairfield in D2.

[Dawgs]

I fully expect it to be Gilmer / Fairfield in D2.

D1 gets a little murky. I think it'll likely be Stephenville against somebody, maybe Carthage, but I'm not sold on them. It could be Navasota.

I'm not sure why people are not "sold " on Carthage...I guess it's just opinions, but we have just as good or a better shot than anybody to reach the finals. Let me ask this question...After we beat Navasota in the 2nd round will anybody be sold on Carthage? After watching the game last Friday, Carthage would boat race Kilgore or Gilmer. That's a fact jack! Far better than both in the trenches, better coaching than both, and just slightly behind Gilmer as far as skill posting players. So if people are picking Gilmer and Kilgore to make it to Jerry World, than Carthage should be the favorite to win it all :) !!!

[Aggie98]

I'm not sure why people are not "sold " on Carthage...I guess it's just opinions, but we have just as good or a better shot than anybody to reach the finals. Let me ask this question...After we beat Navasota in the 2nd round will anybody be sold on Carthage? After watching the game last Friday, Carthage would boat race Kilgore or Gilmer. That's a fact jack! Far better than both in the trenches, better coaching than both, and just slightly behind Gilmer as far as skill posting players. So if people are picking Gilmer and Kilgore to make it to Jerry World, than Carthage should be the favorite to win it all :) !!!

1. Because you gave up 43 unanswered points to Whitehouse. They're good, but not that good.
2. You struggled with Jasper and gave up nearly 300 yds to Cuney.
3. You were lucky to beat Nacogdoches in the final seconds.
4. You struggled with Jacksonville who was 0-10.

Next question.

[Dawgs]

1. Because you gave up 43 unanswered points to Whitehouse. They're good, but not that good.
2. You struggled with Jasper and gave up nearly 300 yds to Cuney.
3. You were lucky to beat Nacogdoches in the final seconds.
4. You struggled with Jacksonville who was 0-10.

Next question.

We struggled in the first game of the season...Lmao. The game was never close. I think we scored on almost every possession. But whatever you say, I guess you were at the game. Nacogdoches is a pretty salty team this year. Legitimate 4a playoff team. I think that's a good win for Carthage. We won that game in spectacular fashion in the final seconds. Championship teams need those kind of wins in a season. Jasper came out, and ran the ball on us, got up 14 points on their homecoming, and we beat them pretty soundly. I don't care how many yards they put on us. Lets see how they do in the playoffs before you pass judgement. You forgot mention us boat racing Chapel Hill by 30. That's when they had all their players healthy. Hey, the Whitehouse game got out of hand. We had them down 39-20, and then a school with the top QB in the state, 3 or 4 big time D1 recruits, that has twice the enrollment of Carthage wore us down. We have our best players playing both ways. Welcome to 3a football. The good thing is most other 3a team have their best player playing both ways too. Don't think for a second Kilgore is any where close to the same caliber of Whitehouse. We can handle that loss. Kilgore passing game looks like Carthage 9th grade...haha. Defense was not impressive. Carthage would put up 40+. We don't dump the ball off like Gilmer did last Friday. We play VERTICAL football. If our defense continues to get better than we win state...if not then is going to be a tall order for our offense, but I think we have that kind of offense this season.

[hollywood]

1. Because you gave up 43 unanswered points to Whitehouse. They're good, but not that good.
2. You struggled with Jasper and gave up nearly 300 yds to Cuney.
3. You were lucky to beat Nacogdoches in the final seconds.
4. You struggled with Jacksonville who was 0-10.

Next question.


We struggled in the first game of the season...Lmao. The game was never close. I think we scored on almost every possession. But whatever you say, I guess you were at the game. Nacogdoches is a pretty salty team this year. Legitimate 4a playoff team. I think that's a good win for Carthage. We won that game in spectacular fashion in the final seconds. Championship teams need those kind of wins in a season. Jasper came out, and ran the ball on us, got up 14 points on their homecoming, and we beat them pretty soundly. I don't care how many yards they put on us. Lets see how they do in the playoffs before you pass judgement. You forgot mention us boat racing Chapel Hill by 30. That's when they had all their players healthy. Hey, the Whitehouse game got out of hand. We had them down 39-20, and then a school with the top QB in the state, 3 or 4 big time D1 recruits, that has twice the enrollment of Carthage wore us down. We have our best players playing both ways. Welcome to 3a football. The good thing is most other 3a team have their best player playing both ways too. Don't think for a second Kilgore is any where close to the same caliber of Whitehouse. We can handle that loss. Kilgore passing game looks like Carthage 9th grade...haha. Defense was not impressive. Carthage would put up 40+. We don't dump the ball off like Gilmer did last Friday. We play VERTICAL football. If our defense continues to get better than we win state...if not then is going to be a tall order for our offense, but I think we have that kind of offense this season.

Class 3A

School Total Points Prv
1. Argyle (14) (10-0) 227 2
2. Kilgore (9) (9-0) 216 3
3. Graham (1) (10-0) 160 4
4. Gilmer (9-1) 141 1
5. Stephenville (8-1) 139 5
6. Fairfield (10-0) 135 6
7. Carthage (9-1) 99 7
8. Port Isabel (10-0) 78 9
9. Navasota (9-1) 52 10
10. Shallowater (10-0) 29 NR
Others receiving votes: 11, Gainesville 15. 12, Celina 11. 13, West Orange-Stark 10. 14, Coldspring-Oakhurst 5. 15, La Grange 2. 16, Athens 1

I'm only going to speak to what I've seen so far.

Argyle is probably the legit #1 being that they are undefeated and appear to have a very solid team both offensively and defensively AND dominating solid teams so far.

The #2 team is Stephenville. The #2, #3, #4 teams listed wouldn't be able to stay within 3TD's of Stephenville from what I've seen. IMO

From there, I'd put Carthage, Gilmer, Kilgore, Navasota, Fairfield, Graham, Port Isabel, Shallowater from the top 10 listed. I also think WOS, La Marque and Coldspring could make some noise.

[waterboy]

Dawg, the reason I'm not sold on Carthage this season is because they are weaker than usual on the defensive side of the ball. They are solid as usual on offense. It's just that when you get deep into the playoffs, maybe just the second round this year, and play a very good defensive team, you will have to rely on your defense more. You know it takes a combination of both to win championships. I'm not knocking Carthage at all, but I'm just not sold on them yet. I also disagree with you when you say Carthage would beat Kilgore or Gilmer. I hope you get the opportunity to play Kilgore, but I don't think that'll happen this season. I would definitely be surprised, and happy, to see them play each other this season because it would be in the state championship game. By the way, I got my info from a diehard Carthage fan after they saw Gilmer play a couple of times this year. His exact words were, "I'm actually glad we don't have to play Gilmer this year. I don't think we could stop them enough to win." The fact of the matter is we'll never know for sure.

[j_dog]

1....
2. You struggled with Jasper and gave up nearly 300 yds to Cuney.
3. ....
4. ....
Next question.

Amusing. And how would your team stop Cuney? Jasper spreads the ball around. He could have had a lot more yards than he did if Jasper had just kept running him. Even some Carthage fans wondered why Jasper did not run him more in that game. We can now see how he does in the playoffs if Jasper must have yards from him. To me, he runs like Earl Campbell. The biggest difference is that Cuney is quite a bit bigger than Campbell was in high school. And possibly just as fast?

[Dawgs]

Dawg, the reason I'm not sold on Carthage this season is because they are weaker than usual on the defensive side of the ball. They are solid as usual on offense. It's just that when you get deep into the playoffs, maybe just the second round this year, and play a very good defensive team, you will have to rely on your defense more. You know it takes a combination of both to win championships. I'm not knocking Carthage at all, but I'm just not sold on them yet. I also disagree with you when you say Carthage would beat Kilgore or Gilmer. I hope you get the opportunity to play Kilgore, but I don't think that'll happen this season. I would definitely be surprised, and happy, to see them play each other this season because it would be in the state championship game. By the way, I got my info from a diehard Carthage fan after they saw Gilmer play a couple of times this year. His exact words were, "I'm actually glad we don't have to play Gilmer this year. I don't think we could stop them enough to win." The fact of the matter is we'll never know for sure.

To be 100% honest I said the same thing about Carthage playing Gilmer this season before I saw them play Kilgore. Now if Gilmer doesn't turn the ball over I am not sure Carthage could hang, but they haven't proved that this season much like Carthage last year. Doesn't matter cause we will never know. Carthage is not turning the ball over this year, and I honestly think that our defense can make enough stops when their backs are against the wall to beat any team. Maybe that's the homer in me. Our defense is not as good as seasons past, but our offense is prolly better than it has been in awhile. 2008 and 2010 offenses were prolly better, cause our running game was better but this is a top 3 Carthage offense. I don't see Navasota beating Carthage in the 2nd round. If for no other reason Carthage does NOT go home in the 2nd round. If Carthage does have the chance to play Kilgore I think Carthage wins. It's going to be hard for either to beat Ville IMO. I don't see Kilgore beating Ville. Let's face it, Kilgore wouldn't have been within 14 points of Gilmer w/o 5 turnovers. I was rooting for Kilgore, and they won outright but if Ville, Carthage, or Gilmer don't turn the ball over they beat Kilgore IMO. I'm just unwilling to think a team with as poor of a passing game as Kilgore has a legitimate chance to win state.

[HEMOTOXIC]

To be 100% honest I said the same thing about Carthage playing Gilmer this season before I saw them play Kilgore. Now if Gilmer doesn't turn the ball over I am not sure Carthage could hang, but they haven't proved that this season much like Carthage last year. Doesn't matter cause we will never know. Carthage is not turning the ball over this year, and I honestly think that our defense can make enough stops when their backs are against the wall to beat any team. Maybe that's the homer in me. Our defense is not as good as seasons past, but our offense is prolly better than it has been in awhile. 2008 and 2010 offenses were prolly better, cause our running game was better but this is a top 3 Carthage offense. I don't see Navasota beating Carthage in the 2nd round. If for no other reason Carthage does NOT go home in the 2nd round. If Carthage does have the chance to play Kilgore I think Carthage wins. It's going to be hard for either to beat Ville IMO. I don't see Kilgore beating Ville. Let's face it, Kilgore wouldn't have been within 14 points of Gilmer w/o 5 turnovers. I was rooting for Kilgore, and they won outright but if Ville, Carthage, or Gilmer don't turn the ball over they beat Kilgore IMO. I'm just unwilling to think a team with as poor of a passing game as Kilgore has a legitimate chance to win state.

Have you seen Navasota play this year, or is that a "homer" assessment?

[YTBulldogs]

I think PI is ranked to low. Something like 30 seniors. Not sure many 5A schools have that amount. Amazing. I know, I know---throw that south of I10 at me.

[Dawgs]

Have you seen Navasota play this year, or is that a "homer" assessment?

Homer assessment...I said that in the post. I said if for no other reason but Carthage hasn't gone home in the 2nd round in a long time, and I don't expect this talented of a team to start this year.

[waterboy]

To be 100% honest I said the same thing about Carthage playing Gilmer this season before I saw them play Kilgore. Now if Gilmer doesn't turn the ball over I am not sure Carthage could hang, but they haven't proved that this season much like Carthage last year. Doesn't matter cause we will never know. Carthage is not turning the ball over this year, and I honestly think that our defense can make enough stops when their backs are against the wall to beat any team. Maybe that's the homer in me. Our defense is not as good as seasons past, but our offense is prolly better than it has been in awhile. 2008 and 2010 offenses were prolly better, cause our running game was better but this is a top 3 Carthage offense. I don't see Navasota beating Carthage in the 2nd round. If for no other reason Carthage does NOT go home in the 2nd round. If Carthage does have the chance to play Kilgore I think Carthage wins. It's going to be hard for either to beat Ville IMO. I don't see Kilgore beating Ville. Let's face it, Kilgore wouldn't have been within 14 points of Gilmer w/o 5 turnovers. I was rooting for Kilgore, and they won outright but if Ville, Carthage, or Gilmer don't turn the ball over they beat Kilgore IMO. I'm just unwilling to think a team with as poor of a passing game as Kilgore has a legitimate chance to win state.

We're on the same page here. Stephenville will definitely give Kilgore all they want, and then some. Kilgore's defense is not quite as good as it was last year, but their offense is a notch or two better. It's give or take with how they will stack up against Stephenville. I do know Stephenville won't turn the ball over 5 times against Kilgore, which leads me to believe that Stephenville will likely beat them again this year. If Carthage can manage to get by Navasota in round 2 they have a legit shot at getting to Jerry World, in my opinion. You are also right about Gilmer and the turnovers. If Gilmer doesn't have another game plagued by turnovers they will be a tough out. I pray they've got that out of their system, or there is no way they get past an Argyle, and if they play well enough to get by them, Fairfield will definitely be a load if they make it out of their side of the bracket, which I fully expect.

[bearbear78]

Class 3A

School Total Points Prv
1. Argyle (14) (10-0) 227 2
2. Kilgore (9) (9-0) 216 3
3. Graham (1) (10-0) 160 4
4. Gilmer (9-1) 141 1
5. Stephenville (8-1) 139 5
6. Fairfield (10-0) 135 6
7. Carthage (9-1) 99 7
8. Port Isabel (10-0) 78 9
9. Navasota (9-1) 52 10
10. Shallowater (10-0) 29 NR
Others receiving votes: 11, Gainesville 15. 12, Celina 11. 13, West Orange-Stark 10. 14, Coldspring-Oakhurst 5. 15, La Grange 2. 16, Athens 1

I'm only going to speak to what I've seen so far.

Argyle is probably the legit #1 being that they are undefeated and appear to have a very solid team both offensively and defensively AND dominating solid teams so far.

The #2 team is Stephenville. The #2, #3, #4 teams listed wouldn't be able to stay within 3TD's of Stephenville from what I've seen. IMO

From there, I'd put Carthage, Gilmer, Kilgore, Navasota, Fairfield, Graham, Port Isabel, Shallowater from the top 10 listed. I also think WOS, La Marque and Coldspring could make some noise.
Hollywood, 3 TDs? Really....dont be shocked to see the Steers at Jerry world playing for the SC this year..if so and it is likely, I expect your attendance and my nachos are on you.

[adoptedbuckeye]

To be 100% honest I said the same thing about Carthage playing Gilmer this season before I saw them play Kilgore. Now if Gilmer doesn't turn the ball over I am not sure Carthage could hang, but they haven't proved that this season much like Carthage last year. Doesn't matter cause we will never know. Carthage is not turning the ball over this year, and I honestly think that our defense can make enough stops when their backs are against the wall to beat any team. Maybe that's the homer in me. Our defense is not as good as seasons past, but our offense is prolly better than it has been in awhile. 2008 and 2010 offenses were prolly better, cause our running game was better but this is a top 3 Carthage offense. I don't see Navasota beating Carthage in the 2nd round. If for no other reason Carthage does NOT go home in the 2nd round. If Carthage does have the chance to play Kilgore I think Carthage wins. It's going to be hard for either to beat Ville IMO. I don't see Kilgore beating Ville. Let's face it, Kilgore wouldn't have been within 14 points of Gilmer w/o 5 turnovers. I was rooting for Kilgore, and they won outright but if Ville, Carthage, or Gilmer don't turn the ball over they beat Kilgore IMO. I'm just unwilling to think a team with as poor of a passing game as Kilgore has a legitimate chance to win state.

I hope next year we schedule a couple really strong pre-district teams such as Kilgore and/or Carthage. Gilmer needs that big time competition level earlier in the season so they can build confidence for later when the big games count for something.

[rico]

I think PI is ranked to low. Something like 30 seniors. Not sure many 5A schools have that amount. Amazing. I know, I know---throw that south of I10 at me.
Not much wiggle room at the top. Yes PI does have 30 seniors and they were all there last year in the Regional Final.
They hope to get back to that game, this time with more experience and a better team than last years. Anything
can happen but we like Port Isabel's chances. Good luck to your Bulldogs.

[hollywood]

Hollywood, 3 TDs? Really....dont be shocked to see the Steers at Jerry world playing for the SC this year..if so and it is likely, I expect your attendance and my nachos are on you.

bearbear78, yes. The difference isn't a question of skill players necessarily, it's the OL/DL play that usually is the difference in deep playoff runs. Graham shouldn't have any true challenges until an Argyle/Gilmer semi finals matchup. Monahans could present a challenge this season before that though. Then, it gets very tough for Graham. JMHO. Not saying Graham can't do it, but it will be very tough. Stephenville has the OL/DL again this year to go along with the skill positions and the defense is better this season IMO. I think y'all would have a much better shot at beating Gilmer than Argyle this season. Gilmer looked plenty stout just made too many mistakes last Friday. Graham's OL/DL is similar to Gilmer's. Argyle's... much bigger and stronger. We'll see what happen... y'all make, nachos on me! :D

[waterboy]

I hope next year we schedule a couple really strong pre-district teams such as Kilgore and/or Carthage. Gilmer needs that big time competition level earlier in the season so they can build confidence for later when the big games count for something.

I fully expect Traylor to schedule Kilgore, and I hope he schedules Carthage. To be honest, though, I don't think Carthage and Gilmer will schedule each other because of the "possibility" that both teams could go D2, depending on where the cutoff is set by the UIL. You know they try to get teams scheduled before the realignment comes out, because if you don't you may be left without an opponent for one of the pre-district dates. Scheduling is a nightmare if you don't work out details before realignment.

[Aggie98]

Amusing. And how would your team stop Cuney?

By tackling him.

[j_dog]

By tackling him.
That is what Carthage did. Except when he raced to the end zone..

[HEMOTOXIC]

Homer assessment...I said that in the post. I said if for no other reason but Carthage hasn't gone home in the 2nd round in a long time, and I don't expect this talented of a team to start this year.

Got ya.. Well, maybe next week, that game will be a reality.

[Steernation]

Class 3A

School Total Points Prv
1. Argyle (14) (10-0) 227 2
2. Kilgore (9) (9-0) 216 3
3. Graham (1) (10-0) 160 4
4. Gilmer (9-1) 141 1
5. Stephenville (8-1) 139 5
6. Fairfield (10-0) 135 6
7. Carthage (9-1) 99 7
8. Port Isabel (10-0) 78 9
9. Navasota (9-1) 52 10
10. Shallowater (10-0) 29 NR
Others receiving votes: 11, Gainesville 15. 12, Celina 11. 13, West Orange-Stark 10. 14, Coldspring-Oakhurst 5. 15, La Grange 2. 16, Athens 1

I'm only going to speak to what I've seen so far.

Argyle is probably the legit #1 being that they are undefeated and appear to have a very solid team both offensively and defensively AND dominating solid teams so far.

The #2 team is Stephenville. The #2, #3, #4 teams listed wouldn't be able to stay within 3TD's of Stephenville from what I've seen. IMO

From there, I'd put Carthage, Gilmer, Kilgore, Navasota, Fairfield, Graham, Port Isabel, Shallowater from the top 10 listed. I also think WOS, La Marque and Coldspring could make some noise.

I don't think Stephenville could stay within two touchdowns with either Graham or Fairfield. From the games I've seen graham would HANDLE Stephenville

[hollywood]

I don't think Stephenville could stay within two touchdowns with either Graham or Fairfield. From the games I've seen graham would HANDLE Stephenville

Too bad we'll never know this season. What games did you see? And how would Graham HANDLE Stephenville, just curious of your reasoning. Have you seen Fairfield this season?

[Steernation]

Too bad we'll never know this season. What games did you see? And how would Graham HANDLE Stephenville, just curious of your reasoning. Have you seen Fairfield this season?

I've seen all of graham games besides the Burkburnett game and I've just seen film on both Stephenville and Fairfield. Don't get me wrong Stephenville Is a great team and I'm not trying to put them down I just don't see them hanging with Graham or Fairfield from what I've seen.

[hollywood]

I've seen all of graham games besides the Burkburnett game and I've just seen film on both Stephenville and Fairfield. Don't get me wrong Stephenville Is a great team and I'm not trying to put them down I just don't see them hanging with Graham or Fairfield from what I've seen.

Ok, that's what I thought. Fair enough, each to their own. Just don't be shocked if Graham gets exposed because another team has a stronger OL/DL and more speed, like a Argyle and Gilmer team. I'm sure you don't want to remember what happened against Gilmer last year. ;)

BTW, I would love to see Graham go all the way, just don't think they have the OL/DL to hang with the big boys. Stephenville does.. that's probably what you're not seeing on video.

[hollywood]

I've seen all of graham games besides the Burkburnett game and I've just seen film on both Stephenville and Fairfield. Don't get me wrong Stephenville Is a great team and I'm not trying to put them down I just don't see them hanging with Graham or Fairfield from what I've seen.

Steernation, I know this doesn't really compare apples to apples but... both Graham and Stephenville have impressive stats. Each teams district are comparable in strength IMO. Graham has played the lighter overall schedule IMO as well. I know in 4 of the last 5 games, the starters haven't played after the first series of the second half. Graham may have done the same, not sure.

Graham through 10 games
2,722 total yards passing
2,286 total yards rushing


Stephenville through 9 games
1,708 total yards passing
2,319 total yards rushing

[Steernation]

I think they have the d line that can take care of things. The O-line is lacking this year but I do think the are growing together and playing well. 66 is Great, a little short but he dominates at what he does. 54 is undersized but he runs a 4.7 and benches 385+ as a Junior. The O-line is very young which is some of the problems they were having at the beginning of the year. Two are sophomores and two juniors with only one senior. Fortunately they have one of the best coaches coaching them that I've seen. And yes, Unfortunately I do remember.. The tears are coming.. Don't remind me(;

[Steernation]

Steernation, I know this doesn't really compare apples to apples but... both Graham and Stephenville have impressive stats. Each teams district are comparable in strength IMO. Graham has played the lighter overall schedule IMO as well. I know in 4 of the last 5 games, the starters haven't played after the first series of the second half. Graham may have done the same, not sure.

Graham through 10 games
2,722 total yards passing
2,286 total yards rushing


Stephenville through 9 games
1,708 total yards passing
2,319 total yards rushing

Yes I also think Stephenville has had a little harder schedule. But the numbers are similar. 9 out of the 10 games the starters were starting to be pulled out at half. The other game was against wiley and they were being pulled by the end of the third.


I wish Stephenville the best again this year. Goodluck!

[hollywood]

Yes I also think Stephenville has had a little harder schedule. But the numbers are similar. 9 out of the 10 games the starters were starting to be pulled out at half. The other game was against wiley and they were being pulled by the end of the third.


I wish Stephenville the best again this year. Goodluck!

Best of luck to Graham! Do you see another Graham/Monahans meeting in the near future?

[EagleEye]

Best of luck to Graham! Do you see another Graham/Monahans meeting in the near future?

We sure hope so. Our big problem is going to be stopping that big horse that Shallowater has. This is why I love High School Football. Anything can happen. If we get to play Graham maybe we will be healthy this time. Had 5 or six starters out last time due to injuries. Small schools have to stay healthy to be competiative. Graham played a good game though and deserved the win.

[ccmom]

Class 3A

School Total Points Prv
1. Argyle (14) (10-0) 227 2
2. Kilgore (9) (9-0) 216 3
3. Graham (1) (10-0) 160 4
4. Gilmer (9-1) 141 1
5. Stephenville (8-1) 139 5
6. Fairfield (10-0) 135 6
7. Carthage (9-1) 99 7
8. Port Isabel (10-0) 78 9
9. Navasota (9-1) 52 10
10. Shallowater (10-0) 29 NR
Others receiving votes: 11, Gainesville 15. 12, Celina 11. 13, West Orange-Stark 10. 14, Coldspring-Oakhurst 5. 15, La Grange 2. 16, Athens 1

I'm only going to speak to what I've seen so far.

Argyle is probably the legit #1 being that they are undefeated and appear to have a very solid team both offensively and defensively AND dominating solid teams so far.

The #2 team is Stephenville. The #2, #3, #4 teams listed wouldn't be able to stay within 3TD's of Stephenville from what I've seen. IMO

From there, I'd put Carthage, Gilmer, Kilgore, Navasota, Fairfield, Graham, Port Isabel, Shallowater from the top 10 listed. I also think WOS, La Marque and Coldspring could make some noise.

Jacketwood,
Which Argyle game did you see? I'm not doubting that they should be #1....I'm a believer, for sure. Just wonder which game you saw.

[hollywood]

Jacketwood,
Which Argyle game did you see? I'm not doubting that they should be #1....I'm a believer, for sure. Just wonder which game you saw.

ComiCalmom, I meant to say I haven't seen Argyle play in this post. I've mentioned it in others. ;) But thanks for pointing that out. You're the best! :clap:

[ccmom]

ComiCalmom, I meant to say I haven't seen Argyle play in this post. I've mentioned it in others. ;) But thanks for pointing that out. You're the best! :clap:

Hehe anytime!!!:kiss:

[eagles_victory]

I wish Fairfield got a chance to play Abilene Wylie

[gatordaze]

Amusing. And how would your team stop Cuney? Jasper spreads the ball around. He could have had a lot more yards than he did if Jasper had just kept running him. Even some Carthage fans wondered why Jasper did not run him more in that game. We can now see how he does in the playoffs if Jasper must have yards from him. To me, he runs like Earl Campbell. The biggest difference is that Cuney is quite a bit bigger than Campbell was in high school. And possibly just as fast?

Terrell Cuney? Thought he played center. Is there more than one Cuney on Jasper's team?

[hollywood]

Hehe anytime!!!:kiss:

Awe, you're so sweet! :cheerl:

[D'Highlander]

I wish Fairfield got a chance to play Abilene Wylie

I don't think that would be much of a game this year.

[slingshot]

I wish Fairfield got a chance to play Abilene WylieWhy? We're decent but not top 10 this year... As to the question of DII? Argyle will manhandle Graham. Have watched both, Graham can match anyone with their passing game and will score on anyone they play--Argyle's O and D lines are on another level and will dominate the line of scrimmage. Argyle is my odds-on favorite to waltz to the Championship... just really don't see any of the other top DII teams really challenging them.

[slingshot]

I wish Fairfield got a chance to play Abilene Wylie

Besides, Ya'll should walk through Region III/IV... then get your arses kicked in the final by Argyle, Graham or Gilmer. You may not make it past Navasota again.

[bearbear78]

Why? We're decent but not top 10 this year... As to the question of DII? Argyle will manhandle Graham. Have watched both, Graham can match anyone with their passing game and will score on anyone they play--Argyle's O and D lines are on another level and will dominate the line of scrimmage. Argyle is my odds-on favorite to waltz to the Championship... just really don't see any of the other top DII teams really challenging them.
With all do respect...graham will not be manhandled by anyone this year..if we get beat their gonna play their arse off to do it..these boys have matured a lot since gilmer last year. We will play hard all 4 and keep it together.

[Manso/V8]

I think PI is ranked to low. Something like 30 seniors. Not sure many 5A schools have that amount. Amazing. I know, I know---throw that south of I10 at me.

I think that PI is the only ranked, or team that has been ranked in the D2 R4 bracket.
There is a pretty good chance they will make it to region finals, and maybe to the semi-finals.
For that reason, I think it is good that they are ranked in the top ten, but ranking them higher would be a bit of a stretch.
We played them in the region finals last year, and Cuero (first round) and Wimberley (second round) were more difficult wins.
They had a good defense, but really no offense to speak of compared to most teams we faced.
Unless they have made a dramatic improvement in speed and offensive execution, I can't see them making it to the SC game.

[regaleagle]

Argyle will need to play better on the corners in these playoffs to beat the likes of Gilmer, IMO. With the losses of our two LB's Sizelove and Hackney(both Srs. and All-State/All-District resp. last year) for the season, filling that void against top teams will be a huge task. Sizelove was so quick to get from sideline to sideline it made the rest of Argyle's D that much better. And his ability to read the plays correctly cannot be replaced. He only played in 52 straight games for Argyle before going out in the 9th game of this season. Had he made it all the way to a SC game this season, that would have made it 59 consecutive high school varsity games he would have played in. That's alot for anybody in 4 years....almost 15 games a year. Kinda hard to believe that kind of play, but that's the experience level he brought to the field. Fortunately, Argyle has a very strong secondary....arguably one of the best in 3A this year, if not the best. But Sizelove and Hackney are still big losses the Argyle defense will have to deal with in the playoffs. And the games are just starting. Anything can happen to any team in the playoffs.....regardless of that team's percieved strengths.

[rico]

I think that PI is the only ranked, or team that has been ranked in the D2 R4 bracket.
There is a pretty good chance they will make it to region finals, and maybe to the semi-finals.
For that reason, I think it is good that they are ranked in the top ten, but ranking them higher would be a bit of a stretch.
We played them in the region finals last year, and Cuero (first round) and Wimberley (second round) were more difficult wins.
They had a good defense, but really no offense to speak of compared to most teams we faced.
Unless they have made a dramatic improvement in speed and offensive execution, I can't see them making it to the SC game.
This years Port Isabel team is better than last year's. Basically same team but with more experience and more speed.
How much better, only time will tell. First things first though, PI has a date with Raymondville and right now nothing
else matters. GO TARPONS!

[2muchOffense]

Here is my end of the season/start of the playoffs report: The Ville is extremely solid this year. Have seen nearly every game since 2006 and this team has the goods. The passing game isn't as good as last years. However our rushing attack is twice as good. We can pound the rock when we need to. The tandom of Brock and Williams can get it done. While our offense is slightly behind last years, I believe our defense is better. They are more physical and have made play after play. I really like the swagger this team plays with. Lets not forget that over half of the starters on both sides of the ball have rings. From the Jacket seasons that I have been apart of, this one rates near the top. If your going to beat this team than you best have a boatload of talent. You better be able to stop the run with 7 in the box or you will get torched. You better be able to run and pass with effectiveness. Lastly you better have coaches and players that don't choke under pressure.

[2muchOffense]

Correction: A team better be able to stop the run with five or six in the box. The Jacket offense can runs circles around 3a secondaries.

[nfcfan]

We played them in the region finals last year, and Cuero (first round) and Wimberley (second round) were more difficult wins.
They had a good defense, but really no offense to speak of compared to most teams we faced.
Unless they have made a dramatic improvement in speed and offensive execution, I can't see them making it to the SC game.

Our top RB helped us in the win vs Navarro but was unable to play vs Bellville due to an illness. PI's offense did struggle in that game no doubt about it, but we were looking forward to a potential rematch.

Like Rico, I too believe we are a better team this year on both sides of the ball.
Just for reference compared to last years squad at this point in the season,
Points For: 2012 308pts, 2013 433pts;
Points Against: 2012 163pts, 2013 119pts

Good luck in the Div I bracket.

[j_dog]

Terrell Cuney? Thought he played center. Is there more than one Cuney on Jasper's team?
Three Cuney's. Terrell played center last year. I think they have moved him to OL. Terrance is the RB and DeAnthony plays defense. We hear the Cuney name announced a lot. This has probably been noted somewhere else, but Terrell was selected last week to the Army All-Star (national) game in SA in January I think it is. This will be a nationally televised game so set your recorders.

By the way, Terrance had 245 yards rushing against Palestine in Bi-district Friday. Probably averaged about 10 yards per carry.

[football8]

Here is my end of the season/start of the playoffs report: The Ville is extremely solid this year. Have seen nearly every game since 2006 and this team has the goods. The passing game isn't as good as last years. However our rushing attack is twice as good. We can pound the rock when we need to. The tandom of Brock and Williams can get it done. While our offense is slightly behind last years, I believe our defense is better. They are more physical and have made play after play. I really like the swagger this team plays with. Lets not forget that over half of the starters on both sides of the ball have rings. From the Jacket seasons that I have been apart of, this one rates near the top. If your going to beat this team than you best have a boatload of talent. You better be able to stop the run with 7 in the box or you will get torched. You better be able to run and pass with effectiveness. Lastly you better have coaches and players that don't choke under pressure.

Very perceptive thoughts. I have seen almost every game since 1991. I played prior to the Art Briles era, in the 80's. We were horrible. Art changed the culture. Now, I know the Ville has a great team. As far as this year, I think Kilgore is going to bring a grown up man football team to the semis. I expect that game to be a helluva football game as it was last year (I guess I'm looking past everyone in between, no offense Springtown or Big Spring? or Kennedale/Wylie? all great programs). In the interest of full disclosure, I am not objective as I have a senior playing and a sophomore suiting up. I'm certainly not worried about anybody finding out who I am. What I will say is this.... Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, has done any more squats or dead lifts, man for man, than we have since December 15 of last year. Despite being the defending State Champions, the Ville is hungry. These kids get to the High School by 7:00 in the morning and most don't get home till 7:00 at night, August through December, while maintaining a 97.5 avg. (my personal experience). I know that's not exclusive to the Ville (not to mention the work in the summer). I know there are only a handful of programs like us. That is a testament to the coaches. We competed for the last 20 years at the highest of levels in 4A while being one of the smallest in enrollment. We very may beat you even when you have superior talent because we have drive and determination that most cannot comprehend. We have never lost a State Championship game. I wonder if there is any other program that has been there 5 times that can say that. I don't know, but I doubt it. I predict this year we make it 6-0, but I'm a confessed homer. I have a ton of respect for the teams that compete year in and year out weather they have the athletes or not. You know who you are. Winning it all is unlikely, since there are only two champions per classification. I'm proud of all the teams that are still in it and still trying to keep their season alive one more week. I'm proud of the teams that are figuring out their plans to practice on Thanksgiving day. I told my son last year before the Semis that all I ever wanted, when I was his age was to have the opportunity to play in a game of that magnitude and never got the chance. I told him to seize his opportunity. Be compassionate to those who don't make it. Encourage those that get a shot, whatever round from here on out. Recognize those that achieve.

[football8]

specifically: The Ville; Much better on Defense; Bout the same on offense, better running, not quite as good passing; bout the same on special teams as last year

[hollywood]

Very perceptive thoughts. I have seen almost every game since 1991. I played prior to the Art Briles era, in the 80's. We were horrible. Art changed the culture. Now, I know the Ville has a great team. As far as this year, I think Kilgore is going to bring a grown up man football team to the semis. I expect that game to be a helluva football game as it was last year (I guess I'm looking past everyone in between, no offense Springtown or Big Spring? or Kennedale/Wylie? all great programs). In the interest of full disclosure, I am not objective as I have a senior playing and a sophomore suiting up. I'm certainly not worried about anybody finding out who I am. What I will say is this.... Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, has done any more squats or dead lifts, man for man, than we have since December 15 of last year. Despite being the defending State Champions, the Ville is hungry. These kids get to the High School by 7:00 in the morning and most don't get home till 7:00 at night, August through December, while maintaining a 97.5 avg. (my personal experience). I know that's not exclusive to the Ville (not to mention the work in the summer). I know there are only a handful of programs like us. That is a testament to the coaches. We competed for the last 20 years at the highest of levels in 4A while being one of the smallest in enrollment. We very may beat you even when you have superior talent because we have drive and determination that most cannot comprehend. We have never lost a State Championship game. I wonder if there is any other program that has been there 5 times that can say that. I don't know, but I doubt it. I predict this year we make it 6-0, but I'm a confessed homer. I have a ton of respect for the teams that compete year in and year out weather they have the athletes or not. You know who you are. Winning it all is unlikely, since there are only two champions per classification. I'm proud of all the teams that are still in it and still trying to keep their season alive one more week. I'm proud of the teams that are figuring out their plans to practice on Thanksgiving day. I told my son last year before the Semis that all I ever wanted, when I was his age was to have the opportunity to play in a game of that magnitude and never got the chance. I told him to seize his opportunity. Be compassionate to those who don't make it. Encourage those that get a shot, whatever round from here on out. Recognize those that achieve.

Great post 8! I agree 100%. I've seen it with my own eyes what these kids/players/young men endure day after day, week after week, month after month. They want it. They work for it! They earn it!! They deserve it!!!

[2muchOffense]

What's amazing to me is how deep the Jacket Mystique runs down thru the younger kids as well. I have two boys, one in 8th and one in 3rd. The 8th grader hasn't drank a coke since he started jr high. He went to conditioning all summer and is comepletly sold on the program. Anytime we go out of town he wears Jacket apparel. He says so he can represent our greatness. If you ask the little one who his favorite football player is, he will say Alex Sanchez. He even celebrates like Tyler Jones after flag football touchdowns. It is amazing the influence this program has on the entire community. These kids don't hope they win, they know they will. As far as the big boys go, somebody might beat us this year, but it will take a monster of a team to do so.

[football8]

Before the Brownwood game, I took a shirt I bought at Barefoot, with the yellow jacket emblem on front and 8 on the back to a friend's grandson who goes to school in Killeen. /We met at Joe Allen's. It was full of people from the Ville. He came to every playoff game last year. I sat next to this young man last year at the State Championship game while he was 10. His grandfather, who I have known all my life, has been to nearly every playoff game since 1992. He played at North Texas, He coached in Killeen, and now lives in Llano and Austin. The mystique runs deeper than you think. The influence this program has runs well beyond this community.

[football8]

Great post 8! I agree 100%. I've seen it with my own eyes what these kids/players/young men endure day after day, week after week, month after month. They want it. They work for it! They earn it!! They deserve it!!!

Hollywood, you are usually right on. I appreciate your insight, although I can't say I agree with you 100% of the time (probably 97% of the time). I eat, drink and sleep Ville football. I played, to no avail. My nephew was a four year letterman not long ago during our glory years. My Sons are in the program now. 98% of the people out there just don't understand what it takes to get to the promised land. It is a very unique quality to have the ability to get there. Thank God for people like Mike Copeland and the people that expect excellece.

[football8]

Can I get and Amen?

[2muchOffense]

Amen and lets go Jackets!

[hollywood]

Can I get and Amen?

Amen!

[Aguilafanatico]

Argyle will need to play better on the corners in these playoffs to beat the likes of Gilmer, IMO. With the losses of our two LB's Sizelove and Hackney(both Srs. and All-State/All-District resp. last year) for the season, filling that void against top teams will be a huge task. Sizelove was so quick to get from sideline to sideline it made the rest of Argyle's D that much better. And his ability to read the plays correctly cannot be replaced. He only played in 52 straight games for Argyle before going out in the 9th game of this season. Had he made it all the way to a SC game this season, that would have made it 59 consecutive high school varsity games he would have played in. That's alot for anybody in 4 years....almost 15 games a year. Kinda hard to believe that kind of play, but that's the experience level he brought to the field. Fortunately, Argyle has a very strong secondary....arguably one of the best in 3A this year, if not the best. But Sizelove and Hackney are still big losses the Argyle defense will have to deal with in the playoffs. And the games are just starting. Anything can happen to any team in the playoffs.....regardless of that team's percieved strengths.

The Eagles have definitely experienced their fair share of injuries including at least 5 season enders to either starters or backups this season. In addition, they have had other key players miss games or multiple games due to injury including QB, RB, NT, and CB. Fortunately, they have not dwelled on the fact that players are not available but instead have plugged guys in and kept rolling. I am really impressed with the depth of this team but maybe even more impressed at the ability of the coaches to prepare the younger guys to contribute immediately. I agree with you Regal that we will need all hands on deck to make up for the key losses, especially as we move deeper into the playoffs but don't underestimate the depth of this team and the ability of the staff and Senior team leaders to coach guys up.

[BB BULLS]

Very perceptive thoughts. I have seen almost every game since 1991. I played prior to the Art Briles era, in the 80's. We were horrible. Art changed the culture. Now, I know the Ville has a great team. As far as this year, I think Kilgore is going to bring a grown up man football team to the semis. I expect that game to be a helluva football game as it was last year (I guess I'm looking past everyone in between, no offense Springtown or Big Spring? or Kennedale/Wylie? all great programs). In the interest of full disclosure, I am not objective as I have a senior playing and a sophomore suiting up. I'm certainly not worried about anybody finding out who I am. What I will say is this.... Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, has done any more squats or dead lifts, man for man, than we have since December 15 of last year. Despite being the defending State Champions, the Ville is hungry. These kids get to the High School by 7:00 in the morning and most don't get home till 7:00 at night, August through December, while maintaining a 97.5 avg. (my personal experience). I know that's not exclusive to the Ville (not to mention the work in the summer). I know there are only a handful of programs like us. That is a testament to the coaches. We competed for the last 20 years at the highest of levels in 4A while being one of the smallest in enrollment. We very may beat you even when you have superior talent because we have drive and determination that most cannot comprehend. We have never lost a State Championship game. I wonder if there is any other program that has been there 5 times that can say that. I don't know, but I doubt it. I predict this year we make it 6-0, but I'm a confessed homer. I have a ton of respect for the teams that compete year in and year out weather they have the athletes or not. You know who you are. Winning it all is unlikely, since there are only two champions per classification. I'm proud of all the teams that are still in it and still trying to keep their season alive one more week. I'm proud of the teams that are figuring out their plans to practice on Thanksgiving day. I told my son last year before the Semis that all I ever wanted, when I was his age was to have the opportunity to play in a game of that magnitude and never got the chance. I told him to seize his opportunity. Be compassionate to those who don't make it. Encourage those that get a shot, whatever round from here on out. Recognize those that achieve.

i think Sealy one something like five SC in row back in the day but i could be wrong.